The damage caused by climate change is not evenly distributed, it will hit mostly those countries which are struggling now anyways, so not much political pressure in the richer more powerful world. And china is doing a balancing act, creating industries now to seize the moment in the hope it will allow them to mitigate the damage to their coastline later this century.
It’s so weird that people can’t or won’t understand that we’re already in the disaster. The house is on fire, filling with smoke, but my skin hasn’t personally begun to roast like a Christmas ham, so I’ll wait to call the fire department. In fact, I’ve never needed the fire department before, I think cough it’s a waste of money cough, cough.
Nah… it’s more like driving off a cliff. We saw it coming, and knew that the brake lines were cut. So obviously we just kept trying to slam on the brakes anyway as the car hurtles through the air.
Well things have been set in motion that cannot be undone. Global warming is not a distant threat anymore, its current reality. I think we should now start focusing finding ways to adapt to the new climate.
A shocking number of people blindly believe that when it gets bad enough that we will suddenly have the technology to make it all better. People don’t realize the time to begin using that technology was like, in the 90s. Since then, basically every industry has just doubled-down on everything causing climate change.
Yes, when I was a baby in the early 1970s, the 'disposable diapers' actually decayed. One brand could even be flushed. Once Reagan was in office, the US reversed all ecological concerns. The gas pedal was floored, and the plastics industry turned from cellulose to petrochemicals.
Media definitely plays into it. I think the biggest problem is we create individuals as a society that have no interest in autonomy and are completely use to others solving their problems that they render themselves incapable of doing anything but watching. Just rather go home after work, watch some movie you are talking about and hope some random supped up technological savant Jesus saves us from ourselves.
That's not going to happen. Climate change isn't something that can be solved with a single technological breakthrough. Even if we suddenly had access to limitless clean energy tomorrow, it wouldn't undo the decades of emissions that we've been pumping into the atmosphere for the past 150 years. Real action requires foresight, strong policy, and tough decisions. All things that rich and powerful people actively avoid at all costs.
Well historically this has been true again and again. Manure crisis was averted by car, agricultural crisis was handled by habers process.
It’s just that these solutions should reach to every strata of the society.
Well, it will require a major breakthrough in nanotechnology. We have to undo trillions of tons of plastics that are in every living thing on earth. Until you have technology to remove plastic from your brain, bone, and muscle, there is not anything to save.
Well to be fair the plastic threat and global warming threat are seperate events. Both are existential crisis’. However they are somewhat seperate. We can avert one without the other. Not saying we will avert either issue and we could very well be fucked for both
Based on the saturation levels, key species to the global ecology are threatened. If you drastically alter the DNA of an entire biosphere leaving unknown outcomes, it isn't a separate issue. It is at the least a deeply intertwined issue and, at worst, the same issue so knotted as to appear separate.
We do focus on finding ways to adapt. The thing is: The higher the global warming, the harder these things are. It's a very different thing to prepare for a +1.5°C world than for a +3°C world, so working to minimize the global warming is still in our best interest.
“We can still limit the extent to which extremes get worse if we urgently reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero – but with global emissions still rising, it’s hard not to be increasingly concerned about how we will deal with what’s coming,” Betts said. “We already need to adapt to the changes that we’ve already caused, and adaptation will become increasingly difficult the longer we leave it to reduce emissions.”
Gonna be climate refugees anyway and we'll need the economic production to support the government spending for relocation.
And migration is economic opportunity.
Going too rapidly to Net Zero is pretty much impossible in democracies anyway. You kowtow too much to climate activists to the extent that you hurt the economy (or people's pocket books), and you just get voted out. The Canadian Trudeau government will find this out shortly.
You don’t need a good economy when human civilization is collapsing.
We’re floating toward a deadly waterfall and most of us are still paddling to go faster and faster toward it, because paddling is good for the economy.
We won’t have ANY economy when huge swaths of the Earth are uninhabitable and the population takes a nosedive — and that’s assuming the human race survives at all. But yeah, let’s worry about how much money corporations make.
No, we’re talking about the eventual collapse of the climate that can support us.
… and fuck corporate profits. They can continue to operate and make 1/100th as much profit and still pay the same wages as they do now. (Remember, “profit” is how much they make AFTER paying employees, research and development, etc.) We’ve just gotten used to corporations making million and billions. CEO pay is completely out of proportion to the actual benefit they offer.
Oh, the mythical economy! We will starve and die of thirst because we are over exploiting the natural resources but the sacred economy will be okay. As long as the line keeps going up and the multimillionaires keep getting richer, who cares about a couple billions of people starving and losing their homes, right? Who cares if our over-consuming society will end up killing the planet and throwing away countless resources into landfills as long as we get the new shiny electronics and companies don't lose their profits because they produced too much!
You will starve and die of thirst without a functional market economy. Civilization can manage changes in the weather.
And to be clear, I'm all in favor of shifting away from fossil fuels as soon as possible. I think burning away all the oil in just 200 years is fucking absurd. But as soon as possible means doing it in a way that isn't radical and destroys as few lives as possible.
The problem with both sides on a trade-offs topic like this is refusing to look at both sides of the ledger. But I'm not going to convince you of anything so keep on' keepin' on ranting.
You realize we throw a huge amount of the food we produce because we don't want to lower the price of food too much, right? We produce enough food as is today! However, if the planet keeps warming crops will fail more and more so we won't even be able to feed everyone if we wanted to.
Also, I live in a city that probably will be left without any water by August. Is it because of over-exploitation of the resources by corporations (and some individuals)? YES! However, global warming makes water evaporate more easily and lets the atmosphere keep more water evaporated. This means that this water crisis is becoming worse because of global warming. But oh poor multimillionaires they'll lose their investments.
I started this as my "troll" account in *2009*. It quickly became my main and I got bored trolling about a month after I started it. I don't post to get a negative reaction, I just don't give a sweet fuck if I do. I have nearly 400k karma without ever giving a shit about it. But you can't get 400k karma by deliberately trying to piss everyone off all the time. The only comment reactions I don't like are the ones with 1 karma and no comments.
But still not serious enough to limit private jet use or to stop illuminating empty office buildings and entire cities every night? Yet also just serious enough to add a tax for owning an EV and asking people who barely pollute to change their lives for the worst? OK got it, so very serious then.
It's one thing to be unprepared. It's quite another to actively avoid preparing for something because politically motivated interest groups have convinced enough people that there's nothing worth preparing for.
This is why I have little faith in humanity's ability to do anything about climate change. Until it greatly inconveniences rich/powerful people, nothing will be done about it. And it'll continue getting worse and worse.
The older people that run the major companies around the globe don’t really care because they will be dead before it’s ‘torrentially bad’. Even though they probably have children and grandchildren who will feel the effects longer
No shit... and the GQP and Fossil Fuel Fuck just continue raping and burning the planet. The human virus is determined to kill everything including the human species... SMH
I think we're too resilient as a species to be wiped out completely. Even if ecosystems collapse we'll probably find a way to keep small colonies afloat but most of us will definitely die at this rate.
But in a world with zones that are simply too hot to exist in, more difficult weather to predict, a steep decline in technological capabilities, and easy to reach resources are already mostly depleted. That’s if the atmosphere doesn’t burn us off the planet.
If you wanna be prepared practice fasting and drinking rain water. The only governments that are prepared are some of the richest and mainly only on a local level. Or the ones in areas with more stable predictions and less disaster risk. We can only keep rebuilding every time so long as the will to rebuild and the financing to fund it is available.
sewdgog | 1 year, 10 months ago
The damage caused by climate change is not evenly distributed, it will hit mostly those countries which are struggling now anyways, so not much political pressure in the richer more powerful world. And china is doing a balancing act, creating industries now to seize the moment in the hope it will allow them to mitigate the damage to their coastline later this century.
probablynotaskrull | 1 year, 10 months ago
It’s so weird that people can’t or won’t understand that we’re already in the disaster. The house is on fire, filling with smoke, but my skin hasn’t personally begun to roast like a Christmas ham, so I’ll wait to call the fire department. In fact, I’ve never needed the fire department before, I think cough it’s a waste of money cough, cough.
rk470 | 1 year, 10 months ago
No I'm pretty sure people have just given up
Cormega613 | 1 year, 10 months ago
What is an individual even supposed to do? I pay my carbon tax.
edtheheadache | 1 year, 10 months ago
What do you expect?
lilsniper | 1 year, 10 months ago
Revolt.
myringotomy | 1 year, 10 months ago
It's the boiling frog thing.
We all know it's too late and we are going to get cooked. In this case we can't even jump out if we want to.
cityshepherd | 1 year, 10 months ago
Nah… it’s more like driving off a cliff. We saw it coming, and knew that the brake lines were cut. So obviously we just kept trying to slam on the brakes anyway as the car hurtles through the air.
GnomeChomski | 1 year, 10 months ago
It's a helluva lot more like that than the 'frog thing'.
4dseeall | 1 year, 10 months ago
But the faster you go the more points you get, so we hit the accelerator instead.
Platinum-Jubilee | 1 year, 10 months ago
Well things have been set in motion that cannot be undone. Global warming is not a distant threat anymore, its current reality. I think we should now start focusing finding ways to adapt to the new climate.
josiahpapaya | 1 year, 10 months ago
A shocking number of people blindly believe that when it gets bad enough that we will suddenly have the technology to make it all better. People don’t realize the time to begin using that technology was like, in the 90s. Since then, basically every industry has just doubled-down on everything causing climate change.
somafiend1987 | 1 year, 10 months ago
70s.
hippydipster | 1 year, 10 months ago
We did begin it even earlier then the 70s. Even proved it worked great! Then, abandoned it.
somafiend1987 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Yes, when I was a baby in the early 1970s, the 'disposable diapers' actually decayed. One brand could even be flushed. Once Reagan was in office, the US reversed all ecological concerns. The gas pedal was floored, and the plastics industry turned from cellulose to petrochemicals.
cjdcjdcjdcjd | 1 year, 10 months ago
When Altenative Three was made.
sheesh9727 | 1 year, 10 months ago
This. People believe that some type of technological messiah is going to show up at the buzzer. Most people I’ve encountered have this take.
owlshapedboxcat | 1 year, 10 months ago
It's because of movies. People think life is like a narrative story, we're in the crunch so next it'll be the resolution and the denouement.
sheesh9727 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Media definitely plays into it. I think the biggest problem is we create individuals as a society that have no interest in autonomy and are completely use to others solving their problems that they render themselves incapable of doing anything but watching. Just rather go home after work, watch some movie you are talking about and hope some random supped up technological savant Jesus saves us from ourselves.
JackFisherBooks | 1 year, 10 months ago
That's not going to happen. Climate change isn't something that can be solved with a single technological breakthrough. Even if we suddenly had access to limitless clean energy tomorrow, it wouldn't undo the decades of emissions that we've been pumping into the atmosphere for the past 150 years. Real action requires foresight, strong policy, and tough decisions. All things that rich and powerful people actively avoid at all costs.
GnomeChomski | 1 year, 10 months ago
Don't forget about the ignorant christians immanentizing the...uh, 'Eschaton'.
aboysmokingintherain | 1 year, 10 months ago
I love the people saying “well now I live in great weather” it’s like my guy, you’re next
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
Maybe it's because we need to and it's high time we got busy thinking about adaptation.
bakait_launda | 1 year, 10 months ago
Well historically this has been true again and again. Manure crisis was averted by car, agricultural crisis was handled by habers process. It’s just that these solutions should reach to every strata of the society.
somafiend1987 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Well, it will require a major breakthrough in nanotechnology. We have to undo trillions of tons of plastics that are in every living thing on earth. Until you have technology to remove plastic from your brain, bone, and muscle, there is not anything to save.
aboysmokingintherain | 1 year, 10 months ago
Well to be fair the plastic threat and global warming threat are seperate events. Both are existential crisis’. However they are somewhat seperate. We can avert one without the other. Not saying we will avert either issue and we could very well be fucked for both
somafiend1987 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Based on the saturation levels, key species to the global ecology are threatened. If you drastically alter the DNA of an entire biosphere leaving unknown outcomes, it isn't a separate issue. It is at the least a deeply intertwined issue and, at worst, the same issue so knotted as to appear separate.
C_Madison | 1 year, 10 months ago
We do focus on finding ways to adapt. The thing is: The higher the global warming, the harder these things are. It's a very different thing to prepare for a +1.5°C world than for a +3°C world, so working to minimize the global warming is still in our best interest.
Eldan985 | 1 year, 10 months ago
We're already in the 1.5° world and the warming is still accelerating. We're like 30 years ahead of schedule on the 2° world, too.
C_Madison | 1 year, 10 months ago
Right. Replace the numbers as needed (I forgot the article from last week that we probably already reached 1.5°C), my point still stands.
paper_bull | 1 year, 10 months ago
And mitigation. It’s not the time to go oh well too late.
katzeye007 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Let's call it like it is -atmospheric carbon poisoning. ACP
myringotomy | 1 year, 10 months ago
We can't focus on those things either because they cost even more than preventing it would have.
Drewbus | 1 year, 10 months ago
I love when they keep sending this information to the civilians as if we have any control. Maybe just let us die in peace
[OP] flacao9 | 1 year, 10 months ago
“We can still limit the extent to which extremes get worse if we urgently reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero – but with global emissions still rising, it’s hard not to be increasingly concerned about how we will deal with what’s coming,” Betts said. “We already need to adapt to the changes that we’ve already caused, and adaptation will become increasingly difficult the longer we leave it to reduce emissions.”
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
So worst of both worlds? Climate destroyed already, let's destroy the economy too? It's important that we get maximum starvation here, people!
Eldan985 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Kinda difficult to try and save the economy when there's billions of climate refugees, too.
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
Gonna be climate refugees anyway and we'll need the economic production to support the government spending for relocation.
And migration is economic opportunity.
Going too rapidly to Net Zero is pretty much impossible in democracies anyway. You kowtow too much to climate activists to the extent that you hurt the economy (or people's pocket books), and you just get voted out. The Canadian Trudeau government will find this out shortly.
Tipop | 1 year, 10 months ago
You don’t need a good economy when human civilization is collapsing.
We’re floating toward a deadly waterfall and most of us are still paddling to go faster and faster toward it, because paddling is good for the economy.
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
Human civilization is the economy. Not enough people understand what's really keeping them civilized.
Tipop | 1 year, 10 months ago
We won’t have ANY economy when huge swaths of the Earth are uninhabitable and the population takes a nosedive — and that’s assuming the human race survives at all. But yeah, let’s worry about how much money corporations make.
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
Sorry but you must be talking about a gigantic meteor strike now.
Funny thing about corporations. People work there.
Tipop | 1 year, 10 months ago
No, we’re talking about the eventual collapse of the climate that can support us.
… and fuck corporate profits. They can continue to operate and make 1/100th as much profit and still pay the same wages as they do now. (Remember, “profit” is how much they make AFTER paying employees, research and development, etc.) We’ve just gotten used to corporations making million and billions. CEO pay is completely out of proportion to the actual benefit they offer.
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
mm hm
spear117 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Oh, the mythical economy! We will starve and die of thirst because we are over exploiting the natural resources but the sacred economy will be okay. As long as the line keeps going up and the multimillionaires keep getting richer, who cares about a couple billions of people starving and losing their homes, right? Who cares if our over-consuming society will end up killing the planet and throwing away countless resources into landfills as long as we get the new shiny electronics and companies don't lose their profits because they produced too much!
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
You will starve and die of thirst without a functional market economy. Civilization can manage changes in the weather.
And to be clear, I'm all in favor of shifting away from fossil fuels as soon as possible. I think burning away all the oil in just 200 years is fucking absurd. But as soon as possible means doing it in a way that isn't radical and destroys as few lives as possible.
The problem with both sides on a trade-offs topic like this is refusing to look at both sides of the ledger. But I'm not going to convince you of anything so keep on' keepin' on ranting.
spear117 | 1 year, 10 months ago
You realize we throw a huge amount of the food we produce because we don't want to lower the price of food too much, right? We produce enough food as is today! However, if the planet keeps warming crops will fail more and more so we won't even be able to feed everyone if we wanted to.
Also, I live in a city that probably will be left without any water by August. Is it because of over-exploitation of the resources by corporations (and some individuals)? YES! However, global warming makes water evaporate more easily and lets the atmosphere keep more water evaporated. This means that this water crisis is becoming worse because of global warming. But oh poor multimillionaires they'll lose their investments.
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
Keep on attacking that strawman
lordnequam | 1 year, 10 months ago
People seem very eager to argue with you, despite your name literally being a reference to being a troll.
underdabridge | 1 year, 10 months ago
Yeah, no.
I started this as my "troll" account in *2009*. It quickly became my main and I got bored trolling about a month after I started it. I don't post to get a negative reaction, I just don't give a sweet fuck if I do. I have nearly 400k karma without ever giving a shit about it. But you can't get 400k karma by deliberately trying to piss everyone off all the time. The only comment reactions I don't like are the ones with 1 karma and no comments.
ultradianfreq | 1 year, 10 months ago
But still not serious enough to limit private jet use or to stop illuminating empty office buildings and entire cities every night? Yet also just serious enough to add a tax for owning an EV and asking people who barely pollute to change their lives for the worst? OK got it, so very serious then.
stealyourface514 | 1 year, 10 months ago
This is why I won’t have any kids. Why would I? The worlds done for
allthecoffeesDP | 1 year, 10 months ago
I mean Mad Max isn't so bad.... Right?
Absolutebummer | 1 year, 10 months ago
My children will be shiny and chrome
JackFisherBooks | 1 year, 10 months ago
It's one thing to be unprepared. It's quite another to actively avoid preparing for something because politically motivated interest groups have convinced enough people that there's nothing worth preparing for.
This is why I have little faith in humanity's ability to do anything about climate change. Until it greatly inconveniences rich/powerful people, nothing will be done about it. And it'll continue getting worse and worse.
-UnicornFart | 1 year, 10 months ago
Well duh. Have you experienced the general intelligence of most people?
sebek49 | 1 year, 10 months ago
atp, im so hopeless
49thDipper | 1 year, 10 months ago
Don’t be. Your job is to enjoy the very finite time you have here. Get to work!
spear117 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Honestly, same. There's not even a point in stopping existing because we just don't have a huge impact as individuals :/
ILikePlayingHumans | 1 year, 10 months ago
The older people that run the major companies around the globe don’t really care because they will be dead before it’s ‘torrentially bad’. Even though they probably have children and grandchildren who will feel the effects longer
Yuckpuddle60 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Doomer thread for sad sacks.
Dchama86 | 1 year, 10 months ago
The world is doomed. We refuse to not put profits over people and the planet
Salt_MasterX | 1 year, 10 months ago
Ooo, radical climate change and a failing social security system? I guess my retirement plan really will be to die in the water wars.
ManyGarden5224 | 1 year, 10 months ago
No shit... and the GQP and Fossil Fuel Fuck just continue raping and burning the planet. The human virus is determined to kill everything including the human species... SMH
allthecoffeesDP | 1 year, 10 months ago
It's makes me so fucking angry. And the democrats are too chicken shit to really go after them.
ManyGarden5224 | 1 year, 10 months ago
It is beyond comprehension... these fucks have kids dont they? Sadly dems or chicken or bought and paid for too. World is screwed... SMH
allthecoffeesDP | 1 year, 10 months ago
Sadly I really hope fusion becomes a reality
ManyGarden5224 | 1 year, 10 months ago
yes... would be a good start to energy supply. But would encourage more breeding unfortunately
i-hear-banjos | 1 year, 10 months ago
We're not going to make it? People, I mean
FroHawk98 | 1 year, 10 months ago
It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.
spear117 | 1 year, 10 months ago
I think we're too resilient as a species to be wiped out completely. Even if ecosystems collapse we'll probably find a way to keep small colonies afloat but most of us will definitely die at this rate.
i-hear-banjos | 1 year, 10 months ago
But in a world with zones that are simply too hot to exist in, more difficult weather to predict, a steep decline in technological capabilities, and easy to reach resources are already mostly depleted. That’s if the atmosphere doesn’t burn us off the planet.
Opening-Background68 | 1 year, 10 months ago
Is this T2?
SuckMyAssmar | 1 year, 10 months ago
No biggie
whhe11 | 1 year, 10 months ago
If you wanna be prepared practice fasting and drinking rain water. The only governments that are prepared are some of the richest and mainly only on a local level. Or the ones in areas with more stable predictions and less disaster risk. We can only keep rebuilding every time so long as the will to rebuild and the financing to fund it is available.
ReplicantOwl | 1 year, 10 months ago
Rather than fasting maybe it’s time to fatten up a bit so you have some reserves
BradTProse | 1 year, 10 months ago
No it will suck the first 30 days because you are used to higher calories. I've been through it.
SemanticTriangle | 1 year, 10 months ago
Honestly, I think we prepared climate disasters rather effectively.
ff3ale | 1 year, 10 months ago
Could do with some seasoning
AngryTrucker | 1 year, 10 months ago
We fucking know. It's all I've heard for the last 10 years. Just stop for fucks sake.
xzyleth | 1 year, 10 months ago
We know.
disignore | 1 year, 10 months ago
no, really?
NearlyDicklessNick | 1 year, 10 months ago
Boo hoo
exotics | 1 year, 10 months ago
It’s hard to be prepared when you are I denial.
Deadeyez | 1 year, 10 months ago
I live in Minnesota. I have shoveled ONCE this year. It's February and my front lawn is green from all the happy moss
AnalogFarmer | 1 year, 10 months ago
I’m in Canada. I have never, ever known a winter like this one!
They always say, the biggest warning sign is a mild winter; not a hot summer!
SingularityInsurance | 1 year, 10 months ago
So in line with previous expectations then.. a shame but, noted.
Dohm0022 | 1 year, 10 months ago
The elephant in the room here is the US military. The largest consumer of oil in the world. Everything else is gravy.