This article did a good job helping me along in my slow understanding of what the "good faith" argument for ICE even is. I find it incredibly confusing what they think they're trying to accomplish. I guess I can understand that if you truly believed "third world" immigrants would turn your country into the third world it would be important to make sure that didn't happen ... but then again that just puts me back at 19 calling out all belief as puerile.
I still have real trouble as seeing any rationality in their position whatsoever. I don't think I need to completely understand because obviously there's an undeniable underlying racism.
> I still have real trouble as seeing any rationality in their position whatsoever. I don't think I need to completely understand because obviously there's an undeniable underlying racism.
If I were to guess, I suppose the good faith, non-racist argument (in their heads) is that legal immigration channels exist, so illegal immigration is necessarily nefarious (else they'd go through the proper channels).
They can also oppose immigration altogether because they see that inequality is rampant, and they accept the idea that if we'd have less people to share the pie with, we'll all fare better.
Those are extremely weak arguments obviously, but I'm willing to believe that some people sincerely believe them. It helps that they're peddled by the racists to hide their racism, of course.
What I find interesting is that his ancestors fled Eastern Europe because of pograms and lack of opportunity. When they arrived in the US, they encountered a nativist hatred of migrants from Eastern Europe (and no not Native Americans.) Ironic.
I think a lot of the people in this administration - Vance, Trump - are self hating individuals that project that subconscious hate onto others and wish others to feel as wormlike as they do
There may never have been. Videos of him in college made me recoil. The man is so unhinged as to truly come off as character… like a cartoon villain, and that isn’t hyperbole. He’s insane
Including this comment from someone else because they highlighted a Stephen Miller quote regarding events today: “individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.”
“The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted,” the statement continued. “Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots. Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene.”
Does the video support that description?
Stephen Miller said: “domestic terrorist” who “tried to assassinate federal law endorsement.” and “The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID,” the statement said. “This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.”
I’m not sure who Miller is referring to. Minneappolis VA nurse Alex Pretti had a large number of ICE officers piled on top of him in video I saw. Gov. Walz said Alex had a permit to carry a weapon so someone was apparently able to indentify him. Most domestic terrorists according to the FBI are far right and young. Not usually a 37-year-old man who got his degree to help people.
Trying to be careful here and stick to sourced facts.
The states these people have to step foot in. And if trump wants to send in the fbi to arrest political opponents because they do, lets see how that plays out in america
Everything Miller says was said about Jews who immigrated here. Everything. Now Miller licks the soles of the jackboots who will be more than happy to delete him.
2314 | 2 hours ago
This article did a good job helping me along in my slow understanding of what the "good faith" argument for ICE even is. I find it incredibly confusing what they think they're trying to accomplish. I guess I can understand that if you truly believed "third world" immigrants would turn your country into the third world it would be important to make sure that didn't happen ... but then again that just puts me back at 19 calling out all belief as puerile.
I still have real trouble as seeing any rationality in their position whatsoever. I don't think I need to completely understand because obviously there's an undeniable underlying racism.
serioussham | 14 minutes ago
> I still have real trouble as seeing any rationality in their position whatsoever. I don't think I need to completely understand because obviously there's an undeniable underlying racism.
If I were to guess, I suppose the good faith, non-racist argument (in their heads) is that legal immigration channels exist, so illegal immigration is necessarily nefarious (else they'd go through the proper channels).
They can also oppose immigration altogether because they see that inequality is rampant, and they accept the idea that if we'd have less people to share the pie with, we'll all fare better.
Those are extremely weak arguments obviously, but I'm willing to believe that some people sincerely believe them. It helps that they're peddled by the racists to hide their racism, of course.
Lokan | 3 hours ago
I reject everything - EVERYTHING - Miller represents; his hate, his fear, his weakness and filthiness of soul. There's nothing human left to him.
horseradishstalker | 2 hours ago
What I find interesting is that his ancestors fled Eastern Europe because of pograms and lack of opportunity. When they arrived in the US, they encountered a nativist hatred of migrants from Eastern Europe (and no not Native Americans.) Ironic.
Lokan | 2 hours ago
To use the tools of the tyrant is to condone what happened to his people. Unforgivable.
cccxxxzzzddd | an hour ago
I think a lot of the people in this administration - Vance, Trump - are self hating individuals that project that subconscious hate onto others and wish others to feel as wormlike as they do
AMundaneSpectacle | an hour ago
There may never have been. Videos of him in college made me recoil. The man is so unhinged as to truly come off as character… like a cartoon villain, and that isn’t hyperbole. He’s insane
protipnumerouno | an hour ago
Did you see his highschool video that was on late night? Just a little weasel.
aprilode | 58 minutes ago
He is a psychopath and trump’s right hand man. jfc.
Alone_Step_6304 | 2 hours ago
Including this comment from someone else because they highlighted a Stephen Miller quote regarding events today: “individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.”
“The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted,” the statement continued. “Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots. Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene.”
Does the video support that description?
Stephen Miller said: “domestic terrorist” who “tried to assassinate federal law endorsement.” and “The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID,” the statement said. “This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.”
horseradishstalker | an hour ago
I’m not sure who Miller is referring to. Minneappolis VA nurse Alex Pretti had a large number of ICE officers piled on top of him in video I saw. Gov. Walz said Alex had a permit to carry a weapon so someone was apparently able to indentify him. Most domestic terrorists according to the FBI are far right and young. Not usually a 37-year-old man who got his degree to help people.
Trying to be careful here and stick to sourced facts.
vtsandtrooper | 2 hours ago
He will be in prison, he doesnt realize the statute of limitations on subverting the constitution does not exist
mimaikin-san | 31 minutes ago
and who is going to prosecute him?
Trump owns the US government now and that means his crime spree can go on unabated with tacit approval of the Congress & USSC
IMO America is lost
I don’t even want to save the little bit that’s left
vtsandtrooper | 24 minutes ago
The states these people have to step foot in. And if trump wants to send in the fbi to arrest political opponents because they do, lets see how that plays out in america
bigfatfurrytexan | 41 minutes ago
Dude was murdered by his employer in his day off.
Melodic-Beach-5411 | 51 minutes ago
Everything Miller says was said about Jews who immigrated here. Everything. Now Miller licks the soles of the jackboots who will be more than happy to delete him.
TrySuperb5275 | 22 minutes ago
lol man, this is some dystopian level stuff. imagine using the fbi like personal security just ofr political gain. wild times
Alphatron1 | 21 minutes ago
Does he hold Israeli citizenship?