Thats strange....its almost like offering to build infrastructure in exchange for mining rights is something people like much more than offering to blow them up and taking the minerals anyways.....
It’s really hard to view the US positively these days. I’m Canadian and we were and are deeply offended and outraged by the “51st state” comments made by Trump. It sounds like a lot of Americans believe that we’re still friends and everything can back to normal eventually, but they’re wrong. We will never forget.
You say this, but things eventually will go back to normal. It just takes time and positive change. Nazi Germany literally slaughtered millions, and now 80yrs later Germans overall are beloved. Compared to that, the name calling by the cheeto is nothing.
the difference is the US will just brush this under the table and never take any responsiblity. Relationships will better but it will probably take decades and it wont reach the level of trust that was there before
The older I get the more I see that this is how politics works. People change their opinion insanely fast. I didn't realize until I was old enough to pay attention. You can get the average person to change opinion in like 3 months maximum (2 weeks minimum).
People say that the damage is done, but it could be healed quickly by good leaders. The question is whether the USA will get good leaders.
Literally two good presidents in a row could be 16 years. How old were you 16 years ago? Were you the same person? A whole new generation of kids would grow up. Heck, 16 years ago people around me were arguing whether gay people are moral... now it's assumed for the vast majority, even the elders who were disgusted 16 years ago.
Yes because the allied nations bombed and flattened their capital city and helped reshape the entire government.
No dictatorship goes away peacefully and democratically. It almost always end with a destructive war, riot, revolution, etc.
It's because a dictator will need to face justice and go to jail or exiled or be killed when he steps down. So the dictator will literally be fighting for his life.
And that is exactly what Donald Trump intends to do as midterms get closer .
I am sincerely wishing and praying for Americans, so that they can get their dictator out with as little bloodshed as possible...
It will take a long time. Trump threatened their long term survival.
Already strategic alignments have been made with countries like China on some things to bridge the gap.
This doesn't end with Trump leaving office even if democracy resumes. How can Canada or anyone else in the world trust that the US won't elect another Trump? The US has elected Trump twice now despite the shambolic disaster of his original term.
And 1/3 of Americans still support him despite the mess the country is in now. This imperialistic dog shit could pop up again at any moment now it's been normalized and Canada can't let their guard down.
Trump has caused decades of damage and even if Canada starts to forgive and forget there's unfortunately danger of the next Republican president reopening wounds.
US has been heading the opposite direction of parliamentary and it started long before DJT. Each President stretches the boundaries of what he can get away with using Executive Orders beyond the president before him.
It's to the point where it feels like, what's the point of the legislative branch now.
You know how much shame both internally and externally it took for that? It’s not like the US where they just let people off the hook for being moron fascist enablers they actually took accountability and fixed themselves and everything
And it’s still not over, the Nazi residual ridicule and stereotyping is still alive and well. You will not live this down for a long time, EVEN IF you fix it today
“Eventually” is a long time. Worse than Trump blustering is the fact that so many Americans whole-heartedly agreed with him. My sister lives by the border and everyone in town has a story or knows a story about going to the US to spend money and having MAGA idiots shout abuse at them, key their cars, and generally be hostile arseholes. There used to be a friendly back & forth between the 2 communities but it’s ruined now.
You are an idiot if you believe that. Japan bombed us in WWII and we nuked them. They are one of our greatest allies now. My father was angry when I bought my first Toyota. He saw that as a betrayal. I didn’t care because times had changed.
But someone how one person calling you a 51st state is more heinous than nuking a country. Jesus I got to get off of Reddit. I’m too old for this shit. If this is how you really feel and one person can make you change your mind about a whole country then we weren’t friends to begin with.
And the problem is deeper than Trump - USA has unlimited political funding so evil billionaires like Elon Musk can pour $400million to help Trump get elected, and then walk into the government and do whatever he wants.
And there's the Executive Order which let's the President do all sorts of immoral things.
Above all, the checks and balances are all failing in the USA government.
The USA needs to essentially redo their entire government system to make themselves an actually functioning democracy, if they want any developed country to trust them again.
Until then, the more competent and stable China will be preferred.
I'm in the US. I think things are problematic with China, but right now I trust the Chinese government to do the right thing nationally and internationally moreso than the US.
Both countries act self-centered on the world stage and lust after land that doesn't belong to them and by doing so bring instability. Right now the US is far worse though. The worst country on earth for global instability. You know things are bad when you're worse than North Korea and Israel for causing global instability.
do you know how the CCP treats people? have you seen what they did last week with the floods and that’s just what gets reported. none of their billion people can talk to us. almost no one knows chinese. how dumb are you ?
Yeah and USA is much better because all they did was bomb multiple middle eastern countries and destabilize the entire region allowing the birth of ISIS and being the biggest supporter of Israel commiting genocide in Palestine,
Oh and also invading Venezuela and taking out their leader,
Oh and bombing Iran to start another long war which no one wanted, causing a global energy crisis on the way.
what a surface level understanding of geo politics. i'm happy for people like you, very easy to manipulate and get behind stupid ideas like thinking that communism is good
Exactly.
This isn't so hard when you just look at the actions.
Compare what USA ACTUALLY did for the past 1.5 years.
Now compared what China ACTUALLY did (or didn't do) for the past 1.5 years.
It's strange why many Americans don't want to admit this. But maybe it's because the majority of same Americans already feel this, so they won't bother arguing against it.
So the arguing comments come from the less informed segment of the population.
how is China unifying peacefully when 85% of taiwanese want to stay Independent? dont Talk about sources when you parrot baseless factless CPP talking Points. Chinas has problems with India, Taiwan, Philipines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, South Korea, Australia; almost all every country in its vincinity. But sure, the Chinese are angels, all the countrys around are evil, it has nothing to do with China pushing unrecognized baseless territorialy claims on almost all their neighbours.
you want sources that there are tensions between Chin and India/Philipines/Taiwan? Do you know how dumb that is? Its a established fact everywhere in the world, in spite of your claim that China "will" unify peacefully, that would be something that needs a sources, because all the facts directly point in another direction, 85% of taiwanese dont want unification
No, in fact, not every country has anything close to the tensions China has with about every neighbour, and its because China is pursuing its national interests extremly aggressivlyy. You asked what is problematic about China, i answered. If you have acces to Reddit than you can simply google instead of acting dumb and askinkg for sources for the most obvious statements
You're talking to an wumao, they do not care about the opinions of people who are facing colonization. They don't care about Taiwanese people, and are okay with China colonizing Taiwan, no matter the cost to the people who actually live there.
Pretty much it. China and India's border disputes stem from completely legitimate claims from both countries. India inherited Arunachal Pradesh from the British Raj who established the McMahon Line in an agreement with the Tibetan authorities. China believes this agreement is not valid because neither Britain nor the Qing Dynasty recognised Tibet as a nation state and therefore Tibet as an administrative region did not have the authority settle border disputes. Funnily enough China has on several occasions offered a package deal, offering recognition of Arunachal Pradesh in exchange for India's recognition of Aksai Chin. It genuinely isn't all that of a big deal.
Funnily enough, like India, the Philippines was a former colony from 1565 to 1946 under the Spanish and later the Americans. And yet the first time the Philippines is ever recorded to have made a claim on the Spratly Islands is in 1971 when it takes advantage of Taiwan temporarily withdrawing its troops from Zhongye Island due to a typhoon to occupy the island, which it still does to this day.
Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC, so there is no such thing as "reunifying." What China is try to do is colonize/annex Taiwan. And they are currently threatening to do that by sending warplanes/warships towards Taiwan on a nearly daily basis, shooting missiles over Taiwan, and simulating military blockades/invasion.
LMAO imagine sourcing a website like prolewiki as a source. Tankie brainrot. I've brought a lot of points that you can't refute, so you change the topic and start posting this trash.
China's efforts to colonize Taiwan, against the will of Taiwanese people, is textbook imperialism. Their militaristic posturing sends a very clear message to Taiwanese people what they are trying to do.
You called China imperialist, I told you that you misunderstand what imperialism is. You also demonstrate that you don’t know what colonization is, considering the native Taiwanese are already colonized currently.
What does imperialism mean to you, then? Just when a military does stuff? You probably also think Russia is imperialist…
Russian is absolutely imperialist. They have colonized way too many indigenous ethnic groups to count, and continue to push Russian ethnonationalism. They extract resources from these colonized regions and leave them poor to send all of the profits to places like Moscow where the Russian elites live, and send impoverished indigenous people to fight the war that they started to attempt to colonize Ukraine. Do some learning.
China does the same to land that it colonized. They send Tibetan children to boarding schools to sinicize them, erasing their lingual/cultural/religious connections to Tibet. They flood entire valleys full of Tibetan villages/monasteries in order to build hydroelectric dams that fuel cities where Chinese elites live. They absolutely are an imperialist country.
They wish to do the same to Taiwanese people, who have no desire to be ruled by Chinese dictatorship. China wants to colonize Taiwan in order to maintain international legitimacy that allows them to fuel their state capitalist empire.
>you're worse than North Korea … for causing global instability.
If anything, North Korea has proven to be a responsible nuclear power, and the blockade we've imposed on them which condemned millions to die of malnutrition was all for naught. They experienced a genocide in which 20% - 30% of their entire population was killed and 80% of buildings were destroyed as a result of carpet bombing not too dissimilar to what Israel is doing in Gaza, and pursued a nuclear umbrella to prevent that same thing from ever happening again.
>and lust after land that doesn't belong to them
It's important to put this in context, and a great way to begin is to look at the time period in which Taiwan illogically held the China seat at the United Nations as a veto power from the founding of the PRC in 1949 until 1971. It implemented the closure policy barring ships from accessing ports controlled by China, and blocked Chinese ships from domestic trade to one city to another. It also implemented embargoes on China and placed it under economic isolation from the international community. It used its veto power to vote vote in favour of the entire world going to war against North Korea via the United Nations which the USSR was not attending in protest of China not being at the United Nations.
Compare that to today where the table has turned, and aside from the continuation of the One China Policy to diplomatically isolate Taiwan, it's really not all that bad. There is no blockade on Taiwanese vessels, nor is there an attempt at economic isolation to force the country into a famine. China does not demand that Taiwanese people defect in order to work and live in China and even allows them access to China as though they are Chinese citizens despite not having grown up with the Chinese propaganda.
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Similarly in the case of the South China Sea, the PRC's claims are based upon the ROC's claims since the PRC is the successor state of the ROC. For the entire duration of the Spanish colony of the Philippines from 1565, and the entire duration of the American colony of the Philippines from 1898 until 1946, there were no claims over the South China Sea Islands.
The Philippines only began exerting sovereignty over some of the South China Sea islands in 1971 (while Taiwan still held its UN nation seat) after the Taiwanese government temporarily left an island due to a typhoon which the Philippines used as an opportunity to seize the island which it occupies today.
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Funnily enough, the escalation in the South China Sea comes from the United States reinterpreting its 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines (which explicitly could not have included the South China Sea since the Philippines did not claim it at that point in time) to include the South China Sea in 2014 under the Obama administration.
The former ambassador of the United States to China, Stapleton Roy, mentions that after shortly after that, China offered mutual demilitarisation which Obama responded to with more militarisation, which China did in response to America's militarisation.
>Roy said that Obama missed an opportunity to capitalize on this reasonable proposal. Instead, the US Navy stepped up its naval patrols. China responded by proceeding with militarization.
I'm genuinely curious as to whether that's because of a lack of knowledge about the Korean War considering they are virtually identical.
The Gaza war begins with Hamas invading Israeli territory which results in Israel committing a genocide in Gaza, using every weapon at their disposal to exterminate any human life in Gaza.
The Korean War similarly begins with North Korea invading South Korean territory and taking over the entire peninsula except for Busan. When America shows up the war becomes about bombing any trace of North Koreans inside of South Korean territory, which as you can probably imagine, kills a lot of South Korean civilians. By the time the North Korean soldiers have treated back to the north to regroup, the United States begins carpet bombing the entire country in an effort to exterminate the entire population, regardless of whether they are soldiers or civilians or children.
As a result of the carpet bombing campaign, the United States successfully wipes out 20% to 30% of the entire population, 80% of all buildings, and 95% of all energy sources in the entire country. And that is based off the U.S. estimates. Under any definition that is a genocide.
For context the North Korean government was mostly comprised of guerrilla fighters against the Japanese occupation, whereas the South Korean government was mostly comprised of Japanese collaborators from the time period when Japan occupied Korea and did all it's atrocities. When the U.S. landed in Korea and conducted a survey, 77% of the country wanted socialism and communism, which is hardly surprising because Kim Il Sung was already a household name in Korea during Japanese occupation.
Funnily enough the U.S. government post-war instructs South Korea to reimplement the comfort women policy and that's a lot of where the financial boom of the 60s and 70s comes from - kidnapped and trafficked women and girls sent to US military camps. There was oddly enough a court settlement reached about this in South Korea a few years back too.
Adding a crucial point: MacArthur, despite proving his talent as governor in GHQ's governance of Japan (regarding land reform and the establishment of a modern foundation for post-war imperial Japan), still cannot change that he is a complete megalomania.
During the Korean War, he even advocated for nuclear bombing of China.
It goes without saying that this has clearly angered China and is basically considered one of the important factors in China's decision to support North Korea at all costs until the end. Meanwhile, this is also the reason why China has steadfastly promoted its nuclear weapons program (to establish deterrence against the United States) since then. Damn it, that bastard was truly despised by those Chinese people (of course they should).
Internet logic it is, then: "The alternative to what I resent MUST be good, moral, and correct." Let's fight this crisis of critical thinking with EVEN LESS critical thinking! How can we lose?
One has been screaming and harassing most of his developed nations allies for the past year. And this year suddenly starts a war nobody wanted, causing a International Energy crisis.
One has silently been stockpiling oil, trying to befriend other countries, trying to be diplomatic. Meanwhile quietly oppressing and killing certain regional communities.
Question: if an independent party had to choose which they think is better/worse, what do you think the answer would be?
My man this isn’t about the article, I’m not refuting the data. There are just legit propagandists here trying to say North Korea isn’t that bad, and Mao wasn’t bad. People don’t like Trump. We get it. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to let people white wash everything the “People’s Republic” of China has done. Particularly that murderous piece of shit Mao.
thats what happens when western schools skip the lesson on the USSR. we already been there done that but here we are again doing the same shit over and over
How realistic is this shit show ending in USA & Israel vs the rest of the world? Because Trump is a petty bitch and will not forget that everyone said no to his stupidity.
The CIA directly funds the Dalai Lama, the Tibet Central Administration, and organisations like the Tibet Network in an effort to destabilise China. The CIA funded and trained Tibetan fighters in camps in Nepal which culminated in the failed 1959 Lhasa uprising.
The CIA also directly funds the East Turkestan Government In Exile and created the East Turkestan Independence Movement (ETIM) to destabilise China. The CIA imported Wahabism to Afghanistan and Xinjiang in an effort to destabilise both countries. It was successful in Afghanistan where the socialist government was replaced with a government that holds a backwards extremist ideology imported from Saudi Arabia. It was unsuccessful in China where the government addressed economic issues, strengthened political and economic ties between the region and Central Asian countries, and rehabilitated extremists so that they could safely return to society.
The CIA similarly funds political parties, think tanks and media in Taiwan to promote a separatist ideology to prevent reunification from taking place. The current ruling DPP which only received 40% of the votes at the Presidential Election began to be funded by NED as soon as the ruling KMT began considering reunification with China, and unsurprisingly lost power at the election booth because of that. The reason they are in power is due to a split vote between the KMT and TPP (60%), political parties that both do not support separatism. There have been efforts to resolve this by introducing a two-round voting system which the ruling DPP has shot down as unconstitutional because they know that will be the end of them.
Brother if you think the CIA is bad, let me introduce you to the CCP.
The CIA’s total deaths STILL don’t hold a candle (even if you were to count the WoT which most wouldn’t but you want to from you comment) to Mao’s killing of his own people.
So funnily enough, the deaths due to communism book includes things like
deaths due to naturally occurring famines
the killing of enemy combatants (KMT, Japan)
communists killed by enemy combatants
the reduction of fertility rates (if the fertility rate goes from 2 to 1, that counts as a death equivalent to the population of childbearing age women
What we can verify from Mao Zedong's China is that every year was the highest life expectancy year on record for China, with the exception of the Great Leap Forward. And Mao was by no means a short lived politician like Lenin, he ruled from 1949 to 1976. The fact that the lowest period of life expectancy was during an industrialisation period is honestly remarkable.
The Great Leap Forward was an effort to transform China from an agrarian nation that was no longer sustainable for its current population (hence why people were dropping like flies) into an industrialised nation that could support its growing population.
It needed infrastructure to be built in order for the famines to be put to an end, and it succeeded in that goal. Yes in order to achieve that, peasants were needed to build the infrastructure which meant less food to go around, but post-Great Leap Forward Chin has a higher life expectancy than pre-Great Leap Forward China because of the industrialisation achieved under Mao.
He killed thousands to millions of his own people. You scream that we believe in American propaganda but then spout there CCP’s propaganda. Thanks but no thanks.
>He killed thousands to millions of his own people
Right, but as I've established there is no evidence of this.
The Irish famine was one where there was food in Ireland, but the occupying British chose to continue withholding it from Irish people and exporting that food instead.
The Bengal famine was one where there was food in Bengal, but the occupying British chose to continue withholding it from the people of Bengal and exporting it instead.
In China, all evidence points to there being a genuine lack of food due to the population boom that was unsustainable. At the same time the famine was taking place, the United States and Taiwan were actively blockading the country which inadvertently increased the death toll.
No such thing as reunification when Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC. No such thing as separatism when Taiwan is already ruled separately from China. And especially so when Taiwanese people consistently indicate in polling that the vast majority of them want continued independence from China (whether under the status quo or de jure independence). NONE of the three major parties in Taiwan today actively advocate for annexation under PRC rule. And your claim that "the KMT began considering reunification with China" is a mieading lie; KMT back then wanted conquer China, not be "reunified" by the PRC. Taiwan independence is a long-term anticolonial struggle breaking free from periods of European (Dutc/Spanish), Japanese, and Chinese (KMT/CCP) imperial rule.
Your failure to center the voices of the people actually impacted is quite telling. People in Taiwan began voting for DPP because of how fucking sick the KMT was; KMT was a foreign dictatorship that enacted martial law over Taiwan for nearly 4 decades, killing/blacklisting/imprisoning tens of thousands of Taiwanese people in the process. Who knew that Taiwanese people would be eager to vote for the alternative that brought down the rule of a foreign dictatorship that killed their neighbors/family?
You're honestly extremely racist lol. You tankies cannot fathom the concept of people of color across the world exercising their own will to fight for their own sovereignty, so you think the CIA must be controlling all of them. Us people of color are all just mindless drone controlled by NED, right?
So funnily enough, the ruling DPP only got 40% of the vote. The majority of Taiwanese people voted for the KMT and TPP during the presidential election, or in other words, non-separatism and a return to the status quo.
People living in Taiwan have chosen a path of non-separatism despite the United States best efforts to propagandise them against China.
However, as a result of vote splitting, the unpopular candidate backed by the U.S. gets to pick policy. The KMT have proposed a two round electoral system to address this but the ruling DPP who are aware it would spell doom for their reign have declared it unconstitutional.
It sucks because a lot of people got tricked by the DPP into voting for them under the guise of a path towards independence as a neutral demilitarised state, only to vote for people who are essentially descendants of the Nazi Japanese collaborators who ruled the country prior to the KMT arriving.
The status quo IS independence; Taiwan today already functions 100% independently from China. So yes, Taiwanese people have continually chosen continued independence from China. Even DPP supports the status quo; they are not actively pushing for de jure independence. DPP got more votes than either the KMT and TPP did, that's called winning a democratic election; and the idea that all TPP votes would have went to KMT otherwise is unfounded. KMT trying to change the rules just because they lost isn't something that should be blindly accepted.
Your characterization of the status quo as "non-separatism" doesn't make any sense since Taiwanese people already enjoy independence from China. Taiwan under the status quo operates 100% independently from China, and meets all criteria of being a sovereign state. If you don't believe me, look at China's actions; even under Ma Ying-Jeou's presidency, which was characterized by trying to placate China, China never stopped calling for annexation of Taiwan. China knows that the status quo, even when the KMT leads the presidency, means an independent Taiwan, and they continue to make rhetorical and military threats to colonize Taiwan. Whether a Taiwanese voter votes KMT, TPP, or DPP, they all support Taiwan's continued independence.
>essentially descendants of the Nazi Japanese collaborators who ruled the country prior to the KMT arriving
You know that you can make points without lying, right? Chinese bots love making this claim despite the fact that there are no facts that support this bold claim. DPP was formed by Taiwanese people resisting Chinese KMT dictatorship that suppressed Taiwan for decades by killing/blacklisting/imprisoning tens of thousands of people. Taiwanese fought with blood to get rid of KMT dictatorship, and are now understandably cautious of another round of Chinese colonial dictatorship under the CCP.
how easy it is to manipulate people its sad. almost no one reports on the news of what happens inside china and somehow people view them positively. we played this game with the ussr already
What happens inside China is one thing, the amount of violence, death, and misery the U.S. is inflicting and abetting globally is quite another, especially since we've been steadily rolling back the policies and programs (like USAID) that made American hegemony somewhat worthwhile.
Please, tell me, why would people globally have a positive opinion of America today? At the very least China isn't bombing anyone, their foreign policy is predictable, and their politicians on the global stage are boring and competent.
But we have Freedom, I guess, so pay no attention to anything else we're doing/have done.
if you cant say anything against the CCP including the extermination of Tibetan culture and many other smaller people how would you know what they are doing? in the west everything is on display everyone has an opinion. the education system is bad so everyone can be flipped from one opinion to the next and flood the echo chamber but you do have a choice of what’s in your mind and can say anything. you don’t know how valuable that is until you get the gulag for speaking logic
1: I can say plenty against the CCP; at no point in my comment did I suggest they were good. However, given the very real, global damage the US is doing right now, its silly to expect people to have a higher opinion of us than the PRC.
2: Its always hilarious when you people try to play the human rights card, as though the US has any room to talk, between what we've done directly, what we've instigated and underwritten, and what we're perfectly happy to overlook when our allies do it.
what can you say against the CCP in china?
democracy is messy there are mistakes but they get corrected with time.
"you people" your talking to a person Born in the USSR where half my family were in gulags (poets artists) and the other professors and deans of universities. i know how the sausage is made my comrade
I mean, do we want to start with the millions of dead from the disastrous Great Leap forward? The political repression and general insanity of the cultural revolution? The annexation of Tibet, persecution of the Uyghurs and general Han Chinese chauvinism towards ethnic minorities? The economic imperialism, especially in Africa?
>i know how the sausage is made my comrade
No, you don't, because the PRC isnt the USSR. The USSR was only a superpower by dint of its military might, which they bankrupted themselves maintaining. They were never an economic or industrial powerhouse, they never got close to matching the west technologically, and they could never deliver the sort of massive improvements in QOL that keep the Chinese citizenry broadly loyal to the regime.
Could you elaborate on what this means further? There is no evidence to suggest that Tibetans from any of the three main regions are losing their ability to speak the language.
Similarly the non-Gelug sects of Tibetan Buddhism who do not have the Dalai Lama as a religious authority are unaffected by his designation as a terrorist. So there are no cultural issues there.
With regards to the Gelug sect of Tibetan Buddhism, they're still permitted to read and learn their scriptures and follow the practices of the Panchen Lama.
Since both the Chinese-recognised Panchen Lama and the Dalai Lama-recognised Panchen Lama are in China, and the Panchen Lama is responsible for identifying the next Dalai Lama, China will have effectively resolved the Dalai Lama issue by appointing their own Dalai Lama.
Seeing as the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama are historically Chinese appointed roles this sounds like more of a continuation of the existing culture rather than a temporary fracture created by the CIA.
lol what is this crap ? communists are rational... lets go kill all the sparrows... lets save the capital aka flood an entire province... we will keep honkong the same people start vanishing overnight
yeah so you'll take USA any day because all they did was suddenly bomb Iran when everybody thought it was a terrible idea, triggering the biggest energy crisis of the 21st century?
Is this really how badly some Americans are brainwashed now? Because most Americans I know/knew were smart rational people who would not be offended when someone criticizes the USA government.
o my bad i guess i didn’t notice, but it makes no difference on my stance on the CCP if they were in that position it would be worst. Look i know what communism is first hand I was born in the USSR. there is very little difference between the ussr and the ccp- spare yourself the lecture.
worrying about oil is not really worth it, it will be gone pretty soon anyway, so expect prices to keep rising no matter what.
Dude you literally didn't know/fogot that there is an energy crisis...
And you completely ignored my point about all the atrocities US has committed. You haven't answered my question.
So at this point, the conclusion is that you are too uneducated on this matter. There is no value continuing to talk to you.
Exactly, you can be dangerous without military actions... Monopolies, influence, supply control, owning a field, etc. while spreading an undemocratic model in exchange, nothing new here.
What they mean is that china is dangerous to usa, because most other countries would rather deal with a rational actor, even if they don't agree on things, rather than dealing with a deranged country that punishes its own citizens to antagonize allies.
Bullshit it is. You just hate the U.S. which is fine. Trump sucks, and it has its own checkered history. But the “People’s Republic” of China is and always was a dictatorship. It assisted in killing about of 35,000 U.S. soldiers during the Korean War. Mao’s government killed 15-55 million of their own people during the Great Leap Forward. And then 500,000-2 Million during the cultural revolution. Along with suppressing any sort of protest against their government, and creating a surveillance state. Along with killing and imprisoning countless Uyghur Muslims. So go ahead see China in a positive light because of your uneducated hatred of the U.S..
These people are so disconnected from reality that they can't fathom why a country that has been blowing up civilians somewhere every year for decades is seen as different than a country that hasn't done that.
China hasnt started a impulsive war with a powerful and dangerous Middle Eastern power just to cause a global energy crisis.
And it hasn't been bombing middle eastern countries for the past 15 years destabilizing the entire region too.
China spent the same 15 years buying the trust and economic dependency of most of the Global South, now having a much larger influence on the rich half of Africa than USA can ever dream of.
And China isn't berating and harassing other developed nations right now. They are actually trying to have diplomatic conversation.
China is a bad scary government, but if you think USA is still way ahead, you just haven't seen the outside world much.
I don’t disagree you in principle. But I’m not letting China’s actions go. Especially considering they’re responsible for the deaths of my fellow countrymen. And they’re diplomatic ties will have strings attached they’re no different than the U.S..
Okay so you are biased towards America due to your patriotism and love for fellow citizens. There is nothing wrong with that, and I appreciate you being open about it.
But I hope you can understand that from a third-person view, USA and China are both pretty harmful governments.
And I think Americans should be more okay with criticizing their own country, and being okay with not being the most popular nation.
I like America too, but when I think about it, many of the Great Americans are people who were against the government, or stood for the counterculture... MLK Jr., Lincoln, Steve Jobs, Michael Jackson, etc.
That's something to be completely proud of.
chugmug | 13 hours ago
Don't tell Philippines.
SolomonsGrave13 | 6 hours ago
Thats strange....its almost like offering to build infrastructure in exchange for mining rights is something people like much more than offering to blow them up and taking the minerals anyways.....
InheritedHermitGene | a day ago
It’s really hard to view the US positively these days. I’m Canadian and we were and are deeply offended and outraged by the “51st state” comments made by Trump. It sounds like a lot of Americans believe that we’re still friends and everything can back to normal eventually, but they’re wrong. We will never forget.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 13 hours ago
Don’t worry. Israel is the 51st state.
Durian881 | 8 hours ago
It seemed to be the other way. US is Israel's 7th administrative district, with many politicians bought.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 8 hours ago
Nah. You don’t understand power dynamics.
Ok-Introduction-1940 | 2 hours ago
Please explain your view.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 2 hours ago
The US is the sponsor and shield of Israeli crimes. Not the other way around.
"If there were not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel.”
-Biden.
Sterncat23 | 15 hours ago
You say this, but things eventually will go back to normal. It just takes time and positive change. Nazi Germany literally slaughtered millions, and now 80yrs later Germans overall are beloved. Compared to that, the name calling by the cheeto is nothing.
MainAd9627 | 8 hours ago
the difference is the US will just brush this under the table and never take any responsiblity. Relationships will better but it will probably take decades and it wont reach the level of trust that was there before
BigbunnyATK | 6 hours ago
The older I get the more I see that this is how politics works. People change their opinion insanely fast. I didn't realize until I was old enough to pay attention. You can get the average person to change opinion in like 3 months maximum (2 weeks minimum).
People say that the damage is done, but it could be healed quickly by good leaders. The question is whether the USA will get good leaders.
Literally two good presidents in a row could be 16 years. How old were you 16 years ago? Were you the same person? A whole new generation of kids would grow up. Heck, 16 years ago people around me were arguing whether gay people are moral... now it's assumed for the vast majority, even the elders who were disgusted 16 years ago.
Ok_Run_101 | 5 hours ago
Yes because the allied nations bombed and flattened their capital city and helped reshape the entire government.
No dictatorship goes away peacefully and democratically. It almost always end with a destructive war, riot, revolution, etc.
It's because a dictator will need to face justice and go to jail or exiled or be killed when he steps down. So the dictator will literally be fighting for his life.
And that is exactly what Donald Trump intends to do as midterms get closer .
I am sincerely wishing and praying for Americans, so that they can get their dictator out with as little bloodshed as possible...
Street_Lettuce1243 | 13 hours ago
It will take a long time. Trump threatened their long term survival.
Already strategic alignments have been made with countries like China on some things to bridge the gap.
This doesn't end with Trump leaving office even if democracy resumes. How can Canada or anyone else in the world trust that the US won't elect another Trump? The US has elected Trump twice now despite the shambolic disaster of his original term.
And 1/3 of Americans still support him despite the mess the country is in now. This imperialistic dog shit could pop up again at any moment now it's been normalized and Canada can't let their guard down.
Trump has caused decades of damage and even if Canada starts to forgive and forget there's unfortunately danger of the next Republican president reopening wounds.
Winterlichkeit | 5 hours ago
Easy, is there a huge democratic reform in the United States that leads the establishment of a more parliamentary and multiparty system?
If not, don’t trust the US.
Street_Lettuce1243 | 4 hours ago
US has been heading the opposite direction of parliamentary and it started long before DJT. Each President stretches the boundaries of what he can get away with using Executive Orders beyond the president before him.
It's to the point where it feels like, what's the point of the legislative branch now.
lolyeahsure | 11 hours ago
You know how much shame both internally and externally it took for that? It’s not like the US where they just let people off the hook for being moron fascist enablers they actually took accountability and fixed themselves and everything And it’s still not over, the Nazi residual ridicule and stereotyping is still alive and well. You will not live this down for a long time, EVEN IF you fix it today
InheritedHermitGene | 7 hours ago
“Eventually” is a long time. Worse than Trump blustering is the fact that so many Americans whole-heartedly agreed with him. My sister lives by the border and everyone in town has a story or knows a story about going to the US to spend money and having MAGA idiots shout abuse at them, key their cars, and generally be hostile arseholes. There used to be a friendly back & forth between the 2 communities but it’s ruined now.
You don’t just snap back from this.
Worldly_War6318 | an hour ago
You are an idiot if you believe that. Japan bombed us in WWII and we nuked them. They are one of our greatest allies now. My father was angry when I bought my first Toyota. He saw that as a betrayal. I didn’t care because times had changed.
But someone how one person calling you a 51st state is more heinous than nuking a country. Jesus I got to get off of Reddit. I’m too old for this shit. If this is how you really feel and one person can make you change your mind about a whole country then we weren’t friends to begin with.
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
Exactly.
And the problem is deeper than Trump - USA has unlimited political funding so evil billionaires like Elon Musk can pour $400million to help Trump get elected, and then walk into the government and do whatever he wants. And there's the Executive Order which let's the President do all sorts of immoral things. Above all, the checks and balances are all failing in the USA government.
The USA needs to essentially redo their entire government system to make themselves an actually functioning democracy, if they want any developed country to trust them again.
Until then, the more competent and stable China will be preferred.
Street_Lettuce1243 | 13 hours ago
I'm in the US. I think things are problematic with China, but right now I trust the Chinese government to do the right thing nationally and internationally moreso than the US.
Both countries act self-centered on the world stage and lust after land that doesn't belong to them and by doing so bring instability. Right now the US is far worse though. The worst country on earth for global instability. You know things are bad when you're worse than North Korea and Israel for causing global instability.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
I disagree with everything you’ve said.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 7 hours ago
do you know how the CCP treats people? have you seen what they did last week with the floods and that’s just what gets reported. none of their billion people can talk to us. almost no one knows chinese. how dumb are you ?
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
Yeah and USA is much better because all they did was bomb multiple middle eastern countries and destabilize the entire region allowing the birth of ISIS and being the biggest supporter of Israel commiting genocide in Palestine, Oh and also invading Venezuela and taking out their leader, Oh and bombing Iran to start another long war which no one wanted, causing a global energy crisis on the way.
Tell me, who's the dumb one?
Cultural_Fix5611 | 2 hours ago
what a surface level understanding of geo politics. i'm happy for people like you, very easy to manipulate and get behind stupid ideas like thinking that communism is good
Ok_Run_101 | 2 hours ago
Who are you talking to? Are you confused? Nowhere have I ever said communism is good. Almost nobody will say that
Cultural_Fix5611 | an hour ago
"I trust the Chinese government to do the right thing nationally and internationally" here direct quote u/Ok_Run_101
Ok_Run_101 | an hour ago
Are you hallucinating? Are you a LLM? Give me the URL
Cultural_Fix5611 | an hour ago
your input is not valid, system malfunction got to work work work
Ok_Run_101 | an hour ago
Why can't you give me the URL of my comment saying that quote?
Cultural_Fix5611 | an hour ago
a url to something you just said?
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
Exactly. This isn't so hard when you just look at the actions.
Compare what USA ACTUALLY did for the past 1.5 years. Now compared what China ACTUALLY did (or didn't do) for the past 1.5 years.
It's strange why many Americans don't want to admit this. But maybe it's because the majority of same Americans already feel this, so they won't bother arguing against it. So the arguing comments come from the less informed segment of the population.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 13 hours ago
Honestly, what’s problematic about China?
MainAd9627 | 8 hours ago
No offenes but do you know ... anything about China? Maby ask their neighbours, India, Taiwan, Pilipipines...
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 8 hours ago
India and China - two nuclear powers - have opted for their border clashes to be handled with non lethal weapons.
China will reunify peacefully. This is inevitable.
U.S. vassal state Philippines will say whatever they are told.
Feel free to provide sources for your claims.
MainAd9627 | 7 hours ago
how is China unifying peacefully when 85% of taiwanese want to stay Independent? dont Talk about sources when you parrot baseless factless CPP talking Points. Chinas has problems with India, Taiwan, Philipines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, South Korea, Australia; almost all every country in its vincinity. But sure, the Chinese are angels, all the countrys around are evil, it has nothing to do with China pushing unrecognized baseless territorialy claims on almost all their neighbours.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 7 hours ago
“Don’t you dare ask me for sources.”
MainAd9627 | 7 hours ago
you want sources that there are tensions between Chin and India/Philipines/Taiwan? Do you know how dumb that is? Its a established fact everywhere in the world, in spite of your claim that China "will" unify peacefully, that would be something that needs a sources, because all the facts directly point in another direction, 85% of taiwanese dont want unification
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 7 hours ago
Of course there are tensions between neighbors.
But China will peacefully reunify as the US loses its stranglehold on the world.
MainAd9627 | 7 hours ago
No, in fact, not every country has anything close to the tensions China has with about every neighbour, and its because China is pursuing its national interests extremly aggressivlyy. You asked what is problematic about China, i answered. If you have acces to Reddit than you can simply google instead of acting dumb and askinkg for sources for the most obvious statements
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 7 hours ago
Ah okay. I see you’re just operating off vibes. Good luck with that.
Erraticist | 5 hours ago
You're talking to an wumao, they do not care about the opinions of people who are facing colonization. They don't care about Taiwanese people, and are okay with China colonizing Taiwan, no matter the cost to the people who actually live there.
BleepBopRobocop | 7 hours ago
Pretty much it. China and India's border disputes stem from completely legitimate claims from both countries. India inherited Arunachal Pradesh from the British Raj who established the McMahon Line in an agreement with the Tibetan authorities. China believes this agreement is not valid because neither Britain nor the Qing Dynasty recognised Tibet as a nation state and therefore Tibet as an administrative region did not have the authority settle border disputes. Funnily enough China has on several occasions offered a package deal, offering recognition of Arunachal Pradesh in exchange for India's recognition of Aksai Chin. It genuinely isn't all that of a big deal.
Funnily enough, like India, the Philippines was a former colony from 1565 to 1946 under the Spanish and later the Americans. And yet the first time the Philippines is ever recorded to have made a claim on the Spratly Islands is in 1971 when it takes advantage of Taiwan temporarily withdrawing its troops from Zhongye Island due to a typhoon to occupy the island, which it still does to this day.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 7 hours ago
You’re awesome. Thank you for the details.
Erraticist | 5 hours ago
Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC, so there is no such thing as "reunifying." What China is try to do is colonize/annex Taiwan. And they are currently threatening to do that by sending warplanes/warships towards Taiwan on a nearly daily basis, shooting missiles over Taiwan, and simulating military blockades/invasion.
China is an imperialist country.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 5 hours ago
No it isn’t. You don’t understand what imperialism is.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Imperialism
Erraticist | 4 hours ago
LMAO imagine sourcing a website like prolewiki as a source. Tankie brainrot. I've brought a lot of points that you can't refute, so you change the topic and start posting this trash.
China's efforts to colonize Taiwan, against the will of Taiwanese people, is textbook imperialism. Their militaristic posturing sends a very clear message to Taiwanese people what they are trying to do.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 3 hours ago
You called China imperialist, I told you that you misunderstand what imperialism is. You also demonstrate that you don’t know what colonization is, considering the native Taiwanese are already colonized currently.
What does imperialism mean to you, then? Just when a military does stuff? You probably also think Russia is imperialist…
Talk about brainrot…
Erraticist | 3 hours ago
LMAO you're actually just a braindead tankie.
Russian is absolutely imperialist. They have colonized way too many indigenous ethnic groups to count, and continue to push Russian ethnonationalism. They extract resources from these colonized regions and leave them poor to send all of the profits to places like Moscow where the Russian elites live, and send impoverished indigenous people to fight the war that they started to attempt to colonize Ukraine. Do some learning.
China does the same to land that it colonized. They send Tibetan children to boarding schools to sinicize them, erasing their lingual/cultural/religious connections to Tibet. They flood entire valleys full of Tibetan villages/monasteries in order to build hydroelectric dams that fuel cities where Chinese elites live. They absolutely are an imperialist country.
They wish to do the same to Taiwanese people, who have no desire to be ruled by Chinese dictatorship. China wants to colonize Taiwan in order to maintain international legitimacy that allows them to fuel their state capitalist empire.
LostVanya | 3 hours ago
>Talk about brainrot…
It is hilarious how often people write things as idiotic as you have been and claim others have 'brainrot'.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 3 hours ago
Oh I was just copying his vernacular.
BleepBopRobocop | 12 hours ago
>you're worse than North Korea … for causing global instability.
If anything, North Korea has proven to be a responsible nuclear power, and the blockade we've imposed on them which condemned millions to die of malnutrition was all for naught. They experienced a genocide in which 20% - 30% of their entire population was killed and 80% of buildings were destroyed as a result of carpet bombing not too dissimilar to what Israel is doing in Gaza, and pursued a nuclear umbrella to prevent that same thing from ever happening again.
>and lust after land that doesn't belong to them
It's important to put this in context, and a great way to begin is to look at the time period in which Taiwan illogically held the China seat at the United Nations as a veto power from the founding of the PRC in 1949 until 1971. It implemented the closure policy barring ships from accessing ports controlled by China, and blocked Chinese ships from domestic trade to one city to another. It also implemented embargoes on China and placed it under economic isolation from the international community. It used its veto power to vote vote in favour of the entire world going to war against North Korea via the United Nations which the USSR was not attending in protest of China not being at the United Nations.
Compare that to today where the table has turned, and aside from the continuation of the One China Policy to diplomatically isolate Taiwan, it's really not all that bad. There is no blockade on Taiwanese vessels, nor is there an attempt at economic isolation to force the country into a famine. China does not demand that Taiwanese people defect in order to work and live in China and even allows them access to China as though they are Chinese citizens despite not having grown up with the Chinese propaganda.
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Similarly in the case of the South China Sea, the PRC's claims are based upon the ROC's claims since the PRC is the successor state of the ROC. For the entire duration of the Spanish colony of the Philippines from 1565, and the entire duration of the American colony of the Philippines from 1898 until 1946, there were no claims over the South China Sea Islands.
The Philippines only began exerting sovereignty over some of the South China Sea islands in 1971 (while Taiwan still held its UN nation seat) after the Taiwanese government temporarily left an island due to a typhoon which the Philippines used as an opportunity to seize the island which it occupies today.
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Funnily enough, the escalation in the South China Sea comes from the United States reinterpreting its 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines (which explicitly could not have included the South China Sea since the Philippines did not claim it at that point in time) to include the South China Sea in 2014 under the Obama administration.
The former ambassador of the United States to China, Stapleton Roy, mentions that after shortly after that, China offered mutual demilitarisation which Obama responded to with more militarisation, which China did in response to America's militarisation.
>Roy said that Obama missed an opportunity to capitalize on this reasonable proposal. Instead, the US Navy stepped up its naval patrols. China responded by proceeding with militarization.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
This guy thinks the Korean War was a genocide. LOLLLLLLL Take your CCP propaganda somewhere else.
BleepBopRobocop | 7 hours ago
I take it you believe that the ongoing Gaza War isn't a genocide?
Funny-Attempt3260 | 7 hours ago
No, I do.
BleepBopRobocop | 6 hours ago
I'm genuinely curious as to whether that's because of a lack of knowledge about the Korean War considering they are virtually identical.
The Gaza war begins with Hamas invading Israeli territory which results in Israel committing a genocide in Gaza, using every weapon at their disposal to exterminate any human life in Gaza.
The Korean War similarly begins with North Korea invading South Korean territory and taking over the entire peninsula except for Busan. When America shows up the war becomes about bombing any trace of North Koreans inside of South Korean territory, which as you can probably imagine, kills a lot of South Korean civilians. By the time the North Korean soldiers have treated back to the north to regroup, the United States begins carpet bombing the entire country in an effort to exterminate the entire population, regardless of whether they are soldiers or civilians or children.
As a result of the carpet bombing campaign, the United States successfully wipes out 20% to 30% of the entire population, 80% of all buildings, and 95% of all energy sources in the entire country. And that is based off the U.S. estimates. Under any definition that is a genocide.
For context the North Korean government was mostly comprised of guerrilla fighters against the Japanese occupation, whereas the South Korean government was mostly comprised of Japanese collaborators from the time period when Japan occupied Korea and did all it's atrocities. When the U.S. landed in Korea and conducted a survey, 77% of the country wanted socialism and communism, which is hardly surprising because Kim Il Sung was already a household name in Korea during Japanese occupation.
Funnily enough the U.S. government post-war instructs South Korea to reimplement the comfort women policy and that's a lot of where the financial boom of the 60s and 70s comes from - kidnapped and trafficked women and girls sent to US military camps. There was oddly enough a court settlement reached about this in South Korea a few years back too.
N-Yayoi | 4 hours ago
Adding a crucial point: MacArthur, despite proving his talent as governor in GHQ's governance of Japan (regarding land reform and the establishment of a modern foundation for post-war imperial Japan), still cannot change that he is a complete megalomania.
During the Korean War, he even advocated for nuclear bombing of China.
It goes without saying that this has clearly angered China and is basically considered one of the important factors in China's decision to support North Korea at all costs until the end. Meanwhile, this is also the reason why China has steadfastly promoted its nuclear weapons program (to establish deterrence against the United States) since then. Damn it, that bastard was truly despised by those Chinese people (of course they should).
CallmeKahn | 9 hours ago
Such an interesting time we live in.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 7 hours ago
kinda the same shit from the cold war, our schools failed us.
Equivalent-Pumpkin21 | 8 hours ago
Some people have no idea of scale
ShadowDurza | 8 hours ago
Internet logic it is, then: "The alternative to what I resent MUST be good, moral, and correct." Let's fight this crisis of critical thinking with EVEN LESS critical thinking! How can we lose?
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
I couldn’t agree more with this sentiment given the posts I’m seeing here.
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
Do you know what "relative" means?
There are two evil empires: USA and China.
One has been screaming and harassing most of his developed nations allies for the past year. And this year suddenly starts a war nobody wanted, causing a International Energy crisis.
One has silently been stockpiling oil, trying to befriend other countries, trying to be diplomatic. Meanwhile quietly oppressing and killing certain regional communities.
Question: if an independent party had to choose which they think is better/worse, what do you think the answer would be?
Erraticist | 4 hours ago
Exactly, the rational response to being disgusted by American imperialism is to be equally opposed to Chinese imperialism.
This is a hard concept for a lot of people.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
The amount of CCP propagandists here is astounding.
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
One question - have you read the article? Which data in particular do you think lacks validity, and why?
Funny-Attempt3260 | 4 hours ago
My man this isn’t about the article, I’m not refuting the data. There are just legit propagandists here trying to say North Korea isn’t that bad, and Mao wasn’t bad. People don’t like Trump. We get it. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to let people white wash everything the “People’s Republic” of China has done. Particularly that murderous piece of shit Mao.
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
thats one rogue comment, whoever that is. Scroll through this post and point TWO of those posts from different authors.
You said "the amount of propagandists", so clearly you see a lot. Show me the exact propaganda comments.
You haven't read the article, so you won't know whether the comments are legit points or propaganda misinformation.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 7 hours ago
thats what happens when western schools skip the lesson on the USSR. we already been there done that but here we are again doing the same shit over and over
EnthusiasmProper1787 | 5 hours ago
How realistic is this shit show ending in USA & Israel vs the rest of the world? Because Trump is a petty bitch and will not forget that everyone said no to his stupidity.
Puzzleheaded_Award88 | 4 hours ago
To be fair, China seems a lot more stable than we are.
Ok-Introduction-1940 | 3 hours ago
According the CCP propaganda.
Any_Rhubarb5493 | 15 hours ago
That's me right here, and I'm not super keen on China
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 13 hours ago
Why not?
RR321 | 12 hours ago
Totalitarism...
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 10 hours ago
And what does that mean to you?
BleepBopRobocop | 12 hours ago
In other words, exposure to CIA propaganda.
The CIA directly funds the Dalai Lama, the Tibet Central Administration, and organisations like the Tibet Network in an effort to destabilise China. The CIA funded and trained Tibetan fighters in camps in Nepal which culminated in the failed 1959 Lhasa uprising.
The CIA also directly funds the East Turkestan Government In Exile and created the East Turkestan Independence Movement (ETIM) to destabilise China. The CIA imported Wahabism to Afghanistan and Xinjiang in an effort to destabilise both countries. It was successful in Afghanistan where the socialist government was replaced with a government that holds a backwards extremist ideology imported from Saudi Arabia. It was unsuccessful in China where the government addressed economic issues, strengthened political and economic ties between the region and Central Asian countries, and rehabilitated extremists so that they could safely return to society.
The CIA similarly funds political parties, think tanks and media in Taiwan to promote a separatist ideology to prevent reunification from taking place. The current ruling DPP which only received 40% of the votes at the Presidential Election began to be funded by NED as soon as the ruling KMT began considering reunification with China, and unsurprisingly lost power at the election booth because of that. The reason they are in power is due to a split vote between the KMT and TPP (60%), political parties that both do not support separatism. There have been efforts to resolve this by introducing a two-round voting system which the ruling DPP has shot down as unconstitutional because they know that will be the end of them.
suplarai | 11 hours ago
Brother if you think the CIA is bad, let me introduce you to the CCP.
The CIA’s total deaths STILL don’t hold a candle (even if you were to count the WoT which most wouldn’t but you want to from you comment) to Mao’s killing of his own people.
BleepBopRobocop | 11 hours ago
>Mao’s killing of his own people
So funnily enough, the deaths due to communism book includes things like
What we can verify from Mao Zedong's China is that every year was the highest life expectancy year on record for China, with the exception of the Great Leap Forward. And Mao was by no means a short lived politician like Lenin, he ruled from 1949 to 1976. The fact that the lowest period of life expectancy was during an industrialisation period is honestly remarkable.
The Great Leap Forward was an effort to transform China from an agrarian nation that was no longer sustainable for its current population (hence why people were dropping like flies) into an industrialised nation that could support its growing population.
It needed infrastructure to be built in order for the famines to be put to an end, and it succeeded in that goal. Yes in order to achieve that, peasants were needed to build the infrastructure which meant less food to go around, but post-Great Leap Forward Chin has a higher life expectancy than pre-Great Leap Forward China because of the industrialisation achieved under Mao.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
He killed thousands to millions of his own people. You scream that we believe in American propaganda but then spout there CCP’s propaganda. Thanks but no thanks.
BleepBopRobocop | 7 hours ago
>He killed thousands to millions of his own people
Right, but as I've established there is no evidence of this.
The Irish famine was one where there was food in Ireland, but the occupying British chose to continue withholding it from Irish people and exporting that food instead.
The Bengal famine was one where there was food in Bengal, but the occupying British chose to continue withholding it from the people of Bengal and exporting it instead.
In China, all evidence points to there being a genuine lack of food due to the population boom that was unsustainable. At the same time the famine was taking place, the United States and Taiwan were actively blockading the country which inadvertently increased the death toll.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 7 hours ago
You’re a propagandist.
suplarai | 40 minutes ago
Anyone who defends Mao is straight up insane. He was Hitler+Stalin
suplarai | 41 minutes ago
“Naturally occurring famines” is all I needed to see. The famines are literally know as the largest man made disaster is human history.
What happened in Tiananmen Square on June 3rd, 1989?
Erraticist | 4 hours ago
No such thing as reunification when Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC. No such thing as separatism when Taiwan is already ruled separately from China. And especially so when Taiwanese people consistently indicate in polling that the vast majority of them want continued independence from China (whether under the status quo or de jure independence). NONE of the three major parties in Taiwan today actively advocate for annexation under PRC rule. And your claim that "the KMT began considering reunification with China" is a mieading lie; KMT back then wanted conquer China, not be "reunified" by the PRC. Taiwan independence is a long-term anticolonial struggle breaking free from periods of European (Dutc/Spanish), Japanese, and Chinese (KMT/CCP) imperial rule.
Your failure to center the voices of the people actually impacted is quite telling. People in Taiwan began voting for DPP because of how fucking sick the KMT was; KMT was a foreign dictatorship that enacted martial law over Taiwan for nearly 4 decades, killing/blacklisting/imprisoning tens of thousands of Taiwanese people in the process. Who knew that Taiwanese people would be eager to vote for the alternative that brought down the rule of a foreign dictatorship that killed their neighbors/family?
You're honestly extremely racist lol. You tankies cannot fathom the concept of people of color across the world exercising their own will to fight for their own sovereignty, so you think the CIA must be controlling all of them. Us people of color are all just mindless drone controlled by NED, right?
BleepBopRobocop | 4 hours ago
So funnily enough, the ruling DPP only got 40% of the vote. The majority of Taiwanese people voted for the KMT and TPP during the presidential election, or in other words, non-separatism and a return to the status quo.
People living in Taiwan have chosen a path of non-separatism despite the United States best efforts to propagandise them against China.
However, as a result of vote splitting, the unpopular candidate backed by the U.S. gets to pick policy. The KMT have proposed a two round electoral system to address this but the ruling DPP who are aware it would spell doom for their reign have declared it unconstitutional.
It sucks because a lot of people got tricked by the DPP into voting for them under the guise of a path towards independence as a neutral demilitarised state, only to vote for people who are essentially descendants of the Nazi Japanese collaborators who ruled the country prior to the KMT arriving.
Erraticist | 4 hours ago
The status quo IS independence; Taiwan today already functions 100% independently from China. So yes, Taiwanese people have continually chosen continued independence from China. Even DPP supports the status quo; they are not actively pushing for de jure independence. DPP got more votes than either the KMT and TPP did, that's called winning a democratic election; and the idea that all TPP votes would have went to KMT otherwise is unfounded. KMT trying to change the rules just because they lost isn't something that should be blindly accepted.
Your characterization of the status quo as "non-separatism" doesn't make any sense since Taiwanese people already enjoy independence from China. Taiwan under the status quo operates 100% independently from China, and meets all criteria of being a sovereign state. If you don't believe me, look at China's actions; even under Ma Ying-Jeou's presidency, which was characterized by trying to placate China, China never stopped calling for annexation of Taiwan. China knows that the status quo, even when the KMT leads the presidency, means an independent Taiwan, and they continue to make rhetorical and military threats to colonize Taiwan. Whether a Taiwanese voter votes KMT, TPP, or DPP, they all support Taiwan's continued independence.
>essentially descendants of the Nazi Japanese collaborators who ruled the country prior to the KMT arriving
You know that you can make points without lying, right? Chinese bots love making this claim despite the fact that there are no facts that support this bold claim. DPP was formed by Taiwanese people resisting Chinese KMT dictatorship that suppressed Taiwan for decades by killing/blacklisting/imprisoning tens of thousands of people. Taiwanese fought with blood to get rid of KMT dictatorship, and are now understandably cautious of another round of Chinese colonial dictatorship under the CCP.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 10 hours ago
Thank you for bringing facts.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
CCP propaganda.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 8 hours ago
Feel free to dispute the facts with facts of your own.
IndependentThink4698 | 9 hours ago
Useful idiots
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
One question - have you read the article? Which data in particular do you think lacks validity, and why?
Main-Company-5946 | 8 hours ago
The U.S. has made its bed now it has to sleep in it. China wins by doing nothing
IndependentThink4698 | 8 hours ago
Lol k
Cultural_Fix5611 | 7 hours ago
how easy it is to manipulate people its sad. almost no one reports on the news of what happens inside china and somehow people view them positively. we played this game with the ussr already
nishagunazad | 7 hours ago
What happens inside China is one thing, the amount of violence, death, and misery the U.S. is inflicting and abetting globally is quite another, especially since we've been steadily rolling back the policies and programs (like USAID) that made American hegemony somewhat worthwhile.
Please, tell me, why would people globally have a positive opinion of America today? At the very least China isn't bombing anyone, their foreign policy is predictable, and their politicians on the global stage are boring and competent.
But we have Freedom, I guess, so pay no attention to anything else we're doing/have done.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 6 hours ago
if you cant say anything against the CCP including the extermination of Tibetan culture and many other smaller people how would you know what they are doing? in the west everything is on display everyone has an opinion. the education system is bad so everyone can be flipped from one opinion to the next and flood the echo chamber but you do have a choice of what’s in your mind and can say anything. you don’t know how valuable that is until you get the gulag for speaking logic
nishagunazad | 6 hours ago
>you cant say anything against the CCP
1: I can say plenty against the CCP; at no point in my comment did I suggest they were good. However, given the very real, global damage the US is doing right now, its silly to expect people to have a higher opinion of us than the PRC.
2: Its always hilarious when you people try to play the human rights card, as though the US has any room to talk, between what we've done directly, what we've instigated and underwritten, and what we're perfectly happy to overlook when our allies do it.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 6 hours ago
what can you say against the CCP in china?
democracy is messy there are mistakes but they get corrected with time.
"you people" your talking to a person Born in the USSR where half my family were in gulags (poets artists) and the other professors and deans of universities. i know how the sausage is made my comrade
nishagunazad | an hour ago
>what can you say against the CCP in china?
I mean, do we want to start with the millions of dead from the disastrous Great Leap forward? The political repression and general insanity of the cultural revolution? The annexation of Tibet, persecution of the Uyghurs and general Han Chinese chauvinism towards ethnic minorities? The economic imperialism, especially in Africa?
>i know how the sausage is made my comrade
No, you don't, because the PRC isnt the USSR. The USSR was only a superpower by dint of its military might, which they bankrupted themselves maintaining. They were never an economic or industrial powerhouse, they never got close to matching the west technologically, and they could never deliver the sort of massive improvements in QOL that keep the Chinese citizenry broadly loyal to the regime.
Cultural_Fix5611 | an hour ago
hook me up with whatever your smoking, why is this a thing 躺平, why is it being suppressed? why do you need to work everyone to death?
BleepBopRobocop | 4 hours ago
>extermination of Tibetan culture
Could you elaborate on what this means further? There is no evidence to suggest that Tibetans from any of the three main regions are losing their ability to speak the language.
Similarly the non-Gelug sects of Tibetan Buddhism who do not have the Dalai Lama as a religious authority are unaffected by his designation as a terrorist. So there are no cultural issues there.
With regards to the Gelug sect of Tibetan Buddhism, they're still permitted to read and learn their scriptures and follow the practices of the Panchen Lama.
Since both the Chinese-recognised Panchen Lama and the Dalai Lama-recognised Panchen Lama are in China, and the Panchen Lama is responsible for identifying the next Dalai Lama, China will have effectively resolved the Dalai Lama issue by appointing their own Dalai Lama.
Seeing as the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama are historically Chinese appointed roles this sounds like more of a continuation of the existing culture rather than a temporary fracture created by the CIA.
Defiant_Freedom_249 | 8 hours ago
As they should.
LookOverall | 14 hours ago
China is the more rational actor.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 7 hours ago
lol what is this crap ? communists are rational... lets go kill all the sparrows... lets save the capital aka flood an entire province... we will keep honkong the same people start vanishing overnight
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
yeah so you'll take USA any day because all they did was suddenly bomb Iran when everybody thought it was a terrible idea, triggering the biggest energy crisis of the 21st century?
Is this really how badly some Americans are brainwashed now? Because most Americans I know/knew were smart rational people who would not be offended when someone criticizes the USA government.
Cultural_Fix5611 | 2 hours ago
where is the energy crisis? what are you talking about
Ok_Run_101 | 2 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war_fuel_crisis
Where have you been living...?
Cultural_Fix5611 | an hour ago
o my bad i guess i didn’t notice, but it makes no difference on my stance on the CCP if they were in that position it would be worst. Look i know what communism is first hand I was born in the USSR. there is very little difference between the ussr and the ccp- spare yourself the lecture.
worrying about oil is not really worth it, it will be gone pretty soon anyway, so expect prices to keep rising no matter what.
Ok_Run_101 | an hour ago
Dude you literally didn't know/fogot that there is an energy crisis... And you completely ignored my point about all the atrocities US has committed. You haven't answered my question.
So at this point, the conclusion is that you are too uneducated on this matter. There is no value continuing to talk to you.
Cultural_Fix5611 | an hour ago
what software are you using to spy on people ? or do you pay for api access
merount1 | 5 hours ago
Sounds like you know nothing about modern China
Cultural_Fix5611 | 3 hours ago
sure do you?
RR321 | 12 hours ago
And much more dangerous because of that.
Both are now ...
United-Indication884 | 12 hours ago
more dangerous for being rational? lol what? last i checked, china wasn't going about starting wars.
RR321 | 12 hours ago
Exactly, you can be dangerous without military actions... Monopolies, influence, supply control, owning a field, etc. while spreading an undemocratic model in exchange, nothing new here.
AppointmentOne1111 | 9 hours ago
What they mean is that china is dangerous to usa, because most other countries would rather deal with a rational actor, even if they don't agree on things, rather than dealing with a deranged country that punishes its own citizens to antagonize allies.
RedLucky2b2g | 16 hours ago
Of course! The US is a selfish, racist country focused on enriching itself at the expense of the world
Funny-Attempt3260 | 13 hours ago
As if China is any different.
Easy-Marsupial3268 | 13 hours ago
It is.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 8 hours ago
Bullshit it is. You just hate the U.S. which is fine. Trump sucks, and it has its own checkered history. But the “People’s Republic” of China is and always was a dictatorship. It assisted in killing about of 35,000 U.S. soldiers during the Korean War. Mao’s government killed 15-55 million of their own people during the Great Leap Forward. And then 500,000-2 Million during the cultural revolution. Along with suppressing any sort of protest against their government, and creating a surveillance state. Along with killing and imprisoning countless Uyghur Muslims. So go ahead see China in a positive light because of your uneducated hatred of the U.S..
RedLucky2b2g | 4 hours ago
More CIA propaganda and China hating.
CaptainEZ | an hour ago
These people are so disconnected from reality that they can't fathom why a country that has been blowing up civilians somewhere every year for decades is seen as different than a country that hasn't done that.
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
China hasnt started a impulsive war with a powerful and dangerous Middle Eastern power just to cause a global energy crisis.
And it hasn't been bombing middle eastern countries for the past 15 years destabilizing the entire region too.
China spent the same 15 years buying the trust and economic dependency of most of the Global South, now having a much larger influence on the rich half of Africa than USA can ever dream of.
And China isn't berating and harassing other developed nations right now. They are actually trying to have diplomatic conversation.
China is a bad scary government, but if you think USA is still way ahead, you just haven't seen the outside world much.
Funny-Attempt3260 | 4 hours ago
I don’t disagree you in principle. But I’m not letting China’s actions go. Especially considering they’re responsible for the deaths of my fellow countrymen. And they’re diplomatic ties will have strings attached they’re no different than the U.S..
Ok_Run_101 | 4 hours ago
Okay so you are biased towards America due to your patriotism and love for fellow citizens. There is nothing wrong with that, and I appreciate you being open about it.
But I hope you can understand that from a third-person view, USA and China are both pretty harmful governments.
And I think Americans should be more okay with criticizing their own country, and being okay with not being the most popular nation.
I like America too, but when I think about it, many of the Great Americans are people who were against the government, or stood for the counterculture... MLK Jr., Lincoln, Steve Jobs, Michael Jackson, etc. That's something to be completely proud of.