I think that's the end goal, at least looking at where their hardware is going. Or flexible routing with easy tasks running locally and only the more complex ones hitting the cloud
This appears to be the current feature prototype intended for the EU and potentially China. Apple has chosen not to release the new Siri AI in the EU because our Digital Markets Act requires them to allow interoperability. I.e. that users be allowed to choose another AI provider.
Ostensibly they'll activate this in the EU when it's ready. Given the current functionality, it looks ready (or close to being ready). My guess is it is ready and Apple is doing their usual negotiation tactics with the EU to see who blinks first.
My secret hope is that Tim Cook was the main weight behind cutting off half the new features from Apple software in the EU an attempt to weaponize their users against legislators. Even features that have had analogues where nobody would've ever asked for interoperability (i.e. Handoff/Continuity exists in the EU, but iPhone mirroring doesn't)
Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them.
The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy.
The problem is not having Siri use different models beneath. That’s not what the EU wants. They want Siri to be replaced by Gemini/etc completely. Which fits with the DMA.
Apple’s proposal was for something akin to an agent that could gather the necessary data for the 3rd party AI to use. Because what they refused to do is let any other AI have unfettered access to everything whenever it wants.
So I suspect this is really for Apple’s benefit. I don’t think the EU would be happy if you could still use Siri, but it was grok underneath. Because that would still be Siri.
> Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them. The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy.
This is what Apple claims and I don’t think you should believe it at face value. The EU has an entire team working on negotiating the boundaries with gatekeepers. They have a vested interested in compliance. Apple’s claims don’t sound credible.
The DMA requires interoperability so it requires being able to swap out Siri - completely. Competitors would need to be first class components with full system access. Apple has a long history of anti-competitive action in iOS. For example, Apple doesn’t allow full system cloud backup competition. One must use iCloud or it’s impossible to back up an iPhone over the air.
I side with competition and choice. If people want to use something other than iCloud, or Siri, they should be allowed to do that with their own hardware.
> The DMA requires interoperability so it requires being able to swap out Siri - completely
I fully agree. But Apple is not willing to do that, and I don’t blame them. I actually think they’re right on that one personally, even though it would be a conflict with the law.
Mark Gurman seems to get extraordinarily accurate and detailed leaks. I wonder how Apple got this leaky. Pretty much everything about the Duo was known months in advance.
Well, either corporate security got incompetent or they intentionally let select leaks exist to "test the market response". Established companies tend to get more risk averse overtime.
This is a very clever platform play. If you make Siri / your mac the central access point for all AI related workflows and make models interchangeable, then Apple has a huge weapon in the AI race.
I don't disagree, but I do feel the need to point out this was not Apple's plan A. Luckily for them they have so many tools and options at their disposal, that they are able to massively fail at developing their own models and still end up in a good position.
Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good).
So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom
They didn’t invest in Siri and became the most valuable company in history. I don’t think Siri being better would have mattered much to be honest. Not joining the financial black hole that is AI training seems to have benefited them well so far. But yes, it’s definitely a case of failing upwards.
Adding quotes around “genius” as it seems you misunderstood what I meant
Meh, AI is deep in it's diversification stage -- there are soooooooo many players in the game right now and basically one maybe two will survive once the dust settles. All these frontier labs are fighting tooth and nail to be the one left standing. Apple is making a measured approach saying "hey, we're probably not going to be the Google of AI, but the smartest thing for us to do is to put infrastructure in place so that once there is a contraction (which there will be, think the search engine landscape in the 2000s) we're relatively ahead for relatively little effort/cost."
I imagine that Google assistant only makes money for Google because they’re an advertising company. Alexa loses money for Amazon and it’s becoming more gated to Prime subscription features as a result. Amazon thought everyone would be buying stuff with their voice and that future never panned out.
It turns out that voice assistants aren’t all that important. Customers aren’t willing to pay for them and they’re more of a nice to have convenience feature.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're spot on.
Almost everyone developing their own AI is doomed to fail. I would not be surprised that when the dust settles, Microsoft CoPilot and Google Gemini will be left standing while OpenAI and Anthropic fade away. They will get what they need and then throw them away.
"Embrace, extend, extinguish" is the same playbook for decades, and you can only do that when you make money. Yes, making money still matters and post-capitalism is a big fat lie.
It’s a very low risk and low effort plan, even if it fails it’s fine. To be contrasted with all the AI players accumulating costs and risks for the AI rollout
So basically do what they have always done for decades?
Apple Intelligence was an outlier in how they historically operate. I mean they literally just put out a folding phone after waiting what, a decade, for others to perfect it first.
Yep. I will never understand why none of their competitors follow that strategy. It’s good we have first movers ready to take some risk Apple has shown over and over again how well their approach to product works. Wait for the market to be discovered and the technology to mature, then enter with a clear vision and high quality product
Handle the query on device. If the device cannot handle the query, push the query to Private Cloud, If Private Cloud cannot handle the query, push the query to a third party of the users choosing.
Which is pretty much the same as what they announced a few years ago.
Apple underestimated the amount of time and work needed to get to work and really the only bit that I think changed is that Private Cloud (and possibly the on device model) is a white label Google model rather than being developed in-house by Apple.
The problem with that approach is that “how do I handle this query”, and “did I handle that query ok” are both AI-hard problems, and must be tackled near the user, where the large model is not.
It also requires a relatively complex distributed architecture.
I worry about how successful they can be with this approach, in terms of best user experience.
I’ve been thinking recently about moving my notes from Notes.app to e.g. Notion because the latter jacks into ChatGPT and Claude, thereby giving them way more power as a personal assistant. This is the exact kind of move that would keep someone like me locked in.
It’d be short sighted to not have a wrapper around which AI to use, even without implementation for them. Like, having an abstract parent class with a Siri implementation of it would be baseline good software engineering.
Yeah; plus we know they're designing with potential future local-only Vs. hybrid Vs. cloud-only in mind depending on hardware/market changes. So having it be this flexible buys them a ton of future potential.
People have speculated that with FPGAs or even an ASIC you could take some smaller models we have today, turn the chip into essentially that model-as-hardware, and get some really compelling performance/power-usage characteristics.
At that point running a GOOD quantized Q8 model on a phone is not beyond the realm.
This is such a funny comment. I’d been hearing about the un-repairability of Apple products for years and I believed it. Then I went to Shenzhen and walked past an entire floor of individuals doing all sorts of “impossible” repairs right in front of the customer.
My speculation: "impossible" repairs work a lot better when you buy replacements parts for near-market price from a competitively priced seller next door, rather than having to order your parts online from one of a handful of distributors substantially upcharging even for the off-brand version.
I’m not even sure how they would implement these features without them being interoperable. All the AI systems use pretty similar if not identical API standards.
That’s actually a good solution. Create a platform where app actions can be invoked with a permission model by any AI model.
Maybe apple can even have something similar to MCPs for tool invocations of apps and publish it so all models can actually be trained to use that framework
I actually think this is what they ended up doing - just regular conversations with tool calling into your various apps, behind a Siri AI API. not HTTP based mcps (for now) but rather local ones.
Just playing the devil advocate: what happens when the answers from a not-Apple LLM are garbage? Who the users are going to blame, Apple or OpenAI, Anthropic, etc..?
I'm not 100% on Apple side on this, I would love to chose whatever I want, even local models, but I get why trey trying to control 100% of the user experience. If they could trust any provider with customers data, they would let them in, since they're not competitors. They would even let Apple not spend a ton of money on developing LLMs....
Are people blaming Apple when Google search in Safari gives garbage results? Some probably are, but that really shouldn’t be a relevant discussion, in particular when the user explicitly chose which AI backend to use.
Well, we can generalize this a bit to model routing in general. Actually, just AI in general - even when directly interacting with GPT we haven't figured out good protocols yet.
I can promise you Apple is constantly being blamed by its customers for things out of its control. I worked at an Apple store for years. All sorts of carrier issues, third party accessories, and app problems were chalked up to Apple screwing up.
If this consistently has happened at every place you've worked in your career, I think you're luckier than you realize. Independent of the implementation, it's also still interesting as a sign of what might be supported for users down the line; I don't agree that this is how they'd write the code if they never expected to allow another provider, and other comments in the thread have already provided some insight into what the context might be (e.g. EU market).
Apple had enough experience relying on and being screwed by third parties that they have a built-in allergy to it. They do not like being boxed in and always want to be in control of their destiny.
This would’ve been useful during their bake off where they were trying to choose if they wanted to go with Google, Anthropic, or OpenAI. But even without that, they would absolutely not want to be in a situation where they had to redo everything to get off a bad partner.
You can download an app that does that. You don’t have to use Siri, and it can be turned off entirely, or decoupled from AI entirely, and the wake word can be disabled entirely. A lot of options are available.
Make a Shortcut that will open your local voice assistant app of choice when you press the action button.
This is not what EU regulators asked for. They want first class access to user data and devices for would-be alternative providers… which Apple simply won’t allow outside PCC.
This is not that. This is expanding the Extensions that you already have. You can look at it in your Settings already.
All of which is why EU users are being left behind on the new Apple Intelligence (for now).
Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years
Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer
Siri turn on the lights
Siri code a Doom clone in Swift
Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency
Siri summarize the latest news about AI
Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis
Now that's an agent I'd use. Can we start with Siri for the terminal?
I'd settle for a siri that can at least turn the lights off properly.
Google assistant on the nvidia shield left Siri in the dust years ago. Siri can't even chain basic commands in your smart home, it can't retain any kind of context (e.g. dim the lights...a bit more).
I tried "turn off the lights in [room a] and [room b]" in the new Siri app and rather than Siri saying they can't do compound commands they just turned off the lights in one of the two rooms listed.
So, progress?
Any agent with the Home Assistant MCP hooked up can do it fine.
Siri is Gemini now (Semeni?) so expect similar stories from both major phone OS providers going forward, since we have lost more diversity in the mobile market (seems anti-trustworthy to me)
I hate to do this, but I decided to "search" google for "gemiri" just to see, and was presented with
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AI Overview
The term "gemiri" is relatively rare and can refer to a few entirely different things depending on the context.
Tech Slang (Gemini + Siri): It is a modern, informal portmanteau used by tech enthusiasts on social platforms like X (formerly Twitter). It describes a hypothetical or user-modified pairing of Google's Gemini AI with Apple's Siri assistant.
Medical / Cancer Regimen: In oncology, GemIri is a shorthand medical code for a combination chemotherapy regimen consisting of Gemcitabine and Irinotecan
I gave up on using Siri for my lights because 1/3 of the time it would get caught in a “who is speaking? Please go through the voice configuration to identify yourself.”
This was frustrating for me as it always prompted “who cares? Just turn off the lights.” As well as would drive my parents and other guests batty.
> This was frustrating for me as it always prompted “who cares? Just turn off the lights.”
I guess you should be able to create a bucket of low-risk tasks that require zero authentication, like letting your guests turn off the lights. I do get why they are cautious, though, because in some cases this could be a security risk, like a burglar turning off lights from outside the home.
Just today running latest developers beta, I asked Siri to turn on the coffee machine and it started playing some song instead. I found out later that I had named the switch coffee machine plug.
Similar thing happens when I ask Siri to play my favorite songs and it starts to play a song named favorite from my library
The thing is, Apple will have never lost this opportunity. The distribution advantage of the user base is so deep they can basically always implement this at will.
Amazon did exactly this with Alexa skills and it hasn’t exactly been a booming success. Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use.
“AI as a chat bot” has always been cool and fun in sci-fi movies, but it’s the least imaginative real world use for it. We need to move past it.
> $ Siri 'List the files in this folder'
Why in the world would I ever use this instead of just ‘ls’?
The problem with Alexa is that by the time it appeared anywhere other than Echo devices, it was already deeply enshittified. Siri is in your pocket, on your wrist, and in your ears. Alexa was stuck on your kitchen counter asking you if you wanted to try Amazon Music.
Alexa's big issue for me was that you had to remember very specific commands and unless you remembered the exact syntax you were out of luck. I genuinely think if the AI had been better and had been able to interpret commands better, skills would have been infinitely more useful.
> Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use.
I've never understood this obsession with trying to invent the talking ship computer from Star Trek TNG. The purpose of the talking computer in the series was not to be a "cool 24th century technology advancement". It was a plot device to keep the story going and explain things to the audience. Having a voice conversation with a computer is terrible, imprecise, plodding UX. It's not a good interface, it's not a good invention, it's not good technology. Yet $billions are being spent to try to invent it.
Disagree. The TNG computer was used via voice input when it was efficient to do so, which is exactly how it should be. There were plenty of computer consoles, laptops, and tricorders/phone-like devices that were also used, especially with certain types of tasks. The crew could technically fly the ship and fire weapons via voice commands, but that only happened occasionally, in situations where it made sense. Also, when Picard wants to record himself playing a musical instrument, saying “Computer, begin recording” is simply convenient. It serves no purpose to the story or explaining anything to the audience. It’s just a tool. One that I would very much like to have.
The best example I can think of in favor of what you are saying, where the computer does kind of serve the story and helps the audience, is the episode where Doctor Crusher gets stuck in the warp bubble and she has a lot of conversations with the computer about what is happening. But even then, she is out of her element, needs a lot of help from the computer, and it seems more convenient to do so via voice than anything else. She still travels to different areas of the ship to carry out actions, even though she probably doesn’t have to in case. The computer is clearly at its best for simple actions and answering questions, even if it can do more. The characters understand that and use the technology accordingly.
You don't have to do it all the time as your primary interface.
My wife asks Siri questions all the time while she's busy.
"Siri, what's the time?", "Siri what will the temperature be in four hours?" etc.
It's not "terrible", it's pretty smart.
Amazon and I guess Siri's original design was completely undiscoverable. Both had limited vocabulary and actions you could take. I had to learn from others what I could even ask the devices. Also both were audio only and for things like, "turn on the lights" that required talking to cheap 3rd party devices that barely stay connected, it was frustrating.
Instead of quickly iterating to find how to take voice to the next level, both projects quickly locked in on whatever that was and became too costly to pivot.
Granny: "cobolcomesback, what's that command I have to write in this black box thingee to list all the files in this folder"
cobolcomesback: "ls, granny"
Granny: "it said No such file or directory"
cobolcomesback: "no, that's... just write ls, granny.
Granny: "I wrote ls granny it said no such file or directory."
cobolcomesback: "just.. from now on... just write Siri 'list all files in this directory', granny"
Granny: "I wrote siri list all files in this directory granny and it told me all the files and then it also asked me who's granny and I told it and it said nice to meet you"
> Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use.
The thing that nobody really realized is that setup is a big factor that isn't worth to a lot of people. For example, to turn off lights with Alexa, you have to do a whole bunch of setup that involves installing special lights, installing app, connecting the app to Alexa. Even though relatively this is simple, its just not worth the effort to a lot of people.
Amazon or Apple could easily overcome this by offering Alexa or Siri connected devices as incentive to builders building houses or apartments. That way, when you plug in Alexa in your new apartment, it can auto detect everything it can control including lights, thermostat appliances, e.t.c.
$ Siri 'rename this thousand of photos in these folders describing their content and make sure to use the same name for duplicates regardless of their size'
It is an extremely powerful tool, but here are the basics:
# Ask the default on-device model
fm respond 'Explain this shell error in plain English: permission denied'
# Start a conversation
fm chat --instructions 'Let's talk about economics.'
# Use the larger Private Cloud Compute model
fm respond --model pcc 'Are zebras and horses related?'
# Pipe stuff to a model
echo 'What is Swift?' | fm respond
Okay let me just install a tool to do that because the OS doesn't usually have it built in in 2026.
Oh, it's riddled with ads. Oh it's paid for. Etc.
It's the same thing with the recent opening of knowledge thanks to AI.
Before: search for recipe with search riddled with ads, find website riddled with ads cookies notification requests forced sign up and a million other dark patterns, then an entire fucking life story before the recipe.
Now: "find me a good recipe for pasta that uses the stuff I have left over from the party last weekend, I don't mind buying a few more bits".
> Okay let me just install a tool to do that because the OS doesn't usually have it built in in 2026.
On Mac select the PDFs in Finder. Right click on the selected files to bring up the context menu. Select "Create a PDF" from the Quick Actions submenu.
This works with PDF files and image files as inputs.
Agreed. I'm not looking forward to iOS 27 where basically the only option is this new Siri. I was perfectly content with using the old "dumb" Siri to set timers, turn on a light and control my Apple TV and nothing else.
In my opinion the OS should broker the communication between harnesses (which is part of Siri), LLMs and app functionality. It can take into account the permissions, the user could configure which LLM to use at an OS system settings level and complex workflows can integrate permissions like FaceID only once as the harness then interacts with APIs exposed by applications (arguably already there with app intents).
Feels like this is based on the idea that any model is interchangeable with any other, while all of them are better at some stuff, worse at some stuff.
Besides, the modern concept of "agent" is what, some year old? Bit fast to ossify stuff in the OSes already.
Third-party calls won't eat into Apple's compute, so it's not entirely against the interests of Apple as they put caps on people's AI use.
I wonder what the margin on this stuff is for them:
Some Apple Intelligence features in the Home app, such as
video summaries, are available for a limited number of
cameras depending on your iCloud+ plan — up to 1 camera
in the 2 TB plan, up to 2 cameras in the 6 TB plan, and
up to 5 cameras in the 12 TB plan. Supported camera
counts and other iCloud+ plan features may change over time.
Quite annoying that you need to get the top plan for 5 cameras, and you cannot get more.
I like tinkering with this stuff, everything around me is a perpetual lab, so I have more than 5 cameras that I'd like to hook up to this. But I REALLY don't NEED or WANT 12TB or storage.
I want all of these integrations to be possible locally, without having to send my data to the cloud.
But I cannot. A lot of these nice integrations aren't offered for fully-local setups.
Once Siri gets MCP support, it’ll be my main orchestrator.
I built an app that lets me run terminals on my MacBook. It’s a Next app so I can go to that website on my phone using Tailscale. It has a built-in MCP server, so I can connect it to ChatGPT and have it create terminal sessions, orchestrate terminal sessions, all that good stuff.
Down the line, I’d like to be able to connect it to Siri and just talk to my phone and it can control terminal sessions and projects that I’m working on on my laptop.
I'd love it if Siri does, but I don't expect big corps to keep supporting MCP since MCP gives so much control to the end user, can't charge for eg. Google integration when someone can just add an MCP to handle it.
I don't want to tell Siri to ask Claude or GPT - I want Siri to automatically delegate to another model of my choice when it can't answer something, instead of showing irrelevant web searches.
Apple Foundations Models Framework already aimed towards some generalized API for models. Personally I like it, just as I would be a little happier if instead of codex/claude/antigravity (rip gemini cli) I would have single standardized interface.
With mobile devices especially where ideally models could be shared across several apps.
But this specific code I'd assume is targeted to comply with EU regulations more than anything.
OT:
Since I've moved to Spain my principal Apple account is still in my home country but I've made another one for local app-store (since some local apps aren't available if you're not in the Spanish store).
iPhone is acting really strange, I'm logged to my principal account for iCloud+ and anything and local App Store.
If I log back to my principal account, I loose HCE mode and my building NFC app stops working until I re-log in the Spanish Apple Store.
If I'm logged at the Spanish account, I loose Siri AI which is blocked in the EU...
And you can also sideload apps (only in the EU), change you default navigation app from apple maps (only in the EU), and use more features of the NFC reader (only in the EU).
The code for all of those things is there, but not enabled if for most iOS users. There's a non-zero chance this code is there for Apple to try and convince the EU to let them release a Siri AI, and then just like sideloading have some impossible-to-actually-use alternative path to make the DMA happy.
Apple can hold the AI customers hostage by locking this level of AI integration to their app store, taking a 30% cut of AI subscriptions while at the same time having someone else fix the reputation of their devices' voice assistant for them.
There's profit to be made by offering customers choices here, I'm sure Apple will be ready to scoop up all of those delicious slop dollars.
My favorite Siri behavior is telling it, on my phone, to turn on a focus state only for it to transfer the request to a nearby HomePod that tells me it can't help with that. I hope the new changes to it are an improvement, but the bar is currently buried in the dirt.
Seems Apple's first attempt AI failing two years ago is turning into a blessing. Now they can buy AI as a commodity from the cheapest supplier. Well played.
One can imagine a scenario where 1) this requires a Claude or ChatGPT subscription, 2) this subscription needs to be purchased through the iOS app. AI providers get new users, Apple gets its App Store tax, everyone wins.
What does a full integration of claude or openAI models into the phone even mean? What additional functionality can one get and what are those use cases? Does it actually pull in more users to the voice/Siri interface? I mean even with vastly superior models, does it move the needle enough to attract more users?
I pray for the possibility of not only choosing the provider, but being able to choose the thinking level.
I've been using the new siri, and it seems more or less stuck in instant-answer mode, which gives really terrible answers with any provider.
I wish more people were talking about this, but if you can't crank up the models to extended thinking, the technology is more or less stuck at 2004 levels of usefulness.
nicce | 6 hours ago
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djc404 | 6 hours ago
EDIT: by broader I mean all apps the user installs on their phone.
MBCook | 4 hours ago
I don’t think that would meet the requirements of the DMA. Would it?
stetrain | 6 hours ago
Gareth321 | 6 hours ago
Ostensibly they'll activate this in the EU when it's ready. Given the current functionality, it looks ready (or close to being ready). My guess is it is ready and Apple is doing their usual negotiation tactics with the EU to see who blinks first.
acuteaura | 5 hours ago
This is not how politics works here.
MBCook | 4 hours ago
The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy.
The problem is not having Siri use different models beneath. That’s not what the EU wants. They want Siri to be replaced by Gemini/etc completely. Which fits with the DMA.
Apple’s proposal was for something akin to an agent that could gather the necessary data for the 3rd party AI to use. Because what they refused to do is let any other AI have unfettered access to everything whenever it wants.
So I suspect this is really for Apple’s benefit. I don’t think the EU would be happy if you could still use Siri, but it was grok underneath. Because that would still be Siri.
Gareth321 | 28 minutes ago
This is what Apple claims and I don’t think you should believe it at face value. The EU has an entire team working on negotiating the boundaries with gatekeepers. They have a vested interested in compliance. Apple’s claims don’t sound credible.
The DMA requires interoperability so it requires being able to swap out Siri - completely. Competitors would need to be first class components with full system access. Apple has a long history of anti-competitive action in iOS. For example, Apple doesn’t allow full system cloud backup competition. One must use iCloud or it’s impossible to back up an iPhone over the air.
I side with competition and choice. If people want to use something other than iCloud, or Siri, they should be allowed to do that with their own hardware.
MBCook | 20 minutes ago
I fully agree. But Apple is not willing to do that, and I don’t blame them. I actually think they’re right on that one personally, even though it would be a conflict with the law.
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tencentshill | 4 hours ago
https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-command-center/
Mark Gurman seems to get extraordinarily accurate and detailed leaks. I wonder how Apple got this leaky. Pretty much everything about the Duo was known months in advance.
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MBCook | 4 hours ago
But it will never prompt you anymore, because Siri AI can handle that stuff now when it couldn’t before.
Whether you think it’s better or not is up to you. I do. I also found the version of ChatGPT it used to be worse than the one in the app.
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dgellow | 5 hours ago
So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom
bel8 | 5 hours ago
This looks more like a participation medal, if at all.
dgellow | 5 hours ago
Adding quotes around “genius” as it seems you misunderstood what I meant
bel8 | 4 hours ago
What makes you think that? They insisted on Siri for so long and even made a big deal of Apple Intelligence in WWDC.
Then Apple threw the towel and waved the white flag with regards to Siri and replaced their efforts with third party AI.
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Grombobulous | 4 hours ago
It turns out that voice assistants aren’t all that important. Customers aren’t willing to pay for them and they’re more of a nice to have convenience feature.
juiceland | an hour ago
This would be insulting if it even mattered. Apple has fumbled AI while having record breaking quarterly profits. The market does not care.
sublinear | 5 hours ago
Almost everyone developing their own AI is doomed to fail. I would not be surprised that when the dust settles, Microsoft CoPilot and Google Gemini will be left standing while OpenAI and Anthropic fade away. They will get what they need and then throw them away.
"Embrace, extend, extinguish" is the same playbook for decades, and you can only do that when you make money. Yes, making money still matters and post-capitalism is a big fat lie.
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fennecbutt | an hour ago
Apple Intelligence was an outlier in how they historically operate. I mean they literally just put out a folding phone after waiting what, a decade, for others to perfect it first.
dgellow | 49 minutes ago
spiralpolitik | 3 hours ago
Handle the query on device. If the device cannot handle the query, push the query to Private Cloud, If Private Cloud cannot handle the query, push the query to a third party of the users choosing.
Which is pretty much the same as what they announced a few years ago.
Apple underestimated the amount of time and work needed to get to work and really the only bit that I think changed is that Private Cloud (and possibly the on device model) is a white label Google model rather than being developed in-house by Apple.
robotresearcher | 2 hours ago
It also requires a relatively complex distributed architecture.
I worry about how successful they can be with this approach, in terms of best user experience.
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Someone1234 | 5 hours ago
People have speculated that with FPGAs or even an ASIC you could take some smaller models we have today, turn the chip into essentially that model-as-hardware, and get some really compelling performance/power-usage characteristics.
At that point running a GOOD quantized Q8 model on a phone is not beyond the realm.
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fennecbutt | an hour ago
fennecbutt | an hour ago
That's what I was hoping for with Taalas, ultimately ending up with a microsd-ish card that's hot swappable intelligence.
Grombobulous | 4 hours ago
tiffanyh | 4 hours ago
dd8601fn | 4 hours ago
That arrangement will change, somewhat, later today.
velcrovan | 5 hours ago
sajithdilshan | 5 hours ago
Maybe apple can even have something similar to MCPs for tool invocations of apps and publish it so all models can actually be trained to use that framework
atonse | 5 hours ago
crazyeng | 5 hours ago
aNoob7000 | 5 hours ago
Apple is in the game of providing an application platform. Maybe in the future they will provide their own LLM.
layer8 | 5 hours ago
sigbottle | 4 hours ago
fennecbutt | an hour ago
musictubes | an hour ago
HumblyTossed | 5 hours ago
saghm | 5 hours ago
MBCook | 4 hours ago
This would’ve been useful during their bake off where they were trying to choose if they wanted to go with Google, Anthropic, or OpenAI. But even without that, they would absolutely not want to be in a situation where they had to redo everything to get off a bad partner.
stego-tech | 5 hours ago
I do not want my personal data or the queries against it to leave my network boundaries if at all possible. This should be a default option.
Grombobulous | 4 hours ago
Make a Shortcut that will open your local voice assistant app of choice when you press the action button.
isodev | 5 hours ago
dd8601fn | 4 hours ago
This is not that. This is expanding the Extensions that you already have. You can look at it in your Settings already.
All of which is why EU users are being left behind on the new Apple Intelligence (for now).
Kuyawa | 4 hours ago
Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer
Now that's an agent I'd use. Can we start with Siri for the terminal?$ Siri 'List the files in this folder'
Telemakhos | 4 hours ago
https://apfel.franzai.com/
Dennip | 4 hours ago
Google assistant on the nvidia shield left Siri in the dust years ago. Siri can't even chain basic commands in your smart home, it can't retain any kind of context (e.g. dim the lights...a bit more).
Tagbert | 4 hours ago
c-hendricks | 3 hours ago
So, progress?
Any agent with the Home Assistant MCP hooked up can do it fine.
fragmede | 3 hours ago
dawnerd | 3 hours ago
verdverm | 3 hours ago
pram | an hour ago
verdverm | 29 minutes ago
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However I thought semen-eye was more clever
dbbk | 3 hours ago
prepend | 3 hours ago
This was frustrating for me as it always prompted “who cares? Just turn off the lights.” As well as would drive my parents and other guests batty.
smelendez | 2 hours ago
I guess you should be able to create a bucket of low-risk tasks that require zero authentication, like letting your guests turn off the lights. I do get why they are cautious, though, because in some cases this could be a security risk, like a burglar turning off lights from outside the home.
xattt | 2 hours ago
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hodder | 4 hours ago
fennecbutt | an hour ago
bubblegumcrisis | 4 hours ago
reaperducer | 3 hours ago
"Dammit, Bobby! Turn off the dang lights!"
cobolcomesback | 4 hours ago
“AI as a chat bot” has always been cool and fun in sci-fi movies, but it’s the least imaginative real world use for it. We need to move past it.
> $ Siri 'List the files in this folder'
Why in the world would I ever use this instead of just ‘ls’?
bastawhiz | 3 hours ago
mhurron | 3 hours ago
and more often than not isn't reliable unless you have a midwestern US accent.
Siri wasn't good. It still isn't good. Apple hasn't delivered on its promises with it and that's why it's being replaced with Gemini.
jnsie | 3 hours ago
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ryandrake | 2 hours ago
I've never understood this obsession with trying to invent the talking ship computer from Star Trek TNG. The purpose of the talking computer in the series was not to be a "cool 24th century technology advancement". It was a plot device to keep the story going and explain things to the audience. Having a voice conversation with a computer is terrible, imprecise, plodding UX. It's not a good interface, it's not a good invention, it's not good technology. Yet $billions are being spent to try to invent it.
jarjoura | 2 hours ago
sholladay | an hour ago
The best example I can think of in favor of what you are saying, where the computer does kind of serve the story and helps the audience, is the episode where Doctor Crusher gets stuck in the warp bubble and she has a lot of conversations with the computer about what is happening. But even then, she is out of her element, needs a lot of help from the computer, and it seems more convenient to do so via voice than anything else. She still travels to different areas of the ship to carry out actions, even though she probably doesn’t have to in case. The computer is clearly at its best for simple actions and answering questions, even if it can do more. The characters understand that and use the technology accordingly.
dosisking | 51 minutes ago
Gud | 28 minutes ago
jarjoura | 2 hours ago
Instead of quickly iterating to find how to take voice to the next level, both projects quickly locked in on whatever that was and became too costly to pivot.
bryanrasmussen | 2 hours ago
cobolcomesback: "ls, granny"
Granny: "it said No such file or directory"
cobolcomesback: "no, that's... just write ls, granny.
Granny: "I wrote ls granny it said no such file or directory."
cobolcomesback: "just.. from now on... just write Siri 'list all files in this directory', granny"
Granny: "I wrote siri list all files in this directory granny and it told me all the files and then it also asked me who's granny and I told it and it said nice to meet you"
cobolcomesback: "SIGH"
ActorNightly | an hour ago
The thing that nobody really realized is that setup is a big factor that isn't worth to a lot of people. For example, to turn off lights with Alexa, you have to do a whole bunch of setup that involves installing special lights, installing app, connecting the app to Alexa. Even though relatively this is simple, its just not worth the effort to a lot of people.
Amazon or Apple could easily overcome this by offering Alexa or Siri connected devices as incentive to builders building houses or apartments. That way, when you plug in Alexa in your new apartment, it can auto detect everything it can control including lights, thermostat appliances, e.t.c.
usern20260720 | 3 hours ago
I am waiting for this function to sort my folders
fragmede | 3 hours ago
runjake | 2 hours ago
It already exists in macOS 27: fm(1)
It is an extremely powerful tool, but here are the basics:
divbzero | 2 hours ago
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2026/334/
runjake | an hour ago
yndoendo | an hour ago
Example: "I can use AI to combine multiple PDFs into a single PDF."
fennecbutt | an hour ago
Okay let me just install a tool to do that because the OS doesn't usually have it built in in 2026.
Oh, it's riddled with ads. Oh it's paid for. Etc.
It's the same thing with the recent opening of knowledge thanks to AI.
Before: search for recipe with search riddled with ads, find website riddled with ads cookies notification requests forced sign up and a million other dark patterns, then an entire fucking life story before the recipe.
Now: "find me a good recipe for pasta that uses the stuff I have left over from the party last weekend, I don't mind buying a few more bits".
tzs | an hour ago
On Mac select the PDFs in Finder. Right click on the selected files to bring up the context menu. Select "Create a PDF" from the Quick Actions submenu.
This works with PDF files and image files as inputs.
kglrlkndkflcmnr | an hour ago
https://youtube.com/watch?v=W63oJtX0dP8
WalterGR | an hour ago
For major platforms: “iOS 10.0+ / iPadOS 10.0+ / macOS 12.0+ / watchOS 3.2+”
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re missing?
vouaobrasil | 4 hours ago
LetsGetTechnicl | 4 hours ago
kisamoto | 4 hours ago
Self promotion blog article:
https://braw.dev/blog/2026-04-06-mobile-os-as-agentic-broker...
embedding-shape | 4 hours ago
Besides, the modern concept of "agent" is what, some year old? Bit fast to ossify stuff in the OSes already.
kmfrk | 4 hours ago
I wonder what the margin on this stuff is for them:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/127901OptionOfT | 3 hours ago
I like tinkering with this stuff, everything around me is a perpetual lab, so I have more than 5 cameras that I'd like to hook up to this. But I REALLY don't NEED or WANT 12TB or storage.
I want all of these integrations to be possible locally, without having to send my data to the cloud.
But I cannot. A lot of these nice integrations aren't offered for fully-local setups.
theturtletalks | 4 hours ago
I built an app that lets me run terminals on my MacBook. It’s a Next app so I can go to that website on my phone using Tailscale. It has a built-in MCP server, so I can connect it to ChatGPT and have it create terminal sessions, orchestrate terminal sessions, all that good stuff.
Down the line, I’d like to be able to connect it to Siri and just talk to my phone and it can control terminal sessions and projects that I’m working on on my laptop.
c-hendricks | 3 hours ago
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rock_artist | 3 hours ago
With mobile devices especially where ideally models could be shared across several apps.
But this specific code I'd assume is targeted to comply with EU regulations more than anything.
OT:
Since I've moved to Spain my principal Apple account is still in my home country but I've made another one for local app-store (since some local apps aren't available if you're not in the Spanish store).
iPhone is acting really strange, I'm logged to my principal account for iCloud+ and anything and local App Store.
If I log back to my principal account, I loose HCE mode and my building NFC app stops working until I re-log in the Spanish Apple Store.
If I'm logged at the Spanish account, I loose Siri AI which is blocked in the EU...
TheDong | 3 hours ago
The code for all of those things is there, but not enabled if for most iOS users. There's a non-zero chance this code is there for Apple to try and convince the EU to let them release a Siri AI, and then just like sideloading have some impossible-to-actually-use alternative path to make the DMA happy.
jeroenhd | 2 hours ago
There's profit to be made by offering customers choices here, I'm sure Apple will be ready to scoop up all of those delicious slop dollars.
cdrnsf | 3 hours ago
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jimmydoe | 2 hours ago
iPhone is different, one button hold on phone without touch the phone is arguably Apple's last and only moat.
yalogin | 2 hours ago
awakeasleep | 2 hours ago
I've been using the new siri, and it seems more or less stuck in instant-answer mode, which gives really terrible answers with any provider.
I wish more people were talking about this, but if you can't crank up the models to extended thinking, the technology is more or less stuck at 2004 levels of usefulness.
fennecbutt | an hour ago