I'm not ready to migrate (I refuse to call it an upgrade, so far) to Tahoe yet, and was very happy to see a path to silence/reduce the increasingly more insistent alerts.
same, I am extremely tired of the dark pattern I need to follow to make the dialogue go away. I’m strongly considering switching to Android (GrapheneOS)- I even have an old Pixel I can use.
For those without an iPhone, the dialogue pops up periodically [update now] [update tonight]. You have to click “update tonight” then it will prompt for your pin, which then has the option underneath to “remind later” instead.
You can disable Software Updates entirely. From my experience, iOS will still ping home to see if there are any updates, but the described pattern does not trigger. It'll nag you that an update exists, but you choose if and when to proceed with it.
I "upgraded" (perhaps I should say "migrated") to Tahoe so that my wife could see if she wanted to. I'm pretty sure she will not want to based on the reduction in screen real estate and the unwanted UI changes, at least until there's no other choice, so I think we might implement something like this if the upgrade prompts start driving her crazy. At least it doesn't seem to have impaired performance on my typical workloads, so there's that.
I feel like the biggest idiot: I still haven't even noticed this "liquid glass" thing, and I am always on the bleeding edge betas for macOS etc. The last change I noticed to the way the OS looks was back in '07, I think. The big jump of course was from AppleDOS to the original Mac, and I did notice that one.
(I'm not the person you're replying to, but... I'm kind of in that boat.)
They've drifted more the "our way or the highway" direction recently than they were when I started using them. Besides that, the upgrades have become more fraught than they used to be. Usually things stabilize in a decent-ish place, but they now start nagging long before I think they've gotten to that stable place I want them.
Also, to your "why use Apple" question, I think I'm probably switching back to a Linux laptop next time I decide to replace my daily driver. I don't like the direction Apple has gone, and KDE has gotten pretty nice to use. There's a lot that I'll miss about the Mac. I've been using Macs of some description as my primary desktop since 1991 or so, with a couple of (long) stretches where I've split time with Linux, Windows or both. The last time I used Linux on my laptop of first resort was 2018 - 2022. There were lots of things I liked better on Linux than Mac of that era, and lots of things I missed. But if I continue to no longer need to build iPad and iPhone native apps, Linux is a perfectly decent daily driver, that's what I'll likely do. RAM prices have me wanting to stretch the current laptop as long as I can, though.
I've thought about it. The main thing that makes me hesitate is that my SSD is only 512GB, I think it needs to be under 80% used to perform well, and I don't think it's reasonable (maybe not possible!) to get rid of the Mac OS partition completely to install Asahi. I struggle to keep it at less than 80% with just one OS on here. I think having two on here would make that a bigger challenge.
Also last time I looked into it, I think my thunderbolt dock wouldn't work, and I don't know if there's a good workaround for that on a 14" M1 Pro.
This particular OS release is definitely an outlier, not because I don't like Apple's opinions, but because it's decidedly un-Apple in its lack of polish. With the messaging crisis and a change of leadership at the top, I fully expect the next major release to solve for the worst crimes.
"fully expect" would be overstating my optimism, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it will. As mentioned elsewhere, I, too, would be happy about a Snow Leopard-style release. I'd be more optimistic if the change in leadership had been caused in any way by poor Mac OS quality.
I use my Macbook every day for development, and use a wide variety of applications, some of which are no longer updated/supported. I also have many customizations to make my workflow easier. As you point out, there's very little to gain by updating, but you miss the fact that a major OS upgrade is likely to break my tools, requiring days of figuring out workarounds (if they exist).
[OP] hoistbypetard | a day ago
I'm not ready to migrate (I refuse to call it an upgrade, so far) to Tahoe yet, and was very happy to see a path to silence/reduce the increasingly more insistent alerts.
robey | a day ago
Now I wish there was a way to do this on phones and tablets too.
dijit | 12 hours ago
same, I am extremely tired of the dark pattern I need to follow to make the dialogue go away. I’m strongly considering switching to Android (GrapheneOS)- I even have an old Pixel I can use.
For those without an iPhone, the dialogue pops up periodically [update now] [update tonight]. You have to click “update tonight” then it will prompt for your pin, which then has the option underneath to “remind later” instead.
aatango | 41 minutes ago
You can disable Software Updates entirely. From my experience, iOS will still ping home to see if there are any updates, but the described pattern does not trigger. It'll nag you that an update exists, but you choose if and when to proceed with it.
classichasclass | 22 hours ago
I "upgraded" (perhaps I should say "migrated") to Tahoe so that my wife could see if she wanted to. I'm pretty sure she will not want to based on the reduction in screen real estate and the unwanted UI changes, at least until there's no other choice, so I think we might implement something like this if the upgrade prompts start driving her crazy. At least it doesn't seem to have impaired performance on my typical workloads, so there's that.
Yogurt | 15 hours ago
I wonder how apple will respond to this. I hope we see a snow leopard style release next that just cleans things up
cpurdy | a day ago
I feel like the biggest idiot: I still haven't even noticed this "liquid glass" thing, and I am always on the bleeding edge betas for macOS etc. The last change I noticed to the way the OS looks was back in '07, I think. The big jump of course was from AppleDOS to the original Mac, and I did notice that one.
thiht | a day ago
Or you know, just upgrade. It barely changes anything.
nolanvoid | 20 hours ago
Or you know, just don’t constantly nag your users about an update that they don’t want
jlarocco | 19 hours ago
I agree with you, but why use Apple with that attitude? It's always been their way or the highway, so why push back now?
[OP] hoistbypetard | 17 hours ago
(I'm not the person you're replying to, but... I'm kind of in that boat.)
They've drifted more the "our way or the highway" direction recently than they were when I started using them. Besides that, the upgrades have become more fraught than they used to be. Usually things stabilize in a decent-ish place, but they now start nagging long before I think they've gotten to that stable place I want them.
Also, to your "why use Apple" question, I think I'm probably switching back to a Linux laptop next time I decide to replace my daily driver. I don't like the direction Apple has gone, and KDE has gotten pretty nice to use. There's a lot that I'll miss about the Mac. I've been using Macs of some description as my primary desktop since 1991 or so, with a couple of (long) stretches where I've split time with Linux, Windows or both. The last time I used Linux on my laptop of first resort was 2018 - 2022. There were lots of things I liked better on Linux than Mac of that era, and lots of things I missed. But if I continue to no longer need to build iPad and iPhone native apps, Linux is a perfectly decent daily driver, that's what I'll likely do. RAM prices have me wanting to stretch the current laptop as long as I can, though.
gnyeki | 17 hours ago
Is Asahi an option at all for your use case?
[OP] hoistbypetard | 16 hours ago
I've thought about it. The main thing that makes me hesitate is that my SSD is only 512GB, I think it needs to be under 80% used to perform well, and I don't think it's reasonable (maybe not possible!) to get rid of the Mac OS partition completely to install Asahi. I struggle to keep it at less than 80% with just one OS on here. I think having two on here would make that a bigger challenge.
Also last time I looked into it, I think my thunderbolt dock wouldn't work, and I don't know if there's a good workaround for that on a 14" M1 Pro.
ThinkChaos | 2 hours ago
SSDs are already overprovisioned out of the box. You can probably get away with being a lot closer to 100%.
danielrheath | 19 hours ago
Their software quality has gone downhill rapidly from what I can see - I no longer trust them to ship changes that don’t break my workflows.
simondotau | 9 hours ago
This particular OS release is definitely an outlier, not because I don't like Apple's opinions, but because it's decidedly un-Apple in its lack of polish. With the messaging crisis and a change of leadership at the top, I fully expect the next major release to solve for the worst crimes.
[OP] hoistbypetard | 9 hours ago
"fully expect" would be overstating my optimism, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it will. As mentioned elsewhere, I, too, would be happy about a Snow Leopard-style release. I'd be more optimistic if the change in leadership had been caused in any way by poor Mac OS quality.
dtgriscom | 8 hours ago
I use my Macbook every day for development, and use a wide variety of applications, some of which are no longer updated/supported. I also have many customizations to make my workflow easier. As you point out, there's very little to gain by updating, but you miss the fact that a major OS upgrade is likely to break my tools, requiring days of figuring out workarounds (if they exist).