Now (and in the past) it's about as much personal and ally enrichment as possible till someone pulls the plug. It's why he appointed Miller to squeeze as much evil and harm out of things as possible till someone does something about it.
If he stops tariffs it’s an admission that they were a god awful policy decision. And Trump will absolutely never signal any fault. Also without them he can’t bully other nations with constant threats of self inflicting pain. So, tariffs will not be gone until he’s gone.
This will only help the dems. The economy will continue to worsen and the dems dont have to do much to further their majority in the house and senate. Imagine how funny it would be to have a democratic supermajority in the house and senate in 2028, impeaching justices, and starting to actually recover (yes I know its a pipe dream, but im gonna gave it anyway)
Do i have faith in the american voter? Nah, we've proven time and time again that were fucking stupid as all hell. Nah, what I do have belief in is that the american voter will point the finger at whos in charge. As the economy continues to worsen, the economic outrage will be there as trump continues to do stupid thing after stupid thing to keep the cameras on him. He will continue to not act on the actual things causing inflation, and the american voter will blame the president, because hes in charge. We do it every time the economy gets bad (and only sometimes are we right).
So the economy will get worse, trump will say its not his fault, the people will blame Trump, and then vote for more democrats to go to Washington in 2028. Then the democratic president comes in, undoes everything trump did with the stroke of a pen (cause he rules via executive order and those are easy to undo), and the economy starts to fix itself. The democrats get the credit, the economy continues to recover, progress is made for 8 years, and then a republican comes back into power cause americans are stupid and keep thinking republicans will usher in a grand economy.
2028 will still be a referendum on Donald Trump. Without a supermajority in both chambers Dems can't do anything to override vetos.
The Iran debacle isn't going away. Gas prices will remain high because of it. He's raising tarrifs still. Trump doesnt seem to care even about his own bases opinion anymore
I think there is just a pathological aversion to admitting being wrong. Trump has no problem willing faults into fantasy achievements so long as he never has to accept he was wrong or defeated.
I believe it has to do with how he sees his legacy. If he keeps telling the same lies as if they are fact there will always be a group of his followers who believe him. He will never reverse position on anything except for when he can do it and claim that it was because of his victory.
If he ever changed policy as a result of outside pressure it would look weak and call into question everything else he has knowingly lied about. We like to say how much of a moron he is, but in this regard he's very savvy. He knows that if he keeps pushing the same narratives he can claim he was always right about everything and the republicans are happy to go along.
Also, as various scholars with expertise on authoritarians have warned, he may want to punish the American people for handing him such a resounding and humiliating defeat in the midterms.
A lot of it also has to do with the OBBB blowing a massive hole in the deficit and tariffs being used as a band aid over that bullet wound. Without that tariff revenue there’s a several hundred billion dollar hole in the budget and “tax cuts pay for themselves” becomes harder to sell without them.
Not just racketeering, but also an ego stroke - Trump can *never* be incorrect about anything. Nothing can be allowed to contradict Dear Leader; if it can no longer be lied around, then it must be someone else's fault... tariffs aren't taxes, inflation is record low, food is affordable again, no one has died in the wars he's started - anything to the contrary is Joe Biden's fault! Or the Chinese! Or the trans!
Trump's own staff lies to his face every single day just to avoid getting yelled at & fired. I am 100% certain of this.
Doesn't congress have a lever to pull here? I thought the only reason he's been able to enact tarrifs is because either the house or senate is abdicating its responsibility.
I mean, by all means do it. He says he’s going to veto everything, which suggests the democrats don’t own the economy over the next two years, they may get a supermajority.
He turned enough states blue another 2 years of this and democrats might have enough control to actually pass new amendments which would be mind blowing
Gym Jordan elected minority leader and more tariffs, both within a couple hours. This is excellent news in a backhanded way; these people have learned absolutely nothing from last week.
Is anyone really surprised? He immediately appointed Stephen Miller as his Chief of Staff after the election losses. I don't think he's overly concerned about public opinion at this point.
Oh, this is just the tip of the iceberg for the punishments he's gonna unleash on the entire country. Keeping Hegseth as the Secretary of War Failures and making Miller chief of staff are part of it, too.
And he’s still got one other big helper in the Make America Punished Always movement. The GOP reviewed the midterm election results and came to the same conclusion: Let’s learn fuckall from this experience and elect Jim Jordan, noted trump sycophant and asshole licker with his own checkered history of involvement in sexual abuse, as the minority speaker! America is still totally pro-MAGA and we want to continue to be a co-equal branch of government while giving away as much of our power as we can to the corrupt criminal executive and supreme court. That’s what you do when you are serious about winning in 2028 – Lick trump’s asshole louder, deeper and longer than ever before and help him punish the shit out of all our constituents. Smartest tactical congressional decision ever!
Honestly to me it shows they did learn the lesson that the American people are fed up with them and Trump is the underlying issue. They just do not give a fuck what the American people want. Because they’ve not cared about the American people in decades. The American people don’t pay the bills, Elon Musk and the other billionaires willing to pay to play are.
Which is why they are choosing to double down and put a Trump loyalist in place to protect their real base from the desires of the American people. It’s pretty apparent in the fact that majority of those that were “a threat to America”, did not collect PAC money and were funded with small donations.
What they really mean’t is that these representatives are a threat to the establishment and the status quo of pay to play politics. It’s up to the remaining conservatives supporters to decide if they want to hand over their vote to special interests each election. I’m don’t coddling them and begging for reason to take over.
Serial abusers do this, they're not going to go away after you say no ,they're going to double down on burning down your house and threatening you because what do you have left to lose?
The American society becoming a consumerist society created the conditions for a trade deficit to develop and grow. The quest for cheaper goods shifted American manufacturing overseas. To make matters worse the EEC created free trade amongst themselves while applying tariffs to US manufactured goods.
The results are what we are seeing today. Are reciprocal tariffs the solution? If not what is the solution?
Good. Keep going. Make sure the repubes don't only lose one election but never win an election ever again. It was a devils pact to use maga and trump to get whatever you want and now the payment will come due.
Pass legislation. Congress can take ownership….but they won’t. Co greed would rather point fingers, grift, and push all execution on to the executive branch.
Short term, tariffs add some cost. The New York Fed puts it at about 26% of the tariff getting passed on to shoppers. But the point was never cheaper stuff next month. It's about bringing manufacturing back and not depending on China for things we need, like medicine, chips and steel. COVID showed what happens when the supply chain runs through one country. And right now the bigger price driver is fuel from the Iran war, not tariffs. Gas jumped 9.1% in September. Repealing tariffs wouldn't touch that.
Didn’t want to talk in absolutes but yeah, the build back is minimal if at all existent. Honda is opening a new plant in Ohio, but that’s not going to move the needle very far.
No, and why would it? Manufacturing in the US would have to have a substantial financial edge over current outsourced manufacturing, which started its migration from the US starting in the 1970s. To come back would require massive investments in infrastructure which would take years to build out. No company is currently willing to do that.
Tariffs have proven to be an antiquated, and not particularly effective, tool in protectionism. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back to the US unless labor is basically free. This comment tastes like Kool Aid.
Fair question. It's starting to, slowly. Factories added 19,000 jobs in October and over 100,000 since the low point last December, mostly in electronics, machinery and metals. A lot of it is companies expanding or converting plants they already have, like John Deere moving excavator production from Japan into its North Carolina site. To be fair, factory jobs are still a bit below January 2025, so it's early.
My view is that tariffs work best when they're targeted. On China and things like chips, steel and medicine, it's about security, not price. On allies like Canada, they're leverage for a better deal, and they should come off once we get one. Blanket tariffs on everyone forever would be a mistake.
All those manufacturing jobs that are currently being onshored in the US sure do exist and will definitely provide higher PPP to American, right? RIGHT?
The same people who opened the doors to make a quick buck by exporting labor to poorer countries, now want to close the doors because of market dominance due to other forces.
Tariffs never have been proven to bring back manufacturing jobs in any country that has tried it. See Europe and every example of American tariffs have not brought manufacturing back. That is a terrible argument to make considering all evidence points to the contrary.
You’re talking out of your ass, if they wanted to bring manufacturing back they would have passed incentives, subsidies, etc. ie primed the pump to make it happen. But they didn’t. Tariffs are just a regressive consumption tax where they want to offload taxes on the rich and place that burden on the middle and lower class.
Manufacturing needs a lot of capital expense. If you want to bring it back, you need massive government spending and incentives, and some tariffs to protect the industry. But companies aren’t going to spend so much money to build infrastructure (which anyway takes a long time) and they’re not even sure how long tariffs are going to stay. So, it gets passed on to consumers in two forms—-price hikes which is visible and measured and quantity reduction which is typically not tracked that well.
And all of this is making the US a protectionist economy and we know how terribly that had worked for countries before.
Manufacturing has had a steep decline since Trump came to office. That’s because supply chains are global and even the manufacturers in America are importing parts and sub assemblies. Steel tariffs mean that even those who were making their own steel parts have higher costs. Finally the constant back and forth actions followed by chickening out removed any potential legal and trade reliability to make investments.
big-papito | an hour ago
At this point I think I am impressed. The desire to double down on things that are clearly hurting the voters is remarkable.
And why? Because it's not about the tariffs, it's about running America like a Trump business - a racketeering operation on the global scale.
The-Magic-Sword | an hour ago
i mean, at this point, what is he going to do? he can't lose midterms any harder, he already did that.
thediesel26 | an hour ago
It can always get worse.
ambal87 | an hour ago
For us. Clearly there are no consequences ever for him. 80+ years of being an asshole and no consequences.
attorneyatslaw | an hour ago
He could help the Democrats gather the remaining votes they need to convict in an impeachment.
Coffeedemon | 58 minutes ago
Now (and in the past) it's about as much personal and ally enrichment as possible till someone pulls the plug. It's why he appointed Miller to squeeze as much evil and harm out of things as possible till someone does something about it.
Consistent_Laziness | an hour ago
If he stops tariffs it’s an admission that they were a god awful policy decision. And Trump will absolutely never signal any fault. Also without them he can’t bully other nations with constant threats of self inflicting pain. So, tariffs will not be gone until he’s gone.
volanger | 59 minutes ago
This will only help the dems. The economy will continue to worsen and the dems dont have to do much to further their majority in the house and senate. Imagine how funny it would be to have a democratic supermajority in the house and senate in 2028, impeaching justices, and starting to actually recover (yes I know its a pipe dream, but im gonna gave it anyway)
big-papito | 57 minutes ago
Do you have the faith that the American voter will connect the dots? "We voted for you and the prices are still high - let's try True Maga".
The hope is that the voters do see this as a check on the Trump regime with the regime not getting the message.
volanger | 50 minutes ago
Do i have faith in the american voter? Nah, we've proven time and time again that were fucking stupid as all hell. Nah, what I do have belief in is that the american voter will point the finger at whos in charge. As the economy continues to worsen, the economic outrage will be there as trump continues to do stupid thing after stupid thing to keep the cameras on him. He will continue to not act on the actual things causing inflation, and the american voter will blame the president, because hes in charge. We do it every time the economy gets bad (and only sometimes are we right).
So the economy will get worse, trump will say its not his fault, the people will blame Trump, and then vote for more democrats to go to Washington in 2028. Then the democratic president comes in, undoes everything trump did with the stroke of a pen (cause he rules via executive order and those are easy to undo), and the economy starts to fix itself. The democrats get the credit, the economy continues to recover, progress is made for 8 years, and then a republican comes back into power cause americans are stupid and keep thinking republicans will usher in a grand economy.
scrandlle | 38 minutes ago
2028 will still be a referendum on Donald Trump. Without a supermajority in both chambers Dems can't do anything to override vetos.
The Iran debacle isn't going away. Gas prices will remain high because of it. He's raising tarrifs still. Trump doesnt seem to care even about his own bases opinion anymore
thediesel26 | an hour ago
Let them dig their graves and give dems the presidency, 60+ Senate seats, and 270 House seats
seldom_r | 58 minutes ago
I think there is just a pathological aversion to admitting being wrong. Trump has no problem willing faults into fantasy achievements so long as he never has to accept he was wrong or defeated.
I believe it has to do with how he sees his legacy. If he keeps telling the same lies as if they are fact there will always be a group of his followers who believe him. He will never reverse position on anything except for when he can do it and claim that it was because of his victory.
If he ever changed policy as a result of outside pressure it would look weak and call into question everything else he has knowingly lied about. We like to say how much of a moron he is, but in this regard he's very savvy. He knows that if he keeps pushing the same narratives he can claim he was always right about everything and the republicans are happy to go along.
obi_want_pastrami | an hour ago
Won't anyone think about the record profits and refunds given to the corporations.
serpentjaguar | 49 minutes ago
Also, as various scholars with expertise on authoritarians have warned, he may want to punish the American people for handing him such a resounding and humiliating defeat in the midterms.
RevolutionNo4186 | 59 minutes ago
And people are still gung-ho about how MAGA is saving America and the other side is to blame for everything
robroy207 | 58 minutes ago
He’s been getting away with it for decades.
Knerd5 | 53 minutes ago
A lot of it also has to do with the OBBB blowing a massive hole in the deficit and tariffs being used as a band aid over that bullet wound. Without that tariff revenue there’s a several hundred billion dollar hole in the budget and “tax cuts pay for themselves” becomes harder to sell without them.
DriveByTheStars | 46 minutes ago
At this point, they’re out of ideas and desperate. They’re just going to go for broke and hope it pans out in the end.
ActualSpiders | 45 minutes ago
Not just racketeering, but also an ego stroke - Trump can *never* be incorrect about anything. Nothing can be allowed to contradict Dear Leader; if it can no longer be lied around, then it must be someone else's fault... tariffs aren't taxes, inflation is record low, food is affordable again, no one has died in the wars he's started - anything to the contrary is Joe Biden's fault! Or the Chinese! Or the trans!
Trump's own staff lies to his face every single day just to avoid getting yelled at & fired. I am 100% certain of this.
Miserable-Half-436 | 41 minutes ago
Isn't this tariff thing mostly Steven millers idea?
HawkDriver | 34 minutes ago
The art of the steal.
Gipetto | 34 minutes ago
Doesn't congress have a lever to pull here? I thought the only reason he's been able to enact tarrifs is because either the house or senate is abdicating its responsibility.
AstralElement | an hour ago
I mean, by all means do it. He says he’s going to veto everything, which suggests the democrats don’t own the economy over the next two years, they may get a supermajority.
dfsw | an hour ago
He turned enough states blue another 2 years of this and democrats might have enough control to actually pass new amendments which would be mind blowing
ChuckEChan | 58 minutes ago
From your fingertips to God's ears
slugamo | an hour ago
He doesn’t care. Won’t be his problem
IbanezUniverse90 | 55 minutes ago
Gym Jordan elected minority leader and more tariffs, both within a couple hours. This is excellent news in a backhanded way; these people have learned absolutely nothing from last week.
kank84 | an hour ago
Is anyone really surprised? He immediately appointed Stephen Miller as his Chief of Staff after the election losses. I don't think he's overly concerned about public opinion at this point.
johnnybna | an hour ago
Oh, this is just the tip of the iceberg for the punishments he's gonna unleash on the entire country. Keeping Hegseth as the Secretary of War Failures and making Miller chief of staff are part of it, too.
And he’s still got one other big helper in the Make America Punished Always movement. The GOP reviewed the midterm election results and came to the same conclusion: Let’s learn fuckall from this experience and elect Jim Jordan, noted trump sycophant and asshole licker with his own checkered history of involvement in sexual abuse, as the minority speaker! America is still totally pro-MAGA and we want to continue to be a co-equal branch of government while giving away as much of our power as we can to the corrupt criminal executive and supreme court. That’s what you do when you are serious about winning in 2028 – Lick trump’s asshole louder, deeper and longer than ever before and help him punish the shit out of all our constituents. Smartest tactical congressional decision ever!
McCool303 | 44 minutes ago
Honestly to me it shows they did learn the lesson that the American people are fed up with them and Trump is the underlying issue. They just do not give a fuck what the American people want. Because they’ve not cared about the American people in decades. The American people don’t pay the bills, Elon Musk and the other billionaires willing to pay to play are.
Which is why they are choosing to double down and put a Trump loyalist in place to protect their real base from the desires of the American people. It’s pretty apparent in the fact that majority of those that were “a threat to America”, did not collect PAC money and were funded with small donations.
What they really mean’t is that these representatives are a threat to the establishment and the status quo of pay to play politics. It’s up to the remaining conservatives supporters to decide if they want to hand over their vote to special interests each election. I’m don’t coddling them and begging for reason to take over.
johnnybna | 37 minutes ago
Excellent point
PolloConTeriyaki | an hour ago
Serial abusers do this, they're not going to go away after you say no ,they're going to double down on burning down your house and threatening you because what do you have left to lose?
LogicGate1010 | 44 minutes ago
The American society becoming a consumerist society created the conditions for a trade deficit to develop and grow. The quest for cheaper goods shifted American manufacturing overseas. To make matters worse the EEC created free trade amongst themselves while applying tariffs to US manufactured goods.
The results are what we are seeing today. Are reciprocal tariffs the solution? If not what is the solution?
TheKrakIan | an hour ago
So just gonna fuck of their chances in 2028, too.
Sounds about right.
So just gonna fuck of their chances in 2028, too.
Sounds about right.
So just gonna fuck of their chances in 2028, too.
Sounds about right.
WaterChicken007 | an hour ago
Bad bot
TheKrakIan | an hour ago
Not a bot, just copy pasta so my comment isn't removed.
WaterChicken007 | 50 minutes ago
The short comment rule on this sub is stupid. Especially since it is so easy to bypass and is very common. I had forgotten I was in this sub.
The short comment rule on this sub is stupid. Especially since it is so easy to bypass and is very common. I had forgotten I was in this sub.
The short comment rule on this sub is stupid. Especially since it is so easy to bypass and is very common. I had forgotten I was in this sub.
RichardStrauss123 | 41 minutes ago
Trump is offering to reduce or eliminate tariffs on any country that buys a sufficient amount of his meme coin.
He reserves his strongest hatred for countries that refuse his corrupt bargain.
BotherEconomy4413 | 39 minutes ago
Good. Keep going. Make sure the repubes don't only lose one election but never win an election ever again. It was a devils pact to use maga and trump to get whatever you want and now the payment will come due.
tyl3rbigt | 15 minutes ago
Of course this way Trump and the rest of the Republican party can just blame rising costs on Democrats and his cult will gobble it up as fact.
Famous_Owl_840 | 39 minutes ago
Well, if the democrats don’t like it then govern.
Pass legislation. Congress can take ownership….but they won’t. Co greed would rather point fingers, grift, and push all execution on to the executive branch.
HarpoMarks | an hour ago
Short term, tariffs add some cost. The New York Fed puts it at about 26% of the tariff getting passed on to shoppers. But the point was never cheaper stuff next month. It's about bringing manufacturing back and not depending on China for things we need, like medicine, chips and steel. COVID showed what happens when the supply chain runs through one country. And right now the bigger price driver is fuel from the Iran war, not tariffs. Gas jumped 9.1% in September. Repealing tariffs wouldn't touch that.
khearan | an hour ago
I am not an economist. Has manufacturing started to come back?
Late_Stage_Exception | an hour ago
No not really.
Snoo93833 | an hour ago
Not at all
Late_Stage_Exception | an hour ago
Didn’t want to talk in absolutes but yeah, the build back is minimal if at all existent. Honda is opening a new plant in Ohio, but that’s not going to move the needle very far.
AnyTower224 | an hour ago
Lowest manufacturing numbers in the last 50 years
khearan | an hour ago
Okay that’s what I thought
milfordcubicle | an hour ago
No, and why would it? Manufacturing in the US would have to have a substantial financial edge over current outsourced manufacturing, which started its migration from the US starting in the 1970s. To come back would require massive investments in infrastructure which would take years to build out. No company is currently willing to do that.
Tariffs have proven to be an antiquated, and not particularly effective, tool in protectionism. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back to the US unless labor is basically free. This comment tastes like Kool Aid.
khearan | 53 minutes ago
I hope you’re not saying my clarifying question was “drinking the kool aid.”
milfordcubicle | 48 minutes ago
Sorry, no, the prior comment!
khearan | 34 minutes ago
Oh yeah, I initially thought so too.
HarpoMarks | an hour ago
Fair question. It's starting to, slowly. Factories added 19,000 jobs in October and over 100,000 since the low point last December, mostly in electronics, machinery and metals. A lot of it is companies expanding or converting plants they already have, like John Deere moving excavator production from Japan into its North Carolina site. To be fair, factory jobs are still a bit below January 2025, so it's early.
My view is that tariffs work best when they're targeted. On China and things like chips, steel and medicine, it's about security, not price. On allies like Canada, they're leverage for a better deal, and they should come off once we get one. Blanket tariffs on everyone forever would be a mistake.
khearan | an hour ago
But blanket tariffs on everyone forever seems to be exactly the what the plan is
hopefuldonkeykick | an hour ago
All those manufacturing jobs that are currently being onshored in the US sure do exist and will definitely provide higher PPP to American, right? RIGHT?
bezkyl | an hour ago
lol, you are out of touch with reality.
badluser | an hour ago
The same people who opened the doors to make a quick buck by exporting labor to poorer countries, now want to close the doors because of market dominance due to other forces.
Darkpriest667 | an hour ago
Tariffs never have been proven to bring back manufacturing jobs in any country that has tried it. See Europe and every example of American tariffs have not brought manufacturing back. That is a terrible argument to make considering all evidence points to the contrary.
InevitableAd2436 | an hour ago
The section 232 steel tarrifs were a complete failure
AdminOnBreak | 41 minutes ago
You’re talking out of your ass, if they wanted to bring manufacturing back they would have passed incentives, subsidies, etc. ie primed the pump to make it happen. But they didn’t. Tariffs are just a regressive consumption tax where they want to offload taxes on the rich and place that burden on the middle and lower class.
Randomdumpling | an hour ago
Manufacturing needs a lot of capital expense. If you want to bring it back, you need massive government spending and incentives, and some tariffs to protect the industry. But companies aren’t going to spend so much money to build infrastructure (which anyway takes a long time) and they’re not even sure how long tariffs are going to stay. So, it gets passed on to consumers in two forms—-price hikes which is visible and measured and quantity reduction which is typically not tracked that well.
And all of this is making the US a protectionist economy and we know how terribly that had worked for countries before.
yabn5 | an hour ago
Manufacturing has had a steep decline since Trump came to office. That’s because supply chains are global and even the manufacturers in America are importing parts and sub assemblies. Steel tariffs mean that even those who were making their own steel parts have higher costs. Finally the constant back and forth actions followed by chickening out removed any potential legal and trade reliability to make investments.
In short: short term pain and long term pain.