I believe Special Relativity tells us things about time we still have not properly understood today. I am amazed that the vast majority of people already do not know the relativity of simultaneity or time dilation, but I am saying I believe SR implies further things about time which await further elucidation.
One of these is the idea that not just the present, but time as a whole, is local. Under the current scientific worldview, time is considered global-a dimension- while only the present is considered local. I think this does not go far enough, and we should take seriously the idea that every object with non-zero rest mass has its own time. And this is just the beginning...
And general relativity (GR) is even weirder. The Gödel solution to GR shows that closed timelike paths can exist in GR so it is in principle possible to go back to your past.
Well it's just that I've never been fully convinced like time as an actual 4th Dimension. The most areas of physics it seems to behave differently everybody seems to treat time the way they want to fit what they need I guess. Some examples like you don't move sideways in time the direction of time seems to be tied to irreversibility rather than a type of symmetry. I can go on if anyone's interested I would love to know what people think I tend to look at things from different perspectives. I see time more as a way of tracking ordered change than as a substance or dimension in its own right. In classical mechanics it’s basically just an external parameter; in thermodynamics the arrow lines up with entropy in GR it’s welded into spacetime geometry in quantum theory it’s again just a parameter not an operator. I just love talking about all this
You may enjoy reading about the B theory of time, maybe it aligns with what you’re thinking. Briefly, it assumes that time isn’t an arrow, but an ordered series of moments, all of which are equally real and actualized. So, there isn’t such a thing as an objective past, present or future, only ‘earlier than/later than’ relations, that vary across distribution in space.
Have you read Time and Free Will by Henri Bergson? This idea of humans incorrectly conflating time with a spatial analogy is his core argument. You might find it interesting.
Can we talk about the "Eternal Now"? Or does Bergson call it La Duree?
That's where God is. Timeless Being.
"To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly."
When we can truly know and understand time, see and manipulate it move through and around it, then we are not here anymore friends. We are in communion with God!
Arguably time can be tracked as the cycle of your awareness creating a constant, and ever changing now. This would place "Then" as nothing more than memory. Future being an anticipated state that can only be planned for. But what about the arrow of time? Most of the heavy-lifting of time could be done through entropy. Since matter doesn't actually require a past or future, time could be purely an illusion.
Alternatively time could be so embedded in space we can find no trace of it.
One of the most fascinating aspects of time, i find, is that it seems to act like a mirror when one tries to understand or approach the subject. That is, whatever language or paradigm that you might use to apprehend its nature, it will be bounced back at you in the flavor of that paradigm or particular language. For example, one will find a myriad of legitimate and well thought out approaches using mechanical, physiological, biological, psychological, mathematical, or even spiritual ways that seem to adequately (though maybe not fully) explain or explore its apparent existence.
My more advanced philosophy of time: since the shit happening around us is the only shit we can gauge this shit by and since the relative rates of shit-happening are locally consistent we can abstract a useful variable that can be measured by counting periodic processes, but shit can still effectively happen at differing rates in regions that are not local to each other.
Well, some weeks ago, I tried to post here an experimental framework about time in conjunction with thermodynamics and AI; it was a risky and unorthodox thesis what time could be. However, it was removed. Just funny that now someone is asking this question! The thesis of this experimental framework was that time is the primitive of intelligence in our universe. Without time, nothing would have ever emerged. In this framework, time will disappear when everything has been put into a final order (zero epistemological entropic state, crystallization) and then, all what time has built, will decay (end of the universe, i.e. only radiation). Well, it is a risky approach, in a risky experimental framework, I know, maybe even too risky.
I’ve got a few questions that GR supposedly answers but I’m not getting. It’s one thing for light from a more distant object to hit us sonnet then a nearer object through lending, or the same event to appear at two different times through the same lensing. But if we know those distances and the mass causing the leasing, can’t we still qccurately say which event happened first? Even if different objects exerience the passing of time differently due to dilation, can’t we still say what events were simultaneous with each other? Can’t we still have an accurate universal sequence of things, events a and b being concurrent, c coming later, d coming later still?
i believe that time is an intial state, the start of an event and a final state, the end of an event, and what we call entropy is the different information the brain uses to construct our reality, if you place an apple on a table on wednesday and return to it on sunday the information your brain processes will be different, your expectation would have expected the apple to be rotten therefore the apple was as expected, time is simply the changes in information from the initial state to the final state with any observations recorded with a planck scale resolution, but im no scientist.
ArminNikkhahShirazi | 23 hours ago
I believe Special Relativity tells us things about time we still have not properly understood today. I am amazed that the vast majority of people already do not know the relativity of simultaneity or time dilation, but I am saying I believe SR implies further things about time which await further elucidation.
One of these is the idea that not just the present, but time as a whole, is local. Under the current scientific worldview, time is considered global-a dimension- while only the present is considered local. I think this does not go far enough, and we should take seriously the idea that every object with non-zero rest mass has its own time. And this is just the beginning...
berf | 9 hours ago
And general relativity (GR) is even weirder. The Gödel solution to GR shows that closed timelike paths can exist in GR so it is in principle possible to go back to your past.
knockingatthegate | a day ago
Go on…
[OP] Orgues02 | a day ago
Well it's just that I've never been fully convinced like time as an actual 4th Dimension. The most areas of physics it seems to behave differently everybody seems to treat time the way they want to fit what they need I guess. Some examples like you don't move sideways in time the direction of time seems to be tied to irreversibility rather than a type of symmetry. I can go on if anyone's interested I would love to know what people think I tend to look at things from different perspectives. I see time more as a way of tracking ordered change than as a substance or dimension in its own right. In classical mechanics it’s basically just an external parameter; in thermodynamics the arrow lines up with entropy in GR it’s welded into spacetime geometry in quantum theory it’s again just a parameter not an operator. I just love talking about all this
Moriturism | a day ago
You may enjoy reading about the B theory of time, maybe it aligns with what you’re thinking. Briefly, it assumes that time isn’t an arrow, but an ordered series of moments, all of which are equally real and actualized. So, there isn’t such a thing as an objective past, present or future, only ‘earlier than/later than’ relations, that vary across distribution in space.
I_CollectDownvotes | 13 hours ago
Have you read Time and Free Will by Henri Bergson? This idea of humans incorrectly conflating time with a spatial analogy is his core argument. You might find it interesting.
clint-t-massey | 2 hours ago
Can we talk about the "Eternal Now"? Or does Bergson call it La Duree?
That's where God is. Timeless Being.
"To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly."
When we can truly know and understand time, see and manipulate it move through and around it, then we are not here anymore friends. We are in communion with God!
Classic-Teaching4796 | 23 hours ago
Arguably time can be tracked as the cycle of your awareness creating a constant, and ever changing now. This would place "Then" as nothing more than memory. Future being an anticipated state that can only be planned for. But what about the arrow of time? Most of the heavy-lifting of time could be done through entropy. Since matter doesn't actually require a past or future, time could be purely an illusion.
Alternatively time could be so embedded in space we can find no trace of it.
Either way I really don't have time for it.
icsvortex | 15 hours ago
One of the most fascinating aspects of time, i find, is that it seems to act like a mirror when one tries to understand or approach the subject. That is, whatever language or paradigm that you might use to apprehend its nature, it will be bounced back at you in the flavor of that paradigm or particular language. For example, one will find a myriad of legitimate and well thought out approaches using mechanical, physiological, biological, psychological, mathematical, or even spiritual ways that seem to adequately (though maybe not fully) explain or explore its apparent existence.
Friendly_Duck_ | 12 hours ago
im partial to the b-theory and cognitive error theory re: explaining people's purported experience of time's passing.
Roswealth | 11 hours ago
My philosophy of time: shit happens.
My more advanced philosophy of time: since the shit happening around us is the only shit we can gauge this shit by and since the relative rates of shit-happening are locally consistent we can abstract a useful variable that can be measured by counting periodic processes, but shit can still effectively happen at differing rates in regions that are not local to each other.
Ain't that some shit.
Remote-College9498 | 6 hours ago
Well, some weeks ago, I tried to post here an experimental framework about time in conjunction with thermodynamics and AI; it was a risky and unorthodox thesis what time could be. However, it was removed. Just funny that now someone is asking this question! The thesis of this experimental framework was that time is the primitive of intelligence in our universe. Without time, nothing would have ever emerged. In this framework, time will disappear when everything has been put into a final order (zero epistemological entropic state, crystallization) and then, all what time has built, will decay (end of the universe, i.e. only radiation). Well, it is a risky approach, in a risky experimental framework, I know, maybe even too risky.
Marvinkmooneyoz | 2 hours ago
I’ve got a few questions that GR supposedly answers but I’m not getting. It’s one thing for light from a more distant object to hit us sonnet then a nearer object through lending, or the same event to appear at two different times through the same lensing. But if we know those distances and the mass causing the leasing, can’t we still qccurately say which event happened first? Even if different objects exerience the passing of time differently due to dilation, can’t we still say what events were simultaneous with each other? Can’t we still have an accurate universal sequence of things, events a and b being concurrent, c coming later, d coming later still?
mack__7963 | 2 hours ago
i believe that time is an intial state, the start of an event and a final state, the end of an event, and what we call entropy is the different information the brain uses to construct our reality, if you place an apple on a table on wednesday and return to it on sunday the information your brain processes will be different, your expectation would have expected the apple to be rotten therefore the apple was as expected, time is simply the changes in information from the initial state to the final state with any observations recorded with a planck scale resolution, but im no scientist.
AdvantageSensitive21 | a day ago
The amount people that talk about time is insane.
Mooks79 | a day ago
Yeah I hear people talking about it all the time.
[OP] Orgues02 | a day ago
Yes I completely agree maybe that's why my my brain just picks up on it all the time lol
SmartestManInUnivars | a day ago
When we die, time will become meaningless.