It's anecdotal, but my SO's oncologist says that he's worried about how many cases of colon cancer he's seeing for those age under 35.
He even half-jokingly suggested that even though we're just in our early 30s, it won't do us any harm to go through a colonoscopy. Or if we're not willing to cut down on our red meat, at least eat a ton more vegetables and fiber and to drink water.
There's pretty much nowhere in the world where this isn't true though. No one is just handing out free colonoscopies for people under 35. They probably should, but they aren't.
I'm living in Guangdong, China right now and you can get it for free as early as 30.
It's not supposed to be free until you're 40, but if you just tell them that there's a history in your family of colorectal issues, they'll just let you do it. They don't even verify it.
That is BS. I got it in Asia when I was in my 20s. You just pay for the procedure (which is not that expensive by the way) and they'll do it for you. It's the same for all other medical treatment over there, pay for the goods, get the goods. Wild concept.
Google shows it's about $2400 on average. Personally I think that is not cheap, but I would not call it extremely expensive either. If I thought I was at risk, I would happily pay that for peace of mind or to get treatment started early.
My household makes more than that. Medical bills, debt, kids, cost of living, emergencies we’ve had, etc makes that money go bye bye fast , we can’t just shell out 2 grand for something. I’d argue most Americans can’t either.
As a Canadian, I literally traveled to the US for mine. The triage system put me with over a year long wait due to my age. I had the option to travel to a different province and pay $4,000 CAD to get it done, or drive to the US and pay $2,000 including travel and lodging.
You can literally get a colonoscopy for just $1,100 or so in the US through ColonoscopyAssist. Nothing like this exists in Canada. The US has it much better off for this sort of thing. I like the single payer system in Canada, but current legislation makes it incredibly difficult for any sort of private market to exist.
You can just phone them. It is surprisingly easy to do. You’ll need a US address to mail stuff to, though. Their phone wait times are super short, but they have an NFL player saying “I hope your colonoscopy goes as smoothly as my touchdown dances.” It’s hilarious lol
Not even about if it's walk in or not, most insurance won't cover the exam if you're under the established age threshold which seems to be too high for current trends
And no national healthcare plans will either. They don't care about you on the individual level; they crunch numbers until they get to the point where enough people would require expensive cancer treatment if they didn't get a colonoscopy.
Insurance will make up any reason not to cover it or pay any portion. If it's not age restrictions they'll claim some bullshit about investigation vs diagnosis.
Being under the age gate with family history and without symptoms? Covered and partially paid for.
Under the age gate and any symptoms? Fuck you, figure it out yourself.
They might be more inclined to give you a stool test first, and if blood is present they will give you the colonoscopy. I’m 38 and just had two polyps removed.
I was only able to get one (covered by insurance) because I had basically a year of an unresolved pain that was suspected to be GI related but they couldn't find anything.
Turns out it was unrelated but they still found a polyp and removed it. Now I'm scheduled for one every five years. Don't like thinking about how I might have had to wait until 35 or 40.
Less red meat is very likely not going to change anything. Boomers ate wayyy more red meat than the newer generations. Something else is the factor here
100%. This is the narrative being spun. This whole post along with many of the comments are industry narrative. They want us to believe it’s red meat and obesity. Obesity is not driving the rise in colon cancer rates. Many getting it today are a healthy bmi. And correct that eating red meat was way more common in the boomer generation. There’s actually been a decline. Consumption of red meat has dropped by 30-35%. Look at all these posts coming out now about colon cancer and profiles pushing them. You’ll see over and over ‘it’s obesity’ ‘it’s the processed food’, ‘eat more fiber’. And anyone calling them out will be followed by a tag team of replies trying to shift the narrative away from the truth.
Land developers and the cancer cure industry don’t want us finding the cause. It would change the way land grading and suburban communities are built putting forth many regulations or stopping it completely. The cancer cure industry is making hundreds of billions of dollars in treatments.
Legacy pesticides. Land with orchard or agriculture history. Chemicals used were banned decades ago but never degrade. Still as toxic today. When land grading happens when communities are being built, these toxins are brought back into the environment. We then breathe it in through airborne dust. If you’ve had colon cancer in your 40s, look back at the history of the land where you lived. Look at the year major land development happened. Many can trace back to this crucial window of being exposed as a child. There’s then a long latency period before cancer shows up as an adult.
Lead arsenate and DDT are 2 of the most catastrophic toxins to ever be used on earth.
Interesting. What kind of major land development? I had two small neighborhoods in a rural town pop up next to my childhood home. Before that, one of them was for sure farmland in the 90s. The other might have been farm land in the 60s or 70s, possibly. Would those qualify in your assessment? What should one be looking for and do you have more information you could point me towards?
Only in America is that a "joke". Young people in their 20s routinely get it in Asia. You can book an appoint today and get the procedure done a few days later after you prepped. How I know? Been through that when I was 25 for bloating and saw loads of young people there as well.
This whole "you should only get colonoscopy when you are in your 40s/50s" is just pure American incompetence dressed up through the language of science.
You can get a colonscopy at any age. Just do it, it's painless.
How did you get your doctor to order you one? Mine said that someone my age can't get one unless I had severe symptoms that would probably mean it's already too late
There's a non-invasive test. Smear poo on a test patch seal it all up and mail it in. Abnormal indicates a colonoscopy. Not sure what the other results are (guess which I got).
>Cases of seven types of cancer have risen sharply among younger people in England, major new research has found, prompting warnings that lifestyle choices are costing thousands of lives each year.
>Experts said the figures reflected the growing global obesity epidemic, poor diets and insufficient exercise, as well as growing awareness of cancer and earlier diagnosis.
I know I sound weird (and maybe senile!), but back in the days if you got heartbroken or similar, you would process it mentally, obsess for a bit and then get over.
These days you numb yourself in digital devices, but then in the evening all of it falls on you and you get sleep issues.
Yeah I think ironically the fact that we’re super comfortable while being stressed is probably the crux of the problem. The body has natural ways of dealing with stress like fighting or running or even being hurt but all of these are inhibited by modern lifestyles and the information doom loop that is social media. Also no one goes outside anymore. (I am gen z)
Combine obesity and sedentary lifestyle with the increasing environmental toxins and the increased levels of stress we experience in an environment that is fluctuating due to climate change and you may just have the perfect recipe for cancer.
Once we were infected with a disease with a high R number that didn't instantly kill us, our travel habits made it impossible to stop it from turning into a pandemic, yes. But we already traveled enough 100 years ago to be unable to stop a pandemic back then. And yet we somehow managed to reduce the average number of sick people per capita for generations, while the amount travel per capita increased.
Travel is not the reason covid-19 jumped from bats to humans in the first place, nor does it explain other zoonotic diseases. Look humans encroaching on nature for that.
Travel is not the reason for diseases that are highly resistant to anti-biotics. You can blame the meat industry abusing anti-biotics for that one (and probably also for a few of the zoonotic diseases, for that matter). Oh, and climate change is somehow making diseases worse too.
Travel is not the reason why a lot of people are more susceptible to diseases in general now than a generation ago. You can blame the anti-vaxxers, and unwillingness to do physical distancing or wearing masks when sick, an obesity epidemic, a lack of exercise, and steadily worsening diets for a lot of that. Among other things.
It’s being fat and not working out. Every doctor, every study says it. But people will write walls of comments about obscure stuff that is absolutely the reason why …
The only thing this new study emphasizes is that the unhealthy lifestyles are starting a lot earlier in life than used to be the case. And as a survivor of my own lifestyle-caused cancer 20 years ago when I was in my early 40s, it was the first thing my long-ago doctor told me when I asked him what he thought the cause was. He lowered his clipboard and said, "You weigh almost 500 pounds." Apparently that was the only explanation he thought I needed.
This morning's weigh in was 211. I used that cancer scare as motivation to change.
Yeah people used to be pretty trim until middle age and then they gained weight and then the cancers and heart issues ticked up. Now obese young people are common. In some circles it's completely normal to be fat and unusual to be thin.
They literally had pass presidential fitness mandates to get boomers to work out they were so un fit. they weren't fat, but they were weak, puny, and didn't meet military weight standards
Boomers definitely had a better diet though. Eating at home and eating balanced meals was still a thing almost everyone did. I agree they could have been healthier, but boomers didn't grow up eating pure crap. Now the boomers started the trend of feeding their children pure crap, I will concede that.
Are you sure about that?
Boomers grew up in the age of salted everything.
Don’t get me wrong i know we’re full of preservatives now, but the untold amounts of balogna and American cheese would like to have a conversation. lol
I am sure of that. Boomers still had dinner at home that included a meat, veg, potato, etc. I'm sure it could have been healthier, but far too many people today who are now 50 and under didn't even eat that well growing up.
When I begin to wonder why cancers are on the rise in young people I remember the lines of cars snaking around my local McDonald’s. So many people eating such terrible food.
They grow up eating it too. People just have terrible diets. They eat no fiber whatsoever to the point where a few beans at Taco Bell gives them GI issues for the next 24 hours.
That's still not good enough. If I add water to my oats to make oatmeal, I have "added" chemicals. You need to demonstrate what's specifically bad about that.
My sister is a nurse at a GI clinic and has been seeing way more young people with colon cancer or a concerning number of huge polyps than she used to. All the doctors and the other nurses too, they talk about it a lot. All my sister has to say is for the love of god, eat more fiber. And so I try my best to.
Lexidoge | 8 hours ago
It's anecdotal, but my SO's oncologist says that he's worried about how many cases of colon cancer he's seeing for those age under 35.
He even half-jokingly suggested that even though we're just in our early 30s, it won't do us any harm to go through a colonoscopy. Or if we're not willing to cut down on our red meat, at least eat a ton more vegetables and fiber and to drink water.
kdogman639 | 8 hours ago
It's so lovely in America at least, younger adults can't get a colonoscopy without immense effort or money
Sea-Original-5824 | 7 hours ago
There's pretty much nowhere in the world where this isn't true though. No one is just handing out free colonoscopies for people under 35. They probably should, but they aren't.
Lexidoge | 7 hours ago
I'm living in Guangdong, China right now and you can get it for free as early as 30.
It's not supposed to be free until you're 40, but if you just tell them that there's a history in your family of colorectal issues, they'll just let you do it. They don't even verify it.
Strong_Boy_757 | 4 hours ago
I got it around 200 USD, also around Guangdong.
Uninsured BTW.
Strong_Boy_757 | 4 hours ago
That is BS. I got it in Asia when I was in my 20s. You just pay for the procedure (which is not that expensive by the way) and they'll do it for you. It's the same for all other medical treatment over there, pay for the goods, get the goods. Wild concept.
Sea-Original-5824 | 4 hours ago
And you can pay for it in the US too! Wild concept.
Aggressive_Let2085 | 4 hours ago
It’ll be extremely expensive in the US, though.
Sea-Original-5824 | 4 hours ago
Google shows it's about $2400 on average. Personally I think that is not cheap, but I would not call it extremely expensive either. If I thought I was at risk, I would happily pay that for peace of mind or to get treatment started early.
Aggressive_Let2085 | 4 hours ago
For the average American that’s extremely expensive, that’s life changing money for my family.
Sea-Original-5824 | 4 hours ago
You must be poor then. Median household income is $87,000. This would be about 3% of a household's annual income.
Aggressive_Let2085 | 4 hours ago
My household makes more than that. Medical bills, debt, kids, cost of living, emergencies we’ve had, etc makes that money go bye bye fast , we can’t just shell out 2 grand for something. I’d argue most Americans can’t either.
Professional-Fun-838 | an hour ago
What an incredibly callous response.
illusion-spark | 3 hours ago
You must be naive and obtuse then.
YeetHub | 2 hours ago
As a Canadian, I literally traveled to the US for mine. The triage system put me with over a year long wait due to my age. I had the option to travel to a different province and pay $4,000 CAD to get it done, or drive to the US and pay $2,000 including travel and lodging.
You can literally get a colonoscopy for just $1,100 or so in the US through ColonoscopyAssist. Nothing like this exists in Canada. The US has it much better off for this sort of thing. I like the single payer system in Canada, but current legislation makes it incredibly difficult for any sort of private market to exist.
voldin91 | an hour ago
Do you need an order/referral to get one through the Colonoscpy Assist program or can you just schedule your own without a doctor?
YeetHub | an hour ago
You can just phone them. It is surprisingly easy to do. You’ll need a US address to mail stuff to, though. Their phone wait times are super short, but they have an NFL player saying “I hope your colonoscopy goes as smoothly as my touchdown dances.” It’s hilarious lol
smokedfishfriday | 8 hours ago
Where in the world are they offered as a walk-in service?
kdogman639 | 7 hours ago
Not even about if it's walk in or not, most insurance won't cover the exam if you're under the established age threshold which seems to be too high for current trends
Sea-Original-5824 | 7 hours ago
And no national healthcare plans will either. They don't care about you on the individual level; they crunch numbers until they get to the point where enough people would require expensive cancer treatment if they didn't get a colonoscopy.
the_unknown_garden | 3 hours ago
Insurance will make up any reason not to cover it or pay any portion. If it's not age restrictions they'll claim some bullshit about investigation vs diagnosis.
Being under the age gate with family history and without symptoms? Covered and partially paid for.
Under the age gate and any symptoms? Fuck you, figure it out yourself.
Sea-Original-5824 | 7 hours ago
Nowhere, and Canada has an even higher age for getting them.
thepastisdeadandgone | 6 hours ago
They might be more inclined to give you a stool test first, and if blood is present they will give you the colonoscopy. I’m 38 and just had two polyps removed.
BinjaNinja1 | 3 hours ago
Cancer care Canada sends the stool test automatically when you reach 40 or 45 (I can’t remember) and you mail it back. Free of charge.
Clevererer | 7 hours ago
China is pretty close.
Logical_Wheel_1420 | 6 hours ago
I was only able to get one (covered by insurance) because I had basically a year of an unresolved pain that was suspected to be GI related but they couldn't find anything.
Turns out it was unrelated but they still found a polyp and removed it. Now I'm scheduled for one every five years. Don't like thinking about how I might have had to wait until 35 or 40.
Desperate_Bid_1063 | 6 hours ago
Less red meat is very likely not going to change anything. Boomers ate wayyy more red meat than the newer generations. Something else is the factor here
Exciting-Fruit1830 | 3 hours ago
100%. This is the narrative being spun. This whole post along with many of the comments are industry narrative. They want us to believe it’s red meat and obesity. Obesity is not driving the rise in colon cancer rates. Many getting it today are a healthy bmi. And correct that eating red meat was way more common in the boomer generation. There’s actually been a decline. Consumption of red meat has dropped by 30-35%. Look at all these posts coming out now about colon cancer and profiles pushing them. You’ll see over and over ‘it’s obesity’ ‘it’s the processed food’, ‘eat more fiber’. And anyone calling them out will be followed by a tag team of replies trying to shift the narrative away from the truth.
Land developers and the cancer cure industry don’t want us finding the cause. It would change the way land grading and suburban communities are built putting forth many regulations or stopping it completely. The cancer cure industry is making hundreds of billions of dollars in treatments.
Legacy pesticides. Land with orchard or agriculture history. Chemicals used were banned decades ago but never degrade. Still as toxic today. When land grading happens when communities are being built, these toxins are brought back into the environment. We then breathe it in through airborne dust. If you’ve had colon cancer in your 40s, look back at the history of the land where you lived. Look at the year major land development happened. Many can trace back to this crucial window of being exposed as a child. There’s then a long latency period before cancer shows up as an adult.
Lead arsenate and DDT are 2 of the most catastrophic toxins to ever be used on earth.
mementori | 2 hours ago
Interesting. What kind of major land development? I had two small neighborhoods in a rural town pop up next to my childhood home. Before that, one of them was for sure farmland in the 90s. The other might have been farm land in the 60s or 70s, possibly. Would those qualify in your assessment? What should one be looking for and do you have more information you could point me towards?
Mamajuju1217 | 47 minutes ago
ultra processed foods. millenials are the first ones to actually grow up on it.
Strong_Boy_757 | 4 hours ago
Only in America is that a "joke". Young people in their 20s routinely get it in Asia. You can book an appoint today and get the procedure done a few days later after you prepped. How I know? Been through that when I was 25 for bloating and saw loads of young people there as well.
This whole "you should only get colonoscopy when you are in your 40s/50s" is just pure American incompetence dressed up through the language of science.
You can get a colonscopy at any age. Just do it, it's painless.
VKF_Renzel_USA | 3 hours ago
Just had one, I'm 35. All clear "Boring Colon". But the reason why there was no push back on getting one was because of this reason.
voldin91 | an hour ago
How did you get your doctor to order you one? Mine said that someone my age can't get one unless I had severe symptoms that would probably mean it's already too late
VKF_Renzel_USA | 17 minutes ago
I had a 'symptom' that I overblew so I could get one. You can just fabricate symptoms if you want any test done.
rbobby | 21 minutes ago
There's a non-invasive test. Smear poo on a test patch seal it all up and mail it in. Abnormal indicates a colonoscopy. Not sure what the other results are (guess which I got).
[OP] The_Weekend_Baker | 11 hours ago
>Cases of seven types of cancer have risen sharply among younger people in England, major new research has found, prompting warnings that lifestyle choices are costing thousands of lives each year.
>Experts said the figures reflected the growing global obesity epidemic, poor diets and insufficient exercise, as well as growing awareness of cancer and earlier diagnosis.
SvenTropics | 9 hours ago
Microplastics and PFAS perhaps?
Full-Priority2946 | 9 hours ago
Probably stress
Lost_Department_2177 | 8 hours ago
Processed food and stress assists cancers growth.
Complex_Armadillo49 | 9 hours ago
Definitely not the things cited: obesity and lack of exercise
Full-Priority2946 | 9 hours ago
Yeah it’s not like stress can lead to any of those things right
sweetica | 8 hours ago
Stress literally causes cancer. It changes your genes, methylates your histones and rearranges what genes are being expressed by your genome.
Full-Priority2946 | 8 hours ago
Chronic stress also leads to lifestyle changes and depression, which leads to the outcomes described in the paper
Lopsided_Tiger_0296 | 7 hours ago
You know what’s stressful for the body? Being obese
Complex_Armadillo49 | 6 hours ago
Sure, it does... but so does obesity and lack of exercise. I don't understand why you are trying to blame it other things.
SvenTropics | 7 hours ago
It's not like boomers weren't fat too. Something else got added
Complex_Armadillo49 | 6 hours ago
No, they weren't fat, not like we are. Speaking as a morbidly obese person. Boomers were significantly thinner in their 20s-30s.
sacrelicio | 4 hours ago
They're fat now, they were not in their youth
voldin91 | an hour ago
Lots of skinny people get cancer too though
rwe4rl | 7 hours ago
no doubt, with worker productivity being more than double than the 50s https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB
Winter_Apartment_376 | 9 hours ago
And ability to cope.
I know I sound weird (and maybe senile!), but back in the days if you got heartbroken or similar, you would process it mentally, obsess for a bit and then get over.
These days you numb yourself in digital devices, but then in the evening all of it falls on you and you get sleep issues.
Full-Priority2946 | 9 hours ago
Yeah I think ironically the fact that we’re super comfortable while being stressed is probably the crux of the problem. The body has natural ways of dealing with stress like fighting or running or even being hurt but all of these are inhibited by modern lifestyles and the information doom loop that is social media. Also no one goes outside anymore. (I am gen z)
Faolyn | 7 hours ago
Or in the old days, you’d numb yourself with alcohol.
Confident-Peak-8051 | 5 hours ago
As if our forefathers weren't stressed lmao.
Full-Priority2946 | 5 hours ago
“forefathers” get a load of this guy
sweetica | 8 hours ago
Combine obesity and sedentary lifestyle with the increasing environmental toxins and the increased levels of stress we experience in an environment that is fluctuating due to climate change and you may just have the perfect recipe for cancer.
Ok-Spinach-6529 | 7 hours ago
Yup
RoyalZeal | 5 hours ago
Covid plays a huge role in this.
Keji70gsm | 10 hours ago
And... viruses. The advances in travel meant an increase in how often we get sick.
sweetica | 8 hours ago
Yup, Epstein barr, HPV... There is a list of many viruses linked to cancer rates increasing.
Keji70gsm | 8 hours ago
Covid and flu can reawaken dormant cancer cells. Recent finding.
Viruses are just a bad idea in general.
sweetica | 7 hours ago
So true!
vanderZwan | 8 hours ago
Uh, I am fairly confident that there are multiple other, bigger factors than travelling for why people get sick more often than a generation ago.
Keji70gsm | 8 hours ago
It is literally why we couldn't stop the pandemic. Aside from aereosolised-airborne denial anyway.
sweetica | 7 hours ago
Those deniers are in for a special treat courtesy of the Russians, I hear the ruskies revived and bioengineered the plague.
vanderZwan | 7 hours ago
You're vastly oversimplify things here.
Once we were infected with a disease with a high R number that didn't instantly kill us, our travel habits made it impossible to stop it from turning into a pandemic, yes. But we already traveled enough 100 years ago to be unable to stop a pandemic back then. And yet we somehow managed to reduce the average number of sick people per capita for generations, while the amount travel per capita increased.
Travel is not the reason covid-19 jumped from bats to humans in the first place, nor does it explain other zoonotic diseases. Look humans encroaching on nature for that.
Travel is not the reason for diseases that are highly resistant to anti-biotics. You can blame the meat industry abusing anti-biotics for that one (and probably also for a few of the zoonotic diseases, for that matter). Oh, and climate change is somehow making diseases worse too.
Travel is not the reason why a lot of people are more susceptible to diseases in general now than a generation ago. You can blame the anti-vaxxers, and unwillingness to do physical distancing or wearing masks when sick, an obesity epidemic, a lack of exercise, and steadily worsening diets for a lot of that. Among other things.
ilovechoralmusic | 8 hours ago
It’s being fat and not working out. Every doctor, every study says it. But people will write walls of comments about obscure stuff that is absolutely the reason why …
[OP] The_Weekend_Baker | 6 hours ago
Exactly, and it's not like this is groundbreaking news. From 10+ years ago:
https://www.aicr.org/resources/blog/study-vast-majority-of-cancers-caused-by-lifestyle-not-bad-luck/
The only thing this new study emphasizes is that the unhealthy lifestyles are starting a lot earlier in life than used to be the case. And as a survivor of my own lifestyle-caused cancer 20 years ago when I was in my early 40s, it was the first thing my long-ago doctor told me when I asked him what he thought the cause was. He lowered his clipboard and said, "You weigh almost 500 pounds." Apparently that was the only explanation he thought I needed.
This morning's weigh in was 211. I used that cancer scare as motivation to change.
sacrelicio | 4 hours ago
Yeah people used to be pretty trim until middle age and then they gained weight and then the cancers and heart issues ticked up. Now obese young people are common. In some circles it's completely normal to be fat and unusual to be thin.
Sea-Original-5824 | 7 hours ago
Absolutely. Young people used to not be fat. Young people used to be physically active.
PhD_Pwnology | 6 hours ago
They literally had pass presidential fitness mandates to get boomers to work out they were so un fit. they weren't fat, but they were weak, puny, and didn't meet military weight standards
Sea-Original-5824 | 6 hours ago
Boomers definitely had a better diet though. Eating at home and eating balanced meals was still a thing almost everyone did. I agree they could have been healthier, but boomers didn't grow up eating pure crap. Now the boomers started the trend of feeding their children pure crap, I will concede that.
Guyonabuffalo63 | 5 hours ago
Are you sure about that?
Boomers grew up in the age of salted everything.
Don’t get me wrong i know we’re full of preservatives now, but the untold amounts of balogna and American cheese would like to have a conversation. lol
Sea-Original-5824 | 5 hours ago
I am sure of that. Boomers still had dinner at home that included a meat, veg, potato, etc. I'm sure it could have been healthier, but far too many people today who are now 50 and under didn't even eat that well growing up.
AFewBerries | 5 hours ago
That's probably better than being fat though
D00M1R4 | 6 hours ago
Im not saying these are not reasons, being born in a world where toxic chemicals has been released for many decades is not helpful i would say
pattywhakk | 8 hours ago
When I begin to wonder why cancers are on the rise in young people I remember the lines of cars snaking around my local McDonald’s. So many people eating such terrible food.
Sea-Original-5824 | 7 hours ago
They grow up eating it too. People just have terrible diets. They eat no fiber whatsoever to the point where a few beans at Taco Bell gives them GI issues for the next 24 hours.
CheezitzAreGewd | 6 hours ago
Being fat also correlates with eating more processed food and sugar. Too many chemicals in our food nowadays.
AltruisticCoelacanth | 5 hours ago
Every food you ever eat is chemicals. And nothing else
CheezitzAreGewd | 3 hours ago
Sorry “too many ‘added’ chemicals” for those of you who take things literally
IntroductionFancy753 | 3 hours ago
Your first sentence was fine, the "chemicals" part is just uncessary.
AltruisticCoelacanth | 3 hours ago
That's still not good enough. If I add water to my oats to make oatmeal, I have "added" chemicals. You need to demonstrate what's specifically bad about that.
CheezitzAreGewd | 3 hours ago
I don’t. Most people who read my comments will have understood the point already.
Clarifying more is redundant and unproductive.
AltruisticCoelacanth | 3 hours ago
I understand your point perfectly, I assure you. I'm trying to get you to think about it.
TraditionalLaw7763 | 4 hours ago
Driscoll berry eaters?
PROXYNAPSE | 2 hours ago
My mom is dying from it, and this world doesn't mean anything to me anymore...
foxwaffles | 2 hours ago
My sister is a nurse at a GI clinic and has been seeing way more young people with colon cancer or a concerning number of huge polyps than she used to. All the doctors and the other nurses too, they talk about it a lot. All my sister has to say is for the love of god, eat more fiber. And so I try my best to.
KaepyrauhasmiesYksi | 3 hours ago
Red bull gives you wings!
DaiFrostAce | 8 hours ago
Could be many things but I wouldn’t be surprised if vaping was a leading cause
scarypigeon | 7 hours ago
Vaping would likely primarily affect the lungs though and lung cancer cases are decreasing.
DropTheBeatAndTheBas | 7 hours ago
huh vaping would take allot longer id say its not been around long enough to see damage but also its 99% safer than smoking
fallen_empathy | 6 hours ago
Covid is once again an elephant in the room waiting to be addressed
DeepAd8888 | 7 hours ago
High neuroticism from social media and internet will do that