add in it was OPEX day + the "crash" of oil prices let a whole bunch of oil shorts contracts be closed out. The price of oil futures is detached from the reality of global supply at this point and entirely manipulated by the USA
Part market manipulation, also part Trump just spewing anything that he hears hoping people will take it as good news. Sprinkle in a little spin, dementia, yes men, ignorance, etc..
I was reading he's talking directly to the Pakistani organizers. Let's say they call Trump and say "Hello sir, yes everything is going great, next hour we will be talking about opening the strait". Trump then turns around to the closest camera or reporter and says "Everything is going great, they're re-opening the strait in the next hour!".
I don't even think there is a process in his brain that says "how I can I spin this to sound better"? His ears spin it even before it hits his brain. He hears it as "they're re-opening the strait".
At what point are companies actually affected enough from what is happening in reality for the stock market to no longer be able to paper over it? This process only works if consequences never truly manifest.
I just want to understand what is actually real. Is closing the strait of Hurmuz doing incredible economic damage or is everything actually fine? I've been told the strait closed for this long would result in irreversible damage. All of these tariffs are bad for the economy. The stock market has a been largely unbothered. Is the market really optimistic and covering a terrible reality, or is reality different than conventional knowledge understands it to be.
I'm not looking for financial advice, I'm trying to understand how the world functions. I'm not using Reddit as a primary source. I consume a lot of information, and just want to understand things.
>By the time we retire, we should have a nice little nest egg.
Conceivably, what is going on right now is going to affect how big that nest egg actually is. You should be concerned about what is happening in the world. It would be good to have an understanding of what is good for the economy and what is bad. Is America acting like a bully doing incredible long term damage, or is it basically fine and going to affect nothing? If it's going to do long term damage, it's in our best interest to be trying to stop it. If it's meaningless, what does actually matter to the economy.
I'm not sure this is intentional. Iran had an agreement and the US welched and on it. They open the straight and the US remove the blockade. The latter never happened.
At this point we start to hold the investors accountable. Time to stop trading. My 401k is paused, me taking money right now to put in there makes me complicit with DJT and what he wants. He wants the market to be worked.. giving him that makes one a bootlicker. I’m calling it either mental illness or addiction if people can’t stop trading for a year. “It needs diagnosis not discussion”.
Yeah that’s something I’d never invest in personally. All it says imo is that you want war so you’ll make money on this. Investing is a moral take and those who don’t think so are the bootlickers. In the 1960s and 2015 it may have been about getting rich… now it’s about compliance with the admin. Times have changed!
I see no problem investing in European defense stocks, because they have a legitimate need to increase their self defense spending. SAAB in particular is doing gangbusters over the last few years.
Investing in a defense stock just means you’re wanting wars so that the investment becomes justifiable. No defense company at all anywhere should be publicly traded.
Eh, one of the timeless lessons of history is that those who want peace are prepared for war. The reason that Russia is in Ukraine right now is because Europe let their defense go to shit in the 90s and decades of cajoling from US presidents couldn't move them to properly defend themselves. If Europe had even just a significant proportion of what they had toward the end of the 80s, Russia would never have dared enter Crimea in 2014, and would have thought very long and hard about even going into Georgia in 2008. Putin took those calculated risks because European defense spending told him that not only would Europe not be able to muster a strong response immediately and would require significant time to even prepare to help Russia's eastern European targets, but more importantly, that Europe had zero desire to do so. Russia's only fear was American intervention, but Putin also correctly calculated that most Americans would not be keen to intervene in European conflict if even Europeans weren't keen.
Time and again the lesson of history is that if one power invests in defense and another doesn't, that's when wars happen. Europe rebuilding its defense industry is one of the main pillars of maintaining global stability in the 2030s; without that, autocrats around the world will have that much more free reign to run roughshod on liberal democracies that would prefer to live in peace all else being equal.
They’re in the line of fire. It’s about not letting the current admin and CEOs get their way. Hurt the wallets. The 1% makes it a left vs right issue but it’s really a class issue and the root of the issue is allowing the 1% to accrue more money from the market.
I would (jokingly) bet half my portfolio you absolutely won’t.
Also, in all seriousness, do not withdraw from your 401k if you are under 59.5 years of age. You will incur significant penalties and really hurt yourself financially.
I’m not going to let the financial security of my retirement be held hostage by the government’s ethics. Fuck that. Pausing your 401k is silly. You aren’t changing a damn thing by doing so.
I doubt it. Who would Iran be coordinating with and how does it benefit them? The US stock markets are more or less at all time highs despite the Hormuz being closed and opened and closed and opened...
Their strategy of driving down the markets or causing economic damage to the US isn't doing much. The markets don't seem to care that much.
Iran just doesn't have a coherent strategy, because there's no one who is clearly in control and the competing factions have different interests. Also, those competing factions are desperate because their strategy to economically pressure the US isn't working very well and it's pissing off the world.
In a statement carried by Iranian media, the Iranian military’s operational command, Khatam Al-Anbiya, described the ongoing US blockade as “piracy”, saying: “For this reason, control of the strait of Hormuz has reverted to its previous state, and this strategic waterway is under the strict management and control of the armed forces.
“Until the US restores the complete freedom of navigation for vessels from an Iranian origin to a destination, and from a destination back to Iran, the situation in the strait of Hormuz will remain strictly controlled and in its previous state.”
This adds to the confusion over the status of the key waterway that carried a fifth of global oil supplies before the war. Yesterday Iran and Donald Trump announced the strait had reopened to shipping, but the US president said the US blockade “will remain in full force” until Tehran reaches a deal with Washington, including over its nuclear programme.
Lmao Trump is trying to keep his critics from declaring this the ultimate win for Iran.
He thinks he can get Iran to open the strait, and then blockade the strait for Iranian ships. So he can say things are not better for Iran after this war than before it. As if they would ever allow that.
He is so scared of everyone realizing, wow, Iran won this war.
Will this person ever get called out on the clear manipulation of the citizens and the market?
...it boggles my mind that those of us scraping to get by does everything in their power to get the person who has used them every step of way, to get more power and cash....the whole time promising this that and everything else, only to never deliver....
How many back steps have we seen within this term alone? The same person half the USA is praising wouldn't even agree to be a sworn in with their hand in the Bible but keeps being displayed as this right out second coming.
Mathew warned us like fricken crazy....
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves".
Lying about all the good deeds he has done when we can clearly see the obvious.
"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect".
Don't think much needs said here. He lied as well just to get elected. Promised he would release the files and told you Kamala would be the one sending him to war, amongst other hot air.
Please please please wake up so we can start fixing this Trainwreck :(
Wasn’t there another $760m bet 20 minutes before Donnie’s lie-athon?
Strategically, he’s painted himself into a corner. Threatening to murder 90 million people has brought any US airstrikes into sharp focus and there would undoubtedly be a backlash.
Heads of military being fired/resigning could well be due to some friction caused by Hegseth’s gung-ho strategising.
Boots on the ground would lead to high American casualties which Trump would consider bad optics.
Also, further escalation on the US’s part would likely lead to the Houthis closing the Bab al Mandab strait which would further compound economic stress.
As long as the markets keep responding to Trumps ‘boy who cried wolf’ manipulation, he will continue to profit and drag this out. But the global economy will suffer.
The best outcome would be for the US to declare victory and fuck off home to a ticker-tape parade, while the grown ups negotiate a settlement to restore oil and trade flows. Likely at the cost of some US exclusionary measures.
Is it open or is it closed? It's both! It's impossible to know.
Come to think of it, we kind of have Schrodinger's President, a quantum probability set signing executive orders. Except you still can't figure out what is happening even if you check.
Good. I love watching globalization get punched in the mouth, keep it closed as long as possible. I hope it gets worse and creates a domino effect that ends ME energy exports. I hope more countries implement tolls that breakdown global trade as much as possible and end freedom of navigation. I hope that global industry fueled by slave wages and ecological exploitation crumbles and the whole thing falls apart.
Iran would be screwed if the US didn’t have all these allies. We have to tame our actions based on their economies. If it was just the US vs Iran, the US could just sit out in the ocean and bomb Iran with impunity for forever. They can’t reach mainland America. Our allies are our greatest strength and greatest weakness simultaneously.
We live in a global economy. It doesn't matter if America has allies in the middle east or not, it would still be vulnerable to the economic effects of the strait closing or Iran attacking the energy production of other gulf countries.
The United States is in the process of removing allies. It’s generally seen today as a bully; headed by an individual that encapsulates how the rest of the world sees the modern American: corrupt, privileged, petty, greedy, disgusting. The diapered pedophile is a perfect representation of the American stereotype.
If all it took was a phone call to China to have them not send weapons to Iran while you were president and in the same situation, you’d do it too. That’s literally all it took.
If I were president I wouldn't be in this situation, because I wouldn't have started an idiotic unwinnable war to distract from my relationship with Jeffery Epstein.
Ah gotchya. when he was talking about NaTo? It’s true, the European NATO countries are pathetic. All of their militaries are a total joke. Underfunded, no power projection capability, no stockpiles, man power shortages. Etc. other than France, the rest of the European militaries aren’t scaring anyone.
Edit: Sweden and Denmark are respectable too but only if you’re fighting within their territory.
The US has been silently building out a new supply chain for rare earths for the last year. Every day that goes by, the US is less dependent on China.
We did the same thing with middle eastern oil after the Arabs tried to weaponized energy in the 70s. Look what happened? We became the largest producer of oil on the planet.
China fucked up by playing its rare earth card too early. It gives the US time to create new supply chains before the war over Taiwan.
You know, Europe could have learned a thing or two from the US. Instead, you are all just waiting on the day the Ukraine war is over so you can go running right back to being dependent on Russia for energy.
It’s odd how you keep trying to make this about China while I was talking about Iran. Like I said, one phone call and China decided against sending weapons. If the US was so weak compared to China, you’d think China would help one of its anti west allies and huge supplier of oil. Why not? Since according to you, China holds all the cards?
China will provide weapons, or China wont provide weapons.
The US became a producer only because fracking became a thing.
I'm not making this about China, just using them as an exemple. You are the one pretending the US is all-powerful, yet you want to ignore what others can do.
: Looking at what Iran did under decades of sanctions against the US who was the hegemon, you really shouldnt be so quick to wish a "you vs them only" scenario.
You would need a state owned oil company for this fantasy to pan out… if the international price of oil goes up the average American is screwed and leaders lose their seats of power
ADT06 | 16 hours ago
….this is the same cycle of market manipulation.
Mid-week good news. Weekend bad news. Sell the shorts on Monday. Rinse and repeat.
I’d bet there was never any agreement to open the strait.
ishkoto | 15 hours ago
Iran should start attacking on mondays to fuck with them
cmack | 13 hours ago
already
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cqxdg17yr2wt?post=asset%3Afa22d51f-3615-450f-9422-c9577bf58f97
moonski | 14 hours ago
add in it was OPEX day + the "crash" of oil prices let a whole bunch of oil shorts contracts be closed out. The price of oil futures is detached from the reality of global supply at this point and entirely manipulated by the USA
Mrguy4771 | 12 hours ago
Part market manipulation, also part Trump just spewing anything that he hears hoping people will take it as good news. Sprinkle in a little spin, dementia, yes men, ignorance, etc..
I was reading he's talking directly to the Pakistani organizers. Let's say they call Trump and say "Hello sir, yes everything is going great, next hour we will be talking about opening the strait". Trump then turns around to the closest camera or reporter and says "Everything is going great, they're re-opening the strait in the next hour!".
I don't even think there is a process in his brain that says "how I can I spin this to sound better"? His ears spin it even before it hits his brain. He hears it as "they're re-opening the strait".
Describing_Donkeys | 14 hours ago
At what point are companies actually affected enough from what is happening in reality for the stock market to no longer be able to paper over it? This process only works if consequences never truly manifest.
Maleficent_While2653 | 13 hours ago
Looking at Tesla’s stock price over the years, apparently never.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 12 hours ago
If you believe this, then go ahead and short the market.
A short is a bet that stocks will go down. If you get it right, you can make a killing.
If you don’t think the market will ever go down, then go full in. You will have an infinite money machine.
Either way, complaining on Reddit means nothing.
My personal recommendation is to do what the rest of us do - set aside some money each paycheck and continually contribute to your retirement.
Describing_Donkeys | 11 hours ago
I just want to understand what is actually real. Is closing the strait of Hurmuz doing incredible economic damage or is everything actually fine? I've been told the strait closed for this long would result in irreversible damage. All of these tariffs are bad for the economy. The stock market has a been largely unbothered. Is the market really optimistic and covering a terrible reality, or is reality different than conventional knowledge understands it to be.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 11 hours ago
My honest advice?
Disregard everything you read on Reddit and ask a proper financial advisor.
From what I have learned, the best strategy is to consistently contribute whatever you can afford each month and forget it.
By the time we retire, we should have a nice little nest egg.
Start as soon as you can, also. It grows so much more that way.
Describing_Donkeys | 10 hours ago
I'm not looking for financial advice, I'm trying to understand how the world functions. I'm not using Reddit as a primary source. I consume a lot of information, and just want to understand things.
>By the time we retire, we should have a nice little nest egg.
Conceivably, what is going on right now is going to affect how big that nest egg actually is. You should be concerned about what is happening in the world. It would be good to have an understanding of what is good for the economy and what is bad. Is America acting like a bully doing incredible long term damage, or is it basically fine and going to affect nothing? If it's going to do long term damage, it's in our best interest to be trying to stop it. If it's meaningless, what does actually matter to the economy.
Thostbog | 14 hours ago
Dementia grandpa just makes up bullshit.
1Pac2Pac3Pac5 | 11 hours ago
Sounds to me like Iran is getting in on the market manipulation. They posted the straight open on Friday now this
Test-NetConnection | 9 hours ago
I'm not sure this is intentional. Iran had an agreement and the US welched and on it. They open the straight and the US remove the blockade. The latter never happened.
Samanthacino | 9 hours ago
The strait was open, until the US decided to blockade it. That’s solely on the US.
Packagedpackage | 15 hours ago
At this point we start to hold the investors accountable. Time to stop trading. My 401k is paused, me taking money right now to put in there makes me complicit with DJT and what he wants. He wants the market to be worked.. giving him that makes one a bootlicker. I’m calling it either mental illness or addiction if people can’t stop trading for a year. “It needs diagnosis not discussion”.
MrTsBlackVan | 13 hours ago
So money under the mattress until we have better financial stewardship?
storemans | 13 hours ago
well bc I have kids and a family I can't just pull my retirement. that's nice that you are rich enough to do that though.
Packagedpackage | 9 hours ago
I’m not wealthy or rich. I get $200ish a month for groceries for 3 people. Sometimes it hurts to do the right thing.
1-Dollar-Doge-Coins | 7 hours ago
Doing “the right thing” only matters if it makes a difference.
Apprehensive-Fun4181 | 14 hours ago
Time to stop trading.
Defense Stocks should be limited to to pre-approved transactions in times of war.
Atheios569 | 13 hours ago
Defense stocks, and any investment and/or profit making should not exist together. Ever.
Packagedpackage | 13 hours ago
Yeah that’s something I’d never invest in personally. All it says imo is that you want war so you’ll make money on this. Investing is a moral take and those who don’t think so are the bootlickers. In the 1960s and 2015 it may have been about getting rich… now it’s about compliance with the admin. Times have changed!
Hautamaki | 8 hours ago
I see no problem investing in European defense stocks, because they have a legitimate need to increase their self defense spending. SAAB in particular is doing gangbusters over the last few years.
Packagedpackage | 7 hours ago
Investing in a defense stock just means you’re wanting wars so that the investment becomes justifiable. No defense company at all anywhere should be publicly traded.
Hautamaki | 7 hours ago
Eh, one of the timeless lessons of history is that those who want peace are prepared for war. The reason that Russia is in Ukraine right now is because Europe let their defense go to shit in the 90s and decades of cajoling from US presidents couldn't move them to properly defend themselves. If Europe had even just a significant proportion of what they had toward the end of the 80s, Russia would never have dared enter Crimea in 2014, and would have thought very long and hard about even going into Georgia in 2008. Putin took those calculated risks because European defense spending told him that not only would Europe not be able to muster a strong response immediately and would require significant time to even prepare to help Russia's eastern European targets, but more importantly, that Europe had zero desire to do so. Russia's only fear was American intervention, but Putin also correctly calculated that most Americans would not be keen to intervene in European conflict if even Europeans weren't keen.
Time and again the lesson of history is that if one power invests in defense and another doesn't, that's when wars happen. Europe rebuilding its defense industry is one of the main pillars of maintaining global stability in the 2030s; without that, autocrats around the world will have that much more free reign to run roughshod on liberal democracies that would prefer to live in peace all else being equal.
Apprehensive-Fun4181 | 13 hours ago
Complete agreement on ownership. Ethics and oil don't mix, but the supplies are out of wack.
freeman_joe | 8 hours ago
You know ESG ETFs exist?
Packagedpackage | 8 hours ago
Still trading. Zero trading. Pretend the power went out.
freeman_joe | 8 hours ago
Why should legit companies be punished?
Packagedpackage | 7 hours ago
They’re in the line of fire. It’s about not letting the current admin and CEOs get their way. Hurt the wallets. The 1% makes it a left vs right issue but it’s really a class issue and the root of the issue is allowing the 1% to accrue more money from the market.
freeman_joe | 6 hours ago
I understand what you mean thank you for explaining but I don’t think it will work.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 12 hours ago
Go ahead and pull your entire 401k then.
I would (jokingly) bet half my portfolio you absolutely won’t.
Also, in all seriousness, do not withdraw from your 401k if you are under 59.5 years of age. You will incur significant penalties and really hurt yourself financially.
1-Dollar-Doge-Coins | 7 hours ago
I’m not going to let the financial security of my retirement be held hostage by the government’s ethics. Fuck that. Pausing your 401k is silly. You aren’t changing a damn thing by doing so.
Jest_out_for_a_Rip | 9 hours ago
I doubt it. Who would Iran be coordinating with and how does it benefit them? The US stock markets are more or less at all time highs despite the Hormuz being closed and opened and closed and opened...
Their strategy of driving down the markets or causing economic damage to the US isn't doing much. The markets don't seem to care that much.
Iran just doesn't have a coherent strategy, because there's no one who is clearly in control and the competing factions have different interests. Also, those competing factions are desperate because their strategy to economically pressure the US isn't working very well and it's pissing off the world.
[OP] Harold_fukuro | 16 hours ago
In a statement carried by Iranian media, the Iranian military’s operational command, Khatam Al-Anbiya, described the ongoing US blockade as “piracy”, saying: “For this reason, control of the strait of Hormuz has reverted to its previous state, and this strategic waterway is under the strict management and control of the armed forces.
“Until the US restores the complete freedom of navigation for vessels from an Iranian origin to a destination, and from a destination back to Iran, the situation in the strait of Hormuz will remain strictly controlled and in its previous state.”
This adds to the confusion over the status of the key waterway that carried a fifth of global oil supplies before the war. Yesterday Iran and Donald Trump announced the strait had reopened to shipping, but the US president said the US blockade “will remain in full force” until Tehran reaches a deal with Washington, including over its nuclear programme.
Y0___0Y | 11 hours ago
Lmao Trump is trying to keep his critics from declaring this the ultimate win for Iran.
He thinks he can get Iran to open the strait, and then blockade the strait for Iranian ships. So he can say things are not better for Iran after this war than before it. As if they would ever allow that.
He is so scared of everyone realizing, wow, Iran won this war.
cmack | 13 hours ago
It was never really opened. Just lying nazis republicans yet again. Anyone really shocked?
LiteratureMindless71 | 15 hours ago
Will this person ever get called out on the clear manipulation of the citizens and the market?
...it boggles my mind that those of us scraping to get by does everything in their power to get the person who has used them every step of way, to get more power and cash....the whole time promising this that and everything else, only to never deliver....
How many back steps have we seen within this term alone? The same person half the USA is praising wouldn't even agree to be a sworn in with their hand in the Bible but keeps being displayed as this right out second coming.
Mathew warned us like fricken crazy....
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves".
Lying about all the good deeds he has done when we can clearly see the obvious.
"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect".
Don't think much needs said here. He lied as well just to get elected. Promised he would release the files and told you Kamala would be the one sending him to war, amongst other hot air.
Please please please wake up so we can start fixing this Trainwreck :(
dskerman | 12 hours ago
He didn't even have to wear sheep's clothing. He convinced the sheep that they really needed a wolf in charge
pete_68 | 11 hours ago
Amazing isn't it? I mean, Trump supporters didn't even exist yet, and PT Barnum already had them figured out.
HyperbenCharities | 9 hours ago
How will Zionist Dems fix the Israel-directed Iran fiasco?
Israel uber alles. Samson option; global Hannibal directive; etc.
tripping_yarns | 15 hours ago
Wasn’t there another $760m bet 20 minutes before Donnie’s lie-athon?
Strategically, he’s painted himself into a corner. Threatening to murder 90 million people has brought any US airstrikes into sharp focus and there would undoubtedly be a backlash.
Heads of military being fired/resigning could well be due to some friction caused by Hegseth’s gung-ho strategising.
Boots on the ground would lead to high American casualties which Trump would consider bad optics.
Also, further escalation on the US’s part would likely lead to the Houthis closing the Bab al Mandab strait which would further compound economic stress.
As long as the markets keep responding to Trumps ‘boy who cried wolf’ manipulation, he will continue to profit and drag this out. But the global economy will suffer.
The best outcome would be for the US to declare victory and fuck off home to a ticker-tape parade, while the grown ups negotiate a settlement to restore oil and trade flows. Likely at the cost of some US exclusionary measures.
moonski | 14 hours ago
>Wasn’t there another $760m bet 20 minutes before Donnie’s lie-athon?
yep. And you'll also be amazed at the amount of open interest of Oil futures shorts that were closed out when the price dipped... very convenient>
Genuinely the price of oil futures is detached from the reality of global supply at this point and entirely manipulated by the US Government
ICLazeru | 11 hours ago
Schrodinger's Strait.
Is it open or is it closed? It's both! It's impossible to know.
Come to think of it, we kind of have Schrodinger's President, a quantum probability set signing executive orders. Except you still can't figure out what is happening even if you check.
Sebekiz | 10 hours ago
> Schrodinger's President
Such an apt description. No matter what he says the rules are, they are likely to change tomorrow when he has a new whim.
ThroatEducational271 | 12 hours ago
Iran closes it, then the U.S. closes it, the U.S. opens it (for China), then it closes it and now Iran also closes it.
So the U.S. and Iran are both closing the strait, seems like both sides have reached an agreement.
1-Dollar-Doge-Coins | 7 hours ago
Apparently the US only wants it open if that’s not what Iran wants.
It’s like when you’re 6 and you don’t want something only because your 5 year old brother wants it.
Good_Air_7192 | 16 hours ago
I'm tired boss.
Words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words
Spare-Ad-9403 | 11 hours ago
I'm boss tired.
Kusatchisadplant | 8 hours ago
Take a union break, WORD UP
Fuzzy_Ad_4998 | 14 hours ago
sword?
ProfessorSmoker | 11 hours ago
Good. I love watching globalization get punched in the mouth, keep it closed as long as possible. I hope it gets worse and creates a domino effect that ends ME energy exports. I hope more countries implement tolls that breakdown global trade as much as possible and end freedom of navigation. I hope that global industry fueled by slave wages and ecological exploitation crumbles and the whole thing falls apart.
Ok-Zookeepergame5245 | 7 hours ago
That is what is going to happen. They are bringing about the Great Reset.
chewie_were_home | 7 hours ago
https://media2.giphy.com/media/BmKLItgwfoHbcvVf8n/giphy.gif?cid=9b38fe91y30oqrhkyzwscqzylltaivirkq647sosp6qn482p&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
DeRpY_CUCUMBER | 16 hours ago
Iran would be screwed if the US didn’t have all these allies. We have to tame our actions based on their economies. If it was just the US vs Iran, the US could just sit out in the ocean and bomb Iran with impunity for forever. They can’t reach mainland America. Our allies are our greatest strength and greatest weakness simultaneously.
potatosquire | 15 hours ago
We live in a global economy. It doesn't matter if America has allies in the middle east or not, it would still be vulnerable to the economic effects of the strait closing or Iran attacking the energy production of other gulf countries.
avocadosconstant | 15 hours ago
The United States is in the process of removing allies. It’s generally seen today as a bully; headed by an individual that encapsulates how the rest of the world sees the modern American: corrupt, privileged, petty, greedy, disgusting. The diapered pedophile is a perfect representation of the American stereotype.
ConversationLow9545 | 15 hours ago
The fact the Americans themselves don't support this war and don't expect allies to help
pread6 | 15 hours ago
“Ready-Fire-Aim” Trump had no plan when he started this mess because he thought it would be easy like Venezuela. Trump was wrong!
Bram-D-Stoker | 15 hours ago
It still drives up oil prices. And yes some Americans companies will do well. Most Americans would be way worse off.
potatosquire | 15 hours ago
Specifically only American oil producers will do well out of this, every other company in every other sector is hurt by rising oil costs.
averysmallbeing | 14 hours ago
>They can’t reach mainland America
9/11 would like a word
_ECMO_ | 13 hours ago
Yes if the world was completely different, the situation would also be different. You are a wise man.
cmack | 13 hours ago
^ idiocy.
Express_Spirit_3350 | 15 hours ago
"Hello China, please dont supply weapons ok? I'm trying to appear strong here."
DeRpY_CUCUMBER | 15 hours ago
If all it took was a phone call to China to have them not send weapons to Iran while you were president and in the same situation, you’d do it too. That’s literally all it took.
potatosquire | 15 hours ago
If I were president I wouldn't be in this situation, because I wouldn't have started an idiotic unwinnable war to distract from my relationship with Jeffery Epstein.
Express_Spirit_3350 | 15 hours ago
If you need to ask China when they arent sending weapons at the moment, you shouldnt be talking about paper tigers.
DeRpY_CUCUMBER | 15 hours ago
Whos talking about paper tigers?
Express_Spirit_3350 | 15 hours ago
The US president.
DeRpY_CUCUMBER | 15 hours ago
Ah gotchya. when he was talking about NaTo? It’s true, the European NATO countries are pathetic. All of their militaries are a total joke. Underfunded, no power projection capability, no stockpiles, man power shortages. Etc. other than France, the rest of the European militaries aren’t scaring anyone.
Edit: Sweden and Denmark are respectable too but only if you’re fighting within their territory.
Express_Spirit_3350 | 15 hours ago
And the US could not just sit out in the ocean and bomb Iran with impunity for forever.
I mean, even if we disregard how ridiculously China outproduces the US, the US is dependent on China's supply chains for their defense industry...
DeRpY_CUCUMBER | 15 hours ago
The US has been silently building out a new supply chain for rare earths for the last year. Every day that goes by, the US is less dependent on China.
We did the same thing with middle eastern oil after the Arabs tried to weaponized energy in the 70s. Look what happened? We became the largest producer of oil on the planet.
China fucked up by playing its rare earth card too early. It gives the US time to create new supply chains before the war over Taiwan.
You know, Europe could have learned a thing or two from the US. Instead, you are all just waiting on the day the Ukraine war is over so you can go running right back to being dependent on Russia for energy.
It’s odd how you keep trying to make this about China while I was talking about Iran. Like I said, one phone call and China decided against sending weapons. If the US was so weak compared to China, you’d think China would help one of its anti west allies and huge supplier of oil. Why not? Since according to you, China holds all the cards?
Express_Spirit_3350 | 15 hours ago
China will provide weapons, or China wont provide weapons.
The US became a producer only because fracking became a thing.
I'm not making this about China, just using them as an exemple. You are the one pretending the US is all-powerful, yet you want to ignore what others can do.
: Looking at what Iran did under decades of sanctions against the US who was the hegemon, you really shouldnt be so quick to wish a "you vs them only" scenario.
Overito | 13 hours ago
Buddy, every day that goes by the world is less dependent on the US. Can you visualise how this will end?
FijiFanBotNotGay | 11 hours ago
You would need a state owned oil company for this fantasy to pan out… if the international price of oil goes up the average American is screwed and leaders lose their seats of power
M1_Garand_Ping | 10 hours ago
It must suck being the only person on this sub who actually knows anything