> “The extent of ICE’s noncompliance is almost certainly substantially understated,” Judge Patrick Schiltz recently wrote in a scornful order that included a list of 74 cases in which his colleagues on the bench had found violations. “ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.”
You are creating an economic dependency system that historically is incredibly hard to roll back.
A very under talked about component of fascism/authoritarian creep is the economic path dependencies that get created and become nearly impossible to roll back.
Cause lets game it out, you build dozens of concentration camps that employ thousands across the country, tens of thousands of ICE agents, thousands of Administrative staff, tech company contracts to build the digital infrastructure of the police state, arms contracts to supply weapons, rental cars for ICE agents, which then generate secondary economic activity(food delivery, medical care, procurement services, rentals, laundering, unrelated economic activity created by those salaries).
Suddenly "Abolish ICE" is a threat to a local economy and tens of thousands of voters jobs. And you have billion dollar industries flooding politicians coffers to not harm their economic interests.
But the thing is this activity also has a tendency to crowd out private market economic activity so if economic activity slows you are incentivized to further grow the police state both to quell dissent and anger but also as a jobs and stimulus program. Which plays right into the narrative of always needing to find internal and external enemies to blame problems on.
Idk man. I’m ready to use the same attitude they did with the actions of doge. As a VA resident, I am well aware what their activities have done to the economy and jobs in the capital region, and there was absolutely zero thought put toward softening the economic or operational blow the job cuts would do to the region or the country. We’re already seeing the knock-on effects to weather forecasts due to what they did with NOAA for instance.
So yeah. Fuck it, too bad, deal with it. Things will recover. It is a deeply horrific organization that needs to be seriously curtailed. I’m over trying to make sure nobody gets in any way harmed by some action of the state. This is the learned helplessness we seem to be paralyzed by on the left and is one reason why we can’t ever seem to get anything done. To pull out an old cliche, you want to make an omelet, you’re gonna have to break some eggs.
I’m a social work intern at the VA now, and I get whiplash from the dumb shit orders that are suddenly pulled back because they aren’t grounded in reality. For example, any vet here that’s from out of state had to pay out of pocket to get back home. I think I heard about it on a Monday, and a week later the team was told not to worry about it.
It’s not even just losing the job at ICE. Say we all succeed in shutting down the American secret political police/paramilitary. Would you ever hire someone who had ICE in their work history? I wouldn’t ever. If that came out about someone in this blue state targeted by ICE they would be fired in an instant. Would you be friends with or date someone who had an ICE history? The soon to be former employees of ICE are likely going to regret the short term paycheck (assuming Trump actually pays them… lol) they exchanged for social and employment shunning the rest of their lives.
Trumps don’t pay their debts, and the trains don’t really run on time in fascist dictatorships. I highly doubt the whole recently hired cohort will see the bonus. Not that I’m crying for them.
There's another clause. They also have to meet their quota which is actually impossible Iirc the quota is 8 arrests a day. If they miss quota once they are ineligible for the bonus. It's a scam.
You aren't wrong, but there's a difference between pulling the rug out from under a medical system and pulling the rug out from under an army of thugs with long arms and a massively bad attitude.
The agents are complaining about being paid. I don't know how sustainable an ICE economy would be. But you're right, if they solidify it as an economy people can rely on for safety, they'll become entrenched.
and the people joined with promise of a 50k bonus.. that kicks in after 5 years. expect that to be brought up if we have a dem president and he tries to reduce ice funding.
That was probably the agreement with dem leadership(rich people). We get to do this but you can claw back their “bonus” to hurt them. Keep the people happy with the social media feed addictions throw in some retribution talk about how ice agents won’t get bonuses and no one notices how our government and laws only function against the new poor group all of us. They no longer protect anyone only serve the wealthy.(>50 million is wealthy according to politicians and power brokers anything less is a number to be played with)
wait until nov, they are definitely going to be deployed enmass to polling stations. Bannon says trump should send military. and now that nationwide injuctions are no longer a thing, expect a lot in the south where the 5th and 4th rule.
lol. I had just moved to Texas when the whole Jade Helm business kicked off. I hadn't lived in the U.S. for close to a decade so I was pretty surprised to learn that a significant number of my neighbors were very vulnerable to such ridiculous conspiracy theories.
It’s always a projection with them. They feared camps bc it’s what they would do to political opponents. Also, I think they knew at some level that their insane bullshit attacking people’s rights has more than earned a forceful response (I am not advocating for anything breaking reddit rules). People whose loved ones have been terrorized, whose wives or daughters have been sickened or killed because it’s now illegal for them to get basic healthcare… you name it. At some level they are aware of how deplorable they are
I tried confronting Alex Jones about this one time when he was at the Muller Investigation protest in Austin. I'm like look pulled out my phone your FEMA camp documentary is still up on Amazon Prime, how are you supporting this?
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I have a core memory staring at a puzzle who's answer was "History Repeats Itself" and thinking well at least not that. And here we are. It is happening. Do I need a secret trap door for myself or my neighbor?
The holocaust has always been a special interest of mine and it took me an embarrassingly long time to understand that most of the people who facilitated that genocide weren't hardcore Nazis. Most of them were just apathetic, misinformed, ignorant, selfish or some combination thereof.
We're in a similar sort of situation now where I don't believe that most Americans support fascism in our country. But a lot of them can't be arsed to do anything about it or, at the very least, pay attention and keep themselves informed by legitimate sources.
I think you're right. They don't support it, but they don't want to stand up to it. There's a strange passivity in America that I don't really understand. Like, Canadians are out there burning cop cars and borderline rioting when their hockey teams loses. ICE said it was coming to the Olympics, and Milan broke out in riots. Nepal chased their leaders into the street and threw rocks at them because they were going to ban social media. But in the US, secret police are grabbing people off the street and everyone is standing by like they're waiting for something to change.
I've been protesting my entire adult life. It wasn't until Trump's first term that I feared for my safety, and it wasn't until his second term that I feared for my life.
>Americans are justifiably afraid of their govt more than the French or Canadians.
Yup.
If you do stuff to directly impede ICE, it won't be effective. ICE will still get the person they were out for, but, now, they'll get you, too. You will have thrown away your life for nothing.
Not to mention that you might precipitate martial law country-wide. No-one wants that.
As terrible as things are, we still have something to lose. We all know that.
ICE brings out 10-12 people, and they do what they want among crowds of 50+. There's literally nothing any of them could do if the crowds were willing to stand against them. However, Americans are scared of standing up to people. Maybe the Canadians and Italians aren't dealing with the kinds of resistance the US is, but the Nepalese did. The Philipinos did. The Sudanese did.
Americans get walked all over by ICE and the police in general, because they're not willing to stand up to them. When they finally do, ICE will cease to exist.
Edit: And to further support that last point: morale in ICE is already low. They don't like what they're doing, they don't like being the bad guys, they're feeling ripped off. If ICE was scared to do their jobs, they'd crumble like a house of cards.
>[M]orale in ICE is already low. They don't like what they're doing, they don't like being the bad guys, they're feeling ripped off. If ICE was scared to do their jobs, they'd crumble like a house of cards.
Oh, yes! You know SO much better what we should do!
Our entire population is clearly so despicably weak, addle-brained, complacent, and cowardly that the simple response of fighting back hadn't occurred to any of us.
Obviously, we need someone with your deep understanding of our situation to guide us. Your vision, uncluttered by the practical facts of being here, could lead us out of this present darkness.
I beg you to come to our troubled shores and lob the first Molotov cocktail yourself. See what happens.
I'm sure that, with a rag-tag group of freedom fighters, you'd have ICE demolished by the end of this week!
> Oh, yes! You know SO much better what we should do!
Than you? Yes. I have no patience for people who excuse inaction as propriety.
Fortunately the US does have people who are willing to act. Unfortunately, they're outnumbered by people who do nothing, driven on by cowards who tell them they're right to do so.
Different circumstances lead to different responses.
In general, it's lazy to try to explain the actions of a whole group of people by labeling those people with a negative personality trait. It doesn't make a lot sense, either, given the variation in personalities among people in any nation.
If Americans are acting in ways that look cowardly to you, there are structural reasons for those "cowardly" actions. You probably just don't see or understand those reasons.
In our (the US's) case, the lack of efficacy, the threat of personal harm (while accomplishing nothing), and the threat of martial law are why we're not doing things like throwing Molotov cocktails.
From what I understand, in the examples you mentioned, people had a good chance of winning and little to lose if they lost. That's very different from the situation the US population is in
> In general, it's lazy to try to explain the actions of a whole group of people by labeling those people with a negative personality trait. It doesn't make a lot sense, either, given the variation in personalities among people in any nation.
No, I am characterizing a large group by the behavior they exhibit.
Other nations now how to keep their government in check. Or when they fail to do this, are at least willing to stand up to it. The USA has absolutely failed at this.
> From what I understand, in the examples you mentioned, people had a good chance of winning and little to lose if they lost. That's very different from the situation the US population is in
You really think that the situation us citizens are in is more dire than those under Duterte? al-Bashir? Really? I mean, I know US exceptionalism is a common thing among our populace, but this is just fucking ridiculous.
This person literally just explained why to you. We’ve watched people just legally watching them get murdered and what has happened? No justice, no accountability. Nobody wants to take a stand when they know it’s not going to do anything.
Oh sorry, I forgot that no one ever died in any other revolution in history. Pack it up boys, they're killing people. Nothing we can do.
> No justice, no accountability. Nobody wants to take a stand when they know it’s not going to do anything.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
Edit: I remember Robert Evans tells this story about being in Ukraine while the Russian military police were cracking down on protest, he meets these two Ukrainian computer programmers who keep going out to the front lines, and then come back every evening. He asks them how they do it, and they tell him "It's not that hard. They're all outfitted in this big heavy armor, so you just grab them and lift."
I wish Americans had one tenth of the resolve of the Ukrainians.
The exact people who have been claiming for ages that we have an amendment for exactly this sort of thing, simply aren't doing what they promised they would right now.
Americans don't have to ask themselves whether or not they're willing to protest, we have to ask ourselves whether or not we're willing to lose our lives. That's the difference.
If a cop in France or Italy or Canada kills a protester, they will rightly face the full force of that country's judicial system.
In the US, if an ICE agent kills someone, they get transferred to a different location and hundreds of thousands of dollars raised on their behalf.
I'd argue that protesting in today's America is more akin to that of Iran or Saudi Arabia than Canada or Italy.
I'm not saying they haven't. I'm saying this is a new concept for most Americans. I wasn't alive when Kent State happened, and I was a small kid when Rodney King was almost beaten to death. I've read about protesters being killed, but it's never been something I've had to worry about before. It's extremely easy to tell yourself you'd be at the front lines and willing to lose your life, but that's not how it works. Call it cowardly and that's fine, because it is.
And you think that's unique to America? Like, do you think people of Nepal were all born into violence? Do you think the Sudanese were fighting their whole lives? Do you think the Ukrainians were well versed in death?
>Watching people stand by as ICE illegally invades peoples homes and then drags them into unmarked vans, I'm starting to understand.
A lot of people "just watching" are protesting in the ways that aren't counterproductive. Doing stuff like lying down in the street, throwing smoke bombs, etc. wouldn't stop ICE from still getting they people they'd targeted. Those people would still have their lives ruined. The only difference is that you'd have your life ruined, too.
There's not much constructive protest people can do besides marching (which we have a lot of these days. That's nice to see, but the government doesn't really care), writing to their representatives (which isn't very useful in many cases, either because they're not going to listen or are already on your side) , or donating money to various efforts.
> A lot of people "just watching" are protesting in the ways that aren't counterproductive.
Really? Because I watched Nepal drive their leaders out of the country and install a new government in a couple of months. Meanwhile ICE is shooting people in the streets and building concentration camps, and you are talking about how what you're doing isn't counterproductive.
It's not like you know, standing there, what's illegal and what isn't. If you just assume everything ICE does is illegal, you could very easily find yourself on the wrong side of your particular case.
Considering the information available on that page, I don't see how this backs up any claim that the original poster appeared to be leaning toward. The claim of insidious incinerators have so far been debunked, so let's not stoop to the current R low of conspiracy theories and lying.
Let’s wait and see precisely what their plan is for said elections. There’s a few key points to bear in mind here.
First and foremost, is assuming the elections won’t be tampered with somehow, some way.
Also, part of their strategy with ICE is to remove people who traditionally vote democrat. They’re so sure that non-citizens are being allowed and encouraged to vote in blue states and cities that they firmly believe that they’re removing votes from democrats with every deportation.
It’s also their strategy to rile up their followers in those states. The administration blames the democrats for the immigration problem, and the mess they’re causing trying to fix it, in order to show their constituents they’re “doing something about it, because we have to. They made us do it.” Take the fight right to their back door. Get them all fired up because they support you, so that when ICE leaves, they know their voters will still be out there being cunts to everyone.
Go over to the ICE subreddit and check out how many people are complaining about their shitty health insurance or even not getting paid on time. I’m not saying that they’re not a genuine threat, but ICE’s efforts at scaling up have been harder than they’ve been letting on. And that’s to say nothing of the quality of recruits they’re attracting.
But they privated it. Why it took them as long as it did to close it, I dunno...
Not exactly budding scientists in their ranks... They did give up a lot of juicy details prior to realizing it was dumb to have the subreddit open. Place is a pity party, any time you hear about allegations of them having pay/morale/etc issues with their job, its usually referencing them moping there.
The lack of competency and the open corruption that's involved likely means they'll not be able to do much better than they are now. There's plenty of people willing to cheer it on, but fewer and fewer are interested in being a part of it. They're letting street gang members join up, which should tell you a lot.
This would be ideal, but a lot of fascist regimes largely operate on this level of dysfunction for a long, long time.
The Nazis often governed like a competing cluster of fiefdoms, or a Polycracy, improvising under Hitler’s charisma rather than running as a clean, modern administrative machine.
A big motive for why there became a pretty heavy push for raiding things like Jewish businesses and stealing valuables from people they put into concentration camps.
A shitty ad hoc way to buy loyalty and offset failure of the regime's promises and being over worked.
Optimistically though, Trump seems to lack the support and this level of dysfunction is much less tolerated in America, with MAGA people some of the most entitled people around. So I can only hope their dysfunction collapses things from the inside
Although I don't have proof of them letting gang members join, there was an article where a writer signed up, missed every email deadline and test and still got a start date.
They have a bunch of standards to meet before hiring and they're ignoring them all.
Pfft you mean they have to wait another year to take the 6k post tax "bonus" that they have to pay back as 10k if they somehow find themselves not still work there for the next 4 years.
Funding goes to nepo buddies & crypto iNvEsTmEnT rugpulls or y'know. (Reference: the "multiple good charities" that chumps totally gonna give the stolen money from, what from the other day
The turd reich filling the borehole flood zone with shit has finally become a blur
Yeah the slopass fascist speedrun is only ripping along so fast because they're trying to outpace that big beautiful day when the turd reich clots off.
They don't have the numbers or the authority to actually control the rest of us. If they gave a gun to literally every single chump voter, they'd still be outnumbered more than two to one.
So the only thing left is the slap dash snatch at the stolen snap cash, this fascism after all is just corporatism at it's final apex of late stage capitalism.
A few interesting points that have come out recently:
Agents aren't receiving paychecks for long stretches, budgets are being mismanaged and money is disappearing. People are increasingly skeptical of that $50K bonus.
Internal morale is extremely low, there was a story about an HR rep fainting on the job. Veteran agents hate the new recruits and think they're idiots. Public disdain is taking a toll.
Recruiting is so bad they've had to scale down reading and writing tests. Physical tests no longer have situps.
A journalist applied for a position, ignored all interviews, never filled out a background check, and was hired. He was just sent the field office to report to.
Its kinda similar to what happened with Russia in Ukraine. Fascism breeds incompetence and corruption. You can have more money than god, but it can be stolen and mismanaged.
> A journalist applied for a position, ignored all interviews, never filled out a background check, and was hired. He was just sent the field office to report to.
the journalist was Laura Jedeed and she uses she/her pronouns, just fyi.
Mark my words. When enough shit has hit the fan to the point it stops working completely, this administration will take that huge budget, pocket most of it and dip.
We BETTER get somebody in office somewhere with enough sense to secure the entire database of ICE employees. Every single one of them needs to be going on trial in Nuremberg 2.0 alongside their bosses and billionaires.
Geez americans… I’d hope that all immigrants could just somehow (go with my fantasy) abbandon the US and return to their “place of origin” and see how the freaking rednecks behave, grab some popcorn and relax; we could build a wall around them and have safaris to witness the downfall of human society.
They are definitely ramping up in Pgh. Tons of sightings this past week. Not sure why, barely any high immigrant population here. Simply retaliation for being a “sanctuary city.”
ICE and the republican party are anti-american terrorist organizations. I'm terrified for my safety, if I just drive down the wrong road where they just happen to be they could easily kill my fiancée and I
They have expanded for years and years, over several presidencies, but no comparison in growth rate mentioned in the article and as usual nobody reads it
ZWash300 | a day ago
They have an ungodly amount of funding, are operating in secrecy, and violating the constitution on a daily basis. It’s a recipe for disaster
frotc914 | a day ago
https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/10/politics/judges-contempt-justice-department-minnesota
> “The extent of ICE’s noncompliance is almost certainly substantially understated,” Judge Patrick Schiltz recently wrote in a scornful order that included a list of 74 cases in which his colleagues on the bench had found violations. “ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.”
glmory | 17 hours ago
Well, at least that will make the prosecutions easier.
Chippopotanuse | 8 hours ago
If Judge Schlitz isn’t sending thousands of ICE agents to jail for contempt of court he needs to point thumbs not fingers.
These judges aren’t reporters who are there to document abuse.
They are a crucial check and balance on executive branch.
Talentagentfriend | a day ago
it’s literally forming an unchecked army that will probably become a terror group when there is a new administration.
RNGezzus | 23 hours ago
They were a terror group before this administration. Remember the Proud Boys? They all need to go to prison again.
NOLA-Bronco | a day ago
AND
You are creating an economic dependency system that historically is incredibly hard to roll back.
A very under talked about component of fascism/authoritarian creep is the economic path dependencies that get created and become nearly impossible to roll back.
Cause lets game it out, you build dozens of concentration camps that employ thousands across the country, tens of thousands of ICE agents, thousands of Administrative staff, tech company contracts to build the digital infrastructure of the police state, arms contracts to supply weapons, rental cars for ICE agents, which then generate secondary economic activity(food delivery, medical care, procurement services, rentals, laundering, unrelated economic activity created by those salaries).
Suddenly "Abolish ICE" is a threat to a local economy and tens of thousands of voters jobs. And you have billion dollar industries flooding politicians coffers to not harm their economic interests.
But the thing is this activity also has a tendency to crowd out private market economic activity so if economic activity slows you are incentivized to further grow the police state both to quell dissent and anger but also as a jobs and stimulus program. Which plays right into the narrative of always needing to find internal and external enemies to blame problems on.
dphoenix1 | a day ago
Idk man. I’m ready to use the same attitude they did with the actions of doge. As a VA resident, I am well aware what their activities have done to the economy and jobs in the capital region, and there was absolutely zero thought put toward softening the economic or operational blow the job cuts would do to the region or the country. We’re already seeing the knock-on effects to weather forecasts due to what they did with NOAA for instance.
So yeah. Fuck it, too bad, deal with it. Things will recover. It is a deeply horrific organization that needs to be seriously curtailed. I’m over trying to make sure nobody gets in any way harmed by some action of the state. This is the learned helplessness we seem to be paralyzed by on the left and is one reason why we can’t ever seem to get anything done. To pull out an old cliche, you want to make an omelet, you’re gonna have to break some eggs.
LurksTongueinAspic | a day ago
I’m a social work intern at the VA now, and I get whiplash from the dumb shit orders that are suddenly pulled back because they aren’t grounded in reality. For example, any vet here that’s from out of state had to pay out of pocket to get back home. I think I heard about it on a Monday, and a week later the team was told not to worry about it.
am_i_wrong_dude | a day ago
It’s not even just losing the job at ICE. Say we all succeed in shutting down the American secret political police/paramilitary. Would you ever hire someone who had ICE in their work history? I wouldn’t ever. If that came out about someone in this blue state targeted by ICE they would be fired in an instant. Would you be friends with or date someone who had an ICE history? The soon to be former employees of ICE are likely going to regret the short term paycheck (assuming Trump actually pays them… lol) they exchanged for social and employment shunning the rest of their lives.
STFUandLOVE | a day ago
I’m failing to see the problem.
am_i_wrong_dude | a day ago
Same, but will be a lot of unemployed and angry men, sort of the problem already for people looking for violent / hateful “solutions” like MAGA.
horseradishstalker | 20 hours ago
Unemployed, but with a $50,000 bonus which is doing better than most unemployed people.
am_i_wrong_dude | 19 hours ago
Trumps don’t pay their debts, and the trains don’t really run on time in fascist dictatorships. I highly doubt the whole recently hired cohort will see the bonus. Not that I’m crying for them.
ribosometronome | 14 hours ago
Trump isn’t paying for it. Americans are. The funding is already approved. That was the Big Beautiful Bill.
Ser_Munchies | 10 hours ago
There's so many conditions to the bonus that I would surprised if even half of these useful idiots get even half of the bonus they were promised.
Lucialucianna | 14 hours ago
They don’t get it lump sum, only get 10k each year over 5 years which have to be repaid if quit before 5 years.
netpoints | 9 hours ago
There's another clause. They also have to meet their quota which is actually impossible Iirc the quota is 8 arrests a day. If they miss quota once they are ineligible for the bonus. It's a scam.
paigeguy | 8 hours ago
Man, I always hated Piece Work, particularly when its people's lives.
RNGezzus | 23 hours ago
They all belong in prison. Problem solved.
manimal28 | 20 hours ago
> Idk man. I’m ready to use the same attitude they did with the actions of doge
ICE is the fraud waste and abuse they claimed they were looking for.
Arael15th | 8 hours ago
You aren't wrong, but there's a difference between pulling the rug out from under a medical system and pulling the rug out from under an army of thugs with long arms and a massively bad attitude.
Sorry_Pea3699 | a day ago
Well, DOGE laid off 300,000 people suddenly, we can do it again with ICE employees
glity | 13 hours ago
I think this is exactly what they want. Mass layoffs of everyone they don’t care who pulls the trigger.
CatLord8 | a day ago
Mr.Mackey joining ICE because he got fired and there’s no jobs otherwise.
youvebeengreggd | a day ago
I would happily burn every single local economy that sucks ICE dick including my own.
It would be like getting rid of a cancer . Fuck the fallout it’s worth it.
I_Hate_This_Website9 | a day ago
Damn, I didn't even think of this. Do you have any resources to learn more?
DevelopedDevelopment | a day ago
The agents are complaining about being paid. I don't know how sustainable an ICE economy would be. But you're right, if they solidify it as an economy people can rely on for safety, they'll become entrenched.
Lucialucianna | 14 hours ago
And they will be in our faces every day forever
Kiowa_Jones | a day ago
"Abolish" is too kind
RNGezzus | 23 hours ago
This is bullshit
CappetoteppaC | a day ago
This! 100%
Leege13 | 23 hours ago
There’s an argument to be made that people who do this for a living don’t deserve to pay their bills.
powercow | 22 hours ago
and the people joined with promise of a 50k bonus.. that kicks in after 5 years. expect that to be brought up if we have a dem president and he tries to reduce ice funding.
glity | 13 hours ago
That was probably the agreement with dem leadership(rich people). We get to do this but you can claw back their “bonus” to hurt them. Keep the people happy with the social media feed addictions throw in some retribution talk about how ice agents won’t get bonuses and no one notices how our government and laws only function against the new poor group all of us. They no longer protect anyone only serve the wealthy.(>50 million is wealthy according to politicians and power brokers anything less is a number to be played with)
motiontosuppress | 16 hours ago
I think sometimes it’s just racism. No more scheming than that.
MarrusAstarte | a day ago
> It’s a recipe for disaster
It's a recipe for permanent one-party rule.
HotTrade4903 | a day ago
And are purchasing warehouses to turn into prisons. 😳
powercow | 22 hours ago
wait until nov, they are definitely going to be deployed enmass to polling stations. Bannon says trump should send military. and now that nationwide injuctions are no longer a thing, expect a lot in the south where the 5th and 4th rule.
ill_be_huckleberry_1 | 19 hours ago
Just took a man and his son in mn by gunpoint then tried to intimidate the 12 year old son into giving up his mother and siblings.
Brave little boy wouldnt said no.
soaero | a day ago
Nothing like spreading secret police across a nation as we near an election that looks to be terrible for the dominant party.
I hope we can all see where this is going.
GabbaaGhoul | a day ago
It's the camps they're building that's keeping me up at night. How is this real life?
looselyhuman | a day ago
I remember when Republicans were terrified of FEMA camps. Idk how they can live with their hypocrisy. It's just so blatant.
GabbaaGhoul | a day ago
lol. I had just moved to Texas when the whole Jade Helm business kicked off. I hadn't lived in the U.S. for close to a decade so I was pretty surprised to learn that a significant number of my neighbors were very vulnerable to such ridiculous conspiracy theories.
mercury_pointer | a day ago
>how they can live with their hypocrisy
They think objective reality and logical consistency are for loser nerds. Winners declare what's true and force everyone else to play along.
>I remember when Republicans were terrified of FEMA camps
Every accusation a confession.
looselyhuman | 22 hours ago
>They think objective reality and logical consistency are for loser nerds.
Postmodernism is the root of all evils I swear. Not just on the right, unfortunately.
PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS | a day ago
How can they live? Brother, hypocrisy is like air for them. It's the only way they know how to live
Peterd90 | a day ago
Republicans are traitors and should be treated as such. Good to see they are funally pushing back against maga trash.
PricePuzzleheaded835 | a day ago
It’s always a projection with them. They feared camps bc it’s what they would do to political opponents. Also, I think they knew at some level that their insane bullshit attacking people’s rights has more than earned a forceful response (I am not advocating for anything breaking reddit rules). People whose loved ones have been terrorized, whose wives or daughters have been sickened or killed because it’s now illegal for them to get basic healthcare… you name it. At some level they are aware of how deplorable they are
Darkone06 | a day ago
I tried confronting Alex Jones about this one time when he was at the Muller Investigation protest in Austin. I'm like look pulled out my phone your FEMA camp documentary is still up on Amazon Prime, how are you supporting this?
You know better than this ...
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1566925/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
Ok_Yellow1536 | a day ago
It’s always projection.
soaero | a day ago
I remember being a kid and wondering "If the Nazis were so bad, why didn't people just them?"
Watching people stand by as ICE illegally invades peoples homes and then drags them into unmarked vans, I'm starting to understand.
pysouth | a day ago
Not just stand by… many people are actively cheering them on
drifters74 | a day ago
Until it happens to them
n3rv | a day ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
HippieLizLemon | a day ago
I have a core memory staring at a puzzle who's answer was "History Repeats Itself" and thinking well at least not that. And here we are. It is happening. Do I need a secret trap door for myself or my neighbor?
Corynthios | a day ago
Anne Frank never had to deal with LiDAR
GabbaaGhoul | a day ago
The holocaust has always been a special interest of mine and it took me an embarrassingly long time to understand that most of the people who facilitated that genocide weren't hardcore Nazis. Most of them were just apathetic, misinformed, ignorant, selfish or some combination thereof.
We're in a similar sort of situation now where I don't believe that most Americans support fascism in our country. But a lot of them can't be arsed to do anything about it or, at the very least, pay attention and keep themselves informed by legitimate sources.
It's terrifying to watch.
soaero | a day ago
I think you're right. They don't support it, but they don't want to stand up to it. There's a strange passivity in America that I don't really understand. Like, Canadians are out there burning cop cars and borderline rioting when their hockey teams loses. ICE said it was coming to the Olympics, and Milan broke out in riots. Nepal chased their leaders into the street and threw rocks at them because they were going to ban social media. But in the US, secret police are grabbing people off the street and everyone is standing by like they're waiting for something to change.
retropieproblems | a day ago
The people actually trying to fight the power are being murdered without consequence by the feds…
Americans are justifiably afraid of their govt more than the French or Canadians.
bluelily216 | a day ago
I've been protesting my entire adult life. It wasn't until Trump's first term that I feared for my safety, and it wasn't until his second term that I feared for my life.
Choano | a day ago
>Americans are justifiably afraid of their govt more than the French or Canadians.
Yup.
If you do stuff to directly impede ICE, it won't be effective. ICE will still get the person they were out for, but, now, they'll get you, too. You will have thrown away your life for nothing.
Not to mention that you might precipitate martial law country-wide. No-one wants that.
As terrible as things are, we still have something to lose. We all know that.
soaero | a day ago
See, that is exactly what I'm talking about.
ICE brings out 10-12 people, and they do what they want among crowds of 50+. There's literally nothing any of them could do if the crowds were willing to stand against them. However, Americans are scared of standing up to people. Maybe the Canadians and Italians aren't dealing with the kinds of resistance the US is, but the Nepalese did. The Philipinos did. The Sudanese did.
Americans get walked all over by ICE and the police in general, because they're not willing to stand up to them. When they finally do, ICE will cease to exist.
Edit: And to further support that last point: morale in ICE is already low. They don't like what they're doing, they don't like being the bad guys, they're feeling ripped off. If ICE was scared to do their jobs, they'd crumble like a house of cards.
Choano | 23 hours ago
>[M]orale in ICE is already low. They don't like what they're doing, they don't like being the bad guys, they're feeling ripped off. If ICE was scared to do their jobs, they'd crumble like a house of cards.
Oh, yes! You know SO much better what we should do!
Our entire population is clearly so despicably weak, addle-brained, complacent, and cowardly that the simple response of fighting back hadn't occurred to any of us.
Obviously, we need someone with your deep understanding of our situation to guide us. Your vision, uncluttered by the practical facts of being here, could lead us out of this present darkness.
I beg you to come to our troubled shores and lob the first Molotov cocktail yourself. See what happens.
I'm sure that, with a rag-tag group of freedom fighters, you'd have ICE demolished by the end of this week!
(/s, for anyone who's confused about that.)
soaero | 23 hours ago
> Oh, yes! You know SO much better what we should do!
Than you? Yes. I have no patience for people who excuse inaction as propriety.
Fortunately the US does have people who are willing to act. Unfortunately, they're outnumbered by people who do nothing, driven on by cowards who tell them they're right to do so.
Choano | a day ago
Different circumstances lead to different responses.
In general, it's lazy to try to explain the actions of a whole group of people by labeling those people with a negative personality trait. It doesn't make a lot sense, either, given the variation in personalities among people in any nation.
If Americans are acting in ways that look cowardly to you, there are structural reasons for those "cowardly" actions. You probably just don't see or understand those reasons.
In our (the US's) case, the lack of efficacy, the threat of personal harm (while accomplishing nothing), and the threat of martial law are why we're not doing things like throwing Molotov cocktails.
From what I understand, in the examples you mentioned, people had a good chance of winning and little to lose if they lost. That's very different from the situation the US population is in
soaero | 23 hours ago
> In general, it's lazy to try to explain the actions of a whole group of people by labeling those people with a negative personality trait. It doesn't make a lot sense, either, given the variation in personalities among people in any nation.
No, I am characterizing a large group by the behavior they exhibit.
Other nations now how to keep their government in check. Or when they fail to do this, are at least willing to stand up to it. The USA has absolutely failed at this.
> From what I understand, in the examples you mentioned, people had a good chance of winning and little to lose if they lost. That's very different from the situation the US population is in
You really think that the situation us citizens are in is more dire than those under Duterte? al-Bashir? Really? I mean, I know US exceptionalism is a common thing among our populace, but this is just fucking ridiculous.
Garraan | a day ago
This person literally just explained why to you. We’ve watched people just legally watching them get murdered and what has happened? No justice, no accountability. Nobody wants to take a stand when they know it’s not going to do anything.
soaero | 23 hours ago
Oh sorry, I forgot that no one ever died in any other revolution in history. Pack it up boys, they're killing people. Nothing we can do.
> No justice, no accountability. Nobody wants to take a stand when they know it’s not going to do anything.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
Edit: I remember Robert Evans tells this story about being in Ukraine while the Russian military police were cracking down on protest, he meets these two Ukrainian computer programmers who keep going out to the front lines, and then come back every evening. He asks them how they do it, and they tell him "It's not that hard. They're all outfitted in this big heavy armor, so you just grab them and lift."
I wish Americans had one tenth of the resolve of the Ukrainians.
CarpeNivem | 19 hours ago
>if the crowds were willing to stand against them
The exact people who have been claiming for ages that we have an amendment for exactly this sort of thing, simply aren't doing what they promised they would right now.
bluelily216 | a day ago
Americans don't have to ask themselves whether or not they're willing to protest, we have to ask ourselves whether or not we're willing to lose our lives. That's the difference.
If a cop in France or Italy or Canada kills a protester, they will rightly face the full force of that country's judicial system.
In the US, if an ICE agent kills someone, they get transferred to a different location and hundreds of thousands of dollars raised on their behalf.
I'd argue that protesting in today's America is more akin to that of Iran or Saudi Arabia than Canada or Italy.
soaero | 23 hours ago
Oh, I forgot, no one ever died under any other authoritarian government in the world.
> If a cop in France or Italy or Canada kills a protester, they will rightly face the full force of that country's judicial system.
If you know this little about the situation in France, Italy, or Canada you should stop commenting.
bluelily216 | 6 hours ago
I'm not saying they haven't. I'm saying this is a new concept for most Americans. I wasn't alive when Kent State happened, and I was a small kid when Rodney King was almost beaten to death. I've read about protesters being killed, but it's never been something I've had to worry about before. It's extremely easy to tell yourself you'd be at the front lines and willing to lose your life, but that's not how it works. Call it cowardly and that's fine, because it is.
soaero | 5 hours ago
And you think that's unique to America? Like, do you think people of Nepal were all born into violence? Do you think the Sudanese were fighting their whole lives? Do you think the Ukrainians were well versed in death?
bluelily216 | a day ago
Apathy has killed this nation. If Nonvoter were a candidate, they would have won by 9.1 million votes.
Choano | a day ago
>Watching people stand by as ICE illegally invades peoples homes and then drags them into unmarked vans, I'm starting to understand.
A lot of people "just watching" are protesting in the ways that aren't counterproductive. Doing stuff like lying down in the street, throwing smoke bombs, etc. wouldn't stop ICE from still getting they people they'd targeted. Those people would still have their lives ruined. The only difference is that you'd have your life ruined, too.
There's not much constructive protest people can do besides marching (which we have a lot of these days. That's nice to see, but the government doesn't really care), writing to their representatives (which isn't very useful in many cases, either because they're not going to listen or are already on your side) , or donating money to various efforts.
soaero | 23 hours ago
> A lot of people "just watching" are protesting in the ways that aren't counterproductive.
Really? Because I watched Nepal drive their leaders out of the country and install a new government in a couple of months. Meanwhile ICE is shooting people in the streets and building concentration camps, and you are talking about how what you're doing isn't counterproductive.
hippydipster | a day ago
>as ICE illegally invades peoples homes
It's not like you know, standing there, what's illegal and what isn't. If you just assume everything ICE does is illegal, you could very easily find yourself on the wrong side of your particular case.
Doomscrolleer99 | a day ago
They all have incinerators.
prof_wafflez | a day ago
Going to need a source on that one, friend.
GabbaaGhoul | a day ago
Here's a link to the contract..
prof_wafflez | a day ago
Considering the information available on that page, I don't see how this backs up any claim that the original poster appeared to be leaning toward. The claim of insidious incinerators have so far been debunked, so let's not stoop to the current R low of conspiracy theories and lying.
Doomscrolleer99 | a day ago
Topf & Söhne and H. Kori will supply them.
starlulz | 20 hours ago
CHANT ALONG!!! GET ARMED 👏👏 GET ARMED 👏👏 GET ARMED 👏👏 GET ARMED 👏👏
TerraCetacea | 11 hours ago
At this point I’d be happy with another R president who just wants to raise prices instead of killing or imprisoning Americans.
Sharticus123 | a day ago
Camps with incinerators for “biohazard material.”
problyurdad_ | 17 hours ago
Let’s wait and see precisely what their plan is for said elections. There’s a few key points to bear in mind here.
First and foremost, is assuming the elections won’t be tampered with somehow, some way.
Also, part of their strategy with ICE is to remove people who traditionally vote democrat. They’re so sure that non-citizens are being allowed and encouraged to vote in blue states and cities that they firmly believe that they’re removing votes from democrats with every deportation.
It’s also their strategy to rile up their followers in those states. The administration blames the democrats for the immigration problem, and the mess they’re causing trying to fix it, in order to show their constituents they’re “doing something about it, because we have to. They made us do it.” Take the fight right to their back door. Get them all fired up because they support you, so that when ICE leaves, they know their voters will still be out there being cunts to everyone.
SpleenBender | a day ago
They need to go to hell and stay there.
Doomboy911 | a day ago
Not enough poc
wilkinsk | a day ago
It's expanding and also has trouble filling the ranks (allegedly), hopefully it cracks at the seems.
misspcv1996 | a day ago
Go over to the ICE subreddit and check out how many people are complaining about their shitty health insurance or even not getting paid on time. I’m not saying that they’re not a genuine threat, but ICE’s efforts at scaling up have been harder than they’ve been letting on. And that’s to say nothing of the quality of recruits they’re attracting.
HotTrade4903 | a day ago
What ice subreddit?
smellyjerk | 18 hours ago
r/ICE_ERO
But they privated it. Why it took them as long as it did to close it, I dunno...
Not exactly budding scientists in their ranks... They did give up a lot of juicy details prior to realizing it was dumb to have the subreddit open. Place is a pity party, any time you hear about allegations of them having pay/morale/etc issues with their job, its usually referencing them moping there.
tenth | a day ago
I think that will all get fixed with their next funding round, no?
Only_Jury_8448 | a day ago
The lack of competency and the open corruption that's involved likely means they'll not be able to do much better than they are now. There's plenty of people willing to cheer it on, but fewer and fewer are interested in being a part of it. They're letting street gang members join up, which should tell you a lot.
NOLA-Bronco | a day ago
This would be ideal, but a lot of fascist regimes largely operate on this level of dysfunction for a long, long time.
The Nazis often governed like a competing cluster of fiefdoms, or a Polycracy, improvising under Hitler’s charisma rather than running as a clean, modern administrative machine.
A big motive for why there became a pretty heavy push for raiding things like Jewish businesses and stealing valuables from people they put into concentration camps.
A shitty ad hoc way to buy loyalty and offset failure of the regime's promises and being over worked.
Optimistically though, Trump seems to lack the support and this level of dysfunction is much less tolerated in America, with MAGA people some of the most entitled people around. So I can only hope their dysfunction collapses things from the inside
wilkinsk | a day ago
Hopefully it does crumble 🤞
Who fucking knows
And Schumer crew said they wouldn't vote for funding... and then voted for an extension of the deadline instead.
Dude needs to get voted out.
I thought you needed 2/3rds to pass bills of this nature, but it looks like I might be wrong.
eetsumkaus | a day ago
>They're letting street gang members join up, which should tell you a lot.
Do you have more reading on that?
wilkinsk | a day ago
(not who you're replying to)
Although I don't have proof of them letting gang members join, there was an article where a writer signed up, missed every email deadline and test and still got a start date.
They have a bunch of standards to meet before hiring and they're ignoring them all.
cheerful_cynic | a day ago
Pfft you mean they have to wait another year to take the 6k post tax "bonus" that they have to pay back as 10k if they somehow find themselves not still work there for the next 4 years.
Funding goes to nepo buddies & crypto iNvEsTmEnT rugpulls or y'know. (Reference: the "multiple good charities" that chumps totally gonna give the stolen money from, what from the other day
The turd reich filling the borehole flood zone with shit has finally become a blur
TheGreatOni1200 | a day ago
Corruption higher up making operations harder and morale low. Color me shocked.
cheerful_cynic | a day ago
Yeah the slopass fascist speedrun is only ripping along so fast because they're trying to outpace that big beautiful day when the turd reich clots off.
They don't have the numbers or the authority to actually control the rest of us. If they gave a gun to literally every single chump voter, they'd still be outnumbered more than two to one.
So the only thing left is the slap dash snatch at the stolen snap cash, this fascism after all is just corporatism at it's final apex of late stage capitalism.
Ziggysan | a day ago
Turd Reich is Chef's kiss
RevengeWalrus | a day ago
A few interesting points that have come out recently:
Agents aren't receiving paychecks for long stretches, budgets are being mismanaged and money is disappearing. People are increasingly skeptical of that $50K bonus.
Internal morale is extremely low, there was a story about an HR rep fainting on the job. Veteran agents hate the new recruits and think they're idiots. Public disdain is taking a toll.
Recruiting is so bad they've had to scale down reading and writing tests. Physical tests no longer have situps.
A journalist applied for a position, ignored all interviews, never filled out a background check, and was hired. He was just sent the field office to report to.
Its kinda similar to what happened with Russia in Ukraine. Fascism breeds incompetence and corruption. You can have more money than god, but it can be stolen and mismanaged.
roastedoolong | 22 hours ago
> A journalist applied for a position, ignored all interviews, never filled out a background check, and was hired. He was just sent the field office to report to.
the journalist was Laura Jedeed and she uses she/her pronouns, just fyi.
RevengeWalrus | 22 hours ago
Whoops, I misremembered. Thanks for the heads up!
wallysmith127 | 20 hours ago
Really interesting points, was this in the article or another source? I couldn't access the Wired link
RevengeWalrus | 10 hours ago
This is just several I've read over the last month or so. I'd find and share them but I'm tired
Abject-Shift5103 | a day ago
bruh sounds like a total mess. yo'ud think they'd have their act together but nope, just chaos and bad hiring choices...
Choano | a day ago
Paywall-free version of the article: https://archive.ph/BQfRW
For more info on recent warehouse purchases (and attempted purchases), see this post at r/Keep_Track
TJames6210 | a day ago
Mark my words. When enough shit has hit the fan to the point it stops working completely, this administration will take that huge budget, pocket most of it and dip.
TherronKeen | a day ago
We BETTER get somebody in office somewhere with enough sense to secure the entire database of ICE employees. Every single one of them needs to be going on trial in Nuremberg 2.0 alongside their bosses and billionaires.
[Deleted] | a day ago
Yeah it usually works out pretty well when an armed force spreads itself out and tries to occupy a giant hostile piece of land indefinitely.
Nastane | a day ago
Geez americans… I’d hope that all immigrants could just somehow (go with my fantasy) abbandon the US and return to their “place of origin” and see how the freaking rednecks behave, grab some popcorn and relax; we could build a wall around them and have safaris to witness the downfall of human society.
Odd_Trifle6698 | a day ago
They are opening up small offices all over Minnesota.
eetsumkaus | a day ago
Isn't GSA one of the agencies DOGE gutted the hardest?
Apopletic_Disbelief | a day ago
Guess they can't wait to break necks huh
neovox | 23 hours ago
Where all those states rights Republicans now?
twistedevil | 19 hours ago
They are definitely ramping up in Pgh. Tons of sightings this past week. Not sure why, barely any high immigrant population here. Simply retaliation for being a “sanctuary city.”
amorfotos | 15 hours ago
> ICE Is Expanding Across the US at Breakneck Speed.
Winter is coming. Or is this the new Ice age?
Ok_Sentence_5767 | 12 hours ago
ICE and the republican party are anti-american terrorist organizations. I'm terrified for my safety, if I just drive down the wrong road where they just happen to be they could easily kill my fiancée and I
Euphoric_Anxiety_162 | 7 hours ago
Expecting major human rights violations, esp against voters seen as threats to reps. Insane.
interesteddude1 | 23 hours ago
Expanding? Hate to tell you: ICE is in every major city in America right now
Rampaging_Bunny | 22 hours ago
They have expanded for years and years, over several presidencies, but no comparison in growth rate mentioned in the article and as usual nobody reads it
Krypto_Kane | 7 hours ago
How about the border. Texas has millions of undocumented people. Why not Texas?
Conscious_Stick8344 | a day ago
Thanks!! Great article.
SignalBed9998 | a day ago
They have a budget bigger than the Canadian military budget
Yowiman | a day ago
They better hurry. The Pedophile they are protecting is getting exposed
justagigilo123 | a day ago
I hear Lake Erie is full.