I'm convinced you couldn't draw up a better strategy on behalf of BRICS if you tried.
Undermine all NATO alliances, weaken the dollar, cripple allied supply lines, create domestic, national, and international in-fighting, embolden the oligarchs, encourage all the companies to all-in on AGI (knowing it's a fairy tale), drain the arsenals, empty the strategic reserves.
This one though? This one is brilliant. Pit the US into a dispute with it's neighboring nations. The very isolation that has enabled US dominance over decades is now in jeopardy. And it's being instigated entirely by one side.
As it should be. The sad thing is the majority of posts regarding this seem to be some form of hatred of Americans. 70M out of 140M voted for this. Another 70M didn't vote. I understand the anger at those 140M, but not the other 200M
I mean that is vastly more than half of the registered voting population. I think it's pretty fair to dislike a country on the basis that more than half its inhabitants vote for this shit. And the ones that didn't or now regret it are not doing nearly enough to protest this slow ride descent into fascism.
thats 70 million at our border trying to destroy our sovereignty. the other 200M stand by and do nothing while it happens. I guess we should think of the "nice germans that had nothing to do with the holocaust"
I am more focused on what I will do to preserve my nation, we have competent leadership in the PMO. What should Poland recommend to the Germans as they were gearing up to invade back in 1939? Say thank you to the good Germans that didnt want to invade? Sad that you cant seem to figure it out that your lot failed to keep America from collapsing into MAGA fascism and that might -gasp- have impacts to all Americans, not just the "bad" ones. Nobody gives a shit if you are a good American. We arent going to praise you for your righteousness.
What happened after the no kings rally? You guys can't keep a protest going for a week, and stop it before anything is fixed or addressed. Fighting for your rights means you need to keep the pressure on politicians until the situation is reverted
Want some examples?
Albania is currently protesting the next Epstein island from Kushner
For 2025, there's South Korea and Nepal
Hong Kong protested in 2019-2020 against Chinese authorities
77 million voted for this. 90 million sat it out. America has elected this clown 2 times. I have lots of love and respect for the 75 million who voted for Harris. We should get together and do something. Let's not give too much credence to the bots.
Don't forget using sanctions as an international bludgeon. Nothing says "we need a new payment system" like a superpower using the existing one to wreak economic havoc.
Telling a sovereign trading partner to fall in line while slapping 50% tariffs is how you guarantee retaliatory supply chain disruption, not capitulation🙍♂️
Im in the U.S. and in a industry that would be negatively impacted potentially pretty badly by this nonsense and I say Canada let us have it. This is ridiculousness that is positively embarrassing and I do say the American public should bear that cost until some lesson is learned
As a Canadian, this is ridiculous. We would love to deepen our bonds and trade but its so insane. I have family members that are american we used to visit the states but its like what the hell is happening.
That’s the thing, we should be the deepest friends in any rational setting even if we, as two different sovereign nations, disagree on certain issues. I say the same thing of Mexico like we’re all Americans in the truest sense. If we can’t get along with you how the hell can we have serious relationships anywhere and that’s not even talking about NATO or anything else.
Mean fuck yeah we fucked around during the Cold War and did bad shit I won’t deny that, but not that long ago we were making progress in fixing that shit now we’re using random South American boats as weapons testing what the fuck do we expect to happen with this bullshit
As an American, I am sorry. Unfortunately you'll still see beef farmers arguing theyd still vote for trump while they go bankrupt from his policies. There are some very hard lessons that americans need to learn, and Im really sorry that those lessons also hurt your/other countries economies.
This is Orange Dipshit and his merry band of idiots shitting all over everything. Carney is just doing what he can with the best interests of Canadians in mind.
Canadians know retaliatory tarrifs will hurt us, but they are necessary.
The US is 100% to blame here. What the US government was offering was clearly unacceptable. I would say it's stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was malicious.
Nah, I'm not writing an essay for you. The strategy behind retailiatory tariffs is clear enough. I'm sure you can figure it out if you actually care to, even if you don't agree with it.
Standing firm on matters of basic sovereignty is not a "dick measuring contest". Canada must have the right to make our own trade deals, for one.
If you can’t connect the dots between not being allowed to choose, our own trading partners ,eliminating protections for one of our official language and completely devastating the economy of Ontario, which is the most populous province then I’m not really sure that there’s anything that any of us can say that will make you understand Carney is making the right move. I didn’t vote for him. I will never vote for him, but I do agree that he’s making the right choices.
That's not what everything on reddit has explained about tariffs. The Americans apparently paid for the Trump tariffs so the Canadians will be paying for the Carney tariffs. They are the same tariffs.
Candians would be paying the tariffs, yes. Unlike America, though, Canada hasn't prodded and provoked every trading partner so Canadians will be able to find products cheaper than the tariffed US goods. Not as cheap as they got them from the US pre-tariff, but cheaper than buying the tariffed US goods.
Since the USA is starting trade wars with everyone, we often end up just still buying the same product just with the tariff prices lol
I'm so tired of this both sides nonsense. Democrats literally can't do anything more than they're doing, they don't have a majority in either house. Under Biden they got a ton of great legislation passed doing some very deft horse trading to bypass the filibuster.
Look. Trump won two times because his voters are angry and anxious, and he promised them a righteous battle and salvation.
Of course he didn’t deliver on this. But rhetoric matters in leadership. Inspiration matters in leadership.
Jeffries is weak. He talks weak and acts weak. He does not stand up for his own words. This isn’t my own personal crazy, hot take - literally everyone can see this.
I expect him to see the writing on the wall, I expect him to listen to the Democratic voters en masse, and I expect him to be righteously angry, as many of us are out here suffering.
A great example is Zohran Mamdani and Netanyahu. He can’t arrest Netanyahu or stop him. But Mamdani took to the air, said that he would if he could, and called Netanyahu a war criminal.
That took a lot of courage, and it was very inspirational, even if, on paper, it was ineffective.
Lutnick’s sons made a lot of money on the last set of tariffs, and he then came in at the last minute to make outlandish demands that made Canada walk away from the negotiations. One family will make billions, off the backs of the US taxpayers who will pay the tariffs.
Fortune covered this:
Meet the quiet winners of the Supreme Court tariff ruling: hedge funds creating a $100 billion market snapping up rights to importers’ tariff refunds
https://fortune.com/2026/03/07/winners-supreme-court-tariff-ruling-hedge-funds-creating-100-billion-secondary-market-refunds-brandon-howard-lutnick
Billionaires don't care about what county they live in. They are dividing America to piece it off. They will suck the citizens dry. Then they'll come for Canada. This is a class war.
Hahahaha. The money isn’t going to the government, it’s going to trumps pockets.
The tariffs are extortion by the Trump administration paid by the tax payer.
Trump unilaterally makes your goods cost more in my country, unless you do the following:
Buy Trump crypto so he can then sell at inflated rate and wash dirty money.
Donate to his PAC.
Hell just give him a gold bar and he will sign over a state to someone right now.
It’s just a bargaining chip he is using for his personal enrichment. Look at trumps recent wealth accumulation and look at the governments debt and you will see where the money is going. Into Trump and his donors pockets.
I really don’t think it’s that deep. When you say bailing out, do you mean the deficit? The tariffs will never make a dent, especially if they will keep being ruled illegal. What do you mean by “government pockets”? If you mean “Howard Lutnick and sons will make a killing betting on the tariffs” then sure, but that doesn’t seem to be what you are referring to
Even setting aside the corrupt schemes, it genuinely cannot do anything for government revenues either, because tariff revenue is minuscule compared to the deficit
I agree. Trump wants those tariffs in order to pay for the deficit so ordinary people shoulder that burden and not tech bros and various corporations and billionaires
That is absolutely not what Trump wants. The tariffs will not make anything approaching a minuscule dent in the deficit (setting aside the fact that most of them are still illegal and will be reimbursed), so this is nonsensincal. And in any case, Trump has clearly shown he does not care about the deficit in the slightest, nor does anyone in his admin.
It’s really much simpler: Trump can post “I TARIFF you 500%” on Truth Social whenever a foreign leader annoys him slightly, feel like a big strong man, and not suffer any direct consequences. And then if his cronies can make some money on the side betting on the tariffs, that’s a bonus (whether or not that’s his objective, it’s very clear members of his admin such as Lutnick do this).
No, this isn’t how sovereign nations with fiat currencies work. Governments are not run like businesses or households - the rules of the game are completely different.
A government with a fiat currency has the power to print as much money as it wants. Of course, There are inflationary consequences. Governments generate revenue as one of the main methods of combatting inflation. Taxes are money that is taken out of the system.
It is intuitive to think that taxes are money raised that the government can spend. But that’s not true for countries with fiat currencies. Taxes are a symbolic blood offering that affirms the value of the dollar.
If they keep printing money what happens to their ability to issue debt?
If I owned $500B of treasuries, Canada for instance, and the issuer of debt prints money then the fiat currency takes a beating -> This decreases the value of my holdings in my home currency.
If I know money printing is happening, and will happen in the future, what will I demand for yields? Much higher.
The overall goal is the subjugation of Canada and keeping China out of America's new, reduced sphere of influence. Other actors in Trump's team (as well as Trump himself) will use the opportunity to enrich themselves while doing it.
There is no "overall goal", my god. Trump is an incompetent moron who makes up his plans on the fly when he wakes up in the morning. He has no concept of long term strategic planning, and has surrounded himself with people who won't force him to.
He's making decisions as he goes to make himself feel strong and to make a lot of money. It's really not that deep, stop trying to scry the tea leaves that are his posts when it's extremely clear what he is: a venal, petulant, impatient, moron
Vance is 100% convinced that the US is in terminal decline and must retreat from the world and secure its own sphere of influence, cede Europe to Russia and Asia to China. I think you're being too short-sighted in thinking that Trump does random stuff instead of being manipulated into making decisions by others who try to spin it to him as being tough and heroic.
Trumps admin has tariffed the world. I believe it is a method to squeeze the USA consumer to help raise revenues for the USA via taxing the shit out of the citizens....
This won't work! Tariff revenue is tiny, and trump very clearly doesn't care about revenues. The explanation is much simpler: Trump likes tariffs because they make him feel strong and can make him money
Fact: tariff revenue is minuscule and will not ever stand a chance of making a dent in the deficit without being large enough to genuinely destroy the economy.
And in any case: Trump doesn't care about the deficit, neither do republicans! Why would he out an extremely damaging policy in place for something he doesn't care about?
He just likes them because they're personal, make him feel strong, and enable him to make money on the side. It's that simple, don't try to look for a deep strategy here
I'm tired of this bs and establishment Democrats impotence. I can't afford it.
This long time Democrat is NOT voting for any establishment Democrat in this or the next election cycle especially those who are working with Republicans unless there is no one else on the ballot. We need a change and establishment Democrats like Schumer and Jeffries aren't it.
What are you going on about? The reason why none of that is true is because democrats didn’t show up to vote because people like you didn’t vote for dems. Understood smart ass?
I said this long time Democrat is NOT voting for any establishment Democrat in this or the next election cycle especially those who are working with Republicans unless there is no one else on the ballot. We need a change and establishment Democrats like Schumer and Jeffries aren't it.
You're so sick of the chaos, corruption and incompetence of Republicans that you are splitting the vote for Democrats to help Republicans win. I'm sure that will help.
It really isn’t, because at the end of the day even those establishment Democrats didn’t do all this shit during Biden’s term
Voting for no one is voting for more of trump
Perhaps as an Albertan you want UCP to win more so that Alberta can be America’s newest state, that’s the only reason I can think you’d write your comment
LOL Biden didn’t take off Trumps first tariffs Democrats are capitulators plan and simple. As an Albertan where in my comments have I ever been pro republican traitor which is what the UCP are.
Peter Lougheed would be disgusted by Albertans now.
Somehow Alberta NDP are even less effective than the democrats but I don’t go around Alberta’s threads saying “you shouldn’t vote Alberta NDP because they’re capitulators plain and simple”
not voting because that’s your only option is a vote for trump, Canadians have this figured out last election when a bunch of NDP switched to liberals to make sure Poilievre didn’t win and now they have a real fighter against trump because they knew not to split the vote
The US isn't doing anything because Democrats are too afraid to take a stand against Trump. They may run against him but there is no solidifying message. They think that by doing so they might lose the election. They need to take a clue from Canada
Still not a reason to not vote for whoever is on the dem ticket, punishing someone already losing to the one that’s causing all the pain is surely a way to heal
How exactly do you expect Democrats to be able to do anything about this when people like you cannot be assed to show up to vote them into a sufficient majority?
Harris, Biden and the rest of the faied to deliver. We don't need the same old, same old. we need change and fresh blood and a fresh perspective that focuses on the average person not billionaires
Agreed the feckless policies that dems have been supporting mainly the establishment dems need to change and we do that by threatening their seats in the primaries. Pulling them to move more in line with what working class workers need once we start improving the lives of working class americans and make that the bastion of the democratic party a trump like individual wouldn't be able to win.
This "two party" system is corrupt to the core. You can vote third party or write in your candidate of choice, but it won't matter. Real change can only come from a revolution at this point, but that isn't going to happen until this country has been mired in an endless destructive depression for a while. The bread and circuses are still too good right now.
So much this. When you have fascists in the Whitehouse, literally tearing it down, it is unacceptable that the neoliberals are "trying to find common ground." Fuck Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer for legitimizing corruption and refusing to stand up for the rule of law.
Exactly that Supreme Court changed my attitude. We need people in there who are actually looking after the health and well-being of the average person and bringing it to fruition
You’re totally right, let’s bash the democrats as the only party with agency through this mess so people abstain again and we get more fascism! Great plan!
Votes are earned, not given. Being the lesser or two evils isn't enough. Do-nothing, neoliberal democrats are the reason trump got elected not once, but twice. Also, define "agency". From what I can tell the democratic leadership is doing fuck all.
Carney should have stood up to trump and demanded more revenue from the bridge. Canada paid for 100% of it. But he caved to trump at 50% of the revenue.
He begged premiers to put booze back on shelf and still couldn't get a deal. Carney walked, USA didn't. The dollar for dollar tarrifs on sept 8 will never happen. Why? Because carney will sign a deal from trumpy after the bi elections next week. Carney can't risk those ridings with a signed deal because it would piss off his tds voters. They'd run to ndp and Green Party when carney signs over to trump. Carney walking away was all theatre for these bi elections.
91% of carneys assets are in the USA. Along with his kids in university there. Carney knows feeding tds to Canadians secures him more power but Canada will collapse without the USA. So he will cave to trump next week. I promise you that.
These tariffs Canada are announcing are purely political because it will not improve its position in negotiations in the slightest as evident by the fact that Carney was about to sign a deal that was basically the same from well over a year ago despite Canadas tariffs on us goods and alcohol bans. I mean Adam Smith said it best when he implied that retaliation tariffs are more damaging to one's own economy and are pointless if it doesn't result in tariffs being lifted by the other country which it won't in this case.
Correct but they money still goes to your government. I don't agree with the idea that the tarrifs are to pay for the Iran war but wanted to clarify that for you, and encourage you to enhance your level of reading comprehension.
A deal will be signed next week. After the bi elections in Canada. Carney will concede to trump as usual so be can't sign before his seats are locked up. You heard it here first.
Bridge deal was shit, agreed. 50% of the profits for the first 15 years. Better to leave it closed? Probably not. I don’t know.
Digital Sales Tax. Also shitty, yes. But this, just like Carney asking to put US liquor back, was to preemptively help facilitate the trade deals that they just walked out of.
Your last point is just, ‘retaliatory tariffs’. Are you saying Carney hasn’t matched the US’ tariffs?
If Carney concedes to trump ‘as usual’, he would have agreed to all their terms and fed us to the USA. Instead he walked, and has said he will match all the tariffs imposed on us.
Would I prefer for Carney to just block Trump and have nothing to do with him until he’s reasonable? Absolutely. But that’s not realistic. We’re going to have to make sacrifices while we deal with this bat shit insane administration.
Is Canada biting the hand that feeds them?
Canada exports around 75% of their goods into the US. The US export around 15% of their goods into Canada. We definitely need to stand up however we also need to have a plan as we wean off of the US for our exports. We need to make sure that there are other deals out there with other countries to take our exports.
That's what the US is trying to leverage against us. We have had a good relationship for a long time and has led to ever increasing integration. That's now over, and we will work to diversify away and hopefully come out of this economically stronger. I'm ready to endure the pain of not giving up our sovereignty. A fight that I'm not backing away from.
I stand with you on that one. But let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot.
Hopefully our leaders can negotiate a deal with other countries to take our dependency off the USA.
All this tariff stuff is about the 5% of canadian to us exports not covered under Cusma. The other 95% is still under free trade. Its not worth the serious concessions over 5%
Also Carney and Canada have been signing trade deals like crazy with a bunch of other big countries. It's just gotta take time to get rolling
The US demand is a veto on all future and current Canadian trade deals, you can't wean yourself off American dependence with that constraint. A trade war is the only way out
CyberSmith31337 | a day ago
I'm convinced you couldn't draw up a better strategy on behalf of BRICS if you tried.
Undermine all NATO alliances, weaken the dollar, cripple allied supply lines, create domestic, national, and international in-fighting, embolden the oligarchs, encourage all the companies to all-in on AGI (knowing it's a fairy tale), drain the arsenals, empty the strategic reserves.
This one though? This one is brilliant. Pit the US into a dispute with it's neighboring nations. The very isolation that has enabled US dominance over decades is now in jeopardy. And it's being instigated entirely by one side.
YodaForceGhost | a day ago
There’s a reason why there was a bunch of Chinese and Russian propaganda flowing in ahead of the last election
BadAtExisting | a day ago
Don’t* you worry. It’s back in full force
Delgra | 22 hours ago
back? It never stopped lol
BadAtExisting | 15 hours ago
The faucet gets stronger in waves every 2 years
_Antitese | 23 hours ago
the chinese didn't want Trump because they prefer stability.
d88k41t | 21 hours ago
And Israeli ones for that matter
SideInitial3961 | 21 hours ago
We did our best. We will return if you guys act right. But we can't be controlled.
OddlyFactual1512 | 19 hours ago
As it should be. The sad thing is the majority of posts regarding this seem to be some form of hatred of Americans. 70M out of 140M voted for this. Another 70M didn't vote. I understand the anger at those 140M, but not the other 200M
RashmaDu | 17 hours ago
I mean that is vastly more than half of the registered voting population. I think it's pretty fair to dislike a country on the basis that more than half its inhabitants vote for this shit. And the ones that didn't or now regret it are not doing nearly enough to protest this slow ride descent into fascism.
DarthJDP | 14 hours ago
thats 70 million at our border trying to destroy our sovereignty. the other 200M stand by and do nothing while it happens. I guess we should think of the "nice germans that had nothing to do with the holocaust"
OddlyFactual1512 | 11 hours ago
Please inform of what you are propising they do and which people of which nation did so in a similar situation.
DarthJDP | 11 hours ago
I am more focused on what I will do to preserve my nation, we have competent leadership in the PMO. What should Poland recommend to the Germans as they were gearing up to invade back in 1939? Say thank you to the good Germans that didnt want to invade? Sad that you cant seem to figure it out that your lot failed to keep America from collapsing into MAGA fascism and that might -gasp- have impacts to all Americans, not just the "bad" ones. Nobody gives a shit if you are a good American. We arent going to praise you for your righteousness.
OddlyFactual1512 | 11 hours ago
You're using the same language you would condemn people for using to demonize other groups. Congrats, you are just like MAGA.
DarthJDP | 10 hours ago
what would you propose I do and by which people of which nation did so in a similar situation?
GustavoTC | 8 hours ago
What happened after the no kings rally? You guys can't keep a protest going for a week, and stop it before anything is fixed or addressed. Fighting for your rights means you need to keep the pressure on politicians until the situation is reverted
Want some examples?
Albania is currently protesting the next Epstein island from Kushner
For 2025, there's South Korea and Nepal
Hong Kong protested in 2019-2020 against Chinese authorities
biscuitarse | 16 hours ago
77 million voted for this. 90 million sat it out. America has elected this clown 2 times. I have lots of love and respect for the 75 million who voted for Harris. We should get together and do something. Let's not give too much credence to the bots.
Disco425 | a day ago
The R part is operative here.
Z3r0sama2017 | 17 hours ago
Republican?
Disco425 | 14 hours ago
In BRICS the letter R stands for a country which appears to have leverage on the US President to do their bidding.
Freud-Network | 16 hours ago
Don't forget using sanctions as an international bludgeon. Nothing says "we need a new payment system" like a superpower using the existing one to wreak economic havoc.
Defiant-Classroom-20 | 22 hours ago
yeah...it maks me happy...the empire is finally gettting it's just deserts after all the misery it gave to the middele east, SEA, and Latin America
OddlyFactual1512 | 19 hours ago
So, you like seeing certain people suffer simple because of where they were born? Sounds familiar. You should get a red hat.
Successful-Cell-5732 | 22 hours ago
AGI is a fairy tale?
Individual_Limit_701 | a day ago
Telling a sovereign trading partner to fall in line while slapping 50% tariffs is how you guarantee retaliatory supply chain disruption, not capitulation🙍♂️
Affectionate-Panic-1 | a day ago
You can tell when comments are written by ai, not a human 🧍
BonusPlantInfinity | a day ago
Undereducated American assumes anyone with a half decent vocabulary and ability to write in sensical sentences to be AI
Trustable_lad | a day ago
Takes special form of dumb and weirdness to be 1% commenter and be ignorant on AI formatting.
GhostofBeowulf | a day ago
Yup. Like this one right here, claiming this comment is AI.
oldirtyrestaurant | a day ago
And here come the bot comments like yours, meant to disrupt the OP topic.
Fuck off.
driver004 | a day ago
Im in the U.S. and in a industry that would be negatively impacted potentially pretty badly by this nonsense and I say Canada let us have it. This is ridiculousness that is positively embarrassing and I do say the American public should bear that cost until some lesson is learned
Trentykinz | a day ago
As a Canadian, this is ridiculous. We would love to deepen our bonds and trade but its so insane. I have family members that are american we used to visit the states but its like what the hell is happening.
driver004 | a day ago
That’s the thing, we should be the deepest friends in any rational setting even if we, as two different sovereign nations, disagree on certain issues. I say the same thing of Mexico like we’re all Americans in the truest sense. If we can’t get along with you how the hell can we have serious relationships anywhere and that’s not even talking about NATO or anything else.
Mean fuck yeah we fucked around during the Cold War and did bad shit I won’t deny that, but not that long ago we were making progress in fixing that shit now we’re using random South American boats as weapons testing what the fuck do we expect to happen with this bullshit
neglectdogthrowaway | a day ago
As an American, I am sorry. Unfortunately you'll still see beef farmers arguing theyd still vote for trump while they go bankrupt from his policies. There are some very hard lessons that americans need to learn, and Im really sorry that those lessons also hurt your/other countries economies.
OddlyFactual1512 | 19 hours ago
>what the hell is happening
~1 in 4 Americans have developed a deep rooted hatred for anyone not like them.
DL505 | 17 hours ago
I echo your sentiment.
This has become a dick measuring contest between Carney and Trump.
There are no winners.
There are only losers being Canadians and Americans.
EasyEar0 | 17 hours ago
No.
This is Orange Dipshit and his merry band of idiots shitting all over everything. Carney is just doing what he can with the best interests of Canadians in mind.
Canadians know retaliatory tarrifs will hurt us, but they are necessary.
The US is 100% to blame here. What the US government was offering was clearly unacceptable. I would say it's stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was malicious.
DL505 | 17 hours ago
Explain in detail how this is in "canadians best interests"
EasyEar0 | 16 hours ago
Nah, I'm not writing an essay for you. The strategy behind retailiatory tariffs is clear enough. I'm sure you can figure it out if you actually care to, even if you don't agree with it.
Standing firm on matters of basic sovereignty is not a "dick measuring contest". Canada must have the right to make our own trade deals, for one.
DL505 | 16 hours ago
Got it
You can't easily explain your position.
EasyEar0 | 16 hours ago
Think whatever you want about me.
uwgal | 14 hours ago
If you can’t connect the dots between not being allowed to choose, our own trading partners ,eliminating protections for one of our official language and completely devastating the economy of Ontario, which is the most populous province then I’m not really sure that there’s anything that any of us can say that will make you understand Carney is making the right move. I didn’t vote for him. I will never vote for him, but I do agree that he’s making the right choices.
Freud-Network | 16 hours ago
No lesson will be learned. If it burned down, half of America would blame the trees instead of the match that started the fire.
Lightening84 | 16 hours ago
only the citizens of a country pay tariffs. Americans paid Trump tariffs so the Canadians will be paying the Carny tariffs.
Freud-Network | 16 hours ago
Carney is going to impose export tariffs, which Americans will pay.
Lightening84 | 16 hours ago
That's not what everything on reddit has explained about tariffs. The Americans apparently paid for the Trump tariffs so the Canadians will be paying for the Carney tariffs. They are the same tariffs.
Freud-Network | 16 hours ago
The purchasing party pays the tariff, if that helps you understand.
Lemp_Triscuit11 | 16 hours ago
Candians would be paying the tariffs, yes. Unlike America, though, Canada hasn't prodded and provoked every trading partner so Canadians will be able to find products cheaper than the tariffed US goods. Not as cheap as they got them from the US pre-tariff, but cheaper than buying the tariffed US goods.
Since the USA is starting trade wars with everyone, we often end up just still buying the same product just with the tariff prices lol
TgetherinElctricDrmz | a day ago
Don’t worry guys, I heard that Hakeem Jeffries is already having some really positive talks with Jared Kushner about this.
They are going to find a really strong bi-partisan solution that still allows the obese felon pedophile to claim a hollow victory.
‘Merica!
No_Mercy_4_Potatoes | a day ago
As long as Jeffries and Schumer are there, the Democratic party isn't going to do anything for the betterment of the American people.
Johns-schlong | a day ago
I'm so tired of this both sides nonsense. Democrats literally can't do anything more than they're doing, they don't have a majority in either house. Under Biden they got a ton of great legislation passed doing some very deft horse trading to bypass the filibuster.
TgetherinElctricDrmz | 23 hours ago
Are you really suggesting that Jeffries is doing everything possible to fight the GOP agenda?
Really? Him?
partyrockerdj | 17 hours ago
Don’t forget their abomination of an autopsy report for the 2024 election.
Johns-schlong | 16 hours ago
He's the house minority leader, what else can he do? Seriously, what power do the Democrats have that they aren't exercising?
TgetherinElctricDrmz | 12 hours ago
Look. Trump won two times because his voters are angry and anxious, and he promised them a righteous battle and salvation.
Of course he didn’t deliver on this. But rhetoric matters in leadership. Inspiration matters in leadership.
Jeffries is weak. He talks weak and acts weak. He does not stand up for his own words. This isn’t my own personal crazy, hot take - literally everyone can see this.
I expect him to see the writing on the wall, I expect him to listen to the Democratic voters en masse, and I expect him to be righteously angry, as many of us are out here suffering.
A great example is Zohran Mamdani and Netanyahu. He can’t arrest Netanyahu or stop him. But Mamdani took to the air, said that he would if he could, and called Netanyahu a war criminal.
That took a lot of courage, and it was very inspirational, even if, on paper, it was ineffective.
lastunivers | 19 hours ago
They lost to trump twice and didn't prosecute him after his failed insurrection attempt lol should've dissolved the party after that out of shame
theHoundLivessss | 17 hours ago
They lose on purpose because that is better to them than tacking left like the voter base wants.
SuspiciousMap9630 | a day ago
I’m sure the hollow corpse of the Democratic Party will save us from all this. Any day now…any day.
DL505 | a day ago
Would love folk's thoughts on this:
Tariffs are being implemented by the USA government for a single reason, and it is not to re-shore manufacturing.
It is a forced consumer bail out of the government.
Tariffs -> Government pockets
Products go up and the consumer pays 85-95% of the increased cost.
thoughts?
spinningcolours | a day ago
Or it’s simple human greed.
Lutnick’s sons made a lot of money on the last set of tariffs, and he then came in at the last minute to make outlandish demands that made Canada walk away from the negotiations. One family will make billions, off the backs of the US taxpayers who will pay the tariffs.
Fortune covered this:
Meet the quiet winners of the Supreme Court tariff ruling: hedge funds creating a $100 billion market snapping up rights to importers’ tariff refunds
https://fortune.com/2026/03/07/winners-supreme-court-tariff-ruling-hedge-funds-creating-100-billion-secondary-market-refunds-brandon-howard-lutnick
Stanwich79 | a day ago
Billionaires don't care about what county they live in. They are dividing America to piece it off. They will suck the citizens dry. Then they'll come for Canada. This is a class war.
SuspiciousMap9630 | a day ago
Likely why Thiel has already moved on to Argentina.
AverageSasquatch | 19 hours ago
Not left vs right so much as up vs down. The French knew what to do in the late 1700s
meeyeam | a day ago
It's trickle up economics.
Companies push costs to consumers. Then, when the tariffs are made illegal, the tariffs go back to the companies.
Since they can't pass the value back to the consumers and it's too late to invest in capital, they buy back stock.
Executive compensation goes up. Shareholder value goes up. Employees and customers see nothing.
Hank3hellbilly | a day ago
don't forget the convenient excuse for price increases that will stay long after the tariffs are gone.
KnowerOfUnknowable | a day ago
You mean like tax?
ChiefWiggum101 | a day ago
Hahahaha. The money isn’t going to the government, it’s going to trumps pockets.
The tariffs are extortion by the Trump administration paid by the tax payer.
Trump unilaterally makes your goods cost more in my country, unless you do the following:
It’s just a bargaining chip he is using for his personal enrichment. Look at trumps recent wealth accumulation and look at the governments debt and you will see where the money is going. Into Trump and his donors pockets.
RashmaDu | a day ago
I really don’t think it’s that deep. When you say bailing out, do you mean the deficit? The tariffs will never make a dent, especially if they will keep being ruled illegal. What do you mean by “government pockets”? If you mean “Howard Lutnick and sons will make a killing betting on the tariffs” then sure, but that doesn’t seem to be what you are referring to
DL505 | 17 hours ago
General government revenue. I did not consider the obvious bullshit Lutnick is involved with.
RashmaDu | 17 hours ago
Even setting aside the corrupt schemes, it genuinely cannot do anything for government revenues either, because tariff revenue is minuscule compared to the deficit
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
I agree. Trump wants those tariffs in order to pay for the deficit so ordinary people shoulder that burden and not tech bros and various corporations and billionaires
RashmaDu | a day ago
That is absolutely not what Trump wants. The tariffs will not make anything approaching a minuscule dent in the deficit (setting aside the fact that most of them are still illegal and will be reimbursed), so this is nonsensincal. And in any case, Trump has clearly shown he does not care about the deficit in the slightest, nor does anyone in his admin.
It’s really much simpler: Trump can post “I TARIFF you 500%” on Truth Social whenever a foreign leader annoys him slightly, feel like a big strong man, and not suffer any direct consequences. And then if his cronies can make some money on the side betting on the tariffs, that’s a bonus (whether or not that’s his objective, it’s very clear members of his admin such as Lutnick do this).
BigTwobah | a day ago
You don’t understand anything if you think those tariffs will pay for the deficit.
Aqual07 | 19 hours ago
No, this isn’t how sovereign nations with fiat currencies work. Governments are not run like businesses or households - the rules of the game are completely different.
A government with a fiat currency has the power to print as much money as it wants. Of course, There are inflationary consequences. Governments generate revenue as one of the main methods of combatting inflation. Taxes are money that is taken out of the system.
It is intuitive to think that taxes are money raised that the government can spend. But that’s not true for countries with fiat currencies. Taxes are a symbolic blood offering that affirms the value of the dollar.
DL505 | 17 hours ago
If they keep printing money what happens to their ability to issue debt?
If I owned $500B of treasuries, Canada for instance, and the issuer of debt prints money then the fiat currency takes a beating -> This decreases the value of my holdings in my home currency.
If I know money printing is happening, and will happen in the future, what will I demand for yields? Much higher.
Aqual07 | 14 hours ago
Yes, those are inflationary consequences.
Chipay | a day ago
You're thinking about this wrong, imo.
The overall goal is the subjugation of Canada and keeping China out of America's new, reduced sphere of influence. Other actors in Trump's team (as well as Trump himself) will use the opportunity to enrich themselves while doing it.
RashmaDu | 17 hours ago
There is no "overall goal", my god. Trump is an incompetent moron who makes up his plans on the fly when he wakes up in the morning. He has no concept of long term strategic planning, and has surrounded himself with people who won't force him to.
He's making decisions as he goes to make himself feel strong and to make a lot of money. It's really not that deep, stop trying to scry the tea leaves that are his posts when it's extremely clear what he is: a venal, petulant, impatient, moron
Chipay | 14 hours ago
I'm not talking about Trump but Vance.
Vance is 100% convinced that the US is in terminal decline and must retreat from the world and secure its own sphere of influence, cede Europe to Russia and Asia to China. I think you're being too short-sighted in thinking that Trump does random stuff instead of being manipulated into making decisions by others who try to spin it to him as being tough and heroic.
DL505 | 17 hours ago
I never mentioned Canada.
Trumps admin has tariffed the world. I believe it is a method to squeeze the USA consumer to help raise revenues for the USA via taxing the shit out of the citizens....
RashmaDu | 17 hours ago
This won't work! Tariff revenue is tiny, and trump very clearly doesn't care about revenues. The explanation is much simpler: Trump likes tariffs because they make him feel strong and can make him money
PlanetCosmoX | a day ago
Yeah, you’re just flat out wrong.
You’d think that in an economics forum you’d learn basic economics before posting.
How about you ask the Ai how you’re flat out wrong, it’ll teach you a thing or two.
DL505 | 17 hours ago
I like to engage with humans, even folks like yourself who outsource their thinking to AI.
Do you have any of your own thoughts to add why I am "flat out wrong"?
- Tariffs are borne by the consumer -> Fact unless you buy into the garbage Trump and Bessent were selling
- Tariffs go into general revenues and do reduce deficits -> Fact
- Debt burden in the USA is driven by deficits -> Fact
RashmaDu | 17 hours ago
Fact: tariff revenue is minuscule and will not ever stand a chance of making a dent in the deficit without being large enough to genuinely destroy the economy.
And in any case: Trump doesn't care about the deficit, neither do republicans! Why would he out an extremely damaging policy in place for something he doesn't care about?
He just likes them because they're personal, make him feel strong, and enable him to make money on the side. It's that simple, don't try to look for a deep strategy here
PlanetCosmoX | 14 hours ago
You can’t engage because you’re uneducated.
The Ai will summarize the facts for you so that you can “catch up” and then contribute.
IfOJDidIt | a day ago
Pump and dump.
Oh wait, that's the other team.
Carney should leak some false Intel thru Jamil and watch Polymarket to see if anything spikes just before his announcement.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
I'm tired of this bs and establishment Democrats impotence. I can't afford it.
This long time Democrat is NOT voting for any establishment Democrat in this or the next election cycle especially those who are working with Republicans unless there is no one else on the ballot. We need a change and establishment Democrats like Schumer and Jeffries aren't it.
DonnieBlueberry | a day ago
What is this word salad lol
How old are you? Were you even of age to vote last election? Your strategy does not work.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
I see Harris won and the Democrats having a majority in congress and progressives in control of the Supreme Court
DonnieBlueberry | a day ago
What are you going on about? The reason why none of that is true is because democrats didn’t show up to vote because people like you didn’t vote for dems. Understood smart ass?
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
Why didn't they vote? Because tgere was nothing to get excited about and tgat they saw that the candidates on the ballot would keep the status quo?
DonnieBlueberry | a day ago
Yea, and you know exactly where they got you. Because your horrible attempt to be a troll clearly showed us you know exactly what happened.
Edit:
Actually you ain’t even trolling. You probably believe that not voting Democrat down ballot is smart.
Tell me how did that work in 2016? 2024?
Remind me what happened in 2020?
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
I said this long time Democrat is NOT voting for any establishment Democrat in this or the next election cycle especially those who are working with Republicans unless there is no one else on the ballot. We need a change and establishment Democrats like Schumer and Jeffries aren't it.
I didn't say I was sitting it out
CertainCertainties | a day ago
You're so sick of the chaos, corruption and incompetence of Republicans that you are splitting the vote for Democrats to help Republicans win. I'm sure that will help.
That's 4D chess right there, Mr Dunning Kruger.
pepperedmaplebacon | a day ago
Voting for the same capitulating democrats at this point is a vote for republicans
Doctrina_Stabilitas | a day ago
It really isn’t, because at the end of the day even those establishment Democrats didn’t do all this shit during Biden’s term
Voting for no one is voting for more of trump
Perhaps as an Albertan you want UCP to win more so that Alberta can be America’s newest state, that’s the only reason I can think you’d write your comment
pepperedmaplebacon | a day ago
LOL Biden didn’t take off Trumps first tariffs Democrats are capitulators plan and simple. As an Albertan where in my comments have I ever been pro republican traitor which is what the UCP are. Peter Lougheed would be disgusted by Albertans now.
Doctrina_Stabilitas | a day ago
Somehow Alberta NDP are even less effective than the democrats but I don’t go around Alberta’s threads saying “you shouldn’t vote Alberta NDP because they’re capitulators plain and simple”
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
Establishment Democrats set the stage for this mess by doing nothing during Biden’s term in office.
Doctrina_Stabilitas | a day ago
not voting because that’s your only option is a vote for trump, Canadians have this figured out last election when a bunch of NDP switched to liberals to make sure Poilievre didn’t win and now they have a real fighter against trump because they knew not to split the vote
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
The US isn't doing anything because Democrats are too afraid to take a stand against Trump. They may run against him but there is no solidifying message. They think that by doing so they might lose the election. They need to take a clue from Canada
Doctrina_Stabilitas | a day ago
Still not a reason to not vote for whoever is on the dem ticket, punishing someone already losing to the one that’s causing all the pain is surely a way to heal
RashmaDu | a day ago
Dems didn’t do nothing during Biden’s term, they passed several large good acts.
And in any case, it’s still the better option to vote for Dems over Trump if that’s the choice you are given. It’s really quite simple.
notnatasharostova | a day ago
How exactly do you expect Democrats to be able to do anything about this when people like you cannot be assed to show up to vote them into a sufficient majority?
PineBNorth85 | a day ago
When they had majorities they did fuck all with them
Intelligent-Gur6847 | a day ago
Great idea! Worked last time!
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
Harris, Biden and the rest of the faied to deliver. We don't need the same old, same old. we need change and fresh blood and a fresh perspective that focuses on the average person not billionaires
RashmaDu | a day ago
We can agree Harris etc are far from ideal. Would you prefer Harris or Trump? Because that’s what was on the ballot.
BigTwobah | a day ago
So your solution is to keep republicans in office. My lord. Go back to school.
unobtrusiveaffluence | a day ago
i don’t say this often, but are you dense?
1_________________11 | a day ago
This is confusing as fuck. Shit i hate them to but only way to win this is vote your conscious in primaries and blue no matter who in the general man.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
We need to solidify behind something other than the crap that got us Trump
1_________________11 | a day ago
Agreed the feckless policies that dems have been supporting mainly the establishment dems need to change and we do that by threatening their seats in the primaries. Pulling them to move more in line with what working class workers need once we start improving the lives of working class americans and make that the bastion of the democratic party a trump like individual wouldn't be able to win.
Dstln | a day ago
I... what?
What?
Are you okay?
zlex | a day ago
Am I old? Because I am pretty sure that the left wing of the party traditionally hated NAFTA and was a huge proponent of protectionism and tariffs
PineBNorth85 | a day ago
If you remember the NAFTA fight you are getting up there. Happened shortly after my birth and im pushing 40.
Prudent-Thought7750 | a day ago
Score another one for the chart
GhostofBeowulf | a day ago
I mean, this is apropos during the primaries. During the general, you're just wasting your vote.
This is the same fallacy the principled centrist operates on.
tychaiitea | a day ago
First time?
LillianWigglewater | a day ago
This "two party" system is corrupt to the core. You can vote third party or write in your candidate of choice, but it won't matter. Real change can only come from a revolution at this point, but that isn't going to happen until this country has been mired in an endless destructive depression for a while. The bread and circuses are still too good right now.
Test-NetConnection | a day ago
So much this. When you have fascists in the Whitehouse, literally tearing it down, it is unacceptable that the neoliberals are "trying to find common ground." Fuck Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer for legitimizing corruption and refusing to stand up for the rule of law.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
Exactly that Supreme Court changed my attitude. We need people in there who are actually looking after the health and well-being of the average person and bringing it to fruition
thomasscat | a day ago
You’re totally right, let’s bash the democrats as the only party with agency through this mess so people abstain again and we get more fascism! Great plan!
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
Its time for establishment Democrats to pass the torch.
Test-NetConnection | a day ago
Votes are earned, not given. Being the lesser or two evils isn't enough. Do-nothing, neoliberal democrats are the reason trump got elected not once, but twice. Also, define "agency". From what I can tell the democratic leadership is doing fuck all.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
I agree. It's too important for our allies and the United States not to shift gears .
Bitter-Variation-151 | 13 hours ago
Carney should have stood up to trump and demanded more revenue from the bridge. Canada paid for 100% of it. But he caved to trump at 50% of the revenue.
He begged premiers to put booze back on shelf and still couldn't get a deal. Carney walked, USA didn't. The dollar for dollar tarrifs on sept 8 will never happen. Why? Because carney will sign a deal from trumpy after the bi elections next week. Carney can't risk those ridings with a signed deal because it would piss off his tds voters. They'd run to ndp and Green Party when carney signs over to trump. Carney walking away was all theatre for these bi elections.
91% of carneys assets are in the USA. Along with his kids in university there. Carney knows feeding tds to Canadians secures him more power but Canada will collapse without the USA. So he will cave to trump next week. I promise you that.
Recent_Lack6384 | 17 hours ago
These tariffs Canada are announcing are purely political because it will not improve its position in negotiations in the slightest as evident by the fact that Carney was about to sign a deal that was basically the same from well over a year ago despite Canadas tariffs on us goods and alcohol bans. I mean Adam Smith said it best when he implied that retaliation tariffs are more damaging to one's own economy and are pointless if it doesn't result in tariffs being lifted by the other country which it won't in this case.
jtmn | a day ago
Isn't a main argument Trump = Dumb because his citizens suffer from inflation re/ Tariffs?
Then why TF would we want to make our stuff more expensive?
Average people in Canada don't even realize that import costs have nothing to do with Trump's Tariffs; it's our governments' policy.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
Trump has to pay for his war.
lastunivers | 19 hours ago
How is making Canadian consumer pay more making Trump pay?
jtmn | 9 hours ago
My comment is downvoted because people have no clue what is going on.
[OP] One-Emu-1103 | a day ago
I believe that Trump is putting those tariffs on Canada because Trump needs to pay for his war with Iran and he percieves Canada as being week.
whoisnotinmykitchen | 22 hours ago
Tariffs are paid by the importers. Just another tax on the poors.
Heavy-Juice51 | 18 hours ago
Correct but they money still goes to your government. I don't agree with the idea that the tarrifs are to pay for the Iran war but wanted to clarify that for you, and encourage you to enhance your level of reading comprehension.
Bitter-Variation-151 | a day ago
A deal will be signed next week. After the bi elections in Canada. Carney will concede to trump as usual so be can't sign before his seats are locked up. You heard it here first.
RelishedCrab | 22 hours ago
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Bitter-Variation-151 | 21 hours ago
I have. But you haven't. Carney has conceded 50% of the bridge revenue , the dst, us alcohol,retaliatory tariffs. With nothing in return.
RelishedCrab | 21 hours ago
Bridge deal was shit, agreed. 50% of the profits for the first 15 years. Better to leave it closed? Probably not. I don’t know.
Digital Sales Tax. Also shitty, yes. But this, just like Carney asking to put US liquor back, was to preemptively help facilitate the trade deals that they just walked out of.
Your last point is just, ‘retaliatory tariffs’. Are you saying Carney hasn’t matched the US’ tariffs?
If Carney concedes to trump ‘as usual’, he would have agreed to all their terms and fed us to the USA. Instead he walked, and has said he will match all the tariffs imposed on us.
Would I prefer for Carney to just block Trump and have nothing to do with him until he’s reasonable? Absolutely. But that’s not realistic. We’re going to have to make sacrifices while we deal with this bat shit insane administration.
HackD1234 | 22 hours ago
The bi-election in which the libs are expected to win 2 of 3 seats, gaining a majority government? That bi-election?
Resident_Window_9369 | a day ago
Is Canada biting the hand that feeds them?
Canada exports around 75% of their goods into the US. The US export around 15% of their goods into Canada. We definitely need to stand up however we also need to have a plan as we wean off of the US for our exports. We need to make sure that there are other deals out there with other countries to take our exports.
Psyclist80 | a day ago
That's what the US is trying to leverage against us. We have had a good relationship for a long time and has led to ever increasing integration. That's now over, and we will work to diversify away and hopefully come out of this economically stronger. I'm ready to endure the pain of not giving up our sovereignty. A fight that I'm not backing away from.
Resident_Window_9369 | a day ago
I stand with you on that one. But let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot.
Hopefully our leaders can negotiate a deal with other countries to take our dependency off the USA.
cjcfman | a day ago
All this tariff stuff is about the 5% of canadian to us exports not covered under Cusma. The other 95% is still under free trade. Its not worth the serious concessions over 5%
Also Carney and Canada have been signing trade deals like crazy with a bunch of other big countries. It's just gotta take time to get rolling
Resident_Window_9369 | a day ago
Good point.
BuvantduPotatoSpirit | a day ago
For the time being, but there's a time limit to get a lot of additional port capacity built.
Chipay | a day ago
The US demand is a veto on all future and current Canadian trade deals, you can't wean yourself off American dependence with that constraint. A trade war is the only way out
TheGreatStories | a day ago
Man I hope you're just a kid and not a voter
Resident_Window_9369 | 19 hours ago
Man, I wish you would just keep your assumptions to yourself. If something bothers you move on.
HackD1234 | 22 hours ago
I guess we should shut off the oil taps.. that will take care of the Trade deficit.