Please fix the loading issue and I’ll return! I think you don’t need to pull all the data at initialization, you could lazily grab a couple from each category and just keep doing it as people scroll.
The loading issue is just a hug of death, the site's currently getting multiple visitors per second, and that requires more than a gigabit of bandwidth to handle.
I sort of need to pull all the data at the initialization because I need to map out how every post affects every other - the links between posts are what take up majority of the storage, not the text inside the posts. It's also kind of the only way to preserve privacy.
> Why are you serving so much data personally instead of just reformatting theirs?
Because then you only need to download 40MB of data and do minimal processing. If you were to take the dumps off of Wikimedia, you would need to download 400MB of data and do processing on that data that would take minutes of time.
And also it's kind of rude to hotlink a half a gig of data on someone else's site.
> What am I missing?
40MB per second is 320mbps, so even 3 visitors per second maxes out a gigabit connection.
That's a very silly claim considering I bought the domain the same day I released the project. I'm sure whoever would've been interested in buying the domain could've already swept it up for 10 bucks before me.
no but...why are you passing 40mb from your server to my device in a lump like that?
All I'm getting from your serve is a title, a sentence, and an image.
Why not give me say the first 20 and start loading the next 20 when I reach the 10th?
That way you're not getting hit with 40mb for every single click but only a couple of mb per click and a couple more per scroll for users that are actually using the service?
Look at your logs. How many people only ever got the first 40 and clicked off because you're getting ddosed? Every single time that's happened (which is more than a few times based on HN posts), you've not only lost a user but weakened the experience of someone that's chosen to wait by increasing their load time by insisting that they wait for the entire 40MB download.
I am just having trouble understanding why you've decided to make me and your server sit through a 40MB transfer for text and images...
> no but...why are you passing 40mb from your server to my device in a lump like that?
Because you need all of the cross-article link data, which is the majority of the 40mb, to run the algorithm. The algorithm does not run on the server, because I care about both user privacy and internet preservation.
Once the 40MB is downloaded, you can go offline, and the algorithm will still work. If you save the index.html and the 40MB file, you can run the entire thing locally.
> actually using the service
This is a fun website, it is not a "service".
> you've not only lost a user but weakened the experience of someone that's chosen to wait by increasing their load time
I make websites for fun. Losing a user doesn't particularly affect me, I don't plan on monetizing this, I just want people to have fun.
Yes, it is annoying that people have to wait a bit for the page to load, but that is only because the project has hundreds of thousands of more eyes on it than I expected it to within the first few hours. I expected this project to get a few hundred visits within the first few hours, in which case the bandwidth wouldn't have been an issue whatsoever.
> I am just having trouble understanding why you've decided to make me and your server sit through a 40MB transfer for text and images...
Running the algorithm locally, privacy, stability, preservation, ability to look at and play with the code, ability to go offline, easy to maintain and host etc.
Besides, sites like Twitter use up like a quarter of that for the JavaScript alone.
I believe in privacy but generally people are fine with rec algorithms running on a server if it's transparent enough/self hostable. Mastodon/DuckDuckGo/HN/etc all don't need to download a huge blob locally. (If you do want it to run locally, hosting the blob on a CDN or packaging this as an app and letting someone else host it would probably improve the experience a lot)
Mastodon/HN do not have a personalized weighted algorithm. On HN you see what everyone else sees, and on Mastodon the feed is chronological. DuckDuckGo offers some privacy, but still sends your search queries to Bing.
Also, all three of the examples are projects that have years of dev effort and hosting infrastructure behind them - Xikipedia is a project I threw together in less than a day for fun, I don't want to put effort into server-side maintenance and upkeep for such a small project. I just want a static index.html I can throw in /var/www/ and forget.
And re: hosting, my bare metal box is fine. It's just slow right now because it's getting a huge spike of attention. I don't want to pay for a CDN, and I doubt I could host a file getting multiple gigabits per second of traffic for free.
Seconding this—I had to wait a little bit to download it and play around and have some fun with it. I didn't mind.
What I appreciate the most about this string of comments (from OP) is that digging into "doing it for fun", hosting on your own machine, wanting simplicity for you as the maintainer and builder. This has been a big focus for me over a number of years, and it leads to things being not efficient, or scalable or even usable by others—but they bring me joy and that is more than enough for most things.
The reality is that there are of course ways to make this more efficient AND it simply doesn't need to be.
Good job on making something that people are clearly interested in, it brought me some joy clicking around and learning some things.
If you want it to be more than just this, of course you'll have to make it faster or have it be a different interface—installable offline typa thing so we can expect a bundle download and be fine with waiting. For example I can see this as a native app being kinda nice.
If you don't want it to be more than this, that's okay too.
Who made you do anything? It's a fun website. If you don't like it, move along or make one yourself. I could understand if you were paying for something, but this is free.
An issue I have with these apps that claim to be for doomscrolling is that you don't open apps like Instagram or Facebook to doomscroll, you open them to check messages or stories. The doomscrolling is an afterthought. These things assume you can realize you're doomscrolling and not only break out of it, but choose to hypnotize yourself in their app.
This could be a product. I'd pay for an app that fwd'd messages from other apps and gave me a wikipedia feed to scroll on the elevator / other places where the phone is a social respite
This is a very neat idea. I am not sure why the page needs to load 40mb of data and make me wait 5 mins before the first view. I'd probably also add some ranking criteria to surface good quality articles that maximize the "I learnt something new today" factor. Overall kudos to the developer for original thinking.
Presumably the 40mb of data is not from Wikipedia, but the Javascript tracking code bundle needed to turn it into a doomscrollable social media feed. ;) By those standards, I think it’s pretty lightweight! For comparison, the Instagram iOS app is 468.9mb, more than ten times the size…
This app IS made in under 1mb. The entire app, including all the assets minus all the actual Wikipedia data, is 21kB (no minification or compression). And all of it is in a single html file with human-readable code.
Thank you for spending your time and effort on something fun you believe in and that explores a point about human nature, and for showing we often underestimate how much we can get done in so little time on our own when we set our attention to it.
You’re not wasting time by being deliberate about what you build and having to choose what to dedicate yourself to. Vibe coding is not synonymous with productivity, and a lot of what we call “productive” today is just a different form of wasting life that is more socially acceptable.
I am so lucky to be basically immune to short form video garbage like TikTok, but I am not immune to Wikipedia's allure.
I easily have over 100 tabs of wikipedia open at any one time, reading about the most random stuff ever. I'm the guy who will unironically look up the food I'm eating on wikipedia while I'm eating it.
No need to try to make it "doomscrollable" when it's already got me by the balls.
Love the concept. Wikitok also exists [1] but the recommendation aspect that you're bringing you the table is a very intriguing original spin on it. I would be fascinated to see what a smart algorithm could discover on my behalf on Wikipedia given enough time.
I think it would be nice if you could do a non simple English version but nevertheless happy with what you've put together, and I've added a shortcut to my phone. Please don't let the negativity stop you from continuing to work on it.
Dev here:
Unfortunately, that was one thing I never managed to figure out with WikiTok - content filtering.
Wikipedia has no categorization of whether or not their articles are NSFW (imagine how much debate that would require for millions of different articles), nor something I could use in their API.
That said, anecdotally, I have found the percentage of rather NSFW articles to be quite low all things considered so it's been mostly fine.
I think the best option would be to have a quick disclaimer before your scroll, but nobody has seriously asked me for that.
Clicked into an article about nuclear weapons and was thinking "wow, the quality of this article is horrible" before I realized it was Simple English Wikipedia. I didn't even know that was a thing.
This would actually be really fun if built around social feature like curators who could quote-repost the posts, popular/trending sorting and a threaded comment system.
How does it actually work? Can you add an "about" page that goes into the algo? Or can you add more info on the readme on github? I'd love to learn more.
Impressive!
We're a university lab and published recommendation algorithms. Never knew that doomscrolling could be this addictive this fast, thnx!
Please consider taking an hour and push this to a Github with quick readme. Scientists and developers would get it. We have been building a torrent-based alternative to Youtube for a few years. Not many knowledge out there around operational frontpage algorithm.
Page crashed after downloading and extracting. On safari iPhone that’s a few years old, latest iOS. I was really interested in trying / why I waited
Ed: tried again it crashed at 66% loading (after 100% loading)
I ran across a grammar mistake in one of the entries and clicked into the actual wikipedia entry to fix it. That was satisfying. Imagine being able to do that on social media.
I love the concept. But the long load at startup really kills it. Even clicking off the site and reloading makes me have to go through the download all over again.
The United States Virgin Islands are a group of islands in the Caribbean Sea. They are currently owned and under the authority of the United States Government. They used to be owned by Denmark (and called Danish West Indies). They were sold to the U.S. on January 17, 1917, because of fear that the Germans would capture them and use them as a submarine base in World War I.
Did you write your own summary parser for this? I wrote one in the past and found the wiki markup quirky to deal with. The wiki dumps do provide summaries but they seem to suffer similar issues.
Very small suggestion: Can you make the entries actual links/anchor tags so that it is possible to copy link, middle-click to open in a new tab, and so on?
It took a while to load but once I was in I found it like reading a magazine. I was expecting it to be more of a Tiktok UX.
It's kind of like the opposite to my Wikipedia project Redactle.net which takes a lot of effort.
OP, since you're encountering load issues I would suggest narrowing your corpus to Wikipedia vital level 3 and caching all the content since it's only 1000 articles.
I was thinking the same, and read it as “Xi”kipedia. Then sure enough, one of the articles that it immediately showed when it loaded was for “General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party”, or Xi Jinping.
I think what is interesting is that it is not necessarily the content of the brainrot that makes us underperform, but the act of swiping [0] and the context switching [1].
These attempts to make educational short form content still suffer from the same drawbacks, so I wonder how effective they truly are.
i would place my money on the vast gap between effort and reward. you dont even need to think "if i swipe..." because the thought takes longer than the action. So why would you stop to consider what you might have to gain by swiping when you can literally swipe and find out faster than you can think about it?
Then you go about your regular day and suddenly everything feels harder in comparison. You have to think about what youre doing, you have to coordinate or plan your actions, you have to put work in. The swiping rots your ability to maintain and coordinate your chain of actions.
I suppose the idea is that if we're gonna be underperforming due to endless swiping and context switching, might as well get stimulated by educational content instead of brainrot. Similar to a nicotine patch to help quit smoking.
> It is made as a demonstration of how even a basic non-ML algorithm with no data from other users can quickly learn what you engage with to suggest you more similar content.
Yeah, it got really sticky real fast. From the random (?) selection it starts off where I couldn't recognize anything but popular TV shows, it immediately over-indexed on that content and I had to fight for my life to see anything else in the feed that I would recognize and consider a good algorithmic pick for my interests.
Which is brilliant, because Instagram has the same issue for me - absolute metric tons of garbage and whenever there is a gem in that landfill of a feed that I interact with positively, it's nothing but more of that on my feed for weeks until I grow sick of that given thing. In conclusion, Instagram could have used this 30 line algorithm and I'd have the same exact experience when using it.
Algorithmic feeds are obviously problematic for turning several generations into lobotomized zombies, but they are also just not very good at nuance, so it is not even a case of something that's bad for you but it just feels so good. It's just something that's bad, but is able to penetrate the very low defenses in human psychology for resisting addiction and short-term gratification and there is no incentive to improve them for the sake of the user as long as they work for the advertisers.
Funny that I selected some subjects such as art, technology and human sexuality, and after a bit of scrolling, I get an article on Technosexuality. TIL.
I don't get it. It shows the intro paragraph of some articles in card list and that's it? Clicking the card takes you away from the feed, instead of creating e.g. some kind of a path of interest.
I just kept scrolling, hoping it would learn from how long I paused over content to read it the way FB's seems to, but it seems you're right, in this case "likes" are required.
I've been waiting for someone to implement this well! I think in the future we might even have tiktok-style influencer videos generated from wikipedia content, who knows.
I've been swiping a lot for the last 10 minutes and I'm not sure how much it's learning. I have some feedback.
- I have never liked or clicked a biography but it keeps suggesting vast amounts of those
- It does not seem to update the score based on clicking vs liking vs doing both. I would assume clicking is a solid form of engagement that should be taken into consideration
- It would be interesting to see some stats. I have no idea how many articles i've scrolled through or the actual time spent on liked vs disliked article previews. If you can add such insight it would be interesting
- A negative feedback mechanism would be interesting as well. There is no way to signal whether I'm just neutral towards something (and swipe through) or actively negative about it (which is a form of engagement the doomscroll would actually use to show me such content once in a while)
- since this website has already shown me multiple pages about things I'm learning about thanks through it, it might benefit from a "share" button (another engagement signal) as HN folks are likely to want to share on HN things they've just learned
- Would you be willing to make the experiment open source?
Perfect! Thanks for clarification. I thought there was server-side preparation of the content, but it seems from the other posts that it's all local, and I commend you for that.
I want to try reimplementing it for Wikipedia in another language, would you mind sharing how you went from the 400MB Wikipedia export to the .1x (40MB) file that is downloaded here?
Everything is unclickable on the first page for me, the word "Estonia" is typed in grey font on the dark-gray layout, I can not do anything except of selecting text.
I'm sorry but starting a 40MB download unprompted on a website is a bit rude, people roaming abroad might have half their data used up in 5 minutes or pay loads for this.
This is not a lot compared to how much data the average website will download. I just clicked a wired.com link which is also on the frontpage of HN right now. In a Chromium browser with no adblock, the network tab says 12 MB transferred.
The difference is just that this web page shows you how much data it transfers instead of doing it in the background.
I abadoned facebook since I couldnt stand the feed experience anymore. Recently learned about using https://www.facebook.com/?sk=h_chr in combintation with extension https://www.fbpurity.com/ which give me a chronological feed of groups and people i actually want to hear from. The most astonishing experience is how calm I feel consuming this cleaned up feed. Almost all negative emotions seem to stem from the uncontrollable feed experience.
Back when Wikipedia was new people had a tendency to spend all day in it clicking deeper and deeper. It was called "ratholing."
It was timewasting or avoidant behavior for sure, and often described negatively. But at least you were learning something.
Silicon Valley then spent the next few decades trying to understand that behavior so they could isolate it, strip all positive value out of it, and make it highly profitable.
I wonder what the cognitive difference is between the link to link addictive clicking on wikipedia and doomscrolling? I assume doomscrolling is even more pernicious because it's the lowest possible level of friction. I'm sure somebody has done studies.
Wait for the API costs or open-source models to be cheap enough and we'll get there. I mean it's a guaranteed HN frontpage (and currently also a guaranteed epic credit card bill).
The easiest way to break the mental barrier caused by short form content for me is to remind myself that knowing something is not the final product. The final product is trusting the knowledge and communicating that trust. Any information that finds itself to me without me asking for it is inherently less trustworthy and less communicable than information I hunted for with intention
Short form content feeds are like unloading a dumptruck full of random items into your driveway. Is it actually better if all that stuff you didnt ask for is real information that needs to be organized and pieced together with what you already know without any of the associated context that helps you do that? Or is it better if you know 99% of it is trash and you dont need to remember any of it?
I think a tool like this is great for people who want to use short form content intentionally, and personally that only happens when I am bored and in need of a new topic to research. I think of all short form content like marketing/ads, just showcasing something i might be interested to dig into on my own. It's how i used StumbleUpon website back in the day.
But I have noticed I am rarely using short form content with intention. its because i want to check what my friends have posted, and then with the extra downtime i scroll a little bit, and sometimes get stuck
esperent | a day ago
I gave up after about a minute.
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[OP] rebane2001 | a day ago
I sort of need to pull all the data at the initialization because I need to map out how every post affects every other - the links between posts are what take up majority of the storage, not the text inside the posts. It's also kind of the only way to preserve privacy.
goodmythical | a day ago
Why are you serving so much data personally instead of just reformatting theirs?
Even if you're serving it locally...I mean a regular 100mbit line should easily support tens or hundreds of text users...
What am I missing?
[OP] rebane2001 | a day ago
Because then you only need to download 40MB of data and do minimal processing. If you were to take the dumps off of Wikimedia, you would need to download 400MB of data and do processing on that data that would take minutes of time.
And also it's kind of rude to hotlink a half a gig of data on someone else's site.
> What am I missing?
40MB per second is 320mbps, so even 3 visitors per second maxes out a gigabit connection.
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goodmythical | a day ago
All I'm getting from your serve is a title, a sentence, and an image.
Why not give me say the first 20 and start loading the next 20 when I reach the 10th?
That way you're not getting hit with 40mb for every single click but only a couple of mb per click and a couple more per scroll for users that are actually using the service?
Look at your logs. How many people only ever got the first 40 and clicked off because you're getting ddosed? Every single time that's happened (which is more than a few times based on HN posts), you've not only lost a user but weakened the experience of someone that's chosen to wait by increasing their load time by insisting that they wait for the entire 40MB download.
I am just having trouble understanding why you've decided to make me and your server sit through a 40MB transfer for text and images...
[OP] rebane2001 | a day ago
Because you need all of the cross-article link data, which is the majority of the 40mb, to run the algorithm. The algorithm does not run on the server, because I care about both user privacy and internet preservation.
Once the 40MB is downloaded, you can go offline, and the algorithm will still work. If you save the index.html and the 40MB file, you can run the entire thing locally.
> actually using the service
This is a fun website, it is not a "service".
> you've not only lost a user but weakened the experience of someone that's chosen to wait by increasing their load time
I make websites for fun. Losing a user doesn't particularly affect me, I don't plan on monetizing this, I just want people to have fun.
Yes, it is annoying that people have to wait a bit for the page to load, but that is only because the project has hundreds of thousands of more eyes on it than I expected it to within the first few hours. I expected this project to get a few hundred visits within the first few hours, in which case the bandwidth wouldn't have been an issue whatsoever.
> I am just having trouble understanding why you've decided to make me and your server sit through a 40MB transfer for text and images...
Running the algorithm locally, privacy, stability, preservation, ability to look at and play with the code, ability to go offline, easy to maintain and host etc.
Besides, sites like Twitter use up like a quarter of that for the JavaScript alone.
nickorlow | a day ago
[OP] rebane2001 | a day ago
Also, all three of the examples are projects that have years of dev effort and hosting infrastructure behind them - Xikipedia is a project I threw together in less than a day for fun, I don't want to put effort into server-side maintenance and upkeep for such a small project. I just want a static index.html I can throw in /var/www/ and forget.
And re: hosting, my bare metal box is fine. It's just slow right now because it's getting a huge spike of attention. I don't want to pay for a CDN, and I doubt I could host a file getting multiple gigabits per second of traffic for free.
vages | 22 hours ago
Thank you for making my day a little brighter.
mikodin | 19 hours ago
What I appreciate the most about this string of comments (from OP) is that digging into "doing it for fun", hosting on your own machine, wanting simplicity for you as the maintainer and builder. This has been a big focus for me over a number of years, and it leads to things being not efficient, or scalable or even usable by others—but they bring me joy and that is more than enough for most things.
The reality is that there are of course ways to make this more efficient AND it simply doesn't need to be.
Good job on making something that people are clearly interested in, it brought me some joy clicking around and learning some things.
If you want it to be more than just this, of course you'll have to make it faster or have it be a different interface—installable offline typa thing so we can expect a bundle download and be fine with waiting. For example I can see this as a native app being kinda nice.
If you don't want it to be more than this, that's okay too.
Regardless, well done
nickorlow | 18 hours ago
Having too many users is a pretty good problem to have anyway!
nickorlow | 18 hours ago
ziml77 | 15 hours ago
You did a great job and I love hearing that you did it all by hand in a day rather than having AI make it for you.
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embedding-shape | 19 hours ago
How quick the times change... Back in my days, we put the limit on bundles being maximum 1MB, and it felt large even then.
isqueiros | 19 hours ago
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[OP] rebane2001 | 19 hours ago
All of the code is unminified/unobfuscated in the index.html file, you can right click the page and view-source it.
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blinding-streak | 16 hours ago
https://www.wikitok.io/
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Der_Einzige | a day ago
I easily have over 100 tabs of wikipedia open at any one time, reading about the most random stuff ever. I'm the guy who will unironically look up the food I'm eating on wikipedia while I'm eating it.
No need to try to make it "doomscrollable" when it's already got me by the balls.
joeyguerra | a day ago
DuckDB loaded in the browser via WebAssembly and Parquet files in S3.
closetkantian | a day ago
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glenstein | a day ago
I think it would be nice if you could do a non simple English version but nevertheless happy with what you've put together, and I've added a shortcut to my phone. Please don't let the negativity stop you from continuing to work on it.
1. https://www.wikitok.io/
noonething | a day ago
Thank you.
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synctext | 21 hours ago
Please consider taking an hour and push this to a Github with quick readme. Scientists and developers would get it. We have been building a torrent-based alternative to Youtube for a few years. Not many knowledge out there around operational frontpage algorithm.
Edit: https://github.com/rebane2001/xikipedia
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baxtr | a day ago
The United States Virgin Islands are a group of islands in the Caribbean Sea. They are currently owned and under the authority of the United States Government. They used to be owned by Denmark (and called Danish West Indies). They were sold to the U.S. on January 17, 1917, because of fear that the Germans would capture them and use them as a submarine base in World War I.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Virgin_Islan...
Sharlin | 16 hours ago
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wgx | 21 hours ago
And a plug for my own (fiendishly difficult) Wikipedia-based game:
https://studiowgx.willgrant.org/wikipedia-golf/
gregjw | 21 hours ago
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hggh | 21 hours ago
Should be: Please only continue if you're not at work.
rrr_oh_man | 20 hours ago
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brikym | 19 hours ago
It's kind of like the opposite to my Wikipedia project Redactle.net which takes a lot of effort.
OP, since you're encountering load issues I would suggest narrowing your corpus to Wikipedia vital level 3 and caching all the content since it's only 1000 articles.
qznc | 19 hours ago
worldsavior | 19 hours ago
Kodiack | 19 hours ago
Coincidence?! Yeah, probably.
kykeonaut | 19 hours ago
These attempts to make educational short form content still suffer from the same drawbacks, so I wonder how effective they truly are.
[0] https://cyberpsychology.eu/article/view/33099
[1] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/10.1080/09658211.2025.252107...
dvh | 19 hours ago
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order-matters | 13 hours ago
Then you go about your regular day and suddenly everything feels harder in comparison. You have to think about what youre doing, you have to coordinate or plan your actions, you have to put work in. The swiping rots your ability to maintain and coordinate your chain of actions.
it weakens your ability to have intent.
sidsud | 15 hours ago
tomashubelbauer | 19 hours ago
Yeah, it got really sticky real fast. From the random (?) selection it starts off where I couldn't recognize anything but popular TV shows, it immediately over-indexed on that content and I had to fight for my life to see anything else in the feed that I would recognize and consider a good algorithmic pick for my interests.
Which is brilliant, because Instagram has the same issue for me - absolute metric tons of garbage and whenever there is a gem in that landfill of a feed that I interact with positively, it's nothing but more of that on my feed for weeks until I grow sick of that given thing. In conclusion, Instagram could have used this 30 line algorithm and I'd have the same exact experience when using it.
Algorithmic feeds are obviously problematic for turning several generations into lobotomized zombies, but they are also just not very good at nuance, so it is not even a case of something that's bad for you but it just feels so good. It's just something that's bad, but is able to penetrate the very low defenses in human psychology for resisting addiction and short-term gratification and there is no incentive to improve them for the sake of the user as long as they work for the advertisers.
shiandow | 18 hours ago
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KolmogorovComp | 18 hours ago
You need to like them to update the weights of the algo, it works well
gpvos | 18 hours ago
dwringer | 13 hours ago
sebastiennight | 18 hours ago
I've been swiping a lot for the last 10 minutes and I'm not sure how much it's learning. I have some feedback.
- I have never liked or clicked a biography but it keeps suggesting vast amounts of those
- It does not seem to update the score based on clicking vs liking vs doing both. I would assume clicking is a solid form of engagement that should be taken into consideration
- It would be interesting to see some stats. I have no idea how many articles i've scrolled through or the actual time spent on liked vs disliked article previews. If you can add such insight it would be interesting
- A negative feedback mechanism would be interesting as well. There is no way to signal whether I'm just neutral towards something (and swipe through) or actively negative about it (which is a form of engagement the doomscroll would actually use to show me such content once in a while)
- since this website has already shown me multiple pages about things I'm learning about thanks through it, it might benefit from a "share" button (another engagement signal) as HN folks are likely to want to share on HN things they've just learned
- Would you be willing to make the experiment open source?
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[OP] rebane2001 | 11 hours ago
eimrine | 18 hours ago
freak42 | 18 hours ago
ulrikrasmussen | 17 hours ago
The difference is just that this web page shows you how much data it transfers instead of doing it in the background.
renegat0x0 | 18 hours ago
- https://sixdegreesofwikipedia.com/
- https://www.wikitok.io/
sebastiennight | 14 hours ago
aizk | 8 hours ago
morgengold | 17 hours ago
captainbland | 17 hours ago
Alifatisk | 16 hours ago
Update, it does not run properly in Firefox on iOS. After it has loaded to 100%, the site refreshes.
jordanb | 16 hours ago
It was timewasting or avoidant behavior for sure, and often described negatively. But at least you were learning something.
Silicon Valley then spent the next few decades trying to understand that behavior so they could isolate it, strip all positive value out of it, and make it highly profitable.
throw4847285 | 15 hours ago
Ir0nMan | 15 hours ago
ada1981 | 15 hours ago
sebastiennight | 14 hours ago
order-matters | 13 hours ago
Short form content feeds are like unloading a dumptruck full of random items into your driveway. Is it actually better if all that stuff you didnt ask for is real information that needs to be organized and pieced together with what you already know without any of the associated context that helps you do that? Or is it better if you know 99% of it is trash and you dont need to remember any of it?
I think a tool like this is great for people who want to use short form content intentionally, and personally that only happens when I am bored and in need of a new topic to research. I think of all short form content like marketing/ads, just showcasing something i might be interested to dig into on my own. It's how i used StumbleUpon website back in the day.
But I have noticed I am rarely using short form content with intention. its because i want to check what my friends have posted, and then with the extra downtime i scroll a little bit, and sometimes get stuck
knorker | 12 hours ago
But then I look at the comments, and it really looks like some people want this.
Now I'm depressed.
jackinthehat | 9 hours ago
extraduder_ire | 8 hours ago
Is it just not implemented, or would it be too much effort to undo the effect on your weights from liking the article?
aizk | 8 hours ago