Parents want tech banned from schools. Teachers respond that it's an insane idea

124 points by waozen 21 hours ago on reddit | 83 comments

joshrice | 21 hours ago

I know several teachers and not a single one of them want phones or any tech beyond a single big screen to watch something on from time to time in their rooms. (typing, and general computer literacy classes aside...which somehow no longer exist in many schools!!)

This screams of disinfo BS to me.

OakTeach | 20 hours ago

+100. Millennial teacher here, no one wants tech. I make all my high school students leave their phones in a box at the door. I'm horrified that my first grader gets edtech slop as a reward in her school.

Even the students, when asked to give advice to younger counterparts, say "don't take notes on your computer, you'll never be able to pay attention." They're more and more aware of how addictive and propagandized their use is.

FuzzyFacePhilosphy | 19 hours ago

I dont agree with making them place their property in a box when we have tons of video evidence shot from kids phones of inappropriate acts happening by teachers to students.

Maybe teach the kids to not use their phones, kinda how you are teaching them other stuff... supposedly.

Any parent is obviously at fault also but at some point we need to take responsibility and get ahead of things bc you are making a work force of people that stare at their phones during work

OakTeach | 19 hours ago

Weird take. "Don't make them set their phones down, but take responsibility for them staring at their phones!"

The solution for your problem is cameras in classrooms. Not a thing I'm for, because I don't like mass surveillance of people. But I'd vastly prefer that to student videos which are more often used against each other. They can be edited, chunks taken out of context, used for deepfakes of each other, etc.

FuzzyFacePhilosphy | 19 hours ago

Wrong, classic redditor.

Take what I said and change it to fit your narrative....

Instead of taking their personal property, they should be taught to be productive respectful humans... but teachers have a syllabus and vacations to be on, so its hard

thehonorablechairman | 17 hours ago

What do vacations have to do with this?

OakTeach | 19 hours ago

I'm sorry. You're actually right, I don't use that language with high school students. I'll change the language: "I EXPECT all my students to leave their phones in a box at the door, and they do, because I have taught them that it is productive, respectful and community minded to do so. I also make sure my class is urgent and interesting so they feel that their time is not wasted, and I never put them on apps for the same reason."

timnuoa | 21 hours ago

I started teaching at the dawn of the “1 to 1” era of every student gets a cheap laptop, and the last few years I’ve been moving progressively away to the point where we barely use them in my class anymore.

blue-mooner | 20 hours ago

Can you please share your experience and how I can help transition my kids 5th grade teacher away? Every time I’ve been in their class every kid is on those chromebooks

timnuoa | 14 hours ago

I’d definitely (gently) mention your feelings on it the next time you organically have a chance, but they’re probably not going to overhaul their instruction based on one parent. But if they’re already feeling fed up with the tech themselves, knowing that there’s parents who feel the same way could be impactful.

I don’t know the situation in your particular school/district, but a better place to intervene might be in the curriculum adoption process. It may well be the case that the district/school has adopted a very computer focused curriculum, and it would either take a ton of work to move away from it or actually result in getting disciplined (again that varies big time place to place). That would start with talking to the principal and probably organizing with likeminded parents.

unwantedspork | 19 hours ago

The only person I see quoted in the article opposing this is a school board member who is definitionally not a teacher.

King_Saline_IV | 17 hours ago

I would bet money that teacher's partner owns an education software company

CrazyButRightOn | 7 hours ago

Spoke to several teachers. They want phones out and common sense in.

Noressa | 21 hours ago

My kids are in a school and computers/tech are a large part of it. My husband and I are in full favor because both our kids are above grade level academically but they are absolutely not emotionally able to skip grades. The tech allows adaptive learning for them and allows them to continue to learn at their own ranges while still participating with their classmates. We catch up with their teachers often and re-assess goals often. This is interspersed with a huge focus on science and tech, research projects even starting from first grade. Hands on science experiments.

Science and medicine is heavily dominated by tech. Teachers and students alike need to be comfortable integrating tech into the world because the world is increasingly reliant and built upon tech advances.

kylco | 20 hours ago

Sounds like your kids attend a top 1-2% school with a highly resourced school district, excellent teacher:student ratios, and extremely engaged parents.

Which, as I noted in the first part of my sentence, is not the case for 97+% of schools and likely even a higher percentage of students, because the sorts of schools that can afford such resource-intensive efforts are necessarily exclusive by design, class, or geography.

Noressa | 20 hours ago

Central Texas charter school. :D Not super highly resourced, but it's the way the school is designed. It's specifically a STEM school though, and we're lucky the lottery got us in.

(For added fun, both our kiddos have computers at home as well and know how to navigate to Youtube already... My kinder has definitely had a few times where the teacher conversation has been "She's going to youtube to watch cat videos. I have her turn them off because she shouldn't be doing that here." So we just have to keep reinforcing this is OK to do at home, but not school. Which is another level of fun. I am however grateful that they're learning good internet hygiene even starting in K. Even though I'm pretty sure my kinder doesn't understand it at all as evidenced by her asking me why telling someone your name on the internet isn't a good idea. But at least the school is trying.)

GildedKoiFish | 21 hours ago

I read the article, I didn’t see any time where it quoted a teacher for saying it’s “insane”.  It’s worth a read to hear different perspectives on how tech should be handled, but the incendiary title is not great.    The one time it quotes someone involved in the school they said “There is not an option for us to not have technology in schools,” said Lower Merion School Board member Anna Shurak.

mealsharedotorg | 21 hours ago

The article is paywalled for me so I don't know if it's referenced in the article, but it's funny to have a quote from Lower Merion about tech given the scandal that happened some years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District

egg_enthusiast | 17 hours ago

Yeah, that headline is doing some serious lifting.

I skimmed the article and the only pro-tech position I could find was the school board member saying:

> “There is not an option for us to not have technology in schools,” said Lower Merion School Board member Anna Shurak.

Literally every other quote said tech in classrooms sucks. Even the superintendant said they will work on finding some alternative paths.

The fact that there's 59 comments as of my post and you're the only one mentioning this speaks volumes

buckleyschance | 8 hours ago

And Shurak was specifically saying that it's not an option for those schools right now, given the current curriculum. She's not even saying they shouldn't move in that direction

sworntostone | 21 hours ago

I’m a teacher and I don’t think it’s insane at all.

mrekted | 21 hours ago

Sure. I mean, as a teacher, why in the world would you be at all interested in providing your students with knowledge and skills that they can take with them and apply in todays rapidly evolving world? Far better to stick with how it has always been done, because if it was good enough for us, it's good enough for them. Right?

lordrayleigh | 21 hours ago

Maybe try to engage with the comment rather that going for an evicoration. Teachers might face issue in classrooms full of technology that you fail to understand.

jvbball | 20 hours ago

You sound like a person who doesn’t understand how learning works or how learned skills are transferable

mrekted | 20 hours ago

Maybe, but I'm also a person who owns a business that can't hire anyone under 25 because they don't know how to operate a computer.

jvbball | 20 hours ago

lol

millennial_falcon | 16 hours ago

You must be absolutely lousy to work for.

mensrea | 13 hours ago

Don’t worry.  No imaginary workers were harmed in this fantastical fabrication.

millennial_falcon | 12 hours ago

Hah! I have a cousin who is a real business owner and says the same thing, except about critical thinking. I’m sure he’s not wrong, and I’ve seen how Gen Z struggles with work-specific tech, but really the burden should be on employers to train if they want workers! Nobody trains anymore.

hiigaran | 10 hours ago

In my experience (20+ years in IT, from helpdesk, sys admin, network admin, cloud infrastructure engineer) devices like ipads have made this worse, not better.

Apple made devices so foolproof a 3 year old can use them. They're so easy to use that nobody has to figure out how to fix them. Nobody is going to spend a day figuring out sound driver issues on a win 95 machine to get MechWarrior 2 working properly. That time is past and talking like ipads are the solution is definitely wrong.

Kids need to learn how to think about things. Systems thinking. That can be taught with books and paper, no tech required.

holyfruits | 20 hours ago

You mean like have them be able to read a book?

https://preview.redd.it/kp9rt7zz641h1.jpeg?width=1116&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=decd277b465e1455b8bb0dd0843eb5785ed7b178

mensrea | 21 hours ago

As a neophyte who knows nothing about pedagogy (it’s obvious from your comment), why would you listen to the folks who do this every day or, I don’t know make, yourself aware of any of the research that shows that technology in classrooms is making our kids less capable, not more capable?

Jesus wept!

mrekted | 20 hours ago

I think my 18 years as a parent with 2 children currently in high school and one in post secondary qualifies me as someone who has an idea of what they're talking about.

Our difference is that I don't blame the technology. The failure lies with the educators (specifically, the policy makers and administrators), who are seemingly perpetually unable to successfully adjust the curriculum and resources to meet the needs of students graduating into a world that is vastly different than the one they grew up in.

mensrea | 20 hours ago

It does not. That’s not how pedagogy works. I own five Teslas, that does not make me an engineer.

mrekted | 20 hours ago

No, but it sure does qualify you to know a shitty car when you see one.

mensrea | 20 hours ago

You’ve already proven my point. Now you’re just gilding the lily.

You are a stakeholder in education, and you do have some second_hand experience of education as a parent of school-aged children. You do not have experience in teaching or providing education.

No offence, but opinions have different value:

If my doc gives a diagnosis, I listen. If Dave down the pub diagnosis me, I chuckle and ignore it.

If you're not a teacher, your opinion on education and the surrounding issues carries less weight than that of a teacher.

I also think you're grossly misunderstanding the central issue: obviously we need tech in computer science and tech skills do have a place in the curriculum. What we do not need is ipads and blooket in every lesson.

Momik | 21 hours ago

Can we just start with keeping AI out of schools? I’m an educator and the way AI affects kids and learning scares the hell out of me.

millennial_falcon | 16 hours ago

I’m really into AI, using it in my work with great success, and feel AI is often misunderstood…and I completely agree! As well as hope for a low tech education for the youth.

AI is not appropriately applied by the vast majority of students and frankly a significant number of teachers (i say this as a teacher), so it is best kept out/minimal.

Appropriate use of AI is rare and could perhaps be taught, but given what kids are like it will just revert to "do my homework for me".

mojo276 | 21 hours ago

Can't we have a balance? Not everything on a chromebook, and no personal electronics, but able to use them with reason to let each kid get individualized math lessons and stuff?

ShaneBarnstormer | 21 hours ago

It's funny to say "it's an insane idea" when all schools have been pre-tech until the 80s.

deskbeetle | 21 hours ago

Even in the early 2000s, if you were caught with a phone, iPod, whatever, it was confiscated and returned at the end of the day. The only computers were in labs and I never took a class that had computers except a single english section that had a lesson about how to look up credible sources online that culminated with a trip to the local university's library to do research on non fiction topics of our choice.

lordrayleigh | 21 hours ago

I don't think my high school had a computer lab. We had some computers in the library, but also a laptop cart with mostly falling apart slow laptops.

Noressa | 21 hours ago

That must be school specific. I was on a computer in many of my classes and I graduated in 1997. Sure, we didn't have youtube but if you knew enough there were games on every computer. I often finished early in chem and physics, and our teachers let us play on the computers while the rest of the class finished.

mrekted | 21 hours ago

I'm not really interested in having my kids be taught all the skills needed to make in the world of 1975, thanks.

Emergency_Word_7123 | 17 hours ago

The push to remove some tech from classrooms isn't about going back to pre-tech education. It's about the foundational skills needed to understand the world.

It's like calculators: if you never do math without one, you never really learn the basics.

Untjosh1 | 21 hours ago

Then teach your kid how to multitask and not screw around on their devices. Because most don't. Until then, ban them. No skin off my nose.

mrekted | 21 hours ago

Did you even read the article? This isn't about personal devices, it's about removing student access to school provided IT assets such as tablets and laptops, and going back to pencils and paper.

Stripping their access to technology is not conducive to educating a technologically sophisticated individual with relevant skills for todays workforce.

storemans | 21 hours ago

yeah and you could smoke cigarettes in schools until 1994. I don't particularly want to return schools to 1980s level. we're trying not to actively harm the students

gin_possum | 21 hours ago

So tech equals not smoking? What an odd non sequitur.

hotprof | 21 hours ago

No, you see, we've gone too far. Tech is so integrated into society and ingrained in the minds of the youth that the only way to eliminate tech from schools is to...go back in time.

oxycotin | 21 hours ago

Bad bot

ShaneBarnstormer | 20 hours ago

That's... one hell of a bridge construction. You must be a bot or a troll.

gorkt | 20 hours ago

Yeah, maybe you can ask your boss to go back to 1980's tech at work.

deskbeetle | 18 hours ago

Despite being surrounded by technology, gen z and gen Alpha have worse skills than millenials and gen X.

gorkt | 18 hours ago

Yes because they were handed tablets and laptops that were pre-built and didn't require tinkering. Tell me, do you know how to use a protractor?

deskbeetle | 17 hours ago

Yes. I do

gorkt | 16 hours ago

So do I, but its useless information in the age we live in. We need to teach kids how to use these tools responsibly instead of turning them loose with them in college. We are just pushing the problem further along.

deskbeetle | 12 hours ago

Why bring up the protractor? My argument was not that kids should learn the exact same things we do but the fact that access to technology does not lead to knowledge about technology. These kids are being set up for failure by being surrounded by distraction.

ShaneBarnstormer | 20 hours ago

What the hell is wrong with y'all's critical comprehension? This is terrifying, how many of y'all don't understand how to read critically. Go read a book, touch grass, learn to be a human being.

gorkt | 18 hours ago

I am not the one making snap judgements off a internet comment. Critical thinking and emotional regulation aren’t really your strengths it seems.

TC1996 | 21 hours ago

A total ban is not feasible or smart, but relying on tech too much isn’t doing much for the kids either. A balanced approach of teaching kids how to utilize technology/computers but also still teaching analog skills is what we need

anonanon1313 | 20 hours ago

Fortune articles have been pretty junky lately, just saying.

Aksama | 19 hours ago

Why in God's name is FORTUNE in food for thought?

It isn't even Fast Food (for thought). It's Dog Food for thought, maybe. Worms & Dirt for thought at best.

judolphin | 17 hours ago

100% Bullshit. I'm a former teacher (I taught information technology), know lots of former teachers, and they unanimously want to abolish laptops for students. I'm genuinely an expert on educational technology, have school aged children, the way Ed tech is being used today is extremely problematic, and literally every teacher knows this.

Any-Safe763 | 16 hours ago

34 four year in teaching. Get tech out of schools. It’s a $$ grift for certain companies

jgoldrb48 | 14 hours ago

Believe nothing from these mainstream media companies. Anyone can pay to have an article written and published in Fortune…

Open_Mortgage_4645 | 3 hours ago

If devices are going to be an integral part of education from kindergarten on, I belive schools have an obligation to make education on critical thinking and reason mandatory, and appropriate for each specific age range. I can't emphasize enough how important critical thinking and reasoning skills are to inoculate the youth on matters of persuasion and propaganda, as well as provide a foundation for knowing how to discern truth from fiction. And every day that passes, the need for such education increases.

muffledvoice | 20 hours ago

flawinthedesign | 20 hours ago

It’s insane that they gave children devices they don’t know how to use outside them of YouTube and social media. They also don’t train teachers how to teach with them with purpose.

RelationSensitive308 | 19 hours ago

Insanely good idea!

BlackEyedAngel01 | 20 hours ago

Many parents, at least at high school level, want the ability to stay in contact with their children throughout the day.

I_Downvoted_Your_Mom | 6 hours ago

That's not what the article is about.

justusleag | 19 hours ago

China will eat our lunch if we ban tech from the students.