MapQuest will now show you where Flock cameras are in your neighborhood

251 points by bookofjoe 11 hours ago on hackernews | 45 comments

emig647 | 8 hours ago

This is how you start getting the users back. The Lake Ontario naming situation pushed me to using them. It has been working great in CarPlay. My wife loved the unicorn. I get to avoid (or hunt) Flock cameras. Everyone wins.

chuckadams | 7 hours ago

> The Lake Ontario naming situation pushed me to using them

I hate the name change too but it did go through official channels, so what else is a map provider supposed to do? Should they have also refused to rename Mt. McKinley to Denali? I mean, I'd actually be proud to see an overtly partisan declaration that they won't honor a single name change from this administration, but that's a much different matter than taking it case by case. I suspect the real reason the rename hasn't happened is that MapQuest's software simply isn't capable of doing it gracefully.

Also, hope you have a good adblocker when you use MQ. They are owned by bottom feeders of a sort that makes Bending Spoons look like the FSF.

rdiddly | 7 hours ago

What "official channels" exist for renaming things that aren't even within your borders? It's less like renaming McKinley to Denali and more like "renaming" the Atlantic Ocean to the America Ocean. It's blatantly stupid, not acknowledged by most human beings, and won't last five minutes in history, and all of these facts are obvious to anyone who isn't stupid or corrupt, so what is the big mystery? What are they supposed to do besides what? You either adopt a frivolous rename or you don't.

nilamo | 6 hours ago

The proposed rename breaks the HOMES (Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Eerie, Superior) acronym all of us in Michigan learned, and is thus doomed to failure. Because SHAME is a much worse acronym.

Doctor_Fegg | 2 hours ago

> what else is a map provider supposed to do?

Deferring to Government naming is only one possible approach. OpenStreetMap takes another: “the name that people use on the ground”. The Gulf of Mexico is still the Gulf of Mexico in OSM and will remain so until popular parlance changes.

FireBeyond | 44 minutes ago

> I hate the name change too but it did go through official channels

LOL, the Trump appointed buffoon at USGS who fell over himself to tell Trump in a memo that he'd gone ahead and made it happen even before it was official?

Good thing it's official, then. That's what matters.

Mapquest is reliable for you in CarPlay? I tried it out after the Lake Ontario incident, and it was hanging and crashing left and right.

pkthunder | 5 hours ago

Just tried it on mine - worked fine. I can’t see a way to end the trip via CarPlay though.
Did you actually use it while making a trip though, or try to use the UI in earnest?

Waterluvian | 2 hours ago

It’s incredible just how quickly Google and Apple folded to the will of their country’s king renaming stuff.

ButlerianJihad | 2 hours ago

Waterluvian | 2 hours ago

Sorry is this a joke I don’t get?

ryandrake | an hour ago

OP is attempting to draw a connection between renaming international bodies of water with longstanding, internationally recognized names with renaming a few small local hills, valleys and landmarks, ignoring size and scale and the motivation behind the renaming.

csense | an hour ago

$PRESIDENT asked people to call $PLACE by $NEWNAME for political reasons. Some people and companies did, including Google and Apple.

By using the words "folded to the will of their country’s king" that poster is implying the President did an illegitimate power grab and the companies ought to have kept the old name on their maps.

The reply is pointing out that if this was really the issue, people should have applied the same logic in the prior instance when PRESIDENT="Biden" and PLACE="Squaw Harbor, Alaska".

They're trying to say "Everyone must resist government overreach and politicalspeak" as taking a moral high ground that only bad people can disagree with. Which the reply is undermining with a citation that re-contextualizes it as "Everyone must resist government overreach and politicalspeak (when the other party does it to promote their values, when my party does the same thing to promote our values it's totally fine and business as usual)". With the parenthetical added it's no longer a moral high ground (uniting everyone against an abnormal exercise of power which everyone should oppose regardless of which side is exercising it), it becomes (charitably) a value disagreement (one side wants to eliminate derogatory terms for minorities, the other wants to practice patriotism and a dislike for Canada) or (less charitably) plain old hypocrisy (one side says "This is bad, but only when your side does it").

I don't think it's intended to be a joke at all, rather it's suggesting the line of reasoning is inconsistent / hypocritical.

We should have a society where every website operator should be able to make an honest living selling ads to everybody who wants information. Instead our public discourse is so messy and angry that any action or inaction gets labelled as an outrageous, inflammatory political choice that pisses off half the country. (This paragraph is my personal opinion.)

"Republicans buy sneakers, too." -- Michael Jordan

estearum | an hour ago

Huh? People weren't upset about Biden renaming shit because it wasn't intended to upset people. Trump's decisions were quite literally intended to piss people off because he's a narcissist and can't stand to be out of the spotlight for 45 seconds.

Gigachad | 24 minutes ago

Google and Apple have a policy of showing every user what their own government officially recognises. For the entire history of Google maps there have been disputed borders and names where Google just shows users different results based on their location.

halJordan | 57 minutes ago

What no? It's pandering. Pandering of course works, that's why it's done. But just because you're the one being pandered to, doesn't mean it's not pandering.
This shows the license plate readers i added last week on openstreetmap so we know where the data comes from. Nice render on their map - even shows camera direction

i added generic LPR’s - and they show on mapquest, so be aware its not just flock on their map.

To enable the view on mapquest, i could not figure it out on web, used ios app; layers / surveillance

Ios app; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-gps-navigation-maps/i...

VorpalWay | 5 hours ago

I believe they have used OSM for a long time yes (over a decade at least), not exactly a secret.

ErroneousBosh | 5 hours ago

They use OSM and they provide the "free use as much as you like" tileservers for OSM.

willmeyers | 7 hours ago

This data all stored in OpenStreetMap via DeFlock and other apps. One thing that should be said is that anyone can plot a camera via these apps whether or not one is actually there or not. I know that OSM community has been dealing with a lot Flock related vandalism because of these apps.

ErroneousBosh | 5 hours ago

The full export of OSM is about 2TB but the US is only around 100GB even if you go to insane levels. It's disproportionately large because there are a hell of a lot of OSM-ers in the US ;-)

Anyway what we should do is keep a few clean snapshots of the US as a backup, on hosting safely outside the US - or US-owned companies.

Symbiote | 4 hours ago

The OpenStreetMap project/foundation is based in the Netherlands and UK last I checked.

ErroneousBosh | 3 hours ago

Yes, but the people who edit the US map data are mostly in the US and we should be providing safe storage and a safe way past the Great Firewall for them.

alterom | 7 hours ago

Wow. This is one unexpected comeback.

And as a former Google Maps employee... I'm loving it.

Noaidi | 5 hours ago

MapQuest is acting like Democrats should be acting.

platevoltage | 21 minutes ago

Unfortunately, most liberals are addicted to electing center-right Democrats. I'm looking at you San Francisco.

amelius | 5 hours ago

Anything similar for meta glasses?
You are using Meta glasses and worrying about surveillance? I don’t want to be mean, but if you run around with one of those, I would want to be alerted of _your_ presence..

amelius | 4 hours ago

No.
„No” what specifically? :) You are not worried about surveillance?

BorisMelnik | 5 hours ago

dam Mapquest? if they make a project that shows me directions, not photos of food at restaurants, ads for fast food, etc ill start using them

phyzix5761 | 4 hours ago

Would you pay for it or how else do you suppose they could make money?

topkai22 | 5 hours ago

TIL that there is a surveillance tech company named Axis Communications and it remains true that our societal self awareness is terrible.
Great idea - it's your "driving directions" app that decides if you drive by these cameras, or not!

talon8635 | 4 hours ago

I had no idea MapQuest still existed. How have they survived the past 15 years?

tarellel | 4 hours ago

I’d say the majority of their users are probably older. People who started using it based on familiarity from when they first used it a decade ago (or more). I do know my in-laws refuse to use Google/Apple Maps, because it’s “what they know”.

kogasa240p | 4 hours ago

Very cool to see, and I'm curious if they'll start logging where Axion cams are next (if DeFlock doesn't already have Axion cameras logged). Also like how MapQuest doesn't lock multiple destinations behind needing an account, at least for the desktop version.

yboris | 4 hours ago

Halloween is National DeFlock Day -- just spreading the good meme ;)

user3939382 | 4 hours ago

Countdown til Flock’s PR firm resets the controversy movement by renaming the company and it takes the public 5+ years to catch on again.

mediaeater | 4 hours ago

This is how you normalize it.

pipeline_peak | 2 hours ago

Reminds me of Mozilla, another aging tech company grasping for relevance through political pandering. I wonder if eBay will refuse to sell MAGA hats next.

amanaplanacanal | 2 hours ago

Providing a service your customers want is political pandering now?

pipeline_peak | 2 hours ago

Explain to me what the service provides and who it caters to.

platevoltage | 25 minutes ago

I guess this is Mapquest's business model. Don't cuck to the Trump admin when he changes the name of a body of water on a whim, and show us where obtrusive technology is so we can avoid it. Cool