I know! She refused to do chemo and all. Because she's in her 70s and had a good life.
But I helped talk her into it because when I went through my own cancer (one year remission this month!!!), I did a lot of research and found some actual medical alternatives.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of alternatives did you find to be helpful? I lost a close relative to cancer pretty recently, and that whole battle was a lot. If I’m ever faced with something like that again, I would love to have as many weapons in the arsenal as possible.
When I speak about alternatives in this case, I mean like trials. So mrna based injections in her case. You can usually find trials when you google your disease and clinical trials near me. If you ask your doc, they'll suggest them if they don't suck.
I can't like recommend tumeric shots or vit D in food concious.
Butttt what my own doc said is that you feel free to google any and all alternative treatmenrs, bring them up during the appointment and he'll tell me which ones will hurt me.
And if it doesn't hurt me, go for it. "Even if it's putting a crystal uo your ass. Well lubed and with a flared base."
Well, that’s pretty helpful. My relative was scheduled to start TIL experimental therapy once we realized chemo wasn’t working. However, they began deteriorating very quickly, so they ended up forgoing that and opted for hospice care. It was incredibly difficult.
Living in a country with public healthcare, I am not too keen on them making it more difficult to treat them and ultimately using up more expertise, time and money that could be used to treat others.
Thankfully, these types of treatments are usually covered by insurance. The patent protection and exclusivity will also only be until the mid-2030s, where we expect prices to hopefully drop and also see if cheaper biosimilars get produced (EGFR/MET has still been a very popular target in the industry due to current success)
Having insurance for cancer treatment in the U.S won’t prevent perform losing their homes and life savings. I’ve seen how our system works up close. Unless this new jab is a fraction of the out of pocket cost current treatments are, it will be out of reach of the shrinking middle class. And for the increasing amount of uninsured Americans…well they don’t have anything to look forward to other than the White House ballroom.
Hold on, so it makes the tumors go away, but not stay away?
>Patients receiving amivantamab lived for a median of 12.5 months overall after starting treatment, despite having a form of cancer with very poor outcomes, once standard treatments stop working.
Masking the tumors go away is the most invasive part, right?
Chemo and radiation do a lot of damage to the body, and chemo is especially non discriminate with faster replicating cells, and radiation, while much more accurate, still has a big effect to the surrounding area.
Doing so without the side effects would be a massive step in curing cancer, and the quality of life for those undergoing treatment.
"Jab" and "shot" are primarily regional colloquialisms used interchangeably to describe a medical injection or vaccination, though "jab" is more commonly used in the UK and Commonwealth countries, while "shot" is the standard term in North America. Now whos the morron
Good thing there are things that people can eat right now that do something similar (yes this is AI):
Curcumin (turmeric) — inhibits EGFR signaling,modulates downstream pathways and canreverse tumor immunosuppression (enhancesT/NK cell activity, downregulates NF-κB/PD‑L1in some models).
Epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) — green tea catechin that inhibits EGFR signaling and other proliferative pathways; has immune‑modulatory effects.
Resveratrol (grapes, berries, supplements) — inhibits EGFR-related pathways, can enhance T‑cell and dendritic cell activity and synergize with immunotherapies in preclinical/early clinical studies.
Sulforaphane (cruciferous vegetables — broccoli, Brussels sprouts) — modulates multiple cancer pathways, influences MET/HGF-related signaling in combination contexts, and activates anti‑tumor responses (Nrf2, apoptotic pathways).
Apigenin (parsley, celery, chamomile) — shown to affect EGFR/PI3K/AKT signaling and—in combination with metformin—has evidence for modulating HGF/MET signaling.
Quercetin (onions, apples, capers, supplements) — inhibits EGFR/PI3K/AKT and other growth pathways and may modulate tumor immune microenvironment.
Genistein (soy isoflavone) — affects EGFR-related signaling and cell proliferation pathways; studied for immune effects in some models.
Ginsenosides / Astragalus extracts (ginseng, astragalus) — polysaccharides and saponins that can boost immune cell activity (T, NK, dendritic cells) and modulate tumor signaling pathways.
Berberine (barberry, goldenseal, supplement) — multi‑target effects on proliferation and metastasis pathways (some data on MET-related axes) and immune modulation in preclinical studies.
Garlic / allicin and other organosulfur compounds — affect cell proliferation pathways and phase II detoxification; have immune‑modulating activity.
Dietary patterns / microbiome interventions — fiber, probiotics, and a plant‑rich diet support gut microbiome diversity and short‑chain fatty acids, which are linked to better anti‑tumor immune responses and improved immunotherapy outcomes.
StatementOrIsIt | 19 hours ago
Looks promising. Happy to hear that there soon will be another tool against treatment resistant cancers.
whoyoubisme | 18 hours ago
My mil got one! No cancer detectable despite being stage 4 with lung and brain. Only her thyroid was nuked and she gets more tired.
But no detectable cancer!!
tinynugget | 15 hours ago
That is so awesome!
whoyoubisme | 15 hours ago
I know! She refused to do chemo and all. Because she's in her 70s and had a good life.
But I helped talk her into it because when I went through my own cancer (one year remission this month!!!), I did a lot of research and found some actual medical alternatives.
She got herself a study and bam! Healed!
schm0kemyrod | 13 hours ago
Just out of curiosity, what kind of alternatives did you find to be helpful? I lost a close relative to cancer pretty recently, and that whole battle was a lot. If I’m ever faced with something like that again, I would love to have as many weapons in the arsenal as possible.
whoyoubisme | 3 hours ago
When I speak about alternatives in this case, I mean like trials. So mrna based injections in her case. You can usually find trials when you google your disease and clinical trials near me. If you ask your doc, they'll suggest them if they don't suck.
I can't like recommend tumeric shots or vit D in food concious.
Butttt what my own doc said is that you feel free to google any and all alternative treatmenrs, bring them up during the appointment and he'll tell me which ones will hurt me.
And if it doesn't hurt me, go for it. "Even if it's putting a crystal uo your ass. Well lubed and with a flared base."
schm0kemyrod | an hour ago
Well, that’s pretty helpful. My relative was scheduled to start TIL experimental therapy once we realized chemo wasn’t working. However, they began deteriorating very quickly, so they ended up forgoing that and opted for hospice care. It was incredibly difficult.
whoyoubisme | 8 minutes ago
It really is. Im really sorry.
Tyr_13 | 13 hours ago
How do you get into these trials?
whoyoubisme | 3 hours ago
You find them. Like literay duckduckgo or google trials for x near me and reach out. Or ask your doctor to reach out.
P3achV0land | 13 hours ago
Absolutely incredible, thrilled this worked so well for your MIL ✨
whoyoubisme | 3 hours ago
Me too. And I'm hoping it works for more and more people.
In a way, I'm happy I went through cancer first because I managed to convince her that there was actual legit not crystal based alternatives to chemo.
Just got to look for them and talk to your doc. (Or if they are on the ball, they'll suggets it.)
tinynugget | 19 hours ago
I have grown to hate the use of “jab,” since it’s primarily used by antivaxxers. Hope it works though
argument_cat | 16 hours ago
Anti-vaxxers will probably avoid this treatment.
mattbladez | 14 hours ago
At least cancer isn’t contagious so it doesn’t affect herd immunity
PhazonZim | 5 hours ago
Anti vaxx conspiracy is itself a cancer, really
ShapeShiftingCats | 39 minutes ago
Living in a country with public healthcare, I am not too keen on them making it more difficult to treat them and ultimately using up more expertise, time and money that could be used to treat others.
Dismal-Strawberry421 | 6 hours ago
Please don’t get my hopes up
SatansGothestFemboy | an hour ago
Anticaxxers will continue their regimen of fresh fruits and thrice daily prayer to kill cancer
FadeIntoReal | an hour ago
Darwin
Weary_Wrap_4419 | 16 hours ago
Good. The antivaxxers can continue to take Ivermectin and refuse this cancer 'jab'.
BigJSunshine | 15 hours ago
I am ok with the anti-vaxxers not believing in science and medicine for themselves, but they don’t get to fuck their kids.
HandshakeOfCO | 11 hours ago
If you’re their leader you can fuck other kids though
FadeIntoReal | an hour ago
But so many do fuck kids.
sfcnmone | 18 hours ago
I was just going to post: “who even uses the word jab except anti-vaxxers?” We’re on a science subreddit.
banecroft | 17 hours ago
We use it all the time in the UK actually, there’s no negative connotations here
wendalls | 17 hours ago
Same with n AU and NZ
Cakiea | 16 hours ago
The vast majority of the english speaking world outside the US.
Mind1827 | 15 hours ago
Canada as well. "Jab" is almost pejorative here, too. I actually prefer it. Jab is a verb. It's a vaccine, call it what it is, lol.
HandshakeOfCO | 11 hours ago
It’s not a vaccine. It’s a treatment delivered by injection.
Mind1827 | 3 hours ago
Sure, I was speaking specifically in the vaccine context. Just call it that then, lol.
sfcnmone | 13 hours ago
It sounds very aggressive, like a word you would use to frighten small children.
darkearwig | 15 hours ago
That was one of the indicators that the anti vax propaganda likely came from Russia and was aimed at the UK, because "jab" is used over there
[OP] AlexandrTheTolerable | 9 hours ago
It’s a British publication, and that’s the word they use in the UK.
tinynugget | 9 hours ago
I gotcha! My mistake. Did not know. Connotation variations like this are so interesting.
cloudystateofmind | 20 hours ago
The tax exempt Epstein class will have an even more fabulous life.
gcpdudes | 19 hours ago
Thankfully, these types of treatments are usually covered by insurance. The patent protection and exclusivity will also only be until the mid-2030s, where we expect prices to hopefully drop and also see if cheaper biosimilars get produced (EGFR/MET has still been a very popular target in the industry due to current success)
cloudystateofmind | 17 hours ago
Having insurance for cancer treatment in the U.S won’t prevent perform losing their homes and life savings. I’ve seen how our system works up close. Unless this new jab is a fraction of the out of pocket cost current treatments are, it will be out of reach of the shrinking middle class. And for the increasing amount of uninsured Americans…well they don’t have anything to look forward to other than the White House ballroom.
Dylanator13 | 19 hours ago
I agree but what does this have to do with the post?
RockieK | 18 hours ago
The must be in the U.S.? We don't get any nice things here. People are disgruntled, with good reason.
Money = health
Cobalt460 | 19 hours ago
Stop using “jab” and call vaccines what they are. Jab is anti-vax vernacular.
Jslowb | 18 hours ago
In the UK, we have always used ‘jab’ as a synonym of ‘vaccine’. So it doesn’t necessarily have anti-vax connotations here.
[OP] AlexandrTheTolerable | 9 hours ago
And this is a British publication, so it’s natural they would use it.
Aggressive_Sky8492 | 15 hours ago
In the US it is. In the UK, New Zealand and I assume other places it’s just a normal word for an injection/vaccine
underdabridge | 18 hours ago
No we need to reclaim it.
UlsterManInScotland | 9 hours ago
It’s a normal word for vaccines outside of the USA, there’s a whole world outside of America that uses it ….
MeltedWater243 | 14 hours ago
this isn’t a vaccine, it’s a literal jab underneath the skin
TonaldDiberJasicDump | 8 hours ago
Can you jab the thyroids’s Pam Bondi cancer?
costafilh0 | 17 hours ago
Antivaxxers will open an exception for this one 😂
Wurm42 | 16 hours ago
Hold on, so it makes the tumors go away, but not stay away?
>Patients receiving amivantamab lived for a median of 12.5 months overall after starting treatment, despite having a form of cancer with very poor outcomes, once standard treatments stop working.
Crashman09 | 15 hours ago
Masking the tumors go away is the most invasive part, right?
Chemo and radiation do a lot of damage to the body, and chemo is especially non discriminate with faster replicating cells, and radiation, while much more accurate, still has a big effect to the surrounding area.
Doing so without the side effects would be a massive step in curing cancer, and the quality of life for those undergoing treatment.
Ttthhasdf | 17 hours ago
It is head and neck cancer but doesn't say if it is hpv+ or not
daemare | 13 hours ago
It literally says HPV+ cancers were not considered in this study
Ttthhasdf | 3 hours ago
Ok thank you I could not find that. I appreciate your posting.
USMCLee | 15 minutes ago
Can't wait until this becomes the first option instead of the last option.
NecroDaddy | 10 hours ago
It's called a shot. Stop calling it a jab like a moron.
TwoFlower68 | 2 hours ago
The Guardian is a British paper, so they're going to use the British term, no?
aprizm | 3 minutes ago
"Jab" and "shot" are primarily regional colloquialisms used interchangeably to describe a medical injection or vaccination, though "jab" is more commonly used in the UK and Commonwealth countries, while "shot" is the standard term in North America. Now whos the morron
thirdsignupin7years | 8 hours ago
Guy cosplays as Scottish online, but calls normal Scottish wording moronic. Make it make sense.
Ill_Mousse_4240 | 15 hours ago
Excellent news, thanks for sharing!
But like others, I hate the word jab. Try something else
CriticalPolitical | 5 hours ago
Good thing there are things that people can eat right now that do something similar (yes this is AI):
Curcumin (turmeric) — inhibits EGFR signaling,modulates downstream pathways and canreverse tumor immunosuppression (enhancesT/NK cell activity, downregulates NF-κB/PD‑L1in some models).
Epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) — green tea catechin that inhibits EGFR signaling and other proliferative pathways; has immune‑modulatory effects.
Resveratrol (grapes, berries, supplements) — inhibits EGFR-related pathways, can enhance T‑cell and dendritic cell activity and synergize with immunotherapies in preclinical/early clinical studies.
Sulforaphane (cruciferous vegetables — broccoli, Brussels sprouts) — modulates multiple cancer pathways, influences MET/HGF-related signaling in combination contexts, and activates anti‑tumor responses (Nrf2, apoptotic pathways).
Apigenin (parsley, celery, chamomile) — shown to affect EGFR/PI3K/AKT signaling and—in combination with metformin—has evidence for modulating HGF/MET signaling.
Quercetin (onions, apples, capers, supplements) — inhibits EGFR/PI3K/AKT and other growth pathways and may modulate tumor immune microenvironment.
Genistein (soy isoflavone) — affects EGFR-related signaling and cell proliferation pathways; studied for immune effects in some models.
Ginsenosides / Astragalus extracts (ginseng, astragalus) — polysaccharides and saponins that can boost immune cell activity (T, NK, dendritic cells) and modulate tumor signaling pathways.
Berberine (barberry, goldenseal, supplement) — multi‑target effects on proliferation and metastasis pathways (some data on MET-related axes) and immune modulation in preclinical studies.
Garlic / allicin and other organosulfur compounds — affect cell proliferation pathways and phase II detoxification; have immune‑modulating activity.
Dietary patterns / microbiome interventions — fiber, probiotics, and a plant‑rich diet support gut microbiome diversity and short‑chain fatty acids, which are linked to better anti‑tumor immune responses and improved immunotherapy outcomes.
Ask your doctor first before trying anything new
Sweet_Unvictory | an hour ago
This isn't similar.