Very cool. 5-fold symmetry on the PCB to use up the board allowance is particularly neat.
A trick that poor hobbyists learn early on is to make pads a little larger than necessary for SMT parts so you've got somewhere to wick solder onto. Neopixels (5050 LEDs) are reasonable to hand-solder since the pads extend up the sides of the package, but you can also do QFNs with a bit of practice by placing a big via to get to the central pad from underneath.
Love how the 5 PCBs slot into each other to form the final shape.
With respect to the assembly: do yourself a massive favor and let the PCB fab also assemble the LEDs. With a simple bill of materials like this it will add very little cost, it saves you a _lot_ of time, and it might also reduce the chance of component damage from adding too much heat or from accidental ESD strikes. (I don’t know how much these Neopixels can handle, though.)
I'll bet there's some creative board layout so that the relevant controller IC and supporting passives can be soldered onto the back of one of the 5, then have solder jumpers or some such to actually connect it into the circuit. That way, you're not adding miles of unused trace to an active bus.
Of course, having a 5x PCB fab, but 4x+1 assembly would probably double the cost for a single turn of the device.
I would love to hear more about the process of making 5-fold symmetry work for board layout. That sounds maddening to get right.
As long as you can design the outline as a vector file somewhere else, it's easy enough to import as a board outline and then lay out on top of it. I also get the lure of assembly these days, but I would hand-solder a board like this for a one-off art project. Call me old fashioned, but I'm confident enough with soldering that I'd estimate a couple of hours to assemble and I like buying domestic which is less economical than the JLPCB special. If people started to ask for kits though...
I think your idea is pretty sound if you connect all but one of the boards in a ring and use a jumper for the control section.
I could go either way on hand-soldering a single assembly. But doing this more than once would be torturous.
I can only go so many days carefully monitoring diet and minimizing stimulant intake to minimize associated tremors. And I don't have rework microscope, so my eyes would definitely suffer.
Phyllotaxis spirals (derived from the golden angle) make such an elegant coordinate space for radial audio visualization because they avoid the density distortion of concentric circular rings.
The trickiest part in these builds is usually balancing transient response with temporal smoothing so the LEDs don't devolve into jittery noise during busy frequency passages. Curious if you're doing per-bin decay filters on the FFT or handling dynamic gain normalization upstream?
I'm still not perfectly happy with the audio response, tbh. But it mostly suffices.
I experimented with both approaches, and landed on mixing the band energy normalized by global energy vs. per-bin max energy, with a very arbitrary coefficient that seems to work. I also keep a few copies of the levels per band with different rates of decay, so I can add features in the sketches which should be sensitive to transients, vs. features which can rely on slower rates of change.
Not at all an expert in any of this and it was a lot of trial and error, still lots of room for improvement.
I understand it was inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllotaxis, but arrangement on leaves serves the purpose of growth in a specific niche. The pattern arises because naturally leaves serve to capture light - see the images on wikipedia there. Phyllo means green. The LEDs used here do not really tap into any of that, and the name is also a misnomer. That's not good.
I disagree with sibling comments. You are correct to express the confounding implications of a word choice. And they have only detracted from the point you make.
Of course the design is cool and beautiful, but it is not the thing it is called here.
The pattern in OP's project can be called phyllotaxis. This is supported by the link you provide which gives even looser examples that are still described as "exhibiting phyllotaxis". A lot of words refer to nature if you look into semantics, not surprising if you consider the amount of beautiful and useful patterns it gives us.
I had this concern at first, but using a glue stick seemed fine. The gluing doesn't have to be extensive either, since the paper gets clamped between the plastic parts when I screw it together.
I took the very thin 3D printed cell outline shape, a grey screenshot in my post, and used it to trace the mulberry paper. Then cut and glued paper onto the bottom of that cell outline, and screwed the outline plate into the main assembly.
This is by far one of the biggest areas where I could improve the design. I'm not happy with how fragile it is. The good thing about using just paper screwed from the top is it's thin enough to prevent light bleeding between cells.
author here, good digging! I added the MIT license.
Getting 5-fold symmetry to work was tricky, but the repo you found has the processing sketch where I figured it out. I basically took the point generation process I described and rotated it upon itself 5 times. I tested this with different radial symmetry numbers actually, and 5 also happened to look the best and also was convenient for manufacturing the PCBs.
Then I had AI add the ability to rotate a bounding rectangle for one 'quintant' around the shape, and found the division of cells which minimized the area, since PCB cost scales with that.
throwaway219450 | 17 hours ago
A trick that poor hobbyists learn early on is to make pads a little larger than necessary for SMT parts so you've got somewhere to wick solder onto. Neopixels (5050 LEDs) are reasonable to hand-solder since the pads extend up the sides of the package, but you can also do QFNs with a bit of practice by placing a big via to get to the central pad from underneath.
lukeify | 17 hours ago
Perhaps an example of convergent evolution? :)
pbronez | 11 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
asdfasdfe | 10 hours ago
Where do you see similarities?
busssard | 7 hours ago
miles_io | 16 hours ago
aanet | 16 hours ago
hugoj0s3 | 16 hours ago
Vakaiser | 15 hours ago
https://music.apple.com/us/album/neon-pattern-drum/134973653...
r0b05 | 15 hours ago
XRG | 15 hours ago
With respect to the assembly: do yourself a massive favor and let the PCB fab also assemble the LEDs. With a simple bill of materials like this it will add very little cost, it saves you a _lot_ of time, and it might also reduce the chance of component damage from adding too much heat or from accidental ESD strikes. (I don’t know how much these Neopixels can handle, though.)
scoot | 13 hours ago
From the article:
What's next? ...using PCB assembly...
asdfasdfe | 10 hours ago
petsfed | 4 hours ago
Of course, having a 5x PCB fab, but 4x+1 assembly would probably double the cost for a single turn of the device.
I would love to hear more about the process of making 5-fold symmetry work for board layout. That sounds maddening to get right.
throwaway219450 | 3 hours ago
I think your idea is pretty sound if you connect all but one of the boards in a ring and use a jumper for the control section.
petsfed | 2 hours ago
I can only go so many days carefully monitoring diet and minimizing stimulant intake to minimize associated tremors. And I don't have rework microscope, so my eyes would definitely suffer.
hajjamixcv2012 | 14 hours ago
The trickiest part in these builds is usually balancing transient response with temporal smoothing so the LEDs don't devolve into jittery noise during busy frequency passages. Curious if you're doing per-bin decay filters on the FFT or handling dynamic gain normalization upstream?
jagiii | 3 hours ago
I experimented with both approaches, and landed on mixing the band energy normalized by global energy vs. per-bin max energy, with a very arbitrary coefficient that seems to work. I also keep a few copies of the levels per band with different rates of decay, so I can add features in the sketches which should be sensitive to transients, vs. features which can rely on slower rates of change.
Not at all an expert in any of this and it was a lot of trial and error, still lots of room for improvement.
nesk_ | 14 hours ago
Thank you for sharing the build process.
shevy-java | 14 hours ago
I understand it was inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllotaxis, but arrangement on leaves serves the purpose of growth in a specific niche. The pattern arises because naturally leaves serve to capture light - see the images on wikipedia there. Phyllo means green. The LEDs used here do not really tap into any of that, and the name is also a misnomer. That's not good.
rglullis | 14 hours ago
HappMacDonald | 13 hours ago
cwmoore | 11 hours ago
Of course the design is cool and beautiful, but it is not the thing it is called here.
pierrec | 7 hours ago
joking | 12 hours ago
mordv | 12 hours ago
michaelbuckbee | 11 hours ago
shellfishgene | 10 hours ago
yeehawjared | 9 hours ago
rishabhaiover | 9 hours ago
jan_Sate | 9 hours ago
Too bad. Software audio visualization's no longer common. But hey your hardware visualization's better than software! :D
asdfasdfe | 8 hours ago
UncleOxidant | 4 hours ago
jagiii | 4 hours ago
jagiii | 4 hours ago
This is by far one of the biggest areas where I could improve the design. I'm not happy with how fragile it is. The good thing about using just paper screwed from the top is it's thin enough to prevent light bleeding between cells.
busssard | 8 hours ago
simlevesque | 6 hours ago
doawoo | 6 hours ago
realo | 5 hours ago
I bought one of those some time ago.
Might interest the HN crowd...
https://www.evilgeniuslabs.org/one-inch-fibonacci128
petsfed | 4 hours ago
https://github.com/jagnat/fib_quintant_minimizer
It would be really neat if the author could put the relevant licensing stuff on there.
(but mainly, I want to hear about how they accomplished 5-fold symmetry!)
jagiii | 4 hours ago
Getting 5-fold symmetry to work was tricky, but the repo you found has the processing sketch where I figured it out. I basically took the point generation process I described and rotated it upon itself 5 times. I tested this with different radial symmetry numbers actually, and 5 also happened to look the best and also was convenient for manufacturing the PCBs.
Then I had AI add the ability to rotate a bounding rectangle for one 'quintant' around the shape, and found the division of cells which minimized the area, since PCB cost scales with that.