between this and elon losing the races he spent nearly half a billion on... in texas of all places.... it was a good night for actual democracy.
hope these super pacs return on investment continues to go right down the shitter. the people are fed up with money having more influence than they do.
Btw, Elon Musk has lost over $50bn to his net worth (as people dump Tesla and SoaceX) since the election. (At one point I saw it as low as $100bn, but it’s rebounded some.)
It makes sense why he was willing to dump half a bn into these races.
The most realistic immediate-term path forward on that front is for states to pass laws that remove the power of corporations to spend money in politics. Hawaii and Montana have already done this.
Doing it at the state level like this is really the only way to get anything like it done before the 2028 elections, because there's no way a federal-level change would get past a Trump veto. (And this is obviously important, because it means we get a bunch of corporate money out of the 2028 elections)
The largest single donor for this year was Leonid Radvinsky, owner of Only Fans, who gave 11 million year;
Followed by Maga mega-donor and Las Vegas casino magnate Miriam Adelson, who give 5 million this year;
Jonathon Jacobson: Hedge fund and financial executive, listed with approximately $4.6 million in contributions.
Bernard (Bernie) Marcus: Home Depot co-founder, who has donated $3 million (along with ongoing political and institutional backing).
Daniel Sundheim: Founder of D1 Capital Partners, noted with a $2 million contribution.
Paul Singer: Hedge fund manager, who has contributed $2 million.
Haim Saban: Media mogul and prominent political donor, who has contributed $2 million.
Milton Cooper, Tony Ressler, and Jonathan Gray: Real estate and finance executives who have each given $1 million or more.
Helaine Lerner & David Zalik: Activist and GreenSky co-founder respectively, each associated with $2 million contributions
So the TL,DR: if you spend money on Only Fans or Home Depot, you're funding AIPAC.
How do they decide which Americans to send the money to? Do they make a list and vet the people on it? Is it the same people that u/LeRoienJaune listed?
Now that AIPAC has changed their name in an attempt to trick people, I think that any time AIPAC is mentioned, it should be mentioned as AIPAC/United Democracy Project (UDP), just to inform everyone.
AIPAC is not a foreign lobby PAC lmao. This is exactly what I am talking about. AIPAC is 100% staffed and funded by American citizens. You are contributing to the brainrot directly.
Everyone knows you're being purposefully obtuse here, you know exactly what they mean. This PAC exists to further the interests of a foreign country that is not very popular throughout the globe at this moment in time. Is that really hard to understand?
No, you are directly moving the goal post here. If actual foreign influence PACs are a concern for you, Israel should not be at the top of that list. There are registered foreign PACs that provide 10x the funding that AIPAC does, and you guys have absolutely nothing to say about them. Because you are entirely brain broken over Israel.
Americans citizens have a right to express support for Israel, or any other country. It is their first amendment right
Israel does not fund or staff AIPAC in any way. Qatar spends 10x what AIPAC does to lobby politicians and influence institutions, but you are completely silent about that.
People are so willing to follow a narrative they can't even look right in front of their own nose. It's insane. Thanks for trying to fight back against the zeitgeist but I'm pretty sure we're cooked.
AIPAC is entirely staffed and funded by Americans that support Israel. Nothing shady about it. This election clearly shows that they do not have the power and influence that many people claim they have.
If concentrated money distorting Congress is the actual concern, there are bigger fish than AIPAC. Fairshake, the crypto super PAC, put roughly $130 million into independent expenditures in 2024, targeted 58 races, and won 53 of them. That’s a better win rate and more outside spending than AIPAC’s super PAC, aimed at gutting financial regulation. The National Association of Realtors spent $86 million on lobbying in a single year. The health sector spent $744 million. Total federal lobbying was $4.4 billion.
And if the concern is specifically foreign influence, the FARA database is public. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE all pay registered agents to shape US policy. AIPAC isn’t on that list.
So the point stands. You should stop being brain broken over AIPAC, there are much more egregious examples of the things you take issue with.
They’re not going away lol this is just the beginning to try and keep them out. Will largely depend on if this new Congress will stop sending aid to Israel. It was never about just rhetoric or winning elections, it’s about producing outcomes that lessen their influence in legislation.
You are just proving my point. AIPAC overwhelmingly lost out in this election despite their contributions, and yet you are still wholly convinced that they have significant influence over our politics.
Nope, that’s been the goal of why these candidates were chosen in the first place. What’s brain broken is thinking you’ve done a politics just because you won an election lol
You realize you're supposed to do stuff after that too rigt?
You know literally nothing about me. The goal is to stop sending aid to Israel. You're propping up strawmen to box beyond that to feel better about how much of an asshole you're being.
There are far more egregious examples of foreign campaign contributions and you only care about AIPAC. An organization entirely staffed and funded by American citizens. An organization that does not contribute nearly the same amount as other foreign funded PACs. You are not serious people.
lmao nobody said anything about a genocide you just deflecting because you are completely unable to defend yourself.
Can you explain how Israel is committing a genocide when the population has grown since October 7th? Can you find one statement from an Israeli official where they claim that their goal is genocide? I can find plenty from Hamas and Hezbollah
Everyone already accuses of them of genocide, so why don't they just carpet bomb all of gaza and send in death squads to kill every Palestinian? They could kill every palestinian over a long weekend, so why are they providing aid in the form of food and medicine? Why did they just allow an arab majority to win the election if its an aparthied state?
Almost as if they are not conducting a genocide and never have been, you've just got brainrotted by Russian and Qatari foreign influence campaigns.
Would love to be happy about this, but.. in the end, those candidates still got that $30M, and some portion of it still came out of American’s pockets.
timshel42 | 22 hours ago
between this and elon losing the races he spent nearly half a billion on... in texas of all places.... it was a good night for actual democracy.
hope these super pacs return on investment continues to go right down the shitter. the people are fed up with money having more influence than they do.
therude00 | 17 hours ago
It's sad, all that money could have gone to making the world a better place, instead they wasted it trying to make the world worse.
rex_lauandi | 3 hours ago
Btw, Elon Musk has lost over $50bn to his net worth (as people dump Tesla and SoaceX) since the election. (At one point I saw it as low as $100bn, but it’s rebounded some.)
It makes sense why he was willing to dump half a bn into these races.
MonkeyPilot | 20 hours ago
I hope this Congress can do something to reverse Citizens United.
Ok-Entertainer-1414 | 18 hours ago
The most realistic immediate-term path forward on that front is for states to pass laws that remove the power of corporations to spend money in politics. Hawaii and Montana have already done this.
Doing it at the state level like this is really the only way to get anything like it done before the 2028 elections, because there's no way a federal-level change would get past a Trump veto. (And this is obviously important, because it means we get a bunch of corporate money out of the 2028 elections)
NudeCeleryMan | 2 hours ago
They don't have the votes or the veto pass
yadonkey | 22 hours ago
Yeah, aipac really wasted a lot of our money this election cycle
IdealBlueMan | 22 hours ago
Where does AIPAC funding come from?
LeRoienJaune | 18 hours ago
The largest single donor for this year was Leonid Radvinsky, owner of Only Fans, who gave 11 million year; Followed by Maga mega-donor and Las Vegas casino magnate Miriam Adelson, who give 5 million this year; Jonathon Jacobson: Hedge fund and financial executive, listed with approximately $4.6 million in contributions. Bernard (Bernie) Marcus: Home Depot co-founder, who has donated $3 million (along with ongoing political and institutional backing). Daniel Sundheim: Founder of D1 Capital Partners, noted with a $2 million contribution. Paul Singer: Hedge fund manager, who has contributed $2 million. Haim Saban: Media mogul and prominent political donor, who has contributed $2 million. Milton Cooper, Tony Ressler, and Jonathan Gray: Real estate and finance executives who have each given $1 million or more. Helaine Lerner & David Zalik: Activist and GreenSky co-founder respectively, each associated with $2 million contributions
So the TL,DR: if you spend money on Only Fans or Home Depot, you're funding AIPAC.
woowoo293 | 16 hours ago
Home Depot has also long been at the forefront of fighting against worker rights. One reason I've always used Lowe's or Ace.
IdealBlueMan | 18 hours ago
Thanks for the information. The person I was responding to said it’s funded by taxes, and I was trying to get clarity on that.
Sonoranpawn | 11 hours ago
Where can I get this information?
LeRoienJaune | 10 hours ago
Open Secrets, AIPAC tracker: https://www.trackaipac.com/tracker/donors
deran6ed | 7 hours ago
Does this means that only fans content creators can't say anything bad about Israel?
yadonkey | 22 hours ago
Our taxes
kateinoly | 21 hours ago
nope. It comes from donations.
IdealBlueMan | 21 hours ago
How would that work? The government funding PACs? Wouldn’t that be illegal?
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
yes, they are delusional
yadonkey | 17 hours ago
If it was direct funding sure... but funding through Americans that then donate it to the pac is pretty achievable.
IdealBlueMan | 17 hours ago
I’m trying to understand things as you see them. This is American tax money going to private individuals who then donate that money to AIPAC?
yadonkey | 17 hours ago
No, im saying our tax money goes to isreal who then takes a portion of it and funnels it to the private individuals who then donate it to aipac
IdealBlueMan | 14 hours ago
How do they decide which Americans to send the money to? Do they make a list and vet the people on it? Is it the same people that u/LeRoienJaune listed?
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
lmao you people have zero clue what you're talking about.
AIPAC is ENTIRELY staffed and funded by American citizens. Zero tax dollars go to AIPAC. Zero Israeli dollars go to AIPAC.
yadonkey | 17 hours ago
You people are nieve AF if you think Isreal isnt funneling money into aipac through those people
SpiffShientz | 16 hours ago
Well I suspect it but I try to make a habit of not believing things without proof
twoFlex404 | 17 hours ago
If it's so obvious post proof
yadonkey | 17 hours ago
Force congress to eliminate dark money super packed funding and i will
twoFlex404 | 17 hours ago
Okay, let's try a different way. What information or data did you use to come to your conclusion?
drbigtoe | 15 hours ago
You are delusional to believe that with no evidence. Makes you no better than MAGA
kateinoly | 21 hours ago
More than 80% of candidates get funding from AIPAC. It isn't a Republican vs. Democrat thing.
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
AIPAC is entirely staffed and funded by American citizens. Should our politicians not take the concerns of their constituents seriously?
kateinoly | 20 hours ago
Where did you get that from what I wrote? All I said is that AIPAC spreads their money around.
MikeOxmaul | 22 hours ago
Now that AIPAC has changed their name in an attempt to trick people, I think that any time AIPAC is mentioned, it should be mentioned as AIPAC/United Democracy Project (UDP), just to inform everyone.
sml6174 | 20 hours ago
They didn't change their name they just made another PAC
iadtyjwu | 23 hours ago
How much to those they won?
LukeBabbitt | 23 hours ago
Clicked the link, it’s $28.8mm
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
A tiny amount compared to other foreign funded PACs but who cares, hating Israel is the most important thing in American politics apparently
BoeZaah | 20 hours ago
Damn you're all over this thread defending AIPAC, you work for them?
drbigtoe | 19 hours ago
Nope just sick of the delusional brain rot
BoeZaah | 19 hours ago
Might have to look inward then bud, people being pissed about a foreign lobby PAC is not worth you getting this worked up over
drbigtoe | 19 hours ago
AIPAC is not a foreign lobby PAC lmao. This is exactly what I am talking about. AIPAC is 100% staffed and funded by American citizens. You are contributing to the brainrot directly.
BoeZaah | 19 hours ago
Everyone knows you're being purposefully obtuse here, you know exactly what they mean. This PAC exists to further the interests of a foreign country that is not very popular throughout the globe at this moment in time. Is that really hard to understand?
drbigtoe | 19 hours ago
No, you are directly moving the goal post here. If actual foreign influence PACs are a concern for you, Israel should not be at the top of that list. There are registered foreign PACs that provide 10x the funding that AIPAC does, and you guys have absolutely nothing to say about them. Because you are entirely brain broken over Israel.
Americans citizens have a right to express support for Israel, or any other country. It is their first amendment right
Israel does not fund or staff AIPAC in any way. Qatar spends 10x what AIPAC does to lobby politicians and influence institutions, but you are completely silent about that.
twoFlex404 | 17 hours ago
For the doubters, this is all public information.
People are so willing to follow a narrative they can't even look right in front of their own nose. It's insane. Thanks for trying to fight back against the zeitgeist but I'm pretty sure we're cooked.
belladonnatook | 21 hours ago
Imagine the good that money and Elon's money could have done. Horrible.
According_Smoke1385 | 22 hours ago
When anything costs that much money, I’d love to see the spreadsheet. I mean what is it spent on exactly ?
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
Advertisements and events
lopix | 16 hours ago
Ole Musky blew 10x that :)
plastiquearse | 11 hours ago
I’m dumb as fuck for having become a teacher. Could have created a campaign financed hype machine and just printed money.
Stupid
redditaccount1975 | 22 hours ago
Those were actually american taxpayer dollars sent to Isreal as "aid"
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
90% of which flows right back into the US economy
feastoffun | 20 hours ago
AIPAC uses our own tax dollars against us.
gh057 | 12 hours ago
yay the muslim beat the jews.
wait are we still in america? lol
drbigtoe | 23 hours ago
Ok cool, so now we can stop being brain broken about AIPAC influencing our elections and politicians, right?
endless_sea_of_stars | 22 hours ago
What kind of logic is this? Not every candidate they backed won so therefore we dont need to worry about shady PACs dropping millions on elections.
drbigtoe | 22 hours ago
AIPAC is entirely staffed and funded by Americans that support Israel. Nothing shady about it. This election clearly shows that they do not have the power and influence that many people claim they have.
If concentrated money distorting Congress is the actual concern, there are bigger fish than AIPAC. Fairshake, the crypto super PAC, put roughly $130 million into independent expenditures in 2024, targeted 58 races, and won 53 of them. That’s a better win rate and more outside spending than AIPAC’s super PAC, aimed at gutting financial regulation. The National Association of Realtors spent $86 million on lobbying in a single year. The health sector spent $744 million. Total federal lobbying was $4.4 billion.
And if the concern is specifically foreign influence, the FARA database is public. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE all pay registered agents to shape US policy. AIPAC isn’t on that list.
So the point stands. You should stop being brain broken over AIPAC, there are much more egregious examples of the things you take issue with.
thekruton | 22 hours ago
They’re not going away lol this is just the beginning to try and keep them out. Will largely depend on if this new Congress will stop sending aid to Israel. It was never about just rhetoric or winning elections, it’s about producing outcomes that lessen their influence in legislation.
drbigtoe | 22 hours ago
You are just proving my point. AIPAC overwhelmingly lost out in this election despite their contributions, and yet you are still wholly convinced that they have significant influence over our politics.
thekruton | 21 hours ago
One election doesn’t prove shit my guy. Come at me when we actually stop sending aid to Israel next year.
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
If we cut off all support to Israel tomorrow you would still be completely brain broken about it
thekruton | 20 hours ago
Nope, that’s been the goal of why these candidates were chosen in the first place. What’s brain broken is thinking you’ve done a politics just because you won an election lol
You realize you're supposed to do stuff after that too rigt?
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
Yes, what I am saying is that no matter what they do, it will not be good enough for you.
thekruton | 20 hours ago
You know literally nothing about me. The goal is to stop sending aid to Israel. You're propping up strawmen to box beyond that to feel better about how much of an asshole you're being.
SpinningHead | 22 hours ago
"I failed to bribe my way past the security guard this time. Cant you just take the locks off the door now?" JFC
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
There are far more egregious examples of foreign campaign contributions and you only care about AIPAC. An organization entirely staffed and funded by American citizens. An organization that does not contribute nearly the same amount as other foreign funded PACs. You are not serious people.
SpinningHead | 20 hours ago
Defend genocide harder.
drbigtoe | 20 hours ago
lmao nobody said anything about a genocide you just deflecting because you are completely unable to defend yourself.
Can you explain how Israel is committing a genocide when the population has grown since October 7th? Can you find one statement from an Israeli official where they claim that their goal is genocide? I can find plenty from Hamas and Hezbollah
Everyone already accuses of them of genocide, so why don't they just carpet bomb all of gaza and send in death squads to kill every Palestinian? They could kill every palestinian over a long weekend, so why are they providing aid in the form of food and medicine? Why did they just allow an arab majority to win the election if its an aparthied state?
Almost as if they are not conducting a genocide and never have been, you've just got brainrotted by Russian and Qatari foreign influence campaigns.
SpinningHead | 20 hours ago
"If we are committing genocide, how are their children in the camps." - Germans probably
emteedub | 20 hours ago
The only occasions where these bougie elites feed money back into the economy. It's sad. Out of greed and narcissism
sumaCamus | 20 hours ago
Would love to be happy about this, but.. in the end, those candidates still got that $30M, and some portion of it still came out of American’s pockets.
Stunning_Lychee7501 | an hour ago
Good.