X purges 13,000 accounts linked to suspected meddling ahead of US midterms

62 points by ilreb 9 hours ago on hackernews | 65 comments

gvfsa | 9 hours ago

>...as well as content intended to discourage participation.

Uh? That's odd. In my country I don't vote because I don't feel represented and I encourage others in my situation to do the same. Would I get banned for saying that?

boesboes | 9 hours ago

Are you a bot from an openly hostile nation? If not, then probably not. But maybe you've already been successfully brain washed, because that's EXACTLY what countries do to undermine each other

gvfsa | 9 hours ago

No, I read the policy and it doesn't cover what I mentioned. It looks like "content intended to discourage participation" is probably not the best wording...

https://help.x.com/en/rules-and-policies/election-integrity-...

knottn | 9 hours ago

Getting idiots to not vote undermines elections? Weird.

causesothere | 9 hours ago

Yes. Building apathy erodes democracy.

AnimalMuppet | 8 hours ago

So do people that are easily manipulated by propaganda. Do you want such people to vote, to give the election to the best propagandists? Or do you want them to not vote, and deal with the apathy?

stetrain | 8 hours ago

The fewer people who vote, the smaller the group that needs to be influenced to make a difference in the election.

MatekCopatek | 8 hours ago

It's a little more nuanced than that. Not voting can be just as democratic as voting if you're informed about your options and decide none of them represent your position.

But even in situations where someone would potentially want to vote and a tweet misleads them to believe it's not worth it, why is that worse then a tweet misleading them to believe that a certain political option will work in their favor?

causesothere | 8 hours ago

I voted third party. I know all about voting with intent. Apathy, however, is caustic. It encourages people to not think they could improve things. To check out, stop listening.

"Listen to that guy" gets people listening and encourages at least the chance of someone going, "wait, actually I don't like what this guy is saying, what are other guys saying?"

stetrain | 8 hours ago

If a large percentage of people are influenced to not participate, then the remaining set is a smaller group to mislead in one political direction or another.

More participation makes it harder to influence enough voters in a single direction to make a significant difference in outcomes.

And, at least in US politics, my experience is that most candidates do not stand on a single issue but rather a broad spectrum of political ideology. I think it would be pretty rare for all of the candidates to have no difference in alignment with you on any of the hundreds of issues at play. Especially if you are participating in primary elections which tend to have a greater diversity of positions.

myersj | 7 hours ago

> if you're informed about your options and decide none of them represent your position.

Literally none of "them" represent any part of your position on what is typically a wide array of different issues? Not any of the state and local candidates? Not a single national candidate? You have no position, whatsoever, on local ballot issues?

That seems deeply myopic or extraordinarily unlikely.

nozzlegear | 8 hours ago

It obviously undermines elections. The only thing weird here is your faux confusion.

pjc50 | 8 hours ago

Selectively getting people to not vote, yes. It's the reverse of "get out the vote" campaigns.

(Australian compulsory voting: discuss)

ChrisRR | 8 hours ago

Why would you get banned for saying that? What a pointlessly argumentative comment

oeitho | 8 hours ago

Why would any politician care about your concerns if you don’t vote?

I’ve heard this said by acquaintances before, but even when someone finally says what they want to hear they find another reason to not vote… without exception.

Whenever the topic shows up I always tell people to vote and that there’s no good reason to not vote if you legally can.

gvfsa | 8 hours ago

Because due to demographics I’m in the minority. Democracy caters to the majority. In generic terms, all policies are written to benefit the old in detriment of the young, but they vastly outnumber us, so there’s nothing that can be done about this.

There’s a good reason not to vote: you have to go and vote. If I could vote from home, maybe.

oeitho | 7 hours ago

I don’t know which country you’re from, but I’m going to guess that the old are catered to because they actually vote and the young doesn’t.

If the younger generation becomes a sizeable voter demographic, then the politicians will notice. A new party might also show up to take those vote, giving them influence and negotiation power.

But for that to happen, the younger generation have to vote. That’s why I’m so adamant in discussions with acquaintainces that they need to vote and that the only valid reason to not vote is legality.

brodouevencode | 9 hours ago

Reminder that Twitter (X) has done similar things (shadow-banning) before.

causesothere | 9 hours ago

HN does too. It's a standard moderation practice.

Yoric | 5 hours ago

I've been a moderator (on smaller platforms). Can confirm that it's standard.
Knowing Musk, they probably purged pro Democrats while leaving Russian bots alone.

boesboes | 9 hours ago

true, luckily they're mostly offline since yandex gone boom

gruez | 9 hours ago

There's no evidence of that happening. In fact there's counter-evidence:

https://bsky.app/profile/antibot4navalny.bsky.social/post/3m...

233mhz | 9 hours ago

People keep saying this with 0 proof other than the INDEXING "bot" trafick being down on cloudflare dashboard

nozzlegear | 8 hours ago

> other than the INDEXING "bot" trafick being down on cloudflare dashboard

So they do have some proof?

gruez | 8 hours ago

OP: >they probably purged pro Democrats while leaving Russian bots alone

In that context it's pretty obvious "bots" are referring to disinformation or "troll" bots, not bots doing indexing/scraping.

customguy | 8 hours ago

> Mr. Franklin claims he went to the moon first, with no proof except a soggy box of matches with the words "moon pie" scribbled on it.

So he has some proof? So the jury is still out, so this is controversial, right?

nozzlegear | 5 hours ago

I don't follow. Could you clarify whether you're asserting Cloudflare's data is worthless, or just that you believe your weird anecdote dismisses it?

Yoric | 5 hours ago

Not GP, but please take a look at CloudFlare's data. As far as I understand, it was only measuring indexing bots, without attempting to look for anything political or shady.

233mhz | 7 hours ago

It's not a proof of anything. If I build a dam to block your local river and you stop getting water, is it a proof there were fish in the river?

People who measure traffic to sites supposedly plagued by russian bots (the ones we care about here: trolls, disinformation, etc.) saw absolutely no dip in traffic

nozzlegear | 6 hours ago

> It's not a proof of anything. If I build a dam to block your local river and you stop getting water, is it a proof there were fish in the river?

I mean, we can use a little common sense and assume that there were fish in the river, right? We'd be foolish not to.

233mhz | 4 hours ago

Is it common sense though?

Do you think that if tomorrow a Google data center goes down the NSA spyware, botnets and other online campaigns go down? I very much doubt it

nozzlegear | 3 hours ago

Is it common sense that a river has fish? Yes. Is it common sense that Yandex has russian bots? Yes.

I don't think any of this is controversial. Bloviate all you want about Google and rivers or whatever the fuck, I think we're getting into the weeds and really losing the plot here.

hunterpayne | 4 hours ago

That's not how proof works.

nozzlegear | 3 hours ago

What I said:

> We can use a little common sense

What you read:

> This assumption is irrefutable proof!

Thanks bud.

mingus88 | 9 hours ago

What a blow to Elon to lose his account in his own platform

olooney | 9 hours ago

Twitter over 300 million daily active users. 13,000 is 0.004% of that.

A standard drop of water is 0.05 ml. A standard household bucket is about 3 gallons. So the proverbial "drop in the bucket" is 0.0004%.

So, for all you naysayers out there saying this is just a drop in the bucket, it's literally x10 that.

Why, if they could get this up to a repeatable process and ban 13,000 accounts per day, that would be 1.5% every year. After a couple of years of work, that might even be perceptible to the average user. Sounds like the problem is well in hand.

piva00 | 9 hours ago

Without any stats/metrics about engagement of real users with these accounts you have absolute no basis to do any comparison to drops of water.

Not sure why number of accounts matter at all, even more if you are depending on internal Twitter investigations to determine that without knowing any of the methodology to detect those, etc.

But sure, you can always defend Twitter if that's the hill you want to die on.

gruez | 9 hours ago

>Without any stats/metrics about engagement of real users with these accounts you have absolute no basis to do any comparison to drops of water.

I think it's fair to assume that if x.com refuses to provide stats that are easily obtainable for them (eg. views or followers), that those stats aren't favorable to them.

thatsabadlook | 9 hours ago

This is the most contorted argument I have ever seen. I admire it on some level. Like we could be friends but I wouldn't let you watch my dogs

bliteben | 9 hours ago

Yeah not sure I'd want to be around for his midlife crisis though.

greg7mdp | 8 hours ago

Sometimes 0.004% matters when the population is not homogenous.

The 0.004% richest Amreicans hold the majority of US wealth. I would not be surprised if the 0.004% top X users in terms of followers have a majority of followers as well.

So implying that because 0.004% is a small proportion of total users, this user ban is unconsequential seems flawed to me.

tacitusarc | 8 hours ago

> The 0.004% richest Americans hold the majority of US wealth

That is massively false. It’s closer to 5%. Still really bad IMO but 0.004% is a ludicrous thing to claim

https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr...

ericd | 8 hours ago

>The 0.004% richest Amreicans hold the majority of US wealth

Nah, it’s more like the top 5% hold half. The top 0.1% are at ~13%.

stetrain | 9 hours ago

I'm sure this was done in a perfectly fair and balanced manner and not in a way that is at all aligned to the CEO's publicly stated politics.

voidhorse | 9 hours ago

Meanwhile: https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-midterms-republicans-do...

Manipulation of elections is OK as long as you do it with money.

archagon | 3 hours ago

bratsche | 9 hours ago

Probably 13,000 accounts that suddenly went dark after Ukraine took out some datacenter in Russia recently.

thatsabadlook | 9 hours ago

Doubtful... It looks like Starlink showed it's colors to Ukraine and it's admiration for the Russian state what was it within 24hrs of that operation? Yikes.

rpmisms | 8 hours ago

That's not an accurate characterization of what happened, and I think you know that.

causesothere | 8 hours ago

I don't think anyone knows that, given it's news from the past couple days.

thatsabadlook | 8 hours ago

Do you have updated information about this? I've been following this pretty closely and that's more or less what I've read and seen discussed.

diath | 8 hours ago

feverzsj | 9 hours ago

Posts on "For you" are mostly pro right/republican/Trump these days, even if you block such accounts frequently.

causesothere | 8 hours ago

X is a deeply partisan website. It actively censors leftist viewpoints. So it's not surprising it would skew rightward.

This effect is self reinforcing, if you are leftish, and you are in a tightening space, why would you stay?

craftkiller | 8 hours ago

Why are you still using Twitter? It has been years since the purchase, you've had plenty of time to switch.

baggachipz | 8 hours ago

People are just shrugging and going back to it.[1]

It's really disheartening.

[1] https://daringfireball.net/2026/10/x_once_again_marks_the_sp...

archagon | 3 hours ago

Some people, not others: https://lexontech.org/x-is-bad-though

(I wouldn't want to be in a community with the people who went back to the Nazi bar anyway, so it works out for me. Can barely catch up with my Bluesky and Mastodon feeds as-is.)

TiredOfLife | 6 hours ago

Spent couple minutes scrolling my For you page and the only one political post was celebrating the Ukrainian strike on the 6 su-34 planes

syngrog66 | 8 hours ago

meanwhile Musk spending $250M+ on Republican campaigns. but sure, ban a few Twitter accounts

ChrisRR | 8 hours ago

Thank you HN for highlighting new usernames in green

tavavex | 8 hours ago

Sounds like they're just getting rid of competition

linuxftw | 7 hours ago

A fraction of what the UK imprisons for wrong think each year.

xphos | 6 hours ago

I am fine with content policeing actions from being legal but I think we content enforcement of this nature on platforms that live on freedom of press and speech should be forced to publicize when that take action against accounts. Publicize the lists for bans, and reason for it. Here the reason is given but its not account linked so its hard to say if the reason is justifed with the accounts histories.

Maybe the government needs a meta organization that upholds freedom of speech enforcement from platforms and companies that get broad Section 230 protections. I.e Facebook, X, Twitch, Youtube, etc. If a company can just purge you soruce of speech entirely the country protections seem lacking for the public welfare. Curious what other people think. I know an agency like this is rife to partisan infiltration but if its roll is to for unbanning rather than banning I think the scope of its potential abuse would be extremely narrow.

>X purges 13,000 accounts

Yeah, Im sure its all “After careful review,”

In other news I just read today how Gough Luis account got banned for posting organic content and linking to his own blog. https://goughlui.com/2026/10/15/opinion-death-of-the-old-int...

Sad but accurate summary about current state of internet is “There is no incentive to be honest, aside from having a conscience.”