Also, realize that the best time to upgrade your hardware was yesterday and that the second best time is now. If you can afford sensible upgrades, especially RAM and SSD capacity, it may be worth doing sooner rather than later.
Very true. I bought a PC from a system integrator that wasn't immediately passing on the price increases (i.e. they were selling their parts inventory based on what they paid for it, not the market value), largely because of the Moore's Law is Dead article. It has, effectively, doubled in value in the month I've had it.
Sensible upgrades is the key factor as well. If you want to upgrade a PC but still have very decent storage it makes no sense to buy a new storage at inflated prices now.
I'm on brink of upgrading my PC. I already ordered PSU that will replace my 14 years old one that is not up to ask today with 2x 200W 12v rails (if it was 1x 400 it might do).
I will be buying second hand GPU, likely 6800XT.
And then motherblard, CPU and RAM. I will buy new RAM, that I'm sure about, I don't want to buy used an then haggle about it (not)working and the used prices are almost like new ones anyway. I will buy 16GB for now and we'll see. I use Linux whixh doesn't take up that many resources as Windows does - 16GB will do for time being.
I'm still thinking about bu,ing new Ryzen 5 5600XT. I would be buying into old socket without reasonable upgrade path but my current PC is 10 years old and the only reason I'm buying new is because there is no upgrade path. I suppose I can live with 5600 XT for at least 5 years, likely more. And by that time even if I had AM5, I may still be kinda out of upgrade path anyway and would be byuing new...
And the storage? I'm keeping my SATA SSD for the moment. It works fine, I don"t care about half a second delay (if we compare to NVME) when normally using it and I can wait when loading games. I would be buying new but I will wait for the price to come down.
I honestly think that there is some kind of mental illness going on specifically among the American business leadership class at this point. It’s one thing to have a large company exit a market that they are doing bad in but it’s another thing entirely to abandon ones where you control a high portion of it.
Frankly it’s just completely astonishing how many things that our country relies on in order to function essentially can’t be made here. We’ve outsourced everything. While we are still making some essentials, such as foodstuff, the machines that are actually processing those materials to make them usable are all made overseas - China, more often than not. And of course, it’s China who will be bailing us out of this stupid situation too.
If you're talking about Micron, that's a very different situation. What they exited was having a D2C brand. Neither Samsung or SK has a D2C brand either, they rely on 3rd parties to market and be the final seller of the product.
Micron still supplies other brands. G.Skill, Corsair, and Kingston all get their RAM from Micron, and they are still selling products. There's no indication that Micron is going to stop supplying them.
I have SSDs that are branded Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron. Are you saying that Micron is going to stop selling the more consumer-targeted Crucial-branded products, but that they will keep selling the more prosumer/SMB Micron-branded products to consumers?
It’s gray market adjacent. You can see on the specs that this is server RAM, meant for data centers. It’s not intended, but not prohibited, for being a consumer product.
The article doesn't touch on what happens when/if AI bubble bursts. (imo, it's more when than if, but that's besides the point)
I'm not going to pretend that I know what will happen for certain, but I imagine that a lot of orders will be cancelled, these factories will scramble to find new buyers, and for a while a lot of hardware costs may come back down (and then we all perish and die in the panic of the stock market crash and all that jazz)
It depends on if the manufacturers build new fabs or not. Everything I have heard so far is that they are very hesitant to scale up, because of this exact issue. If the bubble bursts today and every order is cancelled, the market would likely settle out to what it was pre-ai. If they build some new fabs and the bubble pops, the market would probably settle out a bit cheaper than pre-ai because of the extra production capacity. If they built enough new fabs to handle the ai bubble then it popped, the market would be crazy. It’s possible that ram would end up being cheap enough that the manufacturers will go out of business, causing the supply to vastly decrease, meaning more expensive ram.
It also really depends on how long the manage to keep the bubble inflated and how big the burst ends up being. I do feel it is wishful thinking to bet on it popping and hardware prices going down again as well. Certainly to previous price levels and if they do I think it will take a while.
What an odd website. The author advocates for disabling javascript, btw, by changing your tab's name and favicon to what they figure is embarrassing content. Here's their manifesto for anyone who missed it:
Ah, yes. That moment. The one that sends a chill down your spine and makes you do a quick, frantic scan of your surroundings, hoping nobody noticed that brief, undeniable flash of panic on your face. You know exactly what I'm talking about: That split second when you spot that website in your browser's tab bar.
Heart pounding, you dart a glance at your coworkers, your friends, your partner, or anyone in the vicinity, searching for signs of judgment or, worse, curiosity. No one's looking, but somehow, you feel like everyone is. It's like the universe knows, and it's giggling behind its hand. You quickly click over to the tab, praying, hoping it's not what you think it is.
And then, oh sweet relief, it's not that. But now, a whole new, equally horrible truth sinks in. You've just been pranked by the cruel, merciless soul who crafted this infernal website. You, my friend, have just experienced the finest torture modern web technology has to offer: Unwarranted suspense, followed by the revelation that nothing is as it seems.
JavaScript, you son of a smoking gun. The great trickster of the web, slinking in the background, making you believe that your browsing experience is smooth and simple, only to slap you with a pop-up, a subtle redirect, or worse, a blinking ad that's seemingly impossible to close.
And here you are, caught in the endless cycle of knowing you should turn JavaScript off but just not caring enough to actually do it. It's like knowing you should stop eating those extra chips but doing it anyway. But this? This is the universe giving you a little nudge, perhaps a not-so-subtle one, reminding you of your folly.
So, here it is, loud and clear: Turn JavaScript off, now, and only allow it on websites you trust! Save your sanity, preserve your dignity, and maybe give your browser a fighting chance at actually doing what you want it to do. Because if you don't, the next time you see that icon, your heart might not only drop, it might skip a beat or two.
More information here.
You have no idea what any of this means? Then you probably haven't noticed this page's tab icon and title while it was inactive/sent to the background. Simply open a new tab and see how this tab changes. :-)
Multiple different ones, nothing too bad other than someone who sees what looks like you googling nudes at work:
Rick Astley youtube
Jeff Bezos Nude google search
Taylor Swift Merch Amazon
Mr Beast youtube
etc.
Prediction time: most of the comments will be basic bitching about the JavaScript popup and the browser tab rug pull when you switch to a different tab. There will be zero informative or interesting comments about the content of the article because orange-site-tier[1] comments will snuff this post.
I thought it was rather funny. Truth be told, if this is your only OP comment and you do this whole thing, I feel like you want people to talk about it more than the subject matter. Joke is on you, most comments are on topic with yours being one of two that are off-topic. Technically three if you count my comment.
1. What's that? You want to know if I mean "reddit" or "hacker news" when I write "orange site"? Jokes on you. They're both equally terrible.
Oh ... sorry, I took your bait. I was going to comment about whether a secondhand market would show up around remanufactured data centre parts, but the weird appeal to disabling JS popped up when I went back to grab quotes from the article.
Apologies. I feel pretty dumb for commenting it now. Probably a good time to sign off for the day anyhow.
I don't know why you'd feel dumb for a comment about something that very much is designed to attract your attention and by its nature will distract you from the main content.
DefiantEmbassy | a day ago
Very true. I bought a PC from a system integrator that wasn't immediately passing on the price increases (i.e. they were selling their parts inventory based on what they paid for it, not the market value), largely because of the Moore's Law is Dead article. It has, effectively, doubled in value in the month I've had it.
creesch | a day ago
Sensible upgrades is the key factor as well. If you want to upgrade a PC but still have very decent storage it makes no sense to buy a new storage at inflated prices now.
Pavouk106 | 17 hours ago
I'm on brink of upgrading my PC. I already ordered PSU that will replace my 14 years old one that is not up to ask today with 2x 200W 12v rails (if it was 1x 400 it might do).
I will be buying second hand GPU, likely 6800XT.
And then motherblard, CPU and RAM. I will buy new RAM, that I'm sure about, I don't want to buy used an then haggle about it (not)working and the used prices are almost like new ones anyway. I will buy 16GB for now and we'll see. I use Linux whixh doesn't take up that many resources as Windows does - 16GB will do for time being.
I'm still thinking about bu,ing new Ryzen 5 5600XT. I would be buying into old socket without reasonable upgrade path but my current PC is 10 years old and the only reason I'm buying new is because there is no upgrade path. I suppose I can live with 5600 XT for at least 5 years, likely more. And by that time even if I had AM5, I may still be kinda out of upgrade path anyway and would be byuing new...
And the storage? I'm keeping my SATA SSD for the moment. It works fine, I don"t care about half a second delay (if we compare to NVME) when normally using it and I can wait when loading games. I would be buying new but I will wait for the price to come down.
Akir | a day ago
I honestly think that there is some kind of mental illness going on specifically among the American business leadership class at this point. It’s one thing to have a large company exit a market that they are doing bad in but it’s another thing entirely to abandon ones where you control a high portion of it.
Frankly it’s just completely astonishing how many things that our country relies on in order to function essentially can’t be made here. We’ve outsourced everything. While we are still making some essentials, such as foodstuff, the machines that are actually processing those materials to make them usable are all made overseas - China, more often than not. And of course, it’s China who will be bailing us out of this stupid situation too.
stu2b50 | 23 hours ago
If you're talking about Micron, that's a very different situation. What they exited was having a D2C brand. Neither Samsung or SK has a D2C brand either, they rely on 3rd parties to market and be the final seller of the product.
Micron still supplies other brands. G.Skill, Corsair, and Kingston all get their RAM from Micron, and they are still selling products. There's no indication that Micron is going to stop supplying them.
cutmetal | 17 hours ago
I have SSDs that are branded Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron. Are you saying that Micron is going to stop selling the more consumer-targeted Crucial-branded products, but that they will keep selling the more prosumer/SMB Micron-branded products to consumers?
stu2b50 | 17 hours ago
No, we're talking about RAM, not SSDs.
cutmetal | 5 hours ago
Well I've also got Samsung- and Hynix-branded RAM, though I can't recall if I've ever seen Micron-branded RAM.
So you're saying that Micron will keep selling RAM to consumers, just not under the Crucial line?
stu2b50 | 5 hours ago
If you do, it's would have to be part of a prebuilt or laptop. Samsung and SK don't sell RAM as consumer kits.
But yes, Micron will continue selling RAM to companies that sell RAM to consumers - well known brands like Corsair or G.Skill are examples.
cutmetal | 5 hours ago
I guess maybe things have changed since then, but at the end of 2023 I bought this Samsung RAM kit from Newegg
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/1X5-000A-001B3?tpk=1&item=1X5-000A-001B3
Or maybe this was some kind of grey market sale, even though it was sold and shipped by Newegg themselves?
In any case thanks for the clarification on what Micron's announcement means.
stu2b50 | 5 hours ago
It’s gray market adjacent. You can see on the specs that this is server RAM, meant for data centers. It’s not intended, but not prohibited, for being a consumer product.
cutmetal | 4 hours ago
Now I understand why all the ECC RAM I buy usually comes in generic packaging! Thanks.
JCAPER | a day ago
The article doesn't touch on what happens when/if AI bubble bursts. (imo, it's more when than if, but that's besides the point)
I'm not going to pretend that I know what will happen for certain, but I imagine that a lot of orders will be cancelled, these factories will scramble to find new buyers, and for a while a lot of hardware costs may come back down (and then we all perish and die in the panic of the stock market crash and all that jazz)
Or is there something that I'm missing?
Weldawadyathink | a day ago
It depends on if the manufacturers build new fabs or not. Everything I have heard so far is that they are very hesitant to scale up, because of this exact issue. If the bubble bursts today and every order is cancelled, the market would likely settle out to what it was pre-ai. If they build some new fabs and the bubble pops, the market would probably settle out a bit cheaper than pre-ai because of the extra production capacity. If they built enough new fabs to handle the ai bubble then it popped, the market would be crazy. It’s possible that ram would end up being cheap enough that the manufacturers will go out of business, causing the supply to vastly decrease, meaning more expensive ram.
creesch | a day ago
It also really depends on how long the manage to keep the bubble inflated and how big the burst ends up being. I do feel it is wishful thinking to bet on it popping and hardware prices going down again as well. Certainly to previous price levels and if they do I think it will take a while.
kacey | a day ago
What an odd website. The author advocates for disabling javascript, btw, by changing your tab's name and favicon to what they figure is embarrassing content. Here's their manifesto for anyone who missed it:
PelagiusSeptim | a day ago
What does the tab and icon change to? I can't get it to happen on mobile firefox
Grenno | a day ago
Multiple different ones, nothing too bad other than someone who sees what looks like you googling nudes at work:
Rick Astley youtube
Jeff Bezos Nude google search
Taylor Swift Merch Amazon
Mr Beast youtube
etc.
DefiantEmbassy | 23 hours ago
The JS file is pretty easy to read, although it's actually just a copy of what is on disable-javascript.org.
Or in table format!
kacey | 23 hours ago
Ah, the Javascript hook to listen for tab changing might not fire properly on mobile. You aren't missing much, as Grenno noted 😅
[OP] hungariantoast | a day ago
creesch | a day ago
I thought it was rather funny. Truth be told, if this is your only OP comment and you do this whole thing, I feel like you want people to talk about it more than the subject matter. Joke is on you, most comments are on topic with yours being one of two that are off-topic. Technically three if you count my comment.
the amount I care
Akir | a day ago
Did you actually see @hungariantoast’s comment? I assumed it was a mistake post because it’s completely blank for me.
creesch | a day ago
It is still there, apparently tildes supports html comment tags.
They wrapped their comment in it. Which is part of the reason why I felt like they actually wanted people to do "basic bitching".
Akir | a day ago
Well now I really want to know how it is that you read it.
creesch | a day ago
Click "More..." then click "view markdown"
kacey | 23 hours ago
Oh ... sorry, I took your bait. I was going to comment about whether a secondhand market would show up around remanufactured data centre parts, but the weird appeal to disabling JS popped up when I went back to grab quotes from the article.
Apologies. I feel pretty dumb for commenting it now. Probably a good time to sign off for the day anyhow.
creesch | 22 hours ago
I don't know why you'd feel dumb for a comment about something that very much is designed to attract your attention and by its nature will distract you from the main content.
It's perfectly valid to notice and comment about.