Even if you assume every one of the accusers are lying, MJ had an unnatural obsession with children. Nothing about it is normal. Grown men don't sleep in beds with other people's children , they don't offer to take them on vacation. All of those facts are verified.
Wonder if the Culkins will ever speak up? Kieran made a weird statement about it saying "enough people have been hurt" as a reason why he wont speak.
I highly recommend the podcast “telephone stories: the trials of Michael Jackson”. It’s very well researched and detailed. Two guys who were curious about the allegations and ended up doing a total deep dive, interviewing attorneys and friends and family members who were involved in the different trials and with the victims. Somebody on Reddit recommended it to me. Combine that with leaving Neverland and there’s absolutely no doubt MJ was an extremely manipulative and skilled groomer and pedophile.
If you were a pedophile and wanted to attract kids, building your own freaking theme park is certainly a great way to do it!
Not a longform article but a commenter in a different sub recommend the blog mjandboys. It goes in to detail about the young boys Michael befriended/molested and includes sources — contemporary articles, pictures, videos, and court testimony from both victims and witnesses. He was so obviously guilty.
The entire Jackson family is involved in an extensive PR campaign to make MJ seem decent. They are all living off of royalties, and they want to stay rich.
it's not on streaming, but nothing is impossible to find on the internet. if you can't watch it i recommend this article about it: https://archive.is/WJ9KC
Thank you for this. I'm so glad there are people dedicated to telling the truth about him. I watched Leaving Neverland when it came out and have been so disheartened that people still think he was an ok person. Like, he sexually abused children. Full stop. Why do I still hear his music at the dentist's office? Why does my barista tell me he was a musical genius and really, the "stories" about him aren't true? How can anyone believe that after all the evidence?
It's so, so shocking. My heart goes out to his victims.
The harsh reality is that if we had to apply a purity test to all the artists we listen to, we would probably be constrained to Dolly Parton and nursery rhymes.
Oh, come on. There’s a world of difference between your average shitty rock star and a serial pedophile. We’re not talking binary “purity tests” here. Michael Jackson is in the same class as R. Kelley and Gary Glitter. It’s time he was treated like it.
His essay is pedophilia apologetics completely undermined by the "Leaving Neverland" documentary. It is an essay that takes Jackson completely at his word for being locked in perpetual childhood and that excusing his collecting children like Beanie Babies. Perhaps most egregiously, it uses Macaulay Culkin's insistence he was never molested as proof that no one was. Despite the fact that he was already famous and surrounded by handlers and media when Jackson was introduced to him, versus his victims who were unknown and whose parents essentially happily abandoned them to Jackson's care.
I had been in the "he is likely innocent" camp before watching "Leaving Neverland." Not now. I was utterly 100% convinced he is a child rapist based on Jackson's own voicemails, letters, faxes, and behaviors...in particular his predeceliction for taking prepubescent boys into his inner circle and keeping them always at his side...right up until the moment they hit puberty, at which point they were promptly and utterly abandoned for the next 9 year old.
Even if that documentary had zero testimony from his victims and only featured Jackson's own words and nothing more, it was utterly damning.
I just read this. The author mentions “passive aggressive molestation allegations” or some shit. Michael Jackson groomed and molested those boys. He’s a monster.
New-Owl-2293 | a day ago
Even if you assume every one of the accusers are lying, MJ had an unnatural obsession with children. Nothing about it is normal. Grown men don't sleep in beds with other people's children , they don't offer to take them on vacation. All of those facts are verified.
Wonder if the Culkins will ever speak up? Kieran made a weird statement about it saying "enough people have been hurt" as a reason why he wont speak.
Powerful-Patient-765 | a day ago
I highly recommend the podcast “telephone stories: the trials of Michael Jackson”. It’s very well researched and detailed. Two guys who were curious about the allegations and ended up doing a total deep dive, interviewing attorneys and friends and family members who were involved in the different trials and with the victims. Somebody on Reddit recommended it to me. Combine that with leaving Neverland and there’s absolutely no doubt MJ was an extremely manipulative and skilled groomer and pedophile.
If you were a pedophile and wanted to attract kids, building your own freaking theme park is certainly a great way to do it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/1ahiskz/just_finished_telephone_stories_and_oof/
TVDinner360 | a day ago
Thanks for this recommendation. I’ve downloaded this series and just started listening.
jhaars | a day ago
https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1994/01/orth199401?srsltid=AfmBOoocyuav4YZ-YpAi-DWILYm09FatvLyqPXYpoWZOUtVYwzWV9agw
favoritesong | a day ago
Not a longform article but a commenter in a different sub recommend the blog mjandboys. It goes in to detail about the young boys Michael befriended/molested and includes sources — contemporary articles, pictures, videos, and court testimony from both victims and witnesses. He was so obviously guilty.
farty__mcfly | a day ago
The entire Jackson family is involved in an extensive PR campaign to make MJ seem decent. They are all living off of royalties, and they want to stay rich.
Late_Resource_1653 | a day ago
How did you watch leaving Neverland? My understanding is it's impossible to find now?
[OP] dawnweiners | a day ago
it's not on streaming, but nothing is impossible to find on the internet. if you can't watch it i recommend this article about it: https://archive.is/WJ9KC
dmode112378 | a day ago
It’s at the top of this megathread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/s/WrSQ66yq0y
TVDinner360 | a day ago
Thank you for this. I'm so glad there are people dedicated to telling the truth about him. I watched Leaving Neverland when it came out and have been so disheartened that people still think he was an ok person. Like, he sexually abused children. Full stop. Why do I still hear his music at the dentist's office? Why does my barista tell me he was a musical genius and really, the "stories" about him aren't true? How can anyone believe that after all the evidence?
It's so, so shocking. My heart goes out to his victims.
brightlights55 | a day ago
The harsh reality is that if we had to apply a purity test to all the artists we listen to, we would probably be constrained to Dolly Parton and nursery rhymes.
TVDinner360 | a day ago
Oh, come on. There’s a world of difference between your average shitty rock star and a serial pedophile. We’re not talking binary “purity tests” here. Michael Jackson is in the same class as R. Kelley and Gary Glitter. It’s time he was treated like it.
cat_at_the_keyboard | a day ago
🏴☠️
Shes-Philly-Lilly | a day ago
Is it your first day on the Internet?
ugdontknow | a day ago
Does anyone have a link to the New York story to get passed the paywall?
No_Drama2424 | a day ago
Paste the URL into the website removepaywall.com
ugdontknow | 22 hours ago
Thanks
dan_camp | a day ago
read the john jeremiah sullivan essay on him
BostonBlackCat | a day ago
His essay is pedophilia apologetics completely undermined by the "Leaving Neverland" documentary. It is an essay that takes Jackson completely at his word for being locked in perpetual childhood and that excusing his collecting children like Beanie Babies. Perhaps most egregiously, it uses Macaulay Culkin's insistence he was never molested as proof that no one was. Despite the fact that he was already famous and surrounded by handlers and media when Jackson was introduced to him, versus his victims who were unknown and whose parents essentially happily abandoned them to Jackson's care.
I had been in the "he is likely innocent" camp before watching "Leaving Neverland." Not now. I was utterly 100% convinced he is a child rapist based on Jackson's own voicemails, letters, faxes, and behaviors...in particular his predeceliction for taking prepubescent boys into his inner circle and keeping them always at his side...right up until the moment they hit puberty, at which point they were promptly and utterly abandoned for the next 9 year old.
Even if that documentary had zero testimony from his victims and only featured Jackson's own words and nothing more, it was utterly damning.
gabbadabbahey | 10 hours ago
Same here, I had hoped he was innocent... then saw that documentary. It is devastating.
farty__mcfly | a day ago
I just read this. The author mentions “passive aggressive molestation allegations” or some shit. Michael Jackson groomed and molested those boys. He’s a monster.