That unproven figure is implausible. It would make the protests in Iran about as deadly as the first day on the Somme, or the Nagasaki nuclear bomb. It would be deadlier than the death camps of the Third Reich at their peak.
If 30k were shot dead during protests over two days, it would mean there must be like 200k plus Iranians currently recovering from gunshot wounds, since for everyone shot dead there should be many shot non-fatally.
There's no doubt many died, but there really isn't any evidence for these "estimates" of 30k+ in 48 hours. The outlets pushing this claim are pretty much all groups set up with thr explicit aim of opposing the Islamic Republic.4
It's not really that implausible numerically. There are 93M people in Iran; supposedly there were 5M people protesting on Jan 9 (~4-5% of the population). A death toll of 30K means about that roughly 0.6% (or 1 in 166) of the protesters died. As a percentage, this is lower than the percent of COVID cases who died.
The Somme and the Nagasaki nuclear bomb are just not very deadly as battles go. The Battle of Stalingrad featured close to 2M people dead, the Holocaust as a whole was 6M. Gettysburg at 50K+ was bigger, and bigger than the claimed Iranian death toll, and that was 150 years earlier and in a much smaller geographic location.
[Edit: And there is a decent chance you are an Iranian AI bot, with a hidden post history, dust in your trophy case, and an inordinate amount of karma for a 6-month old Redditor, so consider myself and your 20 upvotes trolled.]
"As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME—indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. "
Do you have a source to substantiate your claim that it's fabricated propaganda...?
Ha, even Israel failed to kill 30k Palestinians during their recent genocide and they dripped hundreds of tons of bombs. Are you really that credulous that you'll continue to repeat discredited western propaganda?
The burden of proof is on the claim, not the refutation of its evidence. Frankly, I’ve never even seen a source in an article that made the claim except statements by the us and Israel. Is there actually any evidence you can point yo for the 30k number?
Edit: I had never tried digging into it myself, and there seems to be a massive swing in the numbers from various sources. Not sure how a German-Iranian eye doctor is getting a 5x higher count than human rights groups in the country. Does nobody actually have the data to provide? All the sources are secondary that I can find
I mean if you’re upset we can’t get an accurate number you should be upset at the regime who now for months has had a total internet blackout to try to hide the truth.
Do you have any idea how unlikely it was that 30 fucking thousand people were murdered over the course of like two days allegedly? The number itself comes from an article where an Iranian doctor in Germany reports what she has gathered based on testimonies and anecdotes from doctors in Iran. But it’s not a real number, we have two numbers, one from the IRI government and one from HRWNA. 3 thousand and 7 thousand respectively.
But seriously how the fuck do you think logistically they killed 30 thousand people? Donald Trump claimed they did it with 4 snipers. Donald Trump 3 weeks ago claimed Iran had murdered 55,000 protestors, now it’s 42,000. This made up number which has been reported as high as 80,000 on Fox News was the very minimal effort that Trump has tried to push in order to manufacture consent for this war. But sure, you can believe that in less than a week the Iranian government killed half as many civilians as Israel did in 2 years.
Submission statement: The Iranian opposition is divided between supporters of Reza Pahlavi, the son of Iran’s last shah, and his critics. Pahlavi’s alignment with Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu, along with his advisers’ aggressive tactics, have alienated potential supporters. The murder of Masood Masjoody, a vocal critic of Pahlavi, has intensified this rift, highlighting the contradiction between Pahlavi’s democratic aspirations and the authoritarian tendencies of his movement.
The Shah, his family and Savak were brutal and corrupt Nazi enthusiasts. Persia was officially renamed Iran in 1935 by Reza Shah Pahlavi to restore the country’s indigenous name and reclaim its ancient heritage. While foreign nations used "Persia" (derived from the Greek Persis), the inhabitants had long used "Iran," meaning "Land of the Aryans"
Renaming Persia to Iran in 1935 was in part, a sign of fascist leanings, and a nationalist decision to modernize, unify the state, and align with Nazi Germany's "Aryan" ideology for geopolitical advantage.
If only there was this much zeal in criticising the regime that’s causing actual human rights abuses in their inhuman occupation of Iran as there is in criticising their opposition.
Nonsense article spreading islamic regime talking points purely to delegitimise calls for their removal by wrongly conflating secularists and national liberationists as being just as evil as them.
Did you perhaps not read/listen to the last 50 years of American vitriol against the IRI? When was the last time a long-form piece critical of king junior was posted here?
Menethea | 16 hours ago
I am old enough to remember how detested the shah (and his absolutely brutal secret police, the SAVAK) was in the 60s and 70s
eiserneftaujourdhui | 13 hours ago
Did they ever kill 30,000 civilian protesters in just 2 days like the Islamic Republic literally just did in January 8 and 9, 2026?
I thoroughly oppose Trumps illegal war that he lied the USA into, but let's not pretend the Islamic Republic is any better than the Shah's government.
4g-identity | 10 hours ago
That unproven figure is implausible. It would make the protests in Iran about as deadly as the first day on the Somme, or the Nagasaki nuclear bomb. It would be deadlier than the death camps of the Third Reich at their peak.
If 30k were shot dead during protests over two days, it would mean there must be like 200k plus Iranians currently recovering from gunshot wounds, since for everyone shot dead there should be many shot non-fatally.
There's no doubt many died, but there really isn't any evidence for these "estimates" of 30k+ in 48 hours. The outlets pushing this claim are pretty much all groups set up with thr explicit aim of opposing the Islamic Republic.4
nostrademons | 14 minutes ago
It's not really that implausible numerically. There are 93M people in Iran; supposedly there were 5M people protesting on Jan 9 (~4-5% of the population). A death toll of 30K means about that roughly 0.6% (or 1 in 166) of the protesters died. As a percentage, this is lower than the percent of COVID cases who died.
The Somme and the Nagasaki nuclear bomb are just not very deadly as battles go. The Battle of Stalingrad featured close to 2M people dead, the Holocaust as a whole was 6M. Gettysburg at 50K+ was bigger, and bigger than the claimed Iranian death toll, and that was 150 years earlier and in a much smaller geographic location.
[Edit: And there is a decent chance you are an Iranian AI bot, with a hidden post history, dust in your trophy case, and an inordinate amount of karma for a 6-month old Redditor, so consider myself and your 20 upvotes trolled.]
Foryourconsideration | an hour ago
Can’t wait when Iran is free so people like you will see the truth spit on your face. Go suck hitler’s cock you anti semite fuck
Menethea | 13 hours ago
I was commenting on the shah, and he was truly hated. As for your 30,000 figure, if you trust/believe certain Western sources, it was 48,000.
eiserneftaujourdhui | 12 hours ago
"I was commenting on the shah, and he was truly hated."
I'm aware. Again my point is that the Islamic Republic seems to be even worse.
"As for your 30,000 figure, if you trust/believe certain Western sources, it was 48,000."
I was being conservative by citing Iran's own Ministry of Health number. Though yes, the truth could be higher which also lends to my point above.
HippityHoppityBoop | 12 hours ago
No they don’t. Thats literally fabricated propaganda
eiserneftaujourdhui | 10 hours ago
Here's a source and a quote to substantiate the claim. https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/
"As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME—indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. "
Do you have a source to substantiate your claim that it's fabricated propaganda...?
Regit_Jo | 9 hours ago
Considering these sources aren’t named or cited and contradict two other figures, than no.
Zipz | 7 hours ago
Ya I wonder why they cannot be named….
Regit_Jo | 6 hours ago
I mean no way that it’s propaganda, the western media has never lied about a country in the Middle East in order to justify a war.
Zipz | 6 hours ago
So do you honestly think that those people who talked to time magazine would not be killed by the regime if identified?
HippityHoppityBoop | 9 hours ago
That’s literally the source of the fabricated propaganda 🤦♂️
HormuzVengeance | 5 hours ago
Yeah he really wasn’t.
Zank_Frappa | 12 hours ago
Ha, even Israel failed to kill 30k Palestinians during their recent genocide and they dripped hundreds of tons of bombs. Are you really that credulous that you'll continue to repeat discredited western propaganda?
eiserneftaujourdhui | 10 hours ago
What do you think is the most accurate number and what is the source?
"you'll continue to repeat discredited western propaganda?"
Where was this 'discredited'? I'm happy to learn!
definitly_not_a_bear | 9 hours ago
The burden of proof is on the claim, not the refutation of its evidence. Frankly, I’ve never even seen a source in an article that made the claim except statements by the us and Israel. Is there actually any evidence you can point yo for the 30k number?
Edit: I had never tried digging into it myself, and there seems to be a massive swing in the numbers from various sources. Not sure how a German-Iranian eye doctor is getting a 5x higher count than human rights groups in the country. Does nobody actually have the data to provide? All the sources are secondary that I can find
Anxious_Katz | 12 hours ago
Wasn't it 45,000? Or was it 50,000? I can't keep up. Everyday the number is different.
eiserneftaujourdhui | 10 hours ago
What do you think is the most accurate number and what is the source?
mephibosheth90 | 6 hours ago
The highest number possible. I read in an israeli source it was 300k.
Zipz | 7 hours ago
I mean if you’re upset we can’t get an accurate number you should be upset at the regime who now for months has had a total internet blackout to try to hide the truth.
mephibosheth90 | 6 hours ago
The media black out is to contain western influence as much as anything else. Remember the 70's, the cia owned 3/4 of all news outlets in Tehran.
Zipz | 6 hours ago
Ahhh yes total media blackout right after they massacred thousands of their own civilians…..
Ya it was totally to hide American influence not to hide their crimes
Regit_Jo | 9 hours ago
Do you have any idea how unlikely it was that 30 fucking thousand people were murdered over the course of like two days allegedly? The number itself comes from an article where an Iranian doctor in Germany reports what she has gathered based on testimonies and anecdotes from doctors in Iran. But it’s not a real number, we have two numbers, one from the IRI government and one from HRWNA. 3 thousand and 7 thousand respectively.
But seriously how the fuck do you think logistically they killed 30 thousand people? Donald Trump claimed they did it with 4 snipers. Donald Trump 3 weeks ago claimed Iran had murdered 55,000 protestors, now it’s 42,000. This made up number which has been reported as high as 80,000 on Fox News was the very minimal effort that Trump has tried to push in order to manufacture consent for this war. But sure, you can believe that in less than a week the Iranian government killed half as many civilians as Israel did in 2 years.
Zipz | 7 hours ago
I got to ask why you are repeating the regimes number ?
What makes their number trustworthy?
mephibosheth90 | 6 hours ago
Who paid you to post this.
[OP] UnscheduledCalendar | 17 hours ago
Submission statement: The Iranian opposition is divided between supporters of Reza Pahlavi, the son of Iran’s last shah, and his critics. Pahlavi’s alignment with Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu, along with his advisers’ aggressive tactics, have alienated potential supporters. The murder of Masood Masjoody, a vocal critic of Pahlavi, has intensified this rift, highlighting the contradiction between Pahlavi’s democratic aspirations and the authoritarian tendencies of his movement.
Paywall: https://archive.ph/1sOnT
Jumpy_Childhood7548 | 15 hours ago
The Shah, his family and Savak were brutal and corrupt Nazi enthusiasts. Persia was officially renamed Iran in 1935 by Reza Shah Pahlavi to restore the country’s indigenous name and reclaim its ancient heritage. While foreign nations used "Persia" (derived from the Greek Persis), the inhabitants had long used "Iran," meaning "Land of the Aryans"
Renaming Persia to Iran in 1935 was in part, a sign of fascist leanings, and a nationalist decision to modernize, unify the state, and align with Nazi Germany's "Aryan" ideology for geopolitical advantage.
CurrentSkill7766 | 12 hours ago
He is a dick.
MugiwarraD | 16 hours ago
ppl need real democracy. we just need total reboot of iranian gov.
HormuzVengeance | 5 hours ago
If only there was this much zeal in criticising the regime that’s causing actual human rights abuses in their inhuman occupation of Iran as there is in criticising their opposition.
Nonsense article spreading islamic regime talking points purely to delegitimise calls for their removal by wrongly conflating secularists and national liberationists as being just as evil as them.
serioussham | 3 hours ago
Did you perhaps not read/listen to the last 50 years of American vitriol against the IRI? When was the last time a long-form piece critical of king junior was posted here?
Foryourconsideration | 2 hours ago
It's all part of their anti western propoganda. This explains it beautifully
HormuzVengeance | an hour ago
Absolutely. It’s always worth calling this out.