What I did on our WordPress boxes while waiting for distro packages (CVE-2026-109618 / CVE-2026-109619)
1. session.upload_progress.enabled = Off, in php.ini and as php_admin_flag in every FPM pool, so per-directory config can't turn it back on. It's one of the two confirmed consumers in GHSA-6wmf, and the validated FPM path depends on it. Almost nobody uses it, and the advisory suggests leaving it off even after patching.
2. Refuse multipart request bodies at the web server, before PHP parses them. All of the GHSA-w8hw out-of-memory strategies go through multipart parsing. On Apache it's a rewrite rule matching a Content-Type of multipart/form-data that returns 403. On Caddy it's a header matcher that responds 403. The cost: every browser upload breaks (media library, plugin zips, importers). Check your public forms first.
3. Check your SAPI. Both bugs have confirmed RCE against mod_php. FPM is narrower: the validated path needs upload_progress, and the early INI consumer only applies if your front end sends PHP_VALUE/PHP_ADMIN_VALUE. To check, grep your Apache, nginx and Caddy configs for it, and run apache2ctl -M | grep php.
4. pm.max_requests = 1 in the pools. A worker serves one request and exits, which breaks the stale-state chain: the "producer" and "consumer" requests must land on the same worker. It costs a fork per request.
5. Lower max_input_nesting_level and post_max_size, per the advisory.
6. Housekeeping that should already be done: no .php served from uploads directories, and remove any stray phpinfo.php. Scanners request it constantly, and it tells an attacker your exact build.
I’d rather just some sort of tag. Because sometimes it can be useful. This is a case where the community here can scrutinize the output and actually pull out useful data or steps or even starting points when information is coming in so fast for a developing story/issue
The (pretty obviously Claude'd) responses with actual steps you could take to mitigate were 1000% more useful to me than the "SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN WE'RE GONNA DIE" and the "stop posting AI slop" posts were, that's for sure.
It was your response. Of course you prefer your response.
The fact is you had no idea how useful or dangerous your advice was. PHP maintainers said to shut it down, how many people followed your advice instead? Did it work or just leave them vulnerable? Do you know?
Because you're heavily implying that the people who knew about the details of the vulnerability were panicking and thank god we had you with an LLM
Why don't you do something useful and rewrite it so it's not claude output any more, but says the same thing in a way that you're satisfied with?
Then your own comment would not be such low effort and useless human slop.
Do you agree or disagree with the comment's claims? Did YOU verify anything? Let's all hear you fact check and proofread and reword what it said so it matches your standards, instead of just listening to you bitch and complain without offering any useful information.
Or do you not actually know anything about PHP administration, programming, and security, so you're only capable of information-free drive-by anti-ai posts, without any other useful content or corrections?
It's not exactly uncommon, it's basically C's equivalent to exceptions. It lets you avoid having to do an extra error checking branch after every fallible operation and can quite significantly speed up the happy path of a language VM.
I know but I don't think the risks justify using this, as demonstrated here. "It's fine when it's used correctly" except it's so hard to use correctly. It completely messes up any analysis of codepaths because you have this "time travel" footgun that can bypass everything.
Exceptions aren't great for that either, but languages that feature them at least have the tooling and support features to make them work. C has no destructors or anything to handle exception unwinding cleanly. Scheme has call/cc, but scheme has a big runtime and garbage collector to deal with the fallout.
Let the branch predictor do its job and implement error checking properly, I say. If performance matters so much that you worry about pipeline flushes and icache thrashing, surely you wouldn't be using PHP anyway.
setjmp, longjmp and gets are 3 function I would absolutely ban in any C codebase I would be responsible for. Maybe strncpy too. and strtok. C is fun.
It's C's equivalent to exceptions, except without any of the stuff that might actually make exceptions safe and reasonable to use in other languages.
There's no automatic cleanup of anything, no built-in way to even register things for manual cleanup, and it doesn't even consistently save/restore the values of your local variables. A local variable that was mutated between the setjmp and longjmp may end up with the old value or the new value depending on where the compiler decided to store it. The documentation does mention this and says that you need to use the volatile keyword to avoid it, but in typical C fashion there's nothing to enforce this, it's just up to the programmer to remember it.
It is extremely uncommon in C codebases because it is extremely dangerous. It makes hazards like pointer arithmetic and manually-terminated strings look like a walk in the park by comparison.
> It's not exactly uncommon, it's basically C's equivalent to exceptions.
longjmp is very uncommon, I don't recall seeing any high-quality C codebase using it, and if you want exceptions, you should pick a different language because longjmp doesn't really give you comparable semantics. It's basically saying "ok, computer, f--k my s--t up".
The fact that OOM conditions are an enduring source of exploitable vulnerabilities in PHP really should give everyone a pause. Like, that's not a thing in any sane project.
I'm surprised by CGI. The vulnerability description talks about a second request being affected by corrupted state from an earlier request. But I thought CGI only processes one request per process?
Really makes me appreciate using language with exceptions and not that crazy "manually check if error handling is required - and do it everywhere". The fix adds:
It can mean either, it's a consequence of how github optimized their backend storage so a 100 forks of a repo initially take up the same space as 0 forks
There is little difference between a tag and a branch in git. There is just the convention that tags reference the same commit forever, while branches move.
On github forks are part of the same physical repository. You could imagine that each logical repository is just a namespace for branches and tags, backed by the same physical repository.
I do consider the warning a bug if github, it should check both tags and branches for commits which are to be considered part of a logical repository.
GitHub uses this metaphor, and, as another commenter already aptly described, it could be nothing more than a fancy name for namespaced branches, on the server side.
On the client side, "forks" are usually different repository clones with different remotes and a "coincidentally" shared history.
But you can also map forked repos to multiple remotes of the same repository for example, instead of folders.
Assuming that forks would live in separate clones/blobs on the server is not really based on anything, so I think the warning is a good middle ground between explaining what forks are and how they handle them, and giving actionable advice.
It's also better suited for PR:
"Fork me on GitHub"
vs
"Branch and push your own clone on GitHub, using our shared blob optimizations".
I think the warning is clear and there's nothing misleading about it, but others have already pointed this out and git can be tricky.
It's so good at providing the right level of abstraction to everyone though, it seems!
Similarly, GitHub invented the term "Pull Request" (aka PR, lol).
Not a git-owned term.
But "merge request" isn't a Git primitive either!
And, with Forks and Pull Requesrs, GitHub made a particular workflow in Git approachable to anyone!
I love GitLab, but people get confused by Merges, myself included, so the GH-enabled workflow of favoring ff-only merges, without merge commits, with quadi-linear history, became the norm and helped Git succceed!
But I also appreciate being able to do all kinds of different workflows.
So PRs were positive-sum PR at the time, I'd say. When they became popular, I was still taught Subversion and CVS at uni, alongside Git as "the new thing". Ar that time, many people considered the older systems simpler, and pondered SVN as the most reasonable middle ground between CVS and the decentralized concept of Git!
Debian always seems to be the grown-ups. I'm a Linux novice so I couldn't get Nvidia drivers working on it but that's the only reason it's not running on my desktops.
i just took down all my PHP sites for the last few hours. they’re proxied behind Cloudflare so i know there were mitigations, but infrastructure can’t be breached if it isn’t running!
I once wrote a PoC for reading data off of a dead Open Compute Grand Canyon server that wouldn't boot by sneaking it off of the HDDs through a sideband through the BMC. Never say never.
Similar here, except I didn't want to actually shut down the servers, because then I can't patch them! My solution was to just turn off Nginx, which prevents anything from reaching PHP. Then I stuck a caddy server with a temporary config so we get actual 503 maintenance responses.
It seemed to be helpful for others too so I packaged it up, should work on most Nginx / Certbot servers. hopefully its useful: https://github.com/Indemnity83/popcorn
> I'm not a maintainer and can not merge this. Please wait until a maintainer has come around to look into this.
> This is merged, but I cannot find the image?
> After this PR has been merged, more steps are to be taken, including an upstream merge on docker-library/official-images and subsequent image builds. For a full description of the timeline, please refer to docker-library/faq#an-images-source-changed-in-git-now-what.
Many vendors do it, but on a set schedule "patch Tuesday" and some will release vague "mitigation steps" but honestly those usually come with the patch.
One of the most common PHP based applications out there, therefore a good comms channel (via their forums and any mailing lists, both public and for people who have managed instances with them or are otherwise paying for support contracts) to make sure people are aware of the need to update. That would make the company one worth keeping in the loop, if only in one direction, I would have thought?
Fair point. I thought that had died down, though for some years I've not had reason to keep particularly informed about the state of WP so I could be missing a lot of hot gossip.
> Over the past two months, we led a coalition of maintainers, researchers, and security providers to address critical vulnerabilities in PHP, an open-source programming language used to run websites and web applications.
And they botched this as someone talked. To me this looks like they used this for a PR stunt and aimed for an RCE.
Debian has, though only for current stable (updates for oldstable and oldoldstable apparently about to drop) which might imply they had no advanced access to the update so could not pre-test and release immediately upon the coordinated announcement.
Not true. I was able to `aptitude update` and `aptitude full-upgrade` before 10:00 AM EST (9:50 AM) and received the new php8.* packages and upgraded fine.
Still no update for ubuntu 20.04 which has support via ESM, even though the patch is available for php 7.4. There are a lot of people using older servers which still have ESM support.
PHP 8.5.4-0ubuntu1.5 (the fixed version for Ubuntu 26.04) has been downloadable for me via apt from security.ubuntu.com for about 30 minutes. Perhaps check to see that you're not using a different mirror?
If I understood the timeline correctly, there was an announcement made somewhere that an RCE would be announce w/ a patch, and the internet just scanned the entire codebase, they really fumbled this for the sake of having a PR post for OpenAI.
On the other hand, I don't mind AI companies doing this sort of thing, I'm sure a lot of our internet infrastructure could benefit from these sorts of fixes and changes.
> And they botched this as someone talked. To me this looks like they used this for a PR stunt and aimed for an RCE.
This is a pretty constant theme in the infosec industry. The idea is that you want to do the "responsible" thing and let all the major, multi-billion-dollar companies patch first, so you form a secret club. But then, you share a very juicy, gossip-worthy thing with hundreds of people and ask them to sit on it for weeks. And guess what happens: they don't. Having worked for a big tech company, I've been involved on a couple of processes of this sort, and they all suffered leaks.
And rest assured, we'll learn nothing and try the same thing again next month or next year. Because what's the alternative? If you 0-day everyone, you get more hate mail, not less. It's all of sudden about you, not the vulnerable code. Microsoft or Cloudflare calls you irresponsible when asked for a PR statement, industry bloggers bully you, etc.
This isn't a terribly uncommon method of 'discovery'. In maths and sciences there have been tons of papers that have highlighted something new but were never really connected to anything else and then largely forgotten. Later they are picked up by someone else and connected to a much bigger whole.
The bug you posted was patched and fixed 6 years ago, and none of the other bugs in the audit showcase that issue. Are you sure these are the right links?
I feel like all "non-inner-circle people" here are taken for a laugh. OpenAI and these security companies sat on this for 2 months, decided for themselves who gets access to an early fix, and then leave the rest out to dry while they failed to properly contain it.
The official interim fix for php8.5 [1] could have been published 24h ago, or even 2 weeks ago, without revealing any security details. Specifically once the POC came online. Would have been significantly more useful than these polished blogs.
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but the costs (dev/sre time, missed sales, potential data leaks and hacks) of the way that this was handled is significant.
>OpenAI and these security companies sat on this for 2 months
these security companies reported it 2 months ago. it took a month for the php security team to acknowledge it and another month for the php team to develop & release the patch.
if you're going to be upset at anyone it should not be the reporters.
>The official interim fix for php8.5 [1] could have been published 24h ago, or even 2 weeks ago, without revealing any security details.
publishing the fix = publishing the security details.
You're confusing PHP the product with PHP the codebase. The former is what is the only relevant part in the security world, where a product is synonymous with its vendor (even FOSS).
The PHP maintainers have generated a certain amount of goodwill over their long service, which leads downstream consumers to trust their releases over every other packaging of "PHP the open source codebase".
Nonetheless, there are countless forks of that codebase, and there are other releases than the ones made by the PHP maintainers. Any particular downstream could switch to another source of releases if presented with a compelling enough reason.
And that's not a bad thing. If it was, the the logical conclusion would be to never publish the fix and don't preemptively patch before active exploitation.
Say I release a fix. I'm some rando but I go out to the world and say I fixed an issue with php. Use my version instead! Not telling you what I fixed, it's a secret, just trust me.
It will take, with LLM help, attackers a couple hours, tops, to reverse engineer my fix into active exploitation. Meanwhile, I'm some rando so no one's even heard of me, people who do hear don't automatically trust me to install my fix, so very few people have my fix. Meanwhile, the exploit is out there thanks to me and people are getting their sites hacked thanks to me.
How is what you are describing any different than what happened today? Except the vulnerabilities were also explained. You can say that sites are getting hacked right now due to them releasing the security update.
>I'm some rando so no one's even heard of me
Why do think people need to have heard of you. If you are reporting this issue directly to distro maintainers, security companies, hosting companies, etc first you can help use their names as part of the marketing push to raise awareness.
To handle the official solution and drive long term changes to reduce similar security bugs from happening again. The current PHP security team does not seem capable to promptly release a fix, so having a community fix first seems preferable.
Mitigating a bug and developing a proper solution that is maintainable long term and supports future changes being made to the software take different amounts of time to develop.
What's the other choice? OpenAI et al could have developed a patch (for all we know they did) but you need the PHP team's participation to get it out. The alternative would be to fork the project and put up a forked release with the fix, which would have been incredibly disruptive.
I'm glad they didn't do anything disruptive, then. Like wind the world's CIOs up into a frenzy of FUD and bring thousands of servers down in a coordinated panic attack synchronised to the minute.
Imagine if they had just patched the code and rolled it out with an advisory?! Oh my GOD! Won't someone think of Sam Altman and his huge pile of debt?!
Pre AI, silently publishing a fix to a security vulnerability was considered bad practice.
Post AI, Its efficiency pre announcing the exploit to bad actors until the official disclosure.
You can just watch the diff log of every open source project with a small local model, and look for anything that touches buffers, function pointers, or shell integration.
It could be an hour between release of a fix before the exploit starts attacking servers.
Guess what also could happen within an hour? A coordinated Internet wide panic that shuts down all vulnerable servers.
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We actually have a recent example. OpenAI hack.
An undisclosed vulnerability fix to a image formal lib; packages into debian 12 running in a docker, used by imagemagic, used by discourse running OpenAIs user forum.
So if Wiz produced their own patch to PHP, and Calif produced their own (slightly different) patch, and OpenAI produced their own, which version should I use, as a user of PHP? Should I manually merge them? Is Calif's better than Wiz's? Is OpenAI's better than Calif's? Are they complementary?
This really sounds to me like "they filled out some webform" or "sent an email to security@php that read like any of the ten billion we found vulnerability in your code please send money emails they get.
If I had details on a RCE like this I'd report it but if I got no response for a WEEK I'd be trying other venues.
>This really sounds to me like "they filled out some webform" or "sent an email to security@php that read like any of the ten billion we found vulnerability in your code please send money emails
i highly doubt it. these are pretty big names in the security sector who have plenty of experience reporting high severity vulns.
I imagine more details will come out over the coming days, but it’s not uncommon for severity to be under-estimated in the beginning; and then “oh shit” as you dig deeper.
We don’t know when it went from a “memory safety issue” to “php2shell/RCE”.
Calif’s report is a little light on timelines, but reading between the lines, it seems they took a while to turn this into an actually exploitable vulnerability.
Finally, at least pre-LLM (and maybe a bit outdated now), responsible security disclosure norms is that you usually do wait for vendor (up to 90d) if there’s no signs of active exploitation. Even if it’s a RCE. Actually, especially if it’s a RCE.
The last thing you wanna do is go pinging random non-security PHP contributors or maintainers and have it leak with zero patch. That is truly the worst outcome.
Yes, this is bad, but also, it’s apparently been bad for decades; and it could’ve been much worse.
According to this post, one of the researchers was a former PHP security lead who already knew about the bug since 2004. So I'd assume they would be taken as credible by the current team https://calif.io/php2shell/
Assuming that it could have been spotted in their inbox, amongst a probable flooded of LLM slop like a number of security mailing lists for open source projects that I know of. We've all seen the impact on open source github issues, hackerone etc. The same is happening to standard email disclosure paths.
As I mention elsewhere (https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=78876) I'm very confused. Looking at the PHP bug tracker the specific bugs were fixed. So my best guess is that the LLM was able to find alternative variants that still worked? But then the report makes less sense.
If you provide forewarning, system administrators around the world in various time zones can get ready to update at the same hour the fix is released, which is very important. Being hours late is not acceptable for a vulnerability like this.
Maybe the NSA ‘requested’ some time to use the exploit on some high value targets.
Sure, it’s PHP, but plenty of companies or organisations might have some PHP running somewhere; and once you’re in, lateral movement becomes a lot easier.
The NSA does not need to "request" time to use an n-day vuln. They have more 0-days than you can imagine.
They literally employ full-time Vulnerability Researchers doing nothing but 0-day discovery and PoC creation 24/7 to add to their horde. Plus contracting with the MIC for their full-time VRs for the occasional project.
Exactly. Something like this is often the NSA realizing one of their pet vulns is being exploited in the wild by someone “not them” and so they burn it.
One concern with the current environment is that as soon as a release comes out for such an important open source project, people will immediately point bots at the release to look for changes that might be related to existing security issues. This means that putting out a quick out-of-band release is guaranteed to result in people racing to exploit the problem before many even know there is an update out.
Whether keeping the update quiet and including it in the next normal release, where there are more trees obscuring the wood that is the security concern, and announcing the bug a short time later once anyone using distro updates or otherwise keeping on top of things have updated, would be safer overall than what has happened today is up for debate. I can think of arguments in both directions.
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[1] which does have a slight whiff of AI marketing about it - would a human-found issue, without the option of a big AI company to claim some credit, have been handled differently?
This is not a "concern", this is literally what happens. Even prior to AI vulnerability scanning, release notes and diffs for any normal release or security patch of popular software were analysed and used to develop exploits, which could then be applied against non-upgraded instances. Nowadays, AI is doing this en masse and automatically producing exploits. And, as has been demonstrated, nowadays even the rumour of a major security bug is enough for people to find it, as people will immediately burn huge volumes of tokens looking for it.
Nor can you just keep it quiet and smuggle it out in a regular release as you suggest. For one thing, changes in important software are be linked to commits and have pull requests, reviews, etc. Changes without these will immediately raise suspicion, as either a malicious change snuck into a release, or as a "quiet" fix to a major vulnerability, completely undermining the purpose of keeping it quiet in the first place. Moreover, major vulnerability fixes cannot be "quiet", because the whole point is to get as many people as possible to upgrade as quickly as possible. If PHP (or whoever) push out a release containing a major security fix, but don't make this clear, then many people will be in no rush to upgrade, and will get pwned.
> This is not a "concern", this is literally what happens.
Sorry, I should have been specific: the concern is that this will happen faster than even the more fastidious admins (or daily or even hourly automated checks) will spot and apply updates.
> nowadays even the rumour
I think a lot fewer people would have paid attention at all without the rumour. Some ne'er-do-wells might have scanned a larger update for security issues otherwise, but I suspect most of those spending tokens on PHP this week would not have bothered had there just been a standard maintenance release that may or may not have included changes for a security issue that may (but probably not) have been so globally significant.
That is, at least in part, why the question of how to manage the release of updates like this is not a settled debate.
> then many people will be in no rush to upgrade, and will get pwned.
The worst case that we may be heading towards is that for any services on public facing infrastructure we might have to automatically apply updates with little or no time to verify, just to try be ahead of the ne'er-do-wells, with even superficial updates not mentioning the changes until a short time after to avoid giving clues to those who will scan for security issues if any such is mentioned (or nothing is mentioned - saying nothing about a security-only update only works if you say nothing about all updates, and you don't want to hold off on security-only updates on a slow moving project that might not have a non-security patch for quite some time).
You can't do secret releases, people will figure out what you added or changed.
But they could have accelerated the patch release once the embargo was broken and rumors of a PoC started going around. There was no need to wait 12+h today until the release.
It's not possible to publish a security patch for an open source software report without revealing security details anymore (and as of the past couple weeks I would not count on being able to do that for closed source binaries either). The moment you push publish everyone knows previous versions are compromised
I wonder how early the domain was registered and when the first certificate was issued for it, whether you could’ve had advanced notice of this by watching the DNS records
Domain registration doesn't mean that much. Many similar domains are already registered, eg python2shell.com is 5k aftermarket but js2shell.com is unregistered. Might not be a bad investment to register the .com for all the top PLs.
So how does the exploit actually work? The best I can find is that they manage to use the corrupted generic decoder state to write a single pointer and associated PHP type information anywhere in memory, then immediately claim "this is RCE". Is that enough? From my (admittedly limited) understanding of such things, after writing code to the target memory you also need to be able to start actually running it. Or do they overwrite the PHP code (which is somewhere in memory) and then let the interpreter do its thing?
But it was withdrawn; now it says that it (CVE-2026-109618) is not an RCE and not even a CVE, apparently an addref call prevents the use-after-free. CVE-2026-109619 is still a memory safe bug, but they have no RCE for that one
> We reserve the right to release earlier should details of either vulnerability become public, or should evidence of active exploitation appear in the wild.
>Given the severity of these vulnerabilities, the PHP security team provided minimal source-backports for PHP 7.4, PHP 8.0, and PHP 8.1 to help people building from source or without access to an LTS vendor.
> Given the severity of these vulnerabilities, the PHP security team provided minimal source-backports for PHP 7.4, PHP 8.0, and PHP 8.1 to help people building from source or without access to an LTS vendor.
Why is the description of "RCE via OOM corruption" mentioning all these settings like memory_limit, post_max_size, max_input_nesting_level etc under "Mitigation" but not blocking multipart requests? Isn't that a solution?
The description of the vurnurability "Several multipart parsing problems" makes it sound like it is?
So far Ubuntu LTS isn’t picking up the new packages for me via apt update, and Laravel Forge appears completely unresponsive as a result of being flooded by people trying to update their servers.
And I'm maintaining a box on 18.04 over here, and lo and behold its Pro subscription isn't showing up as active, so I couldn't get the update even if they do release it.
Going to migrate the box to Debian in-place. (Or Gentoo, the way things are currently going.)
Since I have to go through a bunch of php repos today at work I ended up releasing a CLI tool that automates that process by listing out the steps you need to take to stay away from the vulnerability.
Here's the link incase it helps anyone https://github.com/Amsozzer1/php2shell-repo-audit
Dude, today of all days is not when I'm going to trust some random CLI tool that was vibed out. I'm not saying your work isn't helpful, but it would probably be a lot better to just release your prompts you used to build this and let others build it on their own.
I wouldn't listen to him. This is very helpful to people that might be managing dozens or hundreds of servers and need a way to quickly figure out things. It's literally open source and we can point our agent to it and have it examine the source code for anything that looks suspicious first. No need to sit here for a couple hours trying to go back and forth and create something that you already took the time to do. Thanks for the work!
PHP runs literally half the web. Half the web will not apply this patch in any reasonable amount of time (a huge portion will never). This is going to be absolutely catastrophic.
So if I wanted to build a botnet, then it would be very easy ;).
Infiltrate vulnerable PHP sites. Install backdoor(s). Secure root access. Patch PHP to lock out script kiddies. Let it sit dormant until you need to launch attack
The union of hosters which will not update to this patch, and users who have not updated to the past 283762 CVE is literally the same circle. I think that maybe a couple new not infected machines will get infected with a cryptominer - the rest will just get one new miner fighting for resources
They should probably invent some sort of Crypto Miner Communication Protocol (CMPC) that will make the process easier for all miners out there. Let's hope most are not bad actor crypto miners who ignore the protocol though, we should strive for more good actor crypto miners.
What would happen if the director suddenly gets sick or decide not to come to work anymore? A lot of people assume that humans are reliable, they are not.
Exactly: limiting access is fine, lack of contingencies is not.
Some systems and services still only allow for one owner though (I'm not going to name names), which can be a big problem when MFA is mandated. From what the poster I responded to said, I'd be very surprised if that were the case for them though - just slightly daft policy.
One of my first boss called it the bus factor, not sure where the term comes from. What's the minimum number that need to get hit by a bus before it's impossible to keep things running. He used to say "you always have some bus factor, but it should never be one unless you're alone, otherwise you deserve whatever crap is going to rain on you someday".
I've found that to be incredibly true in my career.
My team rotates 1 sacrificial member every week to be on call with prod k8s access. It limits who can just push things to prod at any given time while making sure everyone on the team has experience. If someone is out sick or on vacation we do time trading, it works out for everyone.
With AI agents, I've been using sites/services that are bot friendly and don't require MFA.
Not everything needs hyper security. Heck, I've given AI access to spend money on websites and my only restriction is that the websites limit the daily spend(website side... Although I guess a rogue AI could have changed it... )
"I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say 'Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that.' I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests." -Rasmus Lerdorf
Not sure how, but from the announcement: Who is at risk: all PHP installations serving web requests, including PHP-FPM, Apache with mod_php, php-cgi, FrankenPHP and LiteSpeed.
Also, CGI PHP skips request cleanup on init failure.
I'm 90% sure CGI can't be exploited this way in default configuration with ASLR and 99% sure if PHP is configured with memory_limit=-1
That said, don't be an idiot and switch to CGI instead of patching. I'm like one of three guys running PHP in CGI mode and I'm vaguely satisfied I have the most resistant configuration.
The reason, BTW, I run PHP in CGI mode is so I can (moral equivalent of) suexec to a locked-down sandboxed environment that limits exploit blast radius. I could do the same with fcgi daemon, but the suexec is stateless, and roundcube doesn't need the performance.
In general, anything stateful or long-lived is just one more thing that can go wrong. One reason why the trend of turning everything into a persistent daemon drives me nuts.
I'm starting to suspect that they actually got the notice the same time we did, because if they got the patches there should be no reason it wasn't already built and ready to go (unless they're scared that "our build servers are public and everyone will know" so they literally held everything off until the release which seems so counterproductive as to be ... well, open-source silliness).
If you mean docker official images, it's just the "community" maintaining it, eg "some dudes". By no means should you consider it a mechanism to get timely security updates, I've seen horrible lag on that before.
Most of docker is like this. Images provided by volunteers, and not related to the project. Using docker images you don't maintain yourself, and at least don't upgrade yourself, is not the best recipe for security.
There are different approaches and it all comes down to who you trust. I don't think there's universal answer. If you have money, find image provider who's serious about security and hopefully they'll provide patches images quickly. Otherwise using Debian packages is a good default I think.
Honestly I don't even understand why so many docker images prefer to build software from sources, rather than just installing them from debian repositories.
And if you're using a docker package it's often JUST BECAUSE the host Debian/Ubuntu server is out of date for things you need, and Docker's the easiest way to "patch" that.
There are rare occasions when circumstances are more important than preserving an "EOL" designation. This appears to be one of those times where "official" centralized patches really should be made available for at least PHP5.6 and PHP7.4, and perhaps even 5.5 and all of 7.x. They're not covering themselves in glory by refusing.
Yes and no, you have two setup, you're on LTS, it will be backported (done as I write than on Debian), not on LTS and you already have hundreds of unsafe stuff running anyway so it's just one more to the pile.
Yeah, I have a legacy site that is popular and doesn't make money with some outdated version of PHP that will not update. Maybe I need to install OpenClaw on it.
But yeah, with AI agents, I don't really understand the purpose anymore. Legacy WordPress or laravel sites?
If those place at using a LTS release of their OSes they will be patched quickly (Debian already has). If they're not, they're already screwed by a lot more than just PHP I guess.
Those websites can easily run in a php5 container, whilst the host os is up to date.
Websites depending on an older framework like Zend Framework or libraries like Doctrine 1 do not have a clear upgrade path and are stuck at php5 or have to basically start from scratch. php5 to the latest php8 is just a jump too big.
Not even $700 a month? Seriously, there must be thousands of highly profitable companies depending on this guy’s maintenance. Once this is all sorted, please hassle your employers to give something back to him!
Yeah this, I always see so much hate towards businesses for finding tax loopholes or not donating etc but people forget that businesses are made of individuals with their own often conflicting subgoals, but overall has to try to maximize profit so they will never voluntarily pay more tax than legal minimum or be philanthropic if they do not have to or do not benefit explicitly.
Thank you for calling this out. I absolutely rely on him so I decided to contribute $100/month even though I'm a solo dev with a business yet to see profit. But I absolutely rely on him for my server(s) PHP packages.
Speaking of, the PHP PPA was pretty unusable all day. I wonder, if this was just high demand or intentional attacks on launchpad servers to prolong the exploitation window.
last I looked, automatic updates for wordpress meant letting the web server write to the document root, which may be on the same level of negligence as not updating quickly.
Plus, wordpress updating isn't going to help you upgrade php.
People have been saying this for the past 16 years, but the reality is once a system is in production over time it becomes increasingly risky to replace it. Because over the life of a piece of software you make tons of small fixes, resolve bugs, adding customer-specific functionality, etc. that you'd completely overlook when planning our requirements for a rewrite. Which is a big problem when other systems are dependent on the software operating a specific way i.e. APIs, web services, and so forth. Not to mention the economics of a rewrite also has to make sense. Nobody is going to spend 2-3 years recreating what they already had and get no additional functionality out of it. Certain software basically has to get so bad that literally anything replacing it is better than what came before for replacing it to be the right approach.
People shouldn't be using PHP. I was shocked some security focused websites are even using it. I just hope there's nothing of value on their servers and that it's not connected to their internal network in any way. In my experience this is almost always the case because it makes maintenance and development easier but effectively exposes your entire organization to the internet.
That 70% of the internet still uses it is shocking to me. These organizations deserve to get burned badly. Let this incident be a warning to all of them!
PHP is not a particularly insecure language. It’s certainly more secure than something like C or C++. Certain PHP applications are known to have vulnerabilities often, like WordPress.
PHP is a memory-safe language. This vulnerability is a memory safety bug in the VM, which does happen from time to time. It happens with V8 (JS), Java, C#.
Some have, but others are still showing "needs evaluation", and still no update for 20.04. I've just turned off php for now, as we only used it in a couple of places and won't be missed for a day or two.
> out-of-memory handling can interrupt PHP while internal request data is only partially initialized. Request cleanup may then treat the invalid data as valid.
If only we could come up with a way to manage memory automatically. Alas, one can only dream.
I'm pretty sure this class of problem would exist in GC'd environments too unless they're configured to abort on OOM, in which case you'd still be dealing with denial-of-service.
In some environments OOM is a trappable exception, so it's possible that incorrectly authored code would trap the OOM and 'recover' with partially initialized data sitting on the heap. Hopefully it's a memory-safe language so that partially initialized data isn't RCE...
No, the entire world abandoned it when you realized it wasn't the perfect language. The rest of us are just role playing today basically. It's a bit of a lark, kind of like civil war reenactment.
how does Docker not yet have a new, official PHP image ready, given such a big heads up? https://hub.docker.com/_/php Nuts this wasn't ready to flip on at :00 (or even earlier given the PoC exploit and even the official PHP fixes were out well before). Now we are 27 minutes past due.
It would not be easy (or reasonable) to take a public build like that private to build a 'secret' image version, and I'm not sure GitHub even has the capability to do that. I would not trust a build pushed to Docker Hub separate from the established / public / auditable process they have in place.
All dependent (official) images need to go through the same process, so that makes it fairly problematic, and I think Docker needs to take a look at it for the future.
What I've been feeling lately is that security vulnerabilities will inevitably keep being discovered, and I worry whether humans can ever patch all of them.
Just pulled the new matomo that was published on dockerhub 26 minutes ago, thinking it has the patched PHP version:
# docker pull matomo:latest
latest: Pulling from library/matomo
Digest: sha256:6e63589d31ec653f78e029084d21488640fdbbd9a42c96c872098f42c8678a02
Status: Image is up to date for matomo:latest
docker.io/library/matomo:latest
# docker run --rm matomo:latest php --version
PHP 8.4.26 (cli) (built: Oct 21 2026 00:31:19) (NTS)
Copyright (c) The PHP Group
Built by https://github.com/docker-library/php
Zend Engine v4.4.26, Copyright (c) Zend Technologies
with Zend OPcache v8.4.26, Copyright (c), by Zend Technologies
The PHP build is from today, which is doubly misleading. 8.4.27 is the patched release, not 8.4.26. I wonder how many people will pull this image thinking they're good to go online again.
The "official" PHP Docker images turned out to be a shit show tody. Seems like many maintainers fell for it and published updates that aren't really updates.
I'm currently waiting for a new docker image for another project, and their maintainer noticed the old PHP versions in the freshly built images and is still waiting or working on releasing a new container build.
Fully agree. Moved to FrankenPHP's static build (which was ready very quickly) to get away from it. Don't intend to ever use the "official" images again.
I'm wondering if it's not just better to use plain Debian base images.
FROM debian:...
RUN apt install php ...
This will take longer on a cold build cache, and pins the PHP version to the current Debian version. But Debian once again proved very reliable to patch in time.
"Let's use this packaging some rando on the Internet built" is a strategy that is exactly as good as it seems, but that's the Docker ecosystem for you.
Packagers who actually understand the software put in good work to package that software in small and well maintained packages. Use them instead!
I had to build and deploy my own Nextcloud images earlier today. :( Not a big deal because docker, just obnoxious that this got released into the wild and was being actively exploited before patches were available everywhere.
This is obviously bad, but in my 20 years of hosting with PHP, I've never had to take the steps of taking down servers preemptively. It's not good, but honestly, and I think the way this was handled could leave a lot to be desired, I think this might be the "worst" we've had with PHP, and it took a while to get here.
FWIW this is the most mainstream vulnerability in the new era where everyone has access to AI agents that have the potential capability to find and widely exploit the vulnerability far faster than the past timeframes for disclosure and patching.
Edit: and it's live now 1hour 43minutes after. Edit 2x: well I spoke too soon. not actually live - the 8.4.27 tag appeared, but it's still an empty shell with no amd64 image to build from. Maybe other architectures can be built from though. Ugh. Now we're at 2hours 24minutes in. I know process steps take time/can't be rushed, and I know people mean well and surely some are unappreciated for what they do. That said: this debacle is making me want to reassess my deployment pipeline choices.
how does Docker not yet have a new, official PHP image ready, given such a big heads up? https://hub.docker.com/_/php Nuts this wasn't ready to flip on at :00 (or even earlier given the PoC exploit and even the official PHP fixes were out well before). Now we are 52 minutes past due. (posting comment again, because the other thread i posted in was marked as dupe.)
It went a few seconds ago. I was also surprised they didn't have advance access but thinking about it, with the whole thing being a public Github pipeline, it's unclear how they could have achieved it whilst simultaneously keeping the patch private. Is there precedent?
Now they should be actually available and pullable! The only problem is that it took 3 hours with a huge security problem already exploited in the wild.
And now, at 2hrs 55mins past the PHP release, the amd64 image is available. Although it appears that the servers hosting the image are getting hugged to death because I can't actually download it.
Know how recompilers are porting video games from one platform to another these days? That exact trick works just as well for finding vulnerabilities. Broadly.
1. Hey LLM, turn this binary into source code.
2. Hey LLM, see any glaring security issues with this source code?
So how is PHP being distributed in your funny world? Because I can tell you, even if you put it behind “register with your work email,” whoever seeks the binary will find it.
> Know how recompilers are porting video games from one platform to another these days?
They actually aren't. Most of the claimed cases of "recompilation" are just an emulator packaged into the same binary as the game so you can't tell it's an emulator, or are for projects that already had their source code available (in which case "porting" to WASM is trivial because all of the hard work is done by the people who write your-language-to-WASM compilers, and you just need to do a little bit of work to adjust your toolchain to use it). Everyone just takes slopshit at face value and shares clickbait without actually checking any of the work done. It's infuriating how empowering this software is for liars, honestly.
Well they did specify "successfully." EITW is a pretty broad tag, just means attacker are probing servers. I'm not saying it's good but there are usually some pretty big caveats with remote-remote memory corruption, don't know if all the people dooming are aware of that
> Exploit portability and reliability depend on the PHP build, extensions, frontend behavior and allocator layout.
I think there's a lot to learn from the last twenty four hour's events. An absolute nuclear bomb of an exploit affecting every version of PHP back to 2012 (which nobody should be using of course, but I've worked in plenty of environments that are not up to date).
The thing that's annoyed me the most is the speculation and misinformation, filling in the gaps. Folks looked into the php-src and figured out one of the vulnerabilities, starting saying you should disable certain php settings and then core PHP developers on obscure mailing lists hinting this isn't enough.
Given how inexpensive it is for agents to scan popular OSS projects, disclosure needs to be more discrete and you cannot publish fixes to OSS before disclosure. People will be and are watching for this kind of thing already.
While the fix was not published I genuinely thought a quick service rewrite to some other stack (say Go) would make sense as a fix. (Assuming high integration test coverage )
> PHP 8.5.12, 8.4.27, 8.3.36 and 8.2.35 fix two critical vulnerabilities that can allow unauthenticated remote code execution. All PHP users are strongly encouraged to update immediately.
Earlier versions are not fixed by PHP official and need vendor patching where available
People keep defending PHP (as they have been for ages) saying things like "oh, it could happen to any platform, this one's just so popular so the odds are higher" but then you take a peek at the diff for this fix and realize that nothing has changed since Fractal of Bad Design was published a decade ago. PHP is a scourge and unfortunately a still too popular one. The best time to realize the only safe option is to stop using it was in 2010, the 2nd best time is now ..
There is now an iron clad defense against all memory safety bugs leading to RCE that is actually practical to use in production in many cases, and people should start taking it seriously. Any PHP install that has ~2x CPU headroom should be switched to a memory safe Fil-C build immediately. More generally, anyone running network-exposed C/C++ code that is not routinely pegging the CPU should recompile with Fil-C ASAP.
"The entire world should use 2x more compute" is not a real answer. You can do that on your own personal computer which has compute to spare. For servers, you're already paying for the relevant amount of compute to serve your thousands or millions of users, and every % of overhead matters at that scale. You are suggesting everyone allocates a 2x budget for server-compute, or I suppose you're only talking about hobby servers where people are running tiny workloads and had so little traffic it doesn't matter?
Large, well-optimized services are running at high CPU utilization all the time. But there's a long, long tail of services that are running well below 100% utilization almost all or all of the time, and it's not just hobby stuff. Vulnerabilities in those services are still real and can be very important, and trading some otherwise idle CPU time for an absolute shield against memory safety issues is a good idea. Even for some services that do have high CPU utilization it may be a good trade to pay for more CPU to get that shield in this new world.
In addition to what my sibling comments have said, there is also the advantage of pushing the ecosystem to safe and fast approaches as a whole. Imagine if the default was to run C/C++ software under Fil-C, if no other measures where taken by the developers, e.g. if the consensus interpretation for one of the current security regulations (NIS2 etc.) mandated it. There would then be an enormous incentive for software to provide faster alternatives to Fil-C, as there where 2x-4x speedups for the taking!
Come to think of it, I believe it would actually be a good idea to lobby for exactly that. Memory safety issues have been a plague in IT for far too long.
Running a parallel PHP-filc deployment at such times at even 2x costs would 100% be worth it. Especially that you'd only be focusing on web-facing deployments (and not background processors).
For now this is just one person posting about it. Can be real, can be a mistake, can be a hoax. But if it's real, then OpenAI once again fudged up really bad.
If LLM's are going to keep finding vulnerabilities of this magnitude, we'll be sure to face a computer worm event of unprecedented scale soon. Best be ready for the moment the lights turn off
Tell them to take anything with PHP offline, so that it isn't available from the public internet. That is how Netcup and Contabo are handling Wordpress hosting until they've upgraded all affected packages.
There are already functional exploit scripts on GitHub, you can target any Wordpress site right now.
Yes, there have been decades of talk about this already—ensuring you isolate/jail the PHP-related processes and run them with an unprivileged user, etc.
This is extremely damning for Cloudflare. I had a bunch of clients telling me Cloudflare is all they need to prevent this, and they want to get that on their site instead of upgrading PHP.
I have not seen confirmation Cloudflare is doing anything except playing whack a mole with certain request patterns. PHP Core Devs have been clear you need to upgrade. If this is true, it's disgustingly opportunistic that Cloudflare is using this critical security time to lie to people that they are safe.
It's great they are doing mitigations, but they admit themselves, in fine print, that this will not protect you from the vulnerability
Why is word circulating that you can just sign up for Cloudflare and be 100% protected from this? They are burying the leed and trying to get new customers, and it's working.
Despite this coordination, WP-Engine (who's major business is hosting WordPress sites) is still on PHP 8.4.26 a full 2.5 hours after the patch is publicly available.
I'm checking by ssh'ing into my environment, and this is what I see as of 21:41 UTC, several hours after the patches were published:
wpe-user@MYENVIRONMENT.ssh.wpengine.net:~$ php -v
PHP 8.4.26 (cli) (built: Sep 23 2026 06:24:29) (NTS)
Copyright (c) The PHP Group
Built by Perforce Zend (www.zend.com)
Zend Engine v4.4.26, Copyright (c) Zend Technologies
with Zend OPcache v8.4.26, Copyright (c), by Zend Technologies
I keep hoping for either a change in the version or the build date, but nothing yet. The incident status page says they're deploying, but there haven't been further updates about how far along they are.
My hosting provider just informed me that they took down my website over this to "protect" me. It's a static website that does not use any php. But it's a generic LAMP hosting provider so they just took down all their hosted websites. I had it on my to do list to migrate that to cloudflare anyway. So, I guess I'll be doing that soonish now.
When every neighbour decides to leave their doors unlocked simultaneously,and the entire world knows it, maybe barricading the village is protecting you
> 8.1 and earlier Not patched: these versions have reached end of life and will not receive an official fix
I would not recommend using PHP. The PHP team keeps breaking backward compatibility and trying to introduce new features instead of focusing on fixing bugs and hardening the compiler.
Can't we fingerprint the code in github and elsewhere and tell AI labs to not do security reviews on the code unless (A) someone is a legitimate security researcher or (B) someone is the owner of the code.
Yeah it sucks, but the alternative could be worse.
I've created patched Dockerfiles for EOL PHP versions. The patch is obtained from official source trees.
I've also published the built images from them to GitHub Registry, but of course it's best to inspect any public repo/docker image before using them blindly.
I fail to see how that’s useful. Why would I care about the layers inside an image when I could just extract the entire filesystem inside. Even then it is not useful if we don’t have a culture of reproducible builds.
Fair, "inspect the image" was a bad way to put it.
What I meant was: don't trust prebuilt images from a stranger, including mine. I've provided them just as a convenience, the Dockerfiles and patches can be easily looked-through, and building them yourself is the safer option if you need these docker images.
Great that its out but if you depend on pecl for additional extensions and need to rebuild docker container it will probably fail because pecl is having issues for last few hours[1].
That partial stack trace linked above seems to match this GitHub issue, which has much more information: https://github.com/php/php-src/issues/24488 (double-free introduced in 8.5.12)
From what I can see, this causes a crash only, and isn't weaponisable. It's a use-after-free, but the reclaim window is zero by construction.
Is there anywhere good to get some sort of reliable stream of information about this possibility?
It's going to be pretty bad if we all panic to get the latest PHP up, and all confidently roll out our updated websites, just for them to still be vulnerable to something serious anyhow.
lol this is the exact scenario where that’s an well idea. Maybe the patch is bad, but not patching for 2 days means your guarantees to be hit by the original issue
We are damned if we don’t and (often times) damned if we do
I have this slight suspicion this was not the last critical PHP apocalypse ... :(
Some web-services are back up again here in central Europe, but some
are not, which is very annoying. Kind of surprising to see how much
PHP is actually used. Hate it or love it, PHP really is very important
still - lots of the web depends on it.
For those who can’t patch their PHP for a variety of reasons right now, here is a proxy I developed that can sit between nginx or apache and your PHP-FPM, to sanitize inputs and prevent this (and other) attacks:
I'll give a shoutout to Lithium Hosting. I was able to log in and update my PHP Pool per their custom control panel and switch all of my sites over to the latest fix: 8.5.12.
...and If you have a server in a closet still running PHP 5 or 7, hosting that project you’ll rewrite “next quarter,” this might buy you some time: https://github.com/analogic/phpsafepass
[OP] tuyuri | 8 hours ago
Now are available in the php-src github
technoknol | 8 hours ago
petecooper | 7 hours ago
https://github.com/php/php-src/tags
bombcar | 8 hours ago
1. session.upload_progress.enabled = Off, in php.ini and as php_admin_flag in every FPM pool, so per-directory config can't turn it back on. It's one of the two confirmed consumers in GHSA-6wmf, and the validated FPM path depends on it. Almost nobody uses it, and the advisory suggests leaving it off even after patching.
2. Refuse multipart request bodies at the web server, before PHP parses them. All of the GHSA-w8hw out-of-memory strategies go through multipart parsing. On Apache it's a rewrite rule matching a Content-Type of multipart/form-data that returns 403. On Caddy it's a header matcher that responds 403. The cost: every browser upload breaks (media library, plugin zips, importers). Check your public forms first.
3. Check your SAPI. Both bugs have confirmed RCE against mod_php. FPM is narrower: the validated path needs upload_progress, and the early INI consumer only applies if your front end sends PHP_VALUE/PHP_ADMIN_VALUE. To check, grep your Apache, nginx and Caddy configs for it, and run apache2ctl -M | grep php.
4. pm.max_requests = 1 in the pools. A worker serves one request and exits, which breaks the stale-state chain: the "producer" and "consumer" requests must land on the same worker. It costs a fork per request.
5. Lower max_input_nesting_level and post_max_size, per the advisory.
6. Housekeeping that should already be done: no .php served from uploads directories, and remove any stray phpinfo.php. Scanners request it constantly, and it tells an attacker your exact build.
dwedge | 7 hours ago
mistertrotsky | 7 hours ago
whycome | 7 hours ago
bombcar | 7 hours ago
dwedge | 7 hours ago
The fact is you had no idea how useful or dangerous your advice was. PHP maintainers said to shut it down, how many people followed your advice instead? Did it work or just leave them vulnerable? Do you know?
Because you're heavily implying that the people who knew about the details of the vulnerability were panicking and thank god we had you with an LLM
throawayonthe | 7 hours ago
DonHopkins | 7 hours ago
Then your own comment would not be such low effort and useless human slop.
Do you agree or disagree with the comment's claims? Did YOU verify anything? Let's all hear you fact check and proofread and reword what it said so it matches your standards, instead of just listening to you bitch and complain without offering any useful information.
Or do you not actually know anything about PHP administration, programming, and security, so you're only capable of information-free drive-by anti-ai posts, without any other useful content or corrections?
Ball's in your court.
bombcar | 7 hours ago
k1kingy | 8 hours ago
longwave | 8 hours ago
https://codeberg.org/oerdnj/deb.sury.org/issues/145#issuecom...
dstu | 7 hours ago
https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/+builds?bu...
00deadbeef | 7 hours ago
gregoriol | 7 hours ago
leoprctmp | 7 hours ago
follow https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt
gregoriol | 5 hours ago
00deadbeef | 5 hours ago
tux3 | 8 hours ago
https://github.com/php/php-src/security/advisories/GHSA-w8hw...
https://github.com/php/php-src/security/advisories/GHSA-6wmf...
simias | 8 hours ago
Well off to a good start here.
mort96 | 6 hours ago
simias | 6 hours ago
Exceptions aren't great for that either, but languages that feature them at least have the tooling and support features to make them work. C has no destructors or anything to handle exception unwinding cleanly. Scheme has call/cc, but scheme has a big runtime and garbage collector to deal with the fallout.
Let the branch predictor do its job and implement error checking properly, I say. If performance matters so much that you worry about pipeline flushes and icache thrashing, surely you wouldn't be using PHP anyway.
setjmp, longjmp and gets are 3 function I would absolutely ban in any C codebase I would be responsible for. Maybe strncpy too. and strtok. C is fun.
wat10000 | 4 hours ago
There's no automatic cleanup of anything, no built-in way to even register things for manual cleanup, and it doesn't even consistently save/restore the values of your local variables. A local variable that was mutated between the setjmp and longjmp may end up with the old value or the new value depending on where the compiler decided to store it. The documentation does mention this and says that you need to use the volatile keyword to avoid it, but in typical C fashion there's nothing to enforce this, it's just up to the programmer to remember it.
It is extremely uncommon in C codebases because it is extremely dangerous. It makes hazards like pointer arithmetic and manually-terminated strings look like a walk in the park by comparison.
pinevale | 4 hours ago
longjmp is very uncommon, I don't recall seeing any high-quality C codebase using it, and if you want exceptions, you should pick a different language because longjmp doesn't really give you comparable semantics. It's basically saying "ok, computer, f--k my s--t up".
The fact that OOM conditions are an enduring source of exploitable vulnerabilities in PHP really should give everyone a pause. Like, that's not a thing in any sane project.
mjmas | 21 minutes ago
Lua does. (though it does have the option to use C++ exceptions or MSVC stack unwinding instead)
the_mitsuhiko | 6 hours ago
tuveson | 6 hours ago
godd2 | 2 hours ago
wren6991 | 3 hours ago
fock | 7 hours ago
Maxious | 7 hours ago
> Who is at risk: all PHP installations serving web requests, including PHP-FPM, Apache with mod_php, php-cgi, FrankenPHP and LiteSpeed.
https://www.php.net/archive/2026.php#2026-10-21-5
CodesInChaos | 6 hours ago
bombcar | 5 hours ago
But there were two vulns - only the second required the two requests.
charcircuit | 8 hours ago
What everyone is looking for.
CodeCompost | 8 hours ago
I assume it just got pushed?
invokestatic | 8 hours ago
Good4boothee | 6 hours ago
dannyw | 6 hours ago
ytxm | 8 hours ago
> This commit does not belong to any branch on this repository, and may belong to a fork outside of the repository.
Glorious. Today of all days it would genuinely give me pause for caution.
edit: yeah, really not feeling that: https://github.com/php/php-src/compare/php-8.2.34..php-8.2.3...
Hopefully just a mistake? But looks like a botched release at the least
OJFord | 8 hours ago
Is it perhaps a bit misleading, and only means that there's no branch containing that commit?
cyberclimb | 7 hours ago
drdec | 7 hours ago
OJFord | 4 hours ago
drdec | 50 minutes ago
CodesInChaos | 6 hours ago
On github forks are part of the same physical repository. You could imagine that each logical repository is just a namespace for branches and tags, backed by the same physical repository.
I do consider the warning a bug if github, it should check both tags and branches for commits which are to be considered part of a logical repository.
moritzwarhier | 3 hours ago
GitHub uses this metaphor, and, as another commenter already aptly described, it could be nothing more than a fancy name for namespaced branches, on the server side.
On the client side, "forks" are usually different repository clones with different remotes and a "coincidentally" shared history.
But you can also map forked repos to multiple remotes of the same repository for example, instead of folders.
Assuming that forks would live in separate clones/blobs on the server is not really based on anything, so I think the warning is a good middle ground between explaining what forks are and how they handle them, and giving actionable advice.
It's also better suited for PR:
"Fork me on GitHub"
vs
"Branch and push your own clone on GitHub, using our shared blob optimizations".
I think the warning is clear and there's nothing misleading about it, but others have already pointed this out and git can be tricky.
It's so good at providing the right level of abstraction to everyone though, it seems!
Similarly, GitHub invented the term "Pull Request" (aka PR, lol).
Not a git-owned term.
But "merge request" isn't a Git primitive either!
And, with Forks and Pull Requesrs, GitHub made a particular workflow in Git approachable to anyone!
I love GitLab, but people get confused by Merges, myself included, so the GH-enabled workflow of favoring ff-only merges, without merge commits, with quadi-linear history, became the norm and helped Git succceed!
But I also appreciate being able to do all kinds of different workflows.
So PRs were positive-sum PR at the time, I'd say. When they became popular, I was still taught Subversion and CVS at uni, alongside Git as "the new thing". Ar that time, many people considered the older systems simpler, and pondered SVN as the most reasonable middle ground between CVS and the decentralized concept of Git!
abbbi | 8 hours ago
Instantnoodl | 8 hours ago
technoknol | 8 hours ago
abbbi | 7 hours ago
https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=php8.2&suite=...
kps | 7 hours ago
Pxtl | 7 hours ago
bstsb | 8 hours ago
bombcar | 7 hours ago
awake2death or something
MertsA | 2 hours ago
indemnity83 | 3 hours ago
It seemed to be helpful for others too so I packaged it up, should work on most Nginx / Certbot servers. hopefully its useful: https://github.com/Indemnity83/popcorn
magar_fos | 8 hours ago
lousken | 7 hours ago
dizhn | 5 hours ago
andix | 8 hours ago
rocky_raccoon | 8 hours ago
nolok | 7 hours ago
jhogervorst | 8 hours ago
Looks like we need to be patient:
> Why is this not merged yet?
> I'm not a maintainer and can not merge this. Please wait until a maintainer has come around to look into this.
> This is merged, but I cannot find the image?
> After this PR has been merged, more steps are to be taken, including an upstream merge on docker-library/official-images and subsequent image builds. For a full description of the timeline, please refer to docker-library/faq#an-images-source-changed-in-git-now-what.
dmtroyer | 7 hours ago
andix | 7 hours ago
mrintegrity | 6 hours ago
cowlevel | 8 hours ago
Is this even reachable on Linux due to overcommit? Maybe by attempting a single extremely large allocation?
antiloper | 7 hours ago
baggy_trough | 8 hours ago
jayknight | 7 hours ago
janmo | 8 hours ago
Maxion | 7 hours ago
patrickdavey | 3 hours ago
Though quite possibly I'm missing something ;)
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edit: as I was typing the index was updated. So, as far as I can tell only just now (18:20 UTC) was it available for updating!
reddalo | 7 hours ago
dmtroyer | 8 hours ago
https://www.php.net/archive/2026.php#2026-10-20-1
bombcar | 7 hours ago
nr378 | 8 hours ago
https://www.php2shell.com/
https://www.wiz.io/blog/php2shell-php-rce
https://calif.io/php2shell/
https://openai.com/index/coordinated-disclosure-of-critical-... (not yet live)
https://thephp.foundation/blog/2026/10/21/todays-php-securit... (not yet live)
darkwater | 7 hours ago
bombcar | 7 hours ago
nicce | 7 hours ago
trollbridge | 7 hours ago
ImJamal | 7 hours ago
dspillett | 7 hours ago
trollbridge | 7 hours ago
dspillett | 7 hours ago
12837615 | 7 hours ago
LoganDark | 7 hours ago
chinathrow | 7 hours ago
And they botched this as someone talked. To me this looks like they used this for a PR stunt and aimed for an RCE.
nicce | 7 hours ago
Edit: was looking Wiz post when citation was from OpenAI
chinathrow | 7 hours ago
janmo | 7 hours ago
hdgvhicv | 7 hours ago
dspillett | 7 hours ago
nolok | 7 hours ago
rob | 7 hours ago
kijin | 7 hours ago
The launchpad server is throwing 503 errors all over the place, so that's probably the reason for the delay. Sury's own repo has the fixes all right.
cpncrunch | 7 hours ago
cpncrunch | 6 hours ago
unethical_ban | 6 hours ago
lee_ars | 6 hours ago
unethical_ban | 6 hours ago
anon1642 | 7 hours ago
I’d press go too - if something this big was known to some but not all…
We’ll all get through together
giancarlostoro | 7 hours ago
On the other hand, I don't mind AI companies doing this sort of thing, I'm sure a lot of our internet infrastructure could benefit from these sorts of fixes and changes.
Maxious | 7 hours ago
novafacing | 7 hours ago
joquarky | 49 minutes ago
The slop announcements are getting more annoying than the slop.
ndiddy | 7 hours ago
pinevale | 4 hours ago
This is a pretty constant theme in the infosec industry. The idea is that you want to do the "responsible" thing and let all the major, multi-billion-dollar companies patch first, so you form a secret club. But then, you share a very juicy, gossip-worthy thing with hundreds of people and ask them to sit on it for weeks. And guess what happens: they don't. Having worked for a big tech company, I've been involved on a couple of processes of this sort, and they all suffered leaks.
And rest assured, we'll learn nothing and try the same thing again next month or next year. Because what's the alternative? If you 0-day everyone, you get more hate mail, not less. It's all of sudden about you, not the vulnerable code. Microsoft or Cloudflare calls you irresponsible when asked for a PR statement, industry bloggers bully you, etc.
tetraodonpuffer | 7 hours ago
August 24, 2026: Wiz Research reports the vulnerabilities to the PHP security team.
September 21, 2026: PHP acknowledges the reports and begins developing a coordinated fix.
bramhaag | 7 hours ago
polishdude20 | 7 hours ago
charcircuit | 7 hours ago
pixl97 | 7 hours ago
hobofan | 7 hours ago
abc42 | 4 hours ago
AI is gonna make our stuff pretty robust, eventually. The transition phase might hurt a bit.
akersten | 7 hours ago
elmer2 | 4 hours ago
akersten | 2 hours ago
¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
phplovesong | 6 hours ago
PHP will always be the slop before AI.
gcr | 6 hours ago
esquire_900 | 7 hours ago
The official interim fix for php8.5 [1] could have been published 24h ago, or even 2 weeks ago, without revealing any security details. Specifically once the POC came online. Would have been significantly more useful than these polished blogs.
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but the costs (dev/sre time, missed sales, potential data leaks and hacks) of the way that this was handled is significant.
[1] https://github.com/php/php-src/security/advisories/GHSA-6wmf...
john_strinlai | 7 hours ago
these security companies reported it 2 months ago. it took a month for the php security team to acknowledge it and another month for the php team to develop & release the patch.
if you're going to be upset at anyone it should not be the reporters.
>The official interim fix for php8.5 [1] could have been published 24h ago, or even 2 weeks ago, without revealing any security details.
publishing the fix = publishing the security details.
charcircuit | 7 hours ago
weird-eye-issue | 7 hours ago
swiftcoder | 7 hours ago
0x457 | 6 hours ago
LordDragonfang | 4 hours ago
swiftcoder | 2 hours ago
The PHP maintainers have generated a certain amount of goodwill over their long service, which leads downstream consumers to trust their releases over every other packaging of "PHP the open source codebase".
Nonetheless, there are countless forks of that codebase, and there are other releases than the ones made by the PHP maintainers. Any particular downstream could switch to another source of releases if presented with a compelling enough reason.
charcircuit | 5 hours ago
john_strinlai | 5 hours ago
this is basically the same as releasing a working exploit.
charcircuit | 4 hours ago
solyin | 3 hours ago
Say I release a fix. I'm some rando but I go out to the world and say I fixed an issue with php. Use my version instead! Not telling you what I fixed, it's a secret, just trust me.
It will take, with LLM help, attackers a couple hours, tops, to reverse engineer my fix into active exploitation. Meanwhile, I'm some rando so no one's even heard of me, people who do hear don't automatically trust me to install my fix, so very few people have my fix. Meanwhile, the exploit is out there thanks to me and people are getting their sites hacked thanks to me.
That seems like a problem, no?
charcircuit | an hour ago
>I'm some rando so no one's even heard of me
Why do think people need to have heard of you. If you are reporting this issue directly to distro maintainers, security companies, hosting companies, etc first you can help use their names as part of the marketing push to raise awareness.
Dylan16807 | 36 minutes ago
There was an official patch within a few hours. It probably would have been a lot longer.
And that was the screwup case. If today had gone correctly the official patch would have been out by the time the bug was public.
charcircuit | 18 minutes ago
lokar | 7 hours ago
justinhj | 7 hours ago
charcircuit | 4 hours ago
Mitigating a bug and developing a proper solution that is maintainable long term and supports future changes being made to the software take different amounts of time to develop.
wat10000 | 7 hours ago
theboblong | 6 hours ago
Imagine if they had just patched the code and rolled it out with an advisory?! Oh my GOD! Won't someone think of Sam Altman and his huge pile of debt?!
aDyslecticCrow | 4 hours ago
Post AI, Its efficiency pre announcing the exploit to bad actors until the official disclosure.
You can just watch the diff log of every open source project with a small local model, and look for anything that touches buffers, function pointers, or shell integration.
It could be an hour between release of a fix before the exploit starts attacking servers.
Guess what also could happen within an hour? A coordinated Internet wide panic that shuts down all vulnerable servers.
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We actually have a recent example. OpenAI hack.
An undisclosed vulnerability fix to a image formal lib; packages into debian 12 running in a docker, used by imagemagic, used by discourse running OpenAIs user forum.
warkdarrior | 4 hours ago
charcircuit | 4 hours ago
sam1714 | 3 hours ago
Most users, who don't know the answer to your questions, rely on the distro to figure this out (and often pay good money for it).
paulddraper | 58 minutes ago
No one needs to use their work, or indeed PHP at all.
But that's why the PHP security team exists.
bombcar | 7 hours ago
If I had details on a RCE like this I'd report it but if I got no response for a WEEK I'd be trying other venues.
john_strinlai | 7 hours ago
i highly doubt it. these are pretty big names in the security sector who have plenty of experience reporting high severity vulns.
fock | 7 hours ago
dannyw | 7 hours ago
We don’t know when it went from a “memory safety issue” to “php2shell/RCE”.
Calif’s report is a little light on timelines, but reading between the lines, it seems they took a while to turn this into an actually exploitable vulnerability.
Finally, at least pre-LLM (and maybe a bit outdated now), responsible security disclosure norms is that you usually do wait for vendor (up to 90d) if there’s no signs of active exploitation. Even if it’s a RCE. Actually, especially if it’s a RCE.
The last thing you wanna do is go pinging random non-security PHP contributors or maintainers and have it leak with zero patch. That is truly the worst outcome.
Yes, this is bad, but also, it’s apparently been bad for decades; and it could’ve been much worse.
Maxious | 7 hours ago
Twirrim | 6 hours ago
dwohnitmok | 6 hours ago
soulofmischief | 3 hours ago
ferngodfather | 4 hours ago
That said, PHP team handled this poorly. How does letting everyone know so they can "prepare" help anyone at all. It just creates panic.
letmevoteplease | 3 hours ago
ferngodfather | 2 hours ago
paulddraper | 2 hours ago
If you have a bad process, fix the process.
dannyw | 7 hours ago
Sure, it’s PHP, but plenty of companies or organisations might have some PHP running somewhere; and once you’re in, lateral movement becomes a lot easier.
DaSHacka | 6 hours ago
They literally employ full-time Vulnerability Researchers doing nothing but 0-day discovery and PoC creation 24/7 to add to their horde. Plus contracting with the MIC for their full-time VRs for the occasional project.
bombcar | 5 hours ago
dspillett | 7 hours ago
Whether keeping the update quiet and including it in the next normal release, where there are more trees obscuring the wood that is the security concern, and announcing the bug a short time later once anyone using distro updates or otherwise keeping on top of things have updated, would be safer overall than what has happened today is up for debate. I can think of arguments in both directions.
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[1] which does have a slight whiff of AI marketing about it - would a human-found issue, without the option of a big AI company to claim some credit, have been handled differently?
chilmers | 6 hours ago
Nor can you just keep it quiet and smuggle it out in a regular release as you suggest. For one thing, changes in important software are be linked to commits and have pull requests, reviews, etc. Changes without these will immediately raise suspicion, as either a malicious change snuck into a release, or as a "quiet" fix to a major vulnerability, completely undermining the purpose of keeping it quiet in the first place. Moreover, major vulnerability fixes cannot be "quiet", because the whole point is to get as many people as possible to upgrade as quickly as possible. If PHP (or whoever) push out a release containing a major security fix, but don't make this clear, then many people will be in no rush to upgrade, and will get pwned.
dspillett | 3 hours ago
Sorry, I should have been specific: the concern is that this will happen faster than even the more fastidious admins (or daily or even hourly automated checks) will spot and apply updates.
> nowadays even the rumour
I think a lot fewer people would have paid attention at all without the rumour. Some ne'er-do-wells might have scanned a larger update for security issues otherwise, but I suspect most of those spending tokens on PHP this week would not have bothered had there just been a standard maintenance release that may or may not have included changes for a security issue that may (but probably not) have been so globally significant.
That is, at least in part, why the question of how to manage the release of updates like this is not a settled debate.
> then many people will be in no rush to upgrade, and will get pwned.
The worst case that we may be heading towards is that for any services on public facing infrastructure we might have to automatically apply updates with little or no time to verify, just to try be ahead of the ne'er-do-wells, with even superficial updates not mentioning the changes until a short time after to avoid giving clues to those who will scan for security issues if any such is mentioned (or nothing is mentioned - saying nothing about a security-only update only works if you say nothing about all updates, and you don't want to hold off on security-only updates on a slow moving project that might not have a non-security patch for quite some time).
beberlei | 6 hours ago
See PHP foundation blog post on their timeline
Avamander | 6 hours ago
But they could have accelerated the patch release once the embargo was broken and rumors of a PoC started going around. There was no need to wait 12+h today until the release.
stingraycharles | 6 hours ago
I don’t think this what happened at all, and even less so to specifically call out OpenAI.
The issue was discovered using their model, it was disclosed, and the PHP team took months to address it. Eventually it leaked.
This is a process / people failure that does not involve the people responsible for discovering it.
flanz_10 | 3 hours ago
"we the people deserve to know about vulns on day 0"
oh yeah? and what happens when a 0 day is released?
it's the same ignorance over and over.
vikramkr | 6 hours ago
Capricorn2481 | 5 hours ago
Amazingly, AWS Linux has not been patched yet.
pier25 | 5 hours ago
The PHP team knew about it since September 21st.
chairmansteve | 4 hours ago
MP_1729 | 4 hours ago
john_strinlai | 3 hours ago
hparadiz | 2 hours ago
consp | 7 hours ago
Boy, do I hate these PR websites masquerading as vulnerability reports. It's slop all the way down with these companies.
bombcar | 5 hours ago
rollulus | 5 hours ago
croemer | 4 hours ago
Pxtl | 7 hours ago
wildmXranat | 7 hours ago
It's like slop for infosec markters
pluc | 7 hours ago
alper | 6 hours ago
anon83748359 | 6 hours ago
WJW | 6 hours ago
benibela | 5 hours ago
Here was a PoC: https://jackalsyn.com/posts/php-up-2026.html
But it was withdrawn; now it says that it (CVE-2026-109618) is not an RCE and not even a CVE, apparently an addref call prevents the use-after-free. CVE-2026-109619 is still a memory safe bug, but they have no RCE for that one
luca4 | 4 hours ago
nairboon | 8 hours ago
cholmon | 7 hours ago
> We reserve the right to release earlier should details of either vulnerability become public, or should evidence of active exploitation appear in the wild.
https://www.php.net/archive/2026.php#2026-10-20-1
nairboon | 7 hours ago
kps | 7 hours ago
nairboon | 7 hours ago
petecooper | 7 hours ago
dataflow | 7 hours ago
Operyl | 7 hours ago
kps | 7 hours ago
cpncrunch | 7 hours ago
guffins | 7 hours ago
EDIT: looks like there are backports though
e12e | 7 hours ago
NiekvdMaas | an hour ago
joecool1029 | 7 hours ago
TekMol | 7 hours ago
The description of the vurnurability "Several multipart parsing problems" makes it sound like it is?
mirashii | 7 hours ago
kbmr | 7 hours ago
blog that was helpful to me: https://www.vincentschmalbach.com/cve-2026-109618-and-cve-20...
dstu | 7 hours ago
janmo | 7 hours ago
Neil44 | 7 hours ago
I realised that my linode and ovh vm's point at local mirrors not direct to ubuntu, I guess that's why the delay
mminer237 | 4 hours ago
Edit: Linode just updated its mirror.
trollbridge | 7 hours ago
Going to migrate the box to Debian in-place. (Or Gentoo, the way things are currently going.)
Amsozzer | 7 hours ago
trollbridge | 7 hours ago
Amsozzer | 7 hours ago
rob | 7 hours ago
Trufa | 7 hours ago
It feels like many times PRs could just be that.
trollbridge | 4 hours ago
ramesh31 | 7 hours ago
xyst | 7 hours ago
Infiltrate vulnerable PHP sites. Install backdoor(s). Secure root access. Patch PHP to lock out script kiddies. Let it sit dormant until you need to launch attack
ramesh31 | 7 hours ago
Maxion | 7 hours ago
groceryheist | 7 hours ago
xydone | 7 hours ago
jacquesm | 7 hours ago
Hehe. That's funny.
I can imagine a truce, either on machines ('ok, you take that one') or on cores ('16/8, deal?')
xydone | 7 hours ago
iamcreasy | 7 hours ago
alidl | 7 hours ago
Capricorn2481 | 5 hours ago
cdmoyer | 3 hours ago
imzadi | 7 hours ago
bartread | 7 hours ago
andix | 7 hours ago
bartread | 7 hours ago
Some systems and services still only allow for one owner though (I'm not going to name names), which can be a big problem when MFA is mandated. From what the poster I responded to said, I'd be very surprised if that were the case for them though - just slightly daft policy.
bombcar | 7 hours ago
andix | 7 hours ago
bombcar | 5 hours ago
Proprietary apps are a pita.
botas | 7 hours ago
Implemented a lot of “just in case” policies after that, which seemed obvious but oh well.
nolok | 7 hours ago
I've found that to be incredibly true in my career.
bombcar | 7 hours ago
And if the answer is no, well, then Bob just got Hotel California'd and can check out but can never leave.
Help Bob; help yourself.
epiecs | 7 hours ago
connicpu | 7 hours ago
volkk | 7 hours ago
jacquesm | 7 hours ago
openclawuser | 7 hours ago
Not everything needs hyper security. Heck, I've given AI access to spend money on websites and my only restriction is that the websites limit the daily spend(website side... Although I guess a rogue AI could have changed it... )
develoopest | 7 hours ago
calvinmorrison | 7 hours ago
tasuki | 7 hours ago
DonHopkins | 7 hours ago
"I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say 'Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that.' I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests." -Rasmus Lerdorf
bombcar | 7 hours ago
SoftTalker | 6 hours ago
quotemstr | 5 hours ago
SoftTalker | 5 hours ago
Maybe just CYA.
quotemstr | 4 hours ago
I'm 90% sure CGI can't be exploited this way in default configuration with ASLR and 99% sure if PHP is configured with memory_limit=-1
That said, don't be an idiot and switch to CGI instead of patching. I'm like one of three guys running PHP in CGI mode and I'm vaguely satisfied I have the most resistant configuration.
The reason, BTW, I run PHP in CGI mode is so I can (moral equivalent of) suexec to a locked-down sandboxed environment that limits exploit blast radius. I could do the same with fcgi daemon, but the suexec is stateless, and roundcube doesn't need the performance.
In general, anything stateful or long-lived is just one more thing that can go wrong. One reason why the trend of turning everything into a persistent daemon drives me nuts.
janmo | 7 hours ago
dmtroyer | 7 hours ago
janmo | 7 hours ago
bombcar | 7 hours ago
b112 | 7 hours ago
Most of docker is like this. Images provided by volunteers, and not related to the project. Using docker images you don't maintain yourself, and at least don't upgrade yourself, is not the best recipe for security.
(It's pretty trivial to build your own)
andix | 7 hours ago
vbezhenar | 7 hours ago
Honestly I don't even understand why so many docker images prefer to build software from sources, rather than just installing them from debian repositories.
andix | 7 hours ago
Because Debian uses older relases and a lot of custom patches. One example: Nodejs still doesn't have Typescript support in the Debian packages.
Distribution packages vs. official build from source has both pros and cons.
bombcar | 7 hours ago
dmtroyer | 7 hours ago
TimWolla | 2 hours ago
This is false. The Docker Official Images team (i.e. the folks with write access to the docker-library/* organization) are Docker employees.
b112 | 7 hours ago
Unclear why Ubuntu is lagging.
tomkarho | 7 hours ago
reddalo | 7 hours ago
This adds Ondřej Surý's PPA to your system so you can upgrade the packages.
nairboon | 7 hours ago
nairboon | 7 hours ago
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php8.3/8.3.6-0ubuntu0.2...
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php8.1/8.1.2-1ubuntu2.2...
but nothing shipped yet by their mirrors, unlike debian.
janmo | 7 hours ago
nairboon | 7 hours ago
openclawuser | 7 hours ago
They gave away CDs 20 years ago for free. Cooool.
Fedora is best for desktop.
Debian for servers that never need updates (but I even use Fedora for server now adays)
heatpump5n | 7 hours ago
pier25 | 7 hours ago
kps | 7 hours ago
5.6.40-104+0~20261021.134+debian12~1.gbp7401dd
7.4.33-31+0~20261021.121+debian12~1.gbpe9c428
abanana | 7 hours ago
jacquesm | 7 hours ago
nolok | 7 hours ago
boredtofears | 7 hours ago
openclawuser | 7 hours ago
But yeah, with AI agents, I don't really understand the purpose anymore. Legacy WordPress or laravel sites?
nolok | 7 hours ago
exceptione | 4 hours ago
Websites depending on an older framework like Zend Framework or libraries like Doctrine 1 do not have a clear upgrade path and are stuck at php5 or have to basically start from scratch. php5 to the latest php8 is just a jump too big.
cholmon | 7 hours ago
https://www.patreon.com/cw/oerdnj
aftergibson | 7 hours ago
bombcar | 7 hours ago
sixhobbits | 7 hours ago
mghackerlady | 6 hours ago
l5870uoo9y | 2 hours ago
sct202 | 6 hours ago
geerlingguy | 6 hours ago
basilgohar | 6 hours ago
jdhawk | 4 hours ago
Newest: 5.6.40-104 which has the CVE fixes.
jijijijij | 46 minutes ago
gslepak | 7 hours ago
https://blog.okturtles.org/2024/10/convert-wordpress-to-stat...
donohoe | 7 hours ago
bombcar | 7 hours ago
toast0 | 7 hours ago
Plus, wordpress updating isn't going to help you upgrade php.
rvz | 7 hours ago
antiloper | 7 hours ago
AznHisoka | 7 hours ago
chimeracoder | 5 hours ago
dizhn | 5 hours ago
rkozik1989 | 7 hours ago
hn_submit | 6 hours ago
That 70% of the internet still uses it is shocking to me. These organizations deserve to get burned badly. Let this incident be a warning to all of them!
preg_match | 4 hours ago
PHP is a memory-safe language. This vulnerability is a memory safety bug in the VM, which does happen from time to time. It happens with V8 (JS), Java, C#.
Dezvous | an hour ago
myko | 7 hours ago
mrits | 6 hours ago
SoftTalker | 6 hours ago
Xyrren | 7 hours ago
cpncrunch | 6 hours ago
cpncrunch | 6 hours ago
majewsky | 7 hours ago
If only we could come up with a way to manage memory automatically. Alas, one can only dream.
kg | 7 hours ago
In some environments OOM is a trappable exception, so it's possible that incorrectly authored code would trap the OOM and 'recover' with partially initialized data sitting on the heap. Hopefully it's a memory-safe language so that partially initialized data isn't RCE...
f311a | 7 hours ago
By simply searching for websites that used local includes to load other pages, you could get RCE.
At this point, running webapps in JS workers/sandboxes sounds like a good idea. Vendors take care of patching.
dannyw | 7 hours ago
f311a | 6 hours ago
Also, sandboxing makes automatic exploitation harder. There is no FS persistence, so some checks simply do not pass.
small_model | 7 hours ago
CookieCrisp | 7 hours ago
hurfdurf | 7 hours ago
jorisw | 7 hours ago
Ever heard of WordPress?
AdamGibbins | 7 hours ago
small_model | 7 hours ago
openclawuser | 7 hours ago
This hurts because my resume has laravel and WordPress on it. I built sooo many sites/apps on it.
With AI agents, I just can't imagine using PHP anymore unless I'm patching legacy stuff.
I loved laravel too... WordPress, love hate.
jorisw | 7 hours ago
spenvo | 7 hours ago
reddalo | 7 hours ago
geerlingguy | 7 hours ago
It would not be easy (or reasonable) to take a public build like that private to build a 'secret' image version, and I'm not sure GitHub even has the capability to do that. I would not trust a build pushed to Docker Hub separate from the established / public / auditable process they have in place.
glacier9147 | 7 hours ago
berofeev | 2 hours ago
Nauxuron | 7 hours ago
All dependent (official) images need to go through the same process, so that makes it fairly problematic, and I think Docker needs to take a look at it for the future.
geerlingguy | 6 hours ago
It should definitely have a 'high impact' workflow that bypasses some of those manual steps.
KaiserPro | 7 hours ago
they are wanting people to pay for the hardened version.
teekert | 7 hours ago
So far, no dice.
Timshel | 7 hours ago
ckbkr10 | 7 hours ago
jdw64 | 7 hours ago
andrelaszlo | 7 hours ago
trvz | 7 hours ago
teekert | 7 hours ago
fullstop | 4 hours ago
teekert | 7 hours ago
andix | 4 hours ago
I'm currently waiting for a new docker image for another project, and their maintainer noticed the old PHP versions in the freshly built images and is still waiting or working on releasing a new container build.
lol768 | 4 hours ago
andix | 3 hours ago
reddalo | 3 hours ago
xorcist | 3 hours ago
"Let's use this packaging some rando on the Internet built" is a strategy that is exactly as good as it seems, but that's the Docker ecosystem for you.
Packagers who actually understand the software put in good work to package that software in small and well maintained packages. Use them instead!
andix | 2 hours ago
bityard | an hour ago
alrenai | 7 hours ago
torbengee | 7 hours ago
basilgohar | 7 hours ago
danso | 7 hours ago
nicce | 6 hours ago
tokioyoyo | 6 hours ago
Avamander | 6 hours ago
pamcake | 6 hours ago
nicce | 5 hours ago
dannyw | 6 hours ago
The average phpBB or Wordpress, even if it's behind cloudflare, probably has a direct IPv4 that's not disabled.
aDyslecticCrow | 4 hours ago
Neikius | 3 hours ago
aDyslecticCrow | an hour ago
This is a storm, but hopefully quick to blow over with a panic frency of apt update or docker build.
The immediate exposure is faar worse here though, since its by design internet facing code.
A college enabled logging on their server as soon as they saw the news, and got dozens of attempted requests against index.php.
Lt_Riza_Hawkeye | 2 hours ago
segmondy | 6 hours ago
sourcecodeplz | 7 hours ago
apt upgrade
julian9499 | 7 hours ago
theturtletalks | 7 hours ago
lousken | 7 hours ago
spenvo | 7 hours ago
how does Docker not yet have a new, official PHP image ready, given such a big heads up? https://hub.docker.com/_/php Nuts this wasn't ready to flip on at :00 (or even earlier given the PoC exploit and even the official PHP fixes were out well before). Now we are 52 minutes past due. (posting comment again, because the other thread i posted in was marked as dupe.)
jMyles | 6 hours ago
andrin | 6 hours ago
Edit: Seems like GitHub has issues with merging PRs: https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/pull/22541
maaarghk | 6 hours ago
sunaookami | 6 hours ago
teekert | 6 hours ago
adlpz | 6 hours ago
https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/pull/22544
Maybe the guy that has to click OK is asleep?
asimovDev | 6 hours ago
https://github.com/docker-library/faq#an-images-source-chang...
adlpz | 6 hours ago
https://hub.docker.com/_/php/tags
EDIT: 25min later, nope.
bowersbros | 6 hours ago
https://hub.docker.com/layers/library/php/8.5.12-fpm/images/...
nuil | 5 hours ago
tmstieff | 5 hours ago
reddalo | 4 hours ago
nuil | an hour ago
spenvo | 5 hours ago
yurishimo | 4 hours ago
amykhar | 4 hours ago
phplovesong | 7 hours ago
mrintegrity | 6 hours ago
nairboon | 6 hours ago
and not the github mirror?
bitbasher | 6 hours ago
kstrauser | 6 hours ago
1. Hey LLM, turn this binary into source code.
2. Hey LLM, see any glaring security issues with this source code?
bitbasher | 6 hours ago
kstrauser | 5 hours ago
0x457 | 5 hours ago
anonymous908213 | 4 hours ago
They actually aren't. Most of the claimed cases of "recompilation" are just an emulator packaged into the same binary as the game so you can't tell it's an emulator, or are for projects that already had their source code available (in which case "porting" to WASM is trivial because all of the hard work is done by the people who write your-language-to-WASM compilers, and you just need to do a little bit of work to adjust your toolchain to use it). Everyone just takes slopshit at face value and shares clickbait without actually checking any of the work done. It's infuriating how empowering this software is for liars, honestly.
tikotus | 6 hours ago
tovve | 6 hours ago
decidu0us9034 | 6 hours ago
> Exploit portability and reliability depend on the PHP build, extensions, frontend behavior and allocator layout.
redox99 | 6 hours ago
They'll of course install a backdoor and patch the exploit so others can't come in. They won't deface the website, so there won't be signs.
tommek4077 | 4 hours ago
deanc | 6 hours ago
The thing that's annoyed me the most is the speculation and misinformation, filling in the gaps. Folks looked into the php-src and figured out one of the vulnerabilities, starting saying you should disable certain php settings and then core PHP developers on obscure mailing lists hinting this isn't enough.
Given how inexpensive it is for agents to scan popular OSS projects, disclosure needs to be more discrete and you cannot publish fixes to OSS before disclosure. People will be and are watching for this kind of thing already.
alper | 6 hours ago
lexoj | 6 hours ago
ljm | 6 hours ago
philipwhiuk | 6 hours ago
> PHP 8.5.12, 8.4.27, 8.3.36 and 8.2.35 fix two critical vulnerabilities that can allow unauthenticated remote code execution. All PHP users are strongly encouraged to update immediately.
Earlier versions are not fixed by PHP official and need vendor patching where available
ljm | 6 hours ago
varispeed | 6 hours ago
mahboi | 6 hours ago
OscarCunningham | 6 hours ago
Maxion | 6 hours ago
dannyw | 5 hours ago
akersten | an hour ago
modeless | 5 hours ago
anonymous908213 | 4 hours ago
modeless | 4 hours ago
redox99 | 4 hours ago
square_usual | 4 hours ago
n2d4 | 4 hours ago
If 97% of programs use 2x more compute, the total amount of compute used in the world will be nearly unaffected.
bombcar | 2 hours ago
Perseids | 3 hours ago
Come to think of it, I believe it would actually be a good idea to lobby for exactly that. Memory safety issues have been a plague in IT for far too long.
captn3m0 | 3 hours ago
IshKebab | 3 hours ago
Not in general no, but it is for PHP. If you cared about a 2x overhead why are you using a language with 10x overhead (conservatively)?
sharess | 3 hours ago
andix | 3 hours ago
preommr | 3 hours ago
*rolls 3"
"Your IPO gets delayed another month"
bowersbros | 6 hours ago
bartnp | 6 hours ago
butler14 | 6 hours ago
schleck8 | 5 hours ago
There are already functional exploit scripts on GitHub, you can target any Wordpress site right now.
smurf9852 | 5 hours ago
butler14 | 5 hours ago
qwm | 5 hours ago
techteach00 | 5 hours ago
vaylian | 5 hours ago
iLoveOncall | 5 hours ago
Capricorn2481 | 5 hours ago
londons_explore | 5 hours ago
I thought the real lesson was "assume your web server is compromised if you use php, and try to make sure php doesn't touch anything too critical"
arm32 | 5 hours ago
dizhn | 5 hours ago
user43928 | 4 hours ago
At that point I would not need a backend.
aurareturn | 5 hours ago
joenada | 5 hours ago
Capricorn2481 | 5 hours ago
I have not seen confirmation Cloudflare is doing anything except playing whack a mole with certain request patterns. PHP Core Devs have been clear you need to upgrade. If this is true, it's disgustingly opportunistic that Cloudflare is using this critical security time to lie to people that they are safe.
Anyone from Cloudflare want to speak to this?
cr3ative | 5 hours ago
These were rolled out before the exploit became public.
I would wouldn't describe that as damning.
Capricorn2481 | 5 hours ago
Why is word circulating that you can just sign up for Cloudflare and be 100% protected from this? They are burying the leed and trying to get new customers, and it's working.
AtNightWeCode | 4 hours ago
The old way of doing things like putting old unpatched stuff behind firewalls is pretty much a dead pattern today.
sjs382 | 5 hours ago
https://wpenginestatus.com/incidents/969801
dizhn | 5 hours ago
throwaway82931 | 16 minutes ago
consocio | 5 hours ago
GLM 5.3 just wrote it to audit all my php sites. I hope it is useful to you
2OEH8eoCRo0 | 5 hours ago
m4tthumphrey | 5 hours ago
consocio | 5 hours ago
sourcecodeplz | 5 hours ago
made it in time hopefully
jillesvangurp | 5 hours ago
joering2 | 5 hours ago
ytxm | 4 hours ago
febed | 5 hours ago
conradfr | 5 hours ago
smalu | 4 hours ago
`[00:06:03.209] pecl install -f amqp igbinary redis imagick` :sad_face:
conradfr | 4 hours ago
eqmvii | 4 hours ago
jdhawk | 4 hours ago
conradfr | 4 hours ago
TimWolla | 2 hours ago
Disclosure: I'm a PHP core team member and also contributed some code to PIE.
cute_boi | 4 hours ago
I would not recommend using PHP. The PHP team keeps breaking backward compatibility and trying to introduce new features instead of focusing on fixing bugs and hardening the compiler.
goryramsy | 4 hours ago
https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/alerts/2026/10/21/critical-...
amelius | 4 hours ago
Yeah it sucks, but the alternative could be worse.
a-nych | 4 hours ago
I've also published the built images from them to GitHub Registry, but of course it's best to inspect any public repo/docker image before using them blindly.
https://github.com/a-nych/php-eol-backports
kccqzy | 4 hours ago
a-nych | 4 hours ago
kccqzy | 4 hours ago
a-nych | 3 hours ago
What I meant was: don't trust prebuilt images from a stranger, including mine. I've provided them just as a convenience, the Dockerfiles and patches can be easily looked-through, and building them yourself is the safer option if you need these docker images.
blain | 4 hours ago
[1] https://status.php.net/
It says pecl.php.net recovered but downloading source for extensions ends up with 504 most of the time.
davidgoggins | 4 hours ago
smusamashah | 4 hours ago
johng | 4 hours ago
rafael-lua | 3 hours ago
jijijijij | 55 minutes ago
nr378 | 3 hours ago
From what I can see, this causes a crash only, and isn't weaponisable. It's a use-after-free, but the reclaim window is zero by construction.
jerf | 3 hours ago
It's going to be pretty bad if we all panic to get the latest PHP up, and all confidently roll out our updated websites, just for them to still be vulnerable to something serious anyhow.
sparklingmango | 2 hours ago
talon8635 | 12 minutes ago
We are damned if we don’t and (often times) damned if we do
dang | 4 hours ago
Today's PHP security release, and how we're strengthening security - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50182987 - Oct 2026 (114 comments)
PHP2Shell: AI uncovers critical RCE in PHP - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50180836 - Oct 2026 (146 comments)
PHP session.upload_progress heap UAF (CVE-2026-109618 / -109619) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50176077 - Oct 2026 (61 comments)
Security advisory: Critical remote code execution vulnerabilities, update now - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50172041 - Oct 2026 (631 comments)
Tell HN: 2x PHP RCE CVEs with CVSS 10.0 Incoming - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50167754 - Oct 2026 (60 comments)
RoshanAmble | 3 hours ago
devtor | 3 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfEtbrz4-zY
dabinat | 3 hours ago
dhruvagoyal | 3 hours ago
shevy-java | 3 hours ago
Some web-services are back up again here in central Europe, but some are not, which is very annoying. Kind of surprising to see how much PHP is actually used. Hate it or love it, PHP really is very important still - lots of the web depends on it.
choilive | 3 hours ago
EGreg | 2 hours ago
https://github.com/Qbix/proxy
efesak | 48 minutes ago
dalvrosa | 2 hours ago
gib444 | 2 hours ago
Maybe Hetzner know a company that can help out with extra computer resource...? /s
Useless. My fault for paying peanuts
system7rocks | an hour ago
efesak | 56 minutes ago
dataflow | 39 minutes ago
Note I want it to work with the backports too, not just the latest version.