This variant, BA.3.2, hasn’t had a similar mutating strain spreading around the US since Jan 2024. It’s the first since then to have a similar mutation that evades immune detection and vaccines wont likely have their usual effectiveness. It is different, the article and linked journal inside the article explain how.
I do because I work in a high risk environment and I don’t want long covid brain fog, chronic fatigue, and whatever else. Symptoms like that could end up causing me to lose my job. I need to stay sharp to do well at work. I live in a HCoL city, and if I had to take a less cognitively demanding gig would struggle to stay housed here.
I'm absolutely pro vaccine and worked in healthcare throughout the pandemic. I would still encourage people to get it if available to them, less of my patients died after vaccination and generally did better during the infections, but I feel the need to make it clear that it is not a magic bullet against long covid. It might reduce the risk but some of us still develop it despite vaccination.
I had covid in 23. It wasn't terrible in the short term, but I definitely wouldn't recommend trying it. The congestion lasted about 7 days & I had a fever and bad fatigue for 4 of them. It was another 2 weeks before I actually felt better & I still got sinus headaches off and on for another 3 or 4 months.
My vaccine was current at that time.
After the government stopped making healthcare accessible with regard to COVID vaccinations I'd expect that the herd immunity shattered. They became out of reach for the poor.
This has been a particularly bad “flu” season… but I suspect it’s really a flu/covid season as people I know have been down and out several times this past Fall and Winter.
It no longer does the kind of damage to the lungs that we saw with the Alpha and Beta variants. If you develop complications like pneumonia you certainly can have that happen, but that's the same story with the flu and others.
Brain damage is not clear. I've not heard of anything like that with COVID again--since Alpha/Beta.
The main risk with this, assuming you're not very young or very old and at risk of aforementioned complications, is the threat of long COVID. And we still don't fully understand it, so there's that.
But the days of mass scale lung scarring and stuff are behind us it seems. To become more contagious a disease must become weaker. Typical pathogenesis. This is no exception. But that doesn't mean it's to be taken lightly, before anyone says anything to that.
That’s true, but that’s not “cumulative damage” from multiple infections like this person is claiming, that just kinda happens with measles. And you can’t get measles twice except in very extreme circumstances.
I had COVID 4 or 5 times, I forget now. Fully immunized as soon as it was available and got paxlovid quickly each time.
Each time it affected me differently, but I was never hospitalized. One of them I got really stupid, like not being able to come up with the names of common objects, and I realized after all my bouts that I can't read a book, especially for fun, and retain it the same way anymore, and I used to be a speed reader. I forget what I just read. Learning takes longer, different methods, and more effort. I don't see things in my mind anymore, it's all just grey when I used to have vivid visualization. I'm still good at troubleshooting and association of stuff I knew before but it's harder for me to integrate new knowledge or to articulate some old knowledge. I have to go through instructions carefully and more slowly and repeatedly to stand a chance.
I also believe my lung capacity or efficiency is decreased, I get out of breath much faster and easier.
I was just going to reply with pretty much the same thing. I know I’m a bit older than when it first hit but I know I’m not the same anymore. Got hit 2 times with it so far and it’s changed my lungs. My memory as well went into decline, too big and too rapid to call it “getting older”. I don’t care what the professionals say, I know my body well & I know covid caused some serious damage to it. 😕
Forever, its not a flu strain or chickenpox where you get likely lifelong immunity. Some viruses do that, some don't. Most common cold viruses don't let you become immune, but generally their evolutionary pressure sheds lethality for infection rate.
That one COVID was so bad because it jumped from bats to humans so successfully and at high infection rate, but carried with it abnormally high lethality for a COVID strain.
It's not uncommon for a strain that just crossed over to a new species to have higher lethality, but it is uncommon for it to be that infectious that fast.
Whatever flu I just had sure felt like Covid despite testing negative twice. Lost me sense of smell, got congested and then had a deep barking cough, sweating constantly but no fever, started to feel better and then got mush worse, body aches, headaches, and two weeks of missed work. I’m still using an inhaler and catching my breath if i overexert myself. (And I’m vaccinated and boosted every October for Covid and Flu)
Well its not a well known fact but its real, you can google about vaccine shedding. Even covid vaccines shed but i didn't find any papers on it... guess they hiding this info like how they hide the fact that people who died from the covid vaccines were put in unvaccinated category hence it looks like covid vaccine "lowers all cause mortality" which is not possible
I hear you i was at the park the other day watching some "birds" charge up on the power lines and I could see an aura on this woman from a mile away - recent measles vaccine shedding.
Yeah! I never wear a seatbelts and I haven't died in a car accident. Facts! I don't buy fire insurance for my home, and it's never burnt down! Winning! I'm fat and I don't eat healthy food, and I'm still alive! Just can't argue with my logic!
8 billion at least. The useful idiot has done Putins bidding and destroyed the US from within and done Israel’s bidding to start a war with Iran. Never before has this country seen such a tremendous idiot
Dude their aiming for 200. We apparently obliterated their army, navy, power, oil, country, school girls and everything possible. Why the fuck are WE the ones sending troops to die and taking money that we have never so desperately needed thats OURS, for THEIR fucking war?
I’m really wondering if that’s what smack the fuck outta me these past two weeks. Still recovering, barely have my appetite back and naps are a constant everyday. I was told it was Flu A, but I doubt the VA Hospital has the proper information
Yeah that means a different type of long covid tail attached to it and enough people already lost their health insurance and are chronically ill from it. (a person who nearly died from it and is still fighting the after effects)
Oh boy I can’t wait to get Covid for a third time and now as a bonus I can get it during perimenopause where I already feel like I might be losing my mind. Maybe this next vaccine will work for me. I mean the first two didn’t. Or maybe they did. Maybe if I hadn’t gotten them I would have died. I definitely felt like I could die when I had it. Jesus, why does everything suck right now??
RubyRaven907 | 18 hours ago
Oh good
pinkyepsilon | 7 hours ago
2020 Part 6, here we come!
Druken_sincerity | 3 hours ago
Now with the double of inflation. Second time is always bigger
Trimshot | 2 hours ago
I mean the world won’t survive another worldwide pandemic if it happens now; We’re barely skirting societal collapse as it is.
Deferty | 18 hours ago
This title insinuates that Covid hasn’t been already constantly mutating and affecting people the last 5 years.
pegothejerk | 16 hours ago
This variant, BA.3.2, hasn’t had a similar mutating strain spreading around the US since Jan 2024. It’s the first since then to have a similar mutation that evades immune detection and vaccines wont likely have their usual effectiveness. It is different, the article and linked journal inside the article explain how.
qyasogk | 16 hours ago
Well it’s a good thing no one is taking vaccines anymore.
cyanescens_burn | 15 hours ago
I do because I work in a high risk environment and I don’t want long covid brain fog, chronic fatigue, and whatever else. Symptoms like that could end up causing me to lose my job. I need to stay sharp to do well at work. I live in a HCoL city, and if I had to take a less cognitively demanding gig would struggle to stay housed here.
sunkistandsudafed3 | 8 hours ago
I'm absolutely pro vaccine and worked in healthcare throughout the pandemic. I would still encourage people to get it if available to them, less of my patients died after vaccination and generally did better during the infections, but I feel the need to make it clear that it is not a magic bullet against long covid. It might reduce the risk but some of us still develop it despite vaccination.
killerdeer69 | 13 hours ago
Long term brain fog is a symptom of covid? That explains a lot... I'm still experiencing that and I had covid over a year ago.
OrangeJr36 | 6 hours ago
How did you not know this? It's been wildly discussed since 2020
sleptpastnoon | 6 hours ago
the brain fog
OrangeJr36 | 5 hours ago
Fair point!
killerdeer69 | 5 hours ago
It's like Silent Hill up here, man.
Kobethegoat420 | 5 hours ago
Brain fog.
linguistikate | 5 hours ago
Unfortunately the vaccine doesn’t necessarily prevent long Covid
pit_of_despair666 | 13 hours ago
I have those symptoms from hormonal changes we ladies start going through in our 40's.
Hypnotist30 | 2 hours ago
I had covid in 23. It wasn't terrible in the short term, but I definitely wouldn't recommend trying it. The congestion lasted about 7 days & I had a fever and bad fatigue for 4 of them. It was another 2 weeks before I actually felt better & I still got sinus headaches off and on for another 3 or 4 months. My vaccine was current at that time.
pegothejerk | 16 hours ago
I mean, I got mine in fall. But yeah, people around here have largely blown it off.
IBeDumbAndSlow | 15 hours ago
Insurance doesn't cover it for me anymore
dushamp | 15 hours ago
??? The local Walgreens does it for free withought anything more than your name and an appointment
IBeDumbAndSlow | 15 hours ago
Oh damn. I didn't know that, thank you!
Tank_Girl_Gritty_235 | 4 hours ago
My Walgreens makes you pay but they give you a gift certificate for the same value
Keji70gsm | 12 hours ago
They're either not covered, out of touch with how important it is, or stupid.
Roonwogsamduff | 14 hours ago
thought they are illegal now?
tsardonicpseudonomi | 3 hours ago
After the government stopped making healthcare accessible with regard to COVID vaccinations I'd expect that the herd immunity shattered. They became out of reach for the poor.
Hot-Persimmon756 | 15 hours ago
This has been a particularly bad “flu” season… but I suspect it’s really a flu/covid season as people I know have been down and out several times this past Fall and Winter.
HighOnGoofballs | 9 hours ago
There was (is?) a flu variant this year all over, I got it myself. Still haven’t caught covid yet somehow
n0madking | 15 hours ago
How many times can you get this shit before it destroys your brain and lungs?
S-192 | 15 hours ago
It no longer does the kind of damage to the lungs that we saw with the Alpha and Beta variants. If you develop complications like pneumonia you certainly can have that happen, but that's the same story with the flu and others.
Brain damage is not clear. I've not heard of anything like that with COVID again--since Alpha/Beta.
The main risk with this, assuming you're not very young or very old and at risk of aforementioned complications, is the threat of long COVID. And we still don't fully understand it, so there's that.
But the days of mass scale lung scarring and stuff are behind us it seems. To become more contagious a disease must become weaker. Typical pathogenesis. This is no exception. But that doesn't mean it's to be taken lightly, before anyone says anything to that.
DanoPinyon | 15 hours ago
It's cumulative damage to bodily systems, especially the immune system. The reason so many are sick so often.
Hugs154 | 14 hours ago
There’s no actual evidence of this. No other viral illnesses work like this. Don’t fall for fearmongering.
ikonoclasm | 13 hours ago
Technically measles does since it attacks your memory B and T cells.
Hugs154 | 13 hours ago
That’s true, but that’s not “cumulative damage” from multiple infections like this person is claiming, that just kinda happens with measles. And you can’t get measles twice except in very extreme circumstances.
DanoPinyon | 14 hours ago
Thanks for th' laff at your expense!
Hugs154 | 14 hours ago
Provide some peer reviewed studies, in humans (not in mice or in vitro), showing what you said is true then!
DanoPinyon | 20 minutes ago
>Provide some peer reviewed studies, in humans (not in mice or in vitro), showing what you said is true then! u/Hugs154
I mean golly gee, it's a choice after 7 years to not know what a widespread infectious, damaging disease does to human bodies. Sure, humans are lazy and the brain isn't optimized for long-term thinking, but we can overcome that. Well, some do, others have brain damage and can no longer figure it out even when spelled out for them. More resources for me, though, and that's good!
[Edit: fatfanger]
FrakNutz | 2 hours ago
I had COVID 4 or 5 times, I forget now. Fully immunized as soon as it was available and got paxlovid quickly each time.
Each time it affected me differently, but I was never hospitalized. One of them I got really stupid, like not being able to come up with the names of common objects, and I realized after all my bouts that I can't read a book, especially for fun, and retain it the same way anymore, and I used to be a speed reader. I forget what I just read. Learning takes longer, different methods, and more effort. I don't see things in my mind anymore, it's all just grey when I used to have vivid visualization. I'm still good at troubleshooting and association of stuff I knew before but it's harder for me to integrate new knowledge or to articulate some old knowledge. I have to go through instructions carefully and more slowly and repeatedly to stand a chance.
I also believe my lung capacity or efficiency is decreased, I get out of breath much faster and easier.
Thisismyusername89 | 58 minutes ago
I was just going to reply with pretty much the same thing. I know I’m a bit older than when it first hit but I know I’m not the same anymore. Got hit 2 times with it so far and it’s changed my lungs. My memory as well went into decline, too big and too rapid to call it “getting older”. I don’t care what the professionals say, I know my body well & I know covid caused some serious damage to it. 😕
Upbeat-Hearing4222 | 5 hours ago
Forever, its not a flu strain or chickenpox where you get likely lifelong immunity. Some viruses do that, some don't. Most common cold viruses don't let you become immune, but generally their evolutionary pressure sheds lethality for infection rate.
That one COVID was so bad because it jumped from bats to humans so successfully and at high infection rate, but carried with it abnormally high lethality for a COVID strain.
It's not uncommon for a strain that just crossed over to a new species to have higher lethality, but it is uncommon for it to be that infectious that fast.
_redacteduser | 13 hours ago
I got it 4x the first time, I’m already fucked.
willyoumassagemykale | 5 hours ago
5 for me 😭 and I get my vaccines!
xxYourLastBreathxx | 8 hours ago
just get more vaccines!!
IndigoStef | 12 hours ago
Whatever flu I just had sure felt like Covid despite testing negative twice. Lost me sense of smell, got congested and then had a deep barking cough, sweating constantly but no fever, started to feel better and then got mush worse, body aches, headaches, and two weeks of missed work. I’m still using an inhaler and catching my breath if i overexert myself. (And I’m vaccinated and boosted every October for Covid and Flu)
lolkobolko | 7 hours ago
Well i never take vaccines and i am never sick. Try it sometime... also you should avoid people recently vaccinated due to shedding
angryChick3ns | 6 hours ago
Wtf
lolkobolko | 5 hours ago
Well its not a well known fact but its real, you can google about vaccine shedding. Even covid vaccines shed but i didn't find any papers on it... guess they hiding this info like how they hide the fact that people who died from the covid vaccines were put in unvaccinated category hence it looks like covid vaccine "lowers all cause mortality" which is not possible
Level_Macaroon2533 | 5 hours ago
I hear you i was at the park the other day watching some "birds" charge up on the power lines and I could see an aura on this woman from a mile away - recent measles vaccine shedding.
lolkobolko | 4 hours ago
Perhaps the spike proteins in your brain hurt you as your comment makes zero sense
justdrowsin | an hour ago
Yeah! I never wear a seatbelts and I haven't died in a car accident. Facts! I don't buy fire insurance for my home, and it's never burnt down! Winning! I'm fat and I don't eat healthy food, and I'm still alive! Just can't argue with my logic!
BlastTyrantKM | 17 hours ago
Why do they keep testing for COVID? We wouldn't have any new COVID variants if they stop testing for them /s
NobblyNobody | 13 hours ago
Luckily you've got RFK Jr leading the way, who i'm sure will be right on it.
PhysicalStorm7275 | 15 hours ago
Covid 2 : Electric Boogaloo
Basicly-Inevitable | 18 hours ago
The next pandemic they'll say, "It's just the common Covid! It'll be gone by Christmas! Stop overreacting!"
atwistofcitrus | 13 hours ago
Mask up ppl.
Long Covid is a real bitch - no joke
snakeyfish | 15 hours ago
Not good news. But send another 8billion to Israel
cassatta | 14 hours ago
8 billion at least. The useful idiot has done Putins bidding and destroyed the US from within and done Israel’s bidding to start a war with Iran. Never before has this country seen such a tremendous idiot
xOrion12x | 14 hours ago
Dude their aiming for 200. We apparently obliterated their army, navy, power, oil, country, school girls and everything possible. Why the fuck are WE the ones sending troops to die and taking money that we have never so desperately needed thats OURS, for THEIR fucking war?
GeauxCup | 15 hours ago
I hope the WHO can track it and study it because lord knows no one else will.
Arlitto | 14 hours ago
Honestly? Just wipe me out, please. I'm tired, boss.
SpritaniumRELOADED | 5 hours ago
Incidentally, I had to commit fraud in order to get my COVID vaccine this year
HoldEm__FoldEm | an hour ago
This isn’t news. Covid is just another new sickness like the cold & flu.
It will come around in new variants every year now
Crazycook99 | 16 hours ago
I’m really wondering if that’s what smack the fuck outta me these past two weeks. Still recovering, barely have my appetite back and naps are a constant everyday. I was told it was Flu A, but I doubt the VA Hospital has the proper information
doyouevenfly | 18 hours ago
Good old common COVID
pegothejerk | 16 hours ago
Except it’s not the common COVID, it’s a new variant from a variant we haven’t had a mutation of spreading for over 2 years.
momofyagamer | 16 hours ago
Yeah that means a different type of long covid tail attached to it and enough people already lost their health insurance and are chronically ill from it. (a person who nearly died from it and is still fighting the after effects)
BiffSterling80 | 12 hours ago
Most people i ask are going to pray it away
Eelroots | 11 hours ago
I bet they will stop sampling. Problem solved.
Physical_Dentist2284 | 8 hours ago
Oh boy I can’t wait to get Covid for a third time and now as a bonus I can get it during perimenopause where I already feel like I might be losing my mind. Maybe this next vaccine will work for me. I mean the first two didn’t. Or maybe they did. Maybe if I hadn’t gotten them I would have died. I definitely felt like I could die when I had it. Jesus, why does everything suck right now??
chemistry_coronado | 14 hours ago
Covid is slowly killing everyone. It also can’t produce herd immunity the same a cold or flu does since it damages the immune system.
DreadfulDuder | 14 hours ago
Could you elaborate?
I thought it couldn't produce herd immunity just because it mutates so quickly, but I'm not a Virologist.
darkearwig | 12 hours ago
We cut flu cases down drastically with increased immunizations and masking, we very likely could eliminate it, but there is no social will to do so.
DreadfulDuder | an hour ago
Oh yeah 🤦
Yup, very high adoption rates would be needed.
Thanks!
predat3d | 15 hours ago
Thanks a bunch, Netherlands
MisterWanderer | 11 hours ago
Covid loves spreading when trump is in power. Wonder why it loves him so much.
Shin-kak-nish | 6 hours ago
Love how every time Trump becomes president Covid starts to surge. God is punishing us.
Living-By-The-River | 7 hours ago
If it’s in 25 states, it’s everywhere already.
Luciferousllamas | 7 hours ago
Oh look, the seasonal cold is out again
MARSHALCOGBURN999 | 5 hours ago
Everyone panic. Shut the government down and hazmat up.
Few_Box_1341 | 6 hours ago
Let’s do shots
Strong-Mall-2280 | 17 hours ago
2 weeks to flatten the curve😆
Varathane | 16 hours ago
flattened that Influenza B/Yamagata curve though! Drove it to near extinction.
darkearwig | 12 hours ago
Near? As far as I know, it hasn't been seen in the wild at all since