Glad they touched on how South Asians are predominantly non-Christian (Hindu, Muslim, Sikh) and the religious bigotry aimed towards those groups with a country that is headed towards Christian nationalism.
The religion hasn’t really ever been tolerant and as a South Asian agnostic with relatives being devout Hindus, Sikhs, to staunch atheists it’s concerning that people who aren’t indigenous to this land are trying to make claims to citizenship through a Middle Eastern religion.
> At the same time, a number of administration policies, particularly those related to the H-1B visa program, have disproportionately impacted South Asians who account for the majority of H-1B visa holders
Including this weakens the argument. Restricting the H1-B program is not an example of South Asian "hate" just because it happens to be used by South Asians.
There's plenty of other examples to draw one but that one falls flat.
> Restricting the H1-B program is not an example of South Asian "hate" just because it happens to be used by South Asians.
The companies falsely using HB-1 when there are plenty of qualified people living in the US are at fault, they want to pay less and have a completely compliant worker who won't complain, quit, or ask for a raise. We should hate the companies trying to get over by using the cheapest labor available not the workers who will gladly take 5x their country's average salary.
🤷♀️ most of the H1Bs I work with are more qualified and better than the American workers. They’re often hired because there aren’t qualified Americans.
this is the party line from the companies so they can justify hiring via HB1, if they found workers in the US they couldn't use HB1 to get a cheaper candidate who won't job hop.
Except it doesn’t seem like they are really saying that just restricting the H-1B program alone is an individual example of South Asian hate. There’s a lot of other context before and after that snippet.
The overall point seems to be is that this particular policy change is happening in concert with other actions, rhetoric etc from this administration.
And they later basically say this pretty much explicitly:
“Intandemwith policy and the exercise of force, President Trump and his administration have employed inflammatory rhetoric and imagery against South Asians”
So these events aren’t happening in a vacuum, unrelated. Sure, if this was simply an H1-B policy decision happening in isolation to benefit folks, then no, it certainly would not make it an example of “South Asian hate.”
The policy/change itself may have very legitimate justifications while at the same time being promoted alongside overtly racist messaging about the group associated with it (in this case H1-B) . Which is what seems to be happening here.
And It’s these multiple things in combination that they basically argue “have contributed to a climate” of racism against South Asians, (H1-B or not) where that hostility can become “sanctioned and approved as patriotic sentiment.”
I’m an American born South Asian. I don’t necessarily think that everyone who supports H1-B changes etc is racist. Nor does it mean the individual policy change itself is racist.
But I think we can acknowledge that very real concerns or legit policy discussions/changes can/are used as a tool through which overt racism can be normalized, unfortunately.
I disagree - Given the amount of disinformation and racist vitriol around the H1B discourse right now, this should be included given how it's been weaponized against Indians in particular.
I'm glad its being brought up to some extent now. As an Indian I feel abandoned by most of the world at this point. The right is drifting to white supremacy. The left seems to stand up against bigotry when it comes to other races or identities but is happy to ignore or even be complicit in spreading ugly stereotypes about Indians. Every racist from every country on the planet seems to have landed on India as the designated target and we don't yet have enough organized resistance to push back.
Volume's a big part of if. The US gets disproportionate attention for its issues because it's a dominant global power.
Similarly, concerns about any foreign country are magnified by that countries size. And there's 1.5 billion of you.
You're the biggest foreign born population in Canada, the UK, and Australia, second biggest in the US, third biggest (by a tiny margin) in new zealand.
So, sadly, your diaspora creates a disproportionate impact via sheer volume. And you'll be focussed on as a result.
Your last sentence nails it. Whenever I listen to South Asians talk about the insane amount of bigotry against them, there's always this element of "other marginalized identities get support but not us". I get where it comes from, but that framing feels like a another form of racial competition.
Bc as someone from one of those "other races or identities" the left stands up for, we have had to advocate for ourselves in these spaces in order to get that reaction and it's still not perfect. Bringing us into it at all, then framing the support we get as an unfair privilege and not the result of the work we've done for ourselves doesn't feel right to me.
Your last sentence is it. You don't have enough organized resistance. I don't see a lot of south Asians in leftist spaces in the US. I don't see a lot of south Asians talking about this online like at a level to push it to the mainstream. That's what you need. If you're from a marginalized community, no one is coming to save you unfortunately. My community knows this intimately.
JenningsWigService | 6 hours ago
There has been a massive uptick of hatred against South Asians in Canada too in the last 5 years.
pisowiec | 14 hours ago
This is a global development. South Asians, especially Indians, are being facing an incredible social media campaign against them.
It's strange how this study ignores TikTok and Instagram which is where the propaganda is aimed at young people the most.
seiryuu-abi | 17 hours ago
Glad they touched on how South Asians are predominantly non-Christian (Hindu, Muslim, Sikh) and the religious bigotry aimed towards those groups with a country that is headed towards Christian nationalism.
The religion hasn’t really ever been tolerant and as a South Asian agnostic with relatives being devout Hindus, Sikhs, to staunch atheists it’s concerning that people who aren’t indigenous to this land are trying to make claims to citizenship through a Middle Eastern religion.
hahasadface | 17 hours ago
> At the same time, a number of administration policies, particularly those related to the H-1B visa program, have disproportionately impacted South Asians who account for the majority of H-1B visa holders
Including this weakens the argument. Restricting the H1-B program is not an example of South Asian "hate" just because it happens to be used by South Asians.
There's plenty of other examples to draw one but that one falls flat.
bannana | 16 hours ago
> Restricting the H1-B program is not an example of South Asian "hate" just because it happens to be used by South Asians.
The companies falsely using HB-1 when there are plenty of qualified people living in the US are at fault, they want to pay less and have a completely compliant worker who won't complain, quit, or ask for a raise. We should hate the companies trying to get over by using the cheapest labor available not the workers who will gladly take 5x their country's average salary.
AskingYouQuestions48 | 2 hours ago
🤷♀️ most of the H1Bs I work with are more qualified and better than the American workers. They’re often hired because there aren’t qualified Americans.
bannana | 2 hours ago
this is the party line from the companies so they can justify hiring via HB1, if they found workers in the US they couldn't use HB1 to get a cheaper candidate who won't job hop.
Frogiie | 12 hours ago
Except it doesn’t seem like they are really saying that just restricting the H-1B program alone is an individual example of South Asian hate. There’s a lot of other context before and after that snippet.
The overall point seems to be is that this particular policy change is happening in concert with other actions, rhetoric etc from this administration.
And they later basically say this pretty much explicitly:
“In tandem with policy and the exercise of force, President Trump and his administration have employed inflammatory rhetoric and imagery against South Asians”
So these events aren’t happening in a vacuum, unrelated. Sure, if this was simply an H1-B policy decision happening in isolation to benefit folks, then no, it certainly would not make it an example of “South Asian hate.”
The policy/change itself may have very legitimate justifications while at the same time being promoted alongside overtly racist messaging about the group associated with it (in this case H1-B) . Which is what seems to be happening here.
And It’s these multiple things in combination that they basically argue “have contributed to a climate” of racism against South Asians, (H1-B or not) where that hostility can become “sanctioned and approved as patriotic sentiment.”
I’m an American born South Asian. I don’t necessarily think that everyone who supports H1-B changes etc is racist. Nor does it mean the individual policy change itself is racist.
But I think we can acknowledge that very real concerns or legit policy discussions/changes can/are used as a tool through which overt racism can be normalized, unfortunately.
[OP] Nandu_alias_Parthu | 16 hours ago
I disagree - Given the amount of disinformation and racist vitriol around the H1B discourse right now, this should be included given how it's been weaponized against Indians in particular.
secure8890 | 17 hours ago
Really if you go to tech conference there is no shortage of south Asians. Have you been to the silicon Valley there are whole companies of h1b visas.
confusedquokka | an hour ago
Right that’s also ridiculous
idfk78 | 5 hours ago
Everywhere online im seeing absurd amounts of hate against Indians I was wondering where the fuck it came from
secure8890 | 17 hours ago
Trump plugged into racism and keeps at it.
stonerbobo | 16 hours ago
I'm glad its being brought up to some extent now. As an Indian I feel abandoned by most of the world at this point. The right is drifting to white supremacy. The left seems to stand up against bigotry when it comes to other races or identities but is happy to ignore or even be complicit in spreading ugly stereotypes about Indians. Every racist from every country on the planet seems to have landed on India as the designated target and we don't yet have enough organized resistance to push back.
ToocrazyforFlorida | 14 hours ago
Volume's a big part of if. The US gets disproportionate attention for its issues because it's a dominant global power.
Similarly, concerns about any foreign country are magnified by that countries size. And there's 1.5 billion of you.
You're the biggest foreign born population in Canada, the UK, and Australia, second biggest in the US, third biggest (by a tiny margin) in new zealand.
So, sadly, your diaspora creates a disproportionate impact via sheer volume. And you'll be focussed on as a result.
illstrumental | 4 hours ago
Your last sentence nails it. Whenever I listen to South Asians talk about the insane amount of bigotry against them, there's always this element of "other marginalized identities get support but not us". I get where it comes from, but that framing feels like a another form of racial competition.
Bc as someone from one of those "other races or identities" the left stands up for, we have had to advocate for ourselves in these spaces in order to get that reaction and it's still not perfect. Bringing us into it at all, then framing the support we get as an unfair privilege and not the result of the work we've done for ourselves doesn't feel right to me.
Your last sentence is it. You don't have enough organized resistance. I don't see a lot of south Asians in leftist spaces in the US. I don't see a lot of south Asians talking about this online like at a level to push it to the mainstream. That's what you need. If you're from a marginalized community, no one is coming to save you unfortunately. My community knows this intimately.
SustainedSuspense | 16 hours ago
I too am anti-south Asian hate
InsaneComicBooker | 11 hours ago
At this point these websites need to be just removed, they are more harm than good.