I always assumed it was because women are generally smaller and less muscular.
So, it was like a mix for the cube-square in terms of heat loss and the fact that muscles burn energy, which generates heat.
I was recently reading that it's difficult for humans to build muscle because we need so many calories to feed our brains and fueling muscles you don't need is just a waste. Our bodies actively work to suppress unnecessary muscle mass, which is why we have to essentially convince our bodies that we NEED more muscles by working them to exhaustion.
Short period, yes. Long term no. It add mass, some insulation.
But fat isn't everywhere. Cold feet and hands are common women complaints, there is essentially no fat on your hands and fingers. Same with feet.
So often its not immediate.
My wife tends to have the opposite problem. She tends to overheat. Higher BMI than me, so even tho I put out maybe twice the heat, I can disipate it. She can't.. She gets flushed.
Throw in peri-menopause and you have some grumpy women that are too cold. Some grumpy women that are too hot and some that are swapping between them.
It was a neat little rabbit hole of why gorillas are these vegan muscle monsters (gentle giants compared to chimps at least), while we stress out over macronutrients and have to work our asses off to be strong.
And its because we lost our hindgut, where gorillas have symbiotic bacteria that convert greens into protein. We didn't need it because we ate meat and started cooking which made digestion easier.
And the exercise thing is because we evolved to strictly cut unnecessary muscle mass compared to other apes because we needed those calories for our brains.
There's cool biochemistry involved, but I don't remember it.
So theoretically, if we had those same bacteria would that mean we'd have more and easier muscle synthesis? Kinda like a super steroid by simply having a different gut biome, or do we miss some actual organs for this?
The hindgut and the bacteria therein are why gorillas don't have to worry eating protein like we do. The bacteria break down the leaves and whatever and turn them into proteins, and then the gorilla digests the bacteria to get their protein.
It's similar to all herbivores, but managing the hindgut is apparently energetically intensive, and as omnivores who cook their food, we didn't need it any more, so we lost it.
So, it would help us build muscle in that we wouldn't need to worry about our mix of carbs, fat, and protein like we do. We could get swoll on salads.
But the main muscle building difference is myostatin, which actively suppresses unnecessary muscle growth. Humans have significantly higher levels than the other great apes.
Gorillas evolved and continue to live in environments with abundant food and they need to be able to beat ass at a moment's notice, so they have very low levels of myostatin inhibiting continuous muscle growth.
Human access to food was more precarious, and we needed that energy for our big brains, which we used to make weapons to beat ass with much less muscle power.
And this concludes my short essay on a great apes guide to beating ass...
ETA: Actually, access to food is a HUGE driver of great ape social structures too. Our closest relatives, chimps and bonobos split from each other about 2 million years ago (~5 million years after splitting from us).
They were apparently split by a change in flow of the Congo River. Food was relatively scarce north of the river, where chimps became the violent hierarchical sociopaths we all know and love. Food was plentiful south of the river, so bonobos created the matriarchal free love societies we know and love.
They do not convert greens to protein any more than we do. The extra room and added digestive speed just allows them to consume enough volume to get their needs. The reason you can’t get your daily protein requirements from leaves isn’t because there’s no protein in there it’s because you need to eat forty pounds of it a day and there’s no way you can digest all that
My brother on T always complains about being way too hot. I thought everyone was supposed to be a sweaty mess half the time but no, apparently thats just men in my family.
Do you have high blood pressure? When my father finally got pills for his blood pressure the rest of us were finally allowed to have the heat on in the winter.
I always run hot, but my blood pressure is good every time it's checked.
I've got high cholesterol, my BMI isn't perfect, I could eat better and move more, but even my doctor commented that I always have a perfect blood pressure.
I'm still always hot though... And it's not socially acceptable to get undressed when I feel uncomfortable
Yup when my friend transitioned she texted me one day “Okay weird question - are girl ALWAYS freezing??” Also gay bars are always cranking the air conditioning because it’s mostly dudes.
I used to be one of those stand outside in a blizzard for a cigarette taking my time in flip flops shorts and a t-shirt. Now im freezing at 50 degrees since hrt had its effects.
My boyfriend scream sneezes like some banshee out of hell and I will die on the hill that it’s NOT something he can’t control. He just never had anyone admonish him for making such ridiculous, high pitched screams in public because people don’t mind when men make noise. So now he thinks his unfettered instincts are actual needs and compulsions instead of just the lack of self control that they are.
Yeah i curbed that in my best friend. Literally every time he scream sneezed, spat in public or farted loud around me I'd just walk out. He'd get annoyed and I'd say he's making me seriously uncomfortable by doing it on purpose as if I'm supposed to take awful smell, disgusting bodily fluids and being startled for fun.
He went from saying it's natural and something he can't change to actually fucking controlling it. Because i never stopped pointing it out and he respects me too much to keep making me feel uncomfortable
Yes the loud burping, farting, whatever disgusting noises men think they’re entitled to subject people to are absolutely a choice. It’s not natural. It’s fucking gross and I also will consistently call men out or leave the room when they do it. It’s not funny, like imagine having so little shame or self awareness because you’ve spent your whole life being coddled and not taught basic manners? I won’t stand for it.
The guy i was mentioning just burst into the break room talking loudly on his phone. The entitlement to take over every space is insane. This space is usually claimed as a quiet one. He's always super loud and I'm so tired of men thinking it's acceptable.
When you take calls at corporate go somewhere else plz. I want to have refuge somewhere from the noise. Don't follow me to the places we all claim to be quiet and ruin it. I don't want to have to resort to resting in the toilet. People even take naps here :/ it's like 3rd time he's coming here for a loud yap. Same goes for the men watching tiktoks on full volume here. Only men at our company. Literally
Yes, lack of impulse control and a need to be the center of attention at all times are exactly what lead to a scream sneezer. It’s a physical manifestation of main character syndrome.
Have you never seen/heard a man do the really aggressive nose rub thing when they have allergies or just general their nose is bothering them? It’s crazy loud and so dramatic!! Like, just got blow your nose in the bathroom so I don’t have to hear it, plus you need to wash your hands after that.
My husband scream-sneezes. It’s very startling. So I started doing it at home so he could experience it. It is very startling to him, too. But he’s sure he cannot stop.
Same with my husband. He says he can’t do it any other way. And I know it’s not healthy to hold back a sneeze or try to stop it, so I don’t say anything anymore, but I can’t believe there isn’t an effective way for him to sneeze without be so startlingly loud.
I am a woman and I LOUD sneeze. It is better when i can just sneeze and not hold back. I will if we are out but sometimes it hurts and it always uncomfortable.
He’s lying. He’s never tried to do it any other way because why would he? It’s his RIGHT to startle and hurt the ears of everyone in his vicinity because he’s a man
muscle memory? I mislearned engaging vocal cords while trying to keep in a sneeze and it makes it louder. I have to consciously remember to relax my voice, but most of the time, not quickly enough for the first sneeze. I must return to Wash's method: "like a leaf on the wind"
At my quiet workplace there's this super annoying older guy who does it. It's constant. As a woman I'm a burst sneezer, I'm not quiet either but i don't scream when i do it. I might actually talk to our leader if he's doing it as some power trip or fun because i genuinely don't get the vocalization he seems to add every time. Like almost audibly screaming ATSCHOOOO. My brother did it when we were on bad terms and he wanted to taunt me.
No one needs it at a corporate setting... If he actually can't stop, i guess one could let it be. But I'm not fully convinced. It's just such a man thing to do. I managed to get my best friend to finally stop spitting after he claimed it's impossible for him. I literally would stop walking and walk back if he did. Guess it's not impossible after all. Same way he's not scream sneezing either as of now. He says he was just used to it and didn't realize it's rude to people.
But as i said, if it's someone's only way to be — sure. But if you knew his personality maybe you'd also wonder if it's on purpose.
There’s no way this girl I went to high school with was willingly choosing to sneeze like an elephant. You could hear her from down the hall and she was always embarassed
I suspect its tongue posture at least in my sons case. My son doesnt hold rear of his tongue to the roof of his mouth when at rest very well. I had a lot of trouble with nursing him at first because of his tongue posture-- needed nipple shields. I suspect he has a posterior tongue tie inhibiting rear elevation but ive had him looked at multiple times and its technically normal (plan to have him looked at again if speech is impacted). I dont think socializing will fix tongue posture / palate anatomy.
I kinda agree, i used to sneeze very daintily, but after spending more time with my dad i started scream-sneezing like him and honestly, it feels better? I still tend to sneeze gently when out and about, but at home my sneezes are louder/more obnoxious. usually followed by a groan! pretty sure there's some science that vocalisations can make us feel better when sick, like groaning when sick can make you feel better? as opposed to repressing the urge to vocally express your discomfort.
Ehh look im down to blame men for a lot in our generationally patriarchal societies, but this aint fully it. As a man myself, i have to be conscious and I learnt online to not take deep breaths etc before a sneeze to reduce my glass shattering sneeze effects (exaggerated). My gf does a "shii" - and thats it; and I'm jealous of that. Like the other person said Im sure larger resperation systems could also play a part. I can and havr reduced my sneeze volumes but i can never reach a "shi-" level lol.
I dk man. My sneezes are involuntary, sudden, and physically violent. For some reason my body just puts all its force into it and the recoil and it fucking HURTS to sneeze, I dread it. I’m not loud about it but usually a whimper of pain comes out. Seems like it’s genetic cause my moms is similar.
If it’s learned.. I have a question. So, I have 2 sisters and a brother. My dad sneezed loudAF. My sisters both sneeze like tiny mice. My brother and I sneeze like freight trains. So if it’s learned , why the difference?
Eh I exist somewhere in the infinite range inbetween. Probably a sick answer to give for someone who's genderfluid or whatever concept is associated with being inbetween male and female
I’m a woman who naturally sneezes like a freight train, but I trained myself to sneeze at a higher pitch to sound less masculine. It’s not completely subconscious. Women are subconsciously pushed towards being more “feminine” in everything we do.
It’s definitely possible to do all of those things without engaging one’s vocal cords 😅 (maybe except burping, I can’t comment on that one because I can’t burp)
I am and always have been a loud sneezer. It is even recorded when i was 18 mos. I have tried covering my nose and holding back but I definitely can’t hold it back because it hurts. It feels better to be able to just have a sneeze and not try and control it but if i am in a meeting or important situation I cover with tissue if i have time or hands if i can wash.
Because people who have made a major switch from being estrogen dominant to testosterone dominant (or vise versa) have felt the change.
This doesn't mean all men can never feel cold. People have individual differences. It means if you took estrogen and got to a cis female range then you would feel colder than you do now.
I thought we already knew this. A. On average women are smaller and smaller things lose heat quicker. B. On average less muscle in women and more fat so colder. C. Less testosterone
I thought this was already pretty established science based on research from decades ago. Basically women’s core (internal organs) temperature is more stable than men’s, and that stability comes at the expense of their peripheral temperature (extremities like fingers and toes). The mechanism is that hormones trigger vasoconstriction is peripheral capillaries when their core gets cold, reducing blood flow to extremities and keeping most of the heat in the chest and abdominal cavity. Evolutionarily, the mechanism exists to keep a fetus (who is very temperature sensitive) alive when temperatures drop, because men don’t face the same sort of differential reproductive success from cold. A related finding is that men are more vulnerable to hypothermia than women, because while they feel warmer, they’re actually losing heat through their extremities.
My theory on that is women are born with the ability give birth so I imagine blood vessels and everything centralizes around that need and desire. Where as men don’t have that biological requirement, blood travels to the extremities more, so more
Muscle, more heat where people feel the cold more. But I imagine women’s blood circulation is much more centralized on account of a reproductive cycle.
My 9th grade biology teacher said that women needed to keep their core warm for procreating, whereas men needed their extremities warm for hunting. Sounded good to a 14 yr old.
So, a buncha guys thought that women couldn't possibly be cold and decided to...... [checks notes] ask mice. Lady mice are more reliable than lady humans. Gotcha. Way to science.
Basically trans women start to be more sensitive to the cold after becoming estrogen dominant and trans men become more sensitive to heat after becoming testosterone dominant.
People individually can still run hot or cold compared to others, but switching your dominant hormone profile comes with a lot of big changes, one of which being how your body regulates temperature.
It is! I always feel scientists should do more studies on trans people to learn about the human body.
Personally, I’m not an expert in the biology of temperature regulation, but my guess based on researching the effects of hormone treatment is the cause for this difference in temperature is the metabolism.
Testosterone dominance increases the body’s metabolism which improves appetite, promotes muscle growth, and often increases production of sweat. It also increases blood pressure, and high blood pressure can result in sweating and flushing which subjectively feels hot.
Did they give the bulkier males long pants and a coat, and the females skirts and plunging necklines? And then normalize small variants on these norms? Because if so, these science nerds might really be on to something...
That certainly doesn’t help matters but I am often freezing cold even when wearing leggings underneath jeans with thick socks and 3 to 4 layers under a coat. Living in New England has been hell for me my whole life. It does not matter how much I bundle up, I am cold from November to April.
GarbageCleric | 17 hours ago
I always assumed it was because women are generally smaller and less muscular.
So, it was like a mix for the cube-square in terms of heat loss and the fact that muscles burn energy, which generates heat.
I was recently reading that it's difficult for humans to build muscle because we need so many calories to feed our brains and fueling muscles you don't need is just a waste. Our bodies actively work to suppress unnecessary muscle mass, which is why we have to essentially convince our bodies that we NEED more muscles by working them to exhaustion.
phido3000 | 14 hours ago
Women are:
Rabada | 8 hours ago
Women have a greater* surface area to body mass ratio.
f23n09fnu0w | 2 hours ago
I thought they had more fat though. Wouldn't that help?
phido3000 | 2 hours ago
Yes and no.
Short period, yes. Long term no. It add mass, some insulation.
But fat isn't everywhere. Cold feet and hands are common women complaints, there is essentially no fat on your hands and fingers. Same with feet.
So often its not immediate.
My wife tends to have the opposite problem. She tends to overheat. Higher BMI than me, so even tho I put out maybe twice the heat, I can disipate it. She can't.. She gets flushed.
Throw in peri-menopause and you have some grumpy women that are too cold. Some grumpy women that are too hot and some that are swapping between them.
Arinussyyy | an hour ago
It depends on where not how much
ophel1a_ | 12 hours ago
Garbage cleric but high INT, try Wizard! Good info here.
GarbageCleric | 12 hours ago
It was a neat little rabbit hole of why gorillas are these vegan muscle monsters (gentle giants compared to chimps at least), while we stress out over macronutrients and have to work our asses off to be strong.
And its because we lost our hindgut, where gorillas have symbiotic bacteria that convert greens into protein. We didn't need it because we ate meat and started cooking which made digestion easier.
And the exercise thing is because we evolved to strictly cut unnecessary muscle mass compared to other apes because we needed those calories for our brains.
There's cool biochemistry involved, but I don't remember it.
ophel1a_ | 10 hours ago
HINDGUTS?? Oh my word, I'm headed down one next. Toodle-oo!
(And thanks again for sharing MOAR, pls feel free to continue.)
__Yakovlev__ | 5 hours ago
So theoretically, if we had those same bacteria would that mean we'd have more and easier muscle synthesis? Kinda like a super steroid by simply having a different gut biome, or do we miss some actual organs for this?
GarbageCleric | 2 hours ago
Oh, I may have been unclear.
The hindgut and the bacteria therein are why gorillas don't have to worry eating protein like we do. The bacteria break down the leaves and whatever and turn them into proteins, and then the gorilla digests the bacteria to get their protein.
It's similar to all herbivores, but managing the hindgut is apparently energetically intensive, and as omnivores who cook their food, we didn't need it any more, so we lost it.
So, it would help us build muscle in that we wouldn't need to worry about our mix of carbs, fat, and protein like we do. We could get swoll on salads.
But the main muscle building difference is myostatin, which actively suppresses unnecessary muscle growth. Humans have significantly higher levels than the other great apes.
Gorillas evolved and continue to live in environments with abundant food and they need to be able to beat ass at a moment's notice, so they have very low levels of myostatin inhibiting continuous muscle growth.
Human access to food was more precarious, and we needed that energy for our big brains, which we used to make weapons to beat ass with much less muscle power.
And this concludes my short essay on a great apes guide to beating ass...
ETA: Actually, access to food is a HUGE driver of great ape social structures too. Our closest relatives, chimps and bonobos split from each other about 2 million years ago (~5 million years after splitting from us).
They were apparently split by a change in flow of the Congo River. Food was relatively scarce north of the river, where chimps became the violent hierarchical sociopaths we all know and love. Food was plentiful south of the river, so bonobos created the matriarchal free love societies we know and love.
FlounderLast8610 | an hour ago
They do not convert greens to protein any more than we do. The extra room and added digestive speed just allows them to consume enough volume to get their needs. The reason you can’t get your daily protein requirements from leaves isn’t because there’s no protein in there it’s because you need to eat forty pounds of it a day and there’s no way you can digest all that
leilani238 | 11 hours ago
Honestly, if anything I'd guess that the testosterone-related temperature sensing evolved to help females keep the heat they need.
Fun-Can-8935 | 14 hours ago
which is why hugs are important
booty-butt-bareassed | 14 hours ago
I heavily concur!
ResponsibilityOk8967 | 15 hours ago
Oh this is why I take boiling hot showers.
Other than the skin proteins thing, anemia and hypothyroidism are both much, much more prevalent in women.
I haven't left my bed today because its finally 60° outside and I'm under a heated blanket. Lmao.
Gullible-Plenty-1172 | 18 hours ago
Trans girls on estrogen know the pain. Not because we are mice but because we are ice.
saltedomion | 17 hours ago
My brother on T always complains about being way too hot. I thought everyone was supposed to be a sweaty mess half the time but no, apparently thats just men in my family.
ProfessorEmergency18 | 15 hours ago
I'm a 43 y/o male, and my entir life I've always been on the verge of sweating. It takes very little to push me over.
7ddlysuns | 13 hours ago
I love hot coffee. But damn in the summer if it isn’t a sweat trigger
Previous-Artist-9252 | 14 hours ago
As a trans man, I went from being cold all the time to hot all the time when I started testosterone.
darkest_irish_lass | 15 hours ago
Do you have high blood pressure? When my father finally got pills for his blood pressure the rest of us were finally allowed to have the heat on in the winter.
Benegger85 | 11 hours ago
I always run hot, but my blood pressure is good every time it's checked.
I've got high cholesterol, my BMI isn't perfect, I could eat better and move more, but even my doctor commented that I always have a perfect blood pressure.
I'm still always hot though... And it's not socially acceptable to get undressed when I feel uncomfortable
Fuzzy-Jaguar-1828 | 12 hours ago
Not who you asked but my bp runs like 96/65 all the time and I am always freezing.
Odd-Outcome-3191 | 11 hours ago
And anyone who's blasted gear will know well the drenched sheets
Zizi_Tennenbaum | 13 hours ago
Yup when my friend transitioned she texted me one day “Okay weird question - are girl ALWAYS freezing??” Also gay bars are always cranking the air conditioning because it’s mostly dudes.
Hot-Chip6034 | 13 hours ago
I used to be one of those stand outside in a blizzard for a cigarette taking my time in flip flops shorts and a t-shirt. Now im freezing at 50 degrees since hrt had its effects.
Drewid36 | 16 hours ago
E makes your skin thinner, and I imagine that plays a role in retaining heat.
Servethebeam19 | 14 hours ago
Not me, I overheat soooo quickly. It’s super annoying considering I live in Texas.
4imprint-Certain | 18 hours ago
Ice queens unite!
Ifckinglovemycat | 8 hours ago
I'm ftm and the main question I'm getting from my family on my transition these days is "aren't you cold ???" "is this all you're wearing ??"
lordsyringe | 15 hours ago
Question: how come men sneeze are so much louder more dramatic
indicabunny | 12 hours ago
My boyfriend scream sneezes like some banshee out of hell and I will die on the hill that it’s NOT something he can’t control. He just never had anyone admonish him for making such ridiculous, high pitched screams in public because people don’t mind when men make noise. So now he thinks his unfettered instincts are actual needs and compulsions instead of just the lack of self control that they are.
mahboilucas | 10 hours ago
Yeah i curbed that in my best friend. Literally every time he scream sneezed, spat in public or farted loud around me I'd just walk out. He'd get annoyed and I'd say he's making me seriously uncomfortable by doing it on purpose as if I'm supposed to take awful smell, disgusting bodily fluids and being startled for fun.
He went from saying it's natural and something he can't change to actually fucking controlling it. Because i never stopped pointing it out and he respects me too much to keep making me feel uncomfortable
OneWayToLivComic | 3 hours ago
I was about to say i also (as a woman) sneeze loud as fuck and i cannot control it because i get like a half second warning before I must sneeze
But yeah I don't fart or shit myself while sneezing um wtf
mahboilucas | 24 minutes ago
Sneezing loud is fine, it's the random screaming that gets me all shook lol are the lungs and vocal cords somehow connected or what
indicabunny | 8 hours ago
Yes the loud burping, farting, whatever disgusting noises men think they’re entitled to subject people to are absolutely a choice. It’s not natural. It’s fucking gross and I also will consistently call men out or leave the room when they do it. It’s not funny, like imagine having so little shame or self awareness because you’ve spent your whole life being coddled and not taught basic manners? I won’t stand for it.
mahboilucas | 4 hours ago
The guy i was mentioning just burst into the break room talking loudly on his phone. The entitlement to take over every space is insane. This space is usually claimed as a quiet one. He's always super loud and I'm so tired of men thinking it's acceptable.
When you take calls at corporate go somewhere else plz. I want to have refuge somewhere from the noise. Don't follow me to the places we all claim to be quiet and ruin it. I don't want to have to resort to resting in the toilet. People even take naps here :/ it's like 3rd time he's coming here for a loud yap. Same goes for the men watching tiktoks on full volume here. Only men at our company. Literally
CancelThaN0ise | 10 hours ago
> instead of just the lack of self control that they are.
Honestly I don't even think it's lack of self control, I think it's more about the desire for attention.
indicabunny | 8 hours ago
Yes, lack of impulse control and a need to be the center of attention at all times are exactly what lead to a scream sneezer. It’s a physical manifestation of main character syndrome.
Ok_Duck_232 | 3 hours ago
if we allow women to be bitches because of pms can at least men sneeze loudly?
TactiFail | 14 hours ago
For me personally, it’s a socially acceptable opportunity to make a louder noise than any other dads who may be in the area
phido3000 | 14 hours ago
No inhibition, much larger and more powerful resparation system.
Men will often ignore signs until it overwhelms them.
BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo | 12 hours ago
Have you never seen/heard a man do the really aggressive nose rub thing when they have allergies or just general their nose is bothering them? It’s crazy loud and so dramatic!! Like, just got blow your nose in the bathroom so I don’t have to hear it, plus you need to wash your hands after that.
SoftballLesbian | 14 hours ago
It's not just men. I've frightened small children.
Misty_Esoterica | 13 hours ago
Same, I am so loud!
Misty_Esoterica | 13 hours ago
Same, I am so loud!
gamerprincess007 | 7 hours ago
I've frightened all my grown male friends for what it's worth
dixonwalsh | 14 hours ago
Fun fact: it’s all learned. Sneezes are not vocalised by default. So all those annoyingly loud sneezers in your life are doing it on purpose.
Honest_Chipmunk_8563 | 14 hours ago
My husband scream-sneezes. It’s very startling. So I started doing it at home so he could experience it. It is very startling to him, too. But he’s sure he cannot stop.
So everyone will be startled forever.
725Cali | 13 hours ago
Same with my husband. He says he can’t do it any other way. And I know it’s not healthy to hold back a sneeze or try to stop it, so I don’t say anything anymore, but I can’t believe there isn’t an effective way for him to sneeze without be so startlingly loud.
Dont_burnurpimpsteak | 11 hours ago
I am a woman and I LOUD sneeze. It is better when i can just sneeze and not hold back. I will if we are out but sometimes it hurts and it always uncomfortable.
No_Accountant3232 | 11 hours ago
Sometimes I wonder if it's actually an uncontrollable tic
Killahdanks1 | 13 hours ago
My wife does this at home. In public it’s like a cartoon mouse. Why do we torment the ones we love?!
/s
EFIW1560 | 14 hours ago
I am dying laughing about your solution. I love the acceptance.
indicabunny | 12 hours ago
He’s lying. He’s never tried to do it any other way because why would he? It’s his RIGHT to startle and hurt the ears of everyone in his vicinity because he’s a man
Honest_Chipmunk_8563 | 11 hours ago
Hahaha he said he’s tried but maybe it’s just weaponized incompetence!
Just_another_grumble | 9 hours ago
muscle memory? I mislearned engaging vocal cords while trying to keep in a sneeze and it makes it louder. I have to consciously remember to relax my voice, but most of the time, not quickly enough for the first sneeze. I must return to Wash's method: "like a leaf on the wind"
Honest_Chipmunk_8563 | 9 hours ago
Why would you make me cry like this??
Phine420 | 6 hours ago
Thats finishled
mahboilucas | 10 hours ago
At my quiet workplace there's this super annoying older guy who does it. It's constant. As a woman I'm a burst sneezer, I'm not quiet either but i don't scream when i do it. I might actually talk to our leader if he's doing it as some power trip or fun because i genuinely don't get the vocalization he seems to add every time. Like almost audibly screaming ATSCHOOOO. My brother did it when we were on bad terms and he wanted to taunt me.
No one needs it at a corporate setting... If he actually can't stop, i guess one could let it be. But I'm not fully convinced. It's just such a man thing to do. I managed to get my best friend to finally stop spitting after he claimed it's impossible for him. I literally would stop walking and walk back if he did. Guess it's not impossible after all. Same way he's not scream sneezing either as of now. He says he was just used to it and didn't realize it's rude to people.
But as i said, if it's someone's only way to be — sure. But if you knew his personality maybe you'd also wonder if it's on purpose.
Temporary_Spread7882 | 14 hours ago
I invite you to see a baby sneeze. While they may not say “at-choo”, it’s pretty damn loud.
THEdoomslayer94 | 12 hours ago
There’s no way this girl I went to high school with was willingly choosing to sneeze like an elephant. You could hear her from down the hall and she was always embarassed
Either-Meal3724 | 14 hours ago
That doesn't make sense. My 11 month old son has had annoyingly loud sneezes since birth. Idk how a newborn can do that on purpose.
Anxious-Bluebird-470 | 13 hours ago
they probably won't keep that sneeze once they start socializing more, it's learned over time like an accent
Either-Meal3724 | 12 hours ago
I suspect its tongue posture at least in my sons case. My son doesnt hold rear of his tongue to the roof of his mouth when at rest very well. I had a lot of trouble with nursing him at first because of his tongue posture-- needed nipple shields. I suspect he has a posterior tongue tie inhibiting rear elevation but ive had him looked at multiple times and its technically normal (plan to have him looked at again if speech is impacted). I dont think socializing will fix tongue posture / palate anatomy.
gitstonky | 12 hours ago
I kinda agree, i used to sneeze very daintily, but after spending more time with my dad i started scream-sneezing like him and honestly, it feels better? I still tend to sneeze gently when out and about, but at home my sneezes are louder/more obnoxious. usually followed by a groan! pretty sure there's some science that vocalisations can make us feel better when sick, like groaning when sick can make you feel better? as opposed to repressing the urge to vocally express your discomfort.
TheMuttOfMainStreet | 13 hours ago
Bullshit my face goes off like a shotgun and my head would explode if I held it back
lordsyringe | 14 hours ago
Ehh look im down to blame men for a lot in our generationally patriarchal societies, but this aint fully it. As a man myself, i have to be conscious and I learnt online to not take deep breaths etc before a sneeze to reduce my glass shattering sneeze effects (exaggerated). My gf does a "shii" - and thats it; and I'm jealous of that. Like the other person said Im sure larger resperation systems could also play a part. I can and havr reduced my sneeze volumes but i can never reach a "shi-" level lol.
captnmiss | 5 hours ago
I dk man. My sneezes are involuntary, sudden, and physically violent. For some reason my body just puts all its force into it and the recoil and it fucking HURTS to sneeze, I dread it. I’m not loud about it but usually a whimper of pain comes out. Seems like it’s genetic cause my moms is similar.
No_Grab_2368 | 12 hours ago
If it’s learned.. I have a question. So, I have 2 sisters and a brother. My dad sneezed loudAF. My sisters both sneeze like tiny mice. My brother and I sneeze like freight trains. So if it’s learned , why the difference?
_iamacat | 11 hours ago
You male or female?
meisteronimo | 9 hours ago
Probably.
Arinussyyy | an hour ago
0 or 1?
Eh I exist somewhere in the infinite range inbetween. Probably a sick answer to give for someone who's genderfluid or whatever concept is associated with being inbetween male and female
melanochrysum | 5 hours ago
I’m a woman who naturally sneezes like a freight train, but I trained myself to sneeze at a higher pitch to sound less masculine. It’s not completely subconscious. Women are subconsciously pushed towards being more “feminine” in everything we do.
LukewarmJortz | 12 hours ago
My mil is so fucking loud when she sneezes. She also audibly spits when she brushes her teeth and her burps are loud and chunky.
Idk if it's just because she's old or what but it's so gross.
She told me I have the quietest sneezes and burps. I have normal sneezes and burps. I just don't force them.
dixonwalsh | 12 hours ago
It’s definitely possible to do all of those things without engaging one’s vocal cords 😅 (maybe except burping, I can’t comment on that one because I can’t burp)
LukewarmJortz | 12 hours ago
That's just the bitch eating crackers nasty shit. Stuff that's like well that's icky but whatever.
She is actually just gross overall.
Dont_burnurpimpsteak | 11 hours ago
I am and always have been a loud sneezer. It is even recorded when i was 18 mos. I have tried covering my nose and holding back but I definitely can’t hold it back because it hurts. It feels better to be able to just have a sneeze and not try and control it but if i am in a meeting or important situation I cover with tissue if i have time or hands if i can wash.
meisteronimo | 9 hours ago
It feels 100 times better to sneeze loud. I hate stuffeling a sneeze, it kinda hurts.
Redtwintails | 8 hours ago
Can confirm you can retrain it
Nheea | 5 hours ago
They are. My mom and my husband could shatter windows. I hate it.
HexspaReloaded | 10 hours ago
Learned doesn’t mean on purpose.
gitsgrl | an hour ago
Because they don’t care as much about bothering those around them.
Princesa_de_Penguins | 17 hours ago
Yup, I was personally convinced years ago that it's testosterone / hormonal due to changes trans friends talked about
roygbivasaur | 14 hours ago
I’m always cold and I’m a 6’1” 195lb cis man with normal testosterone. 🤷
Some_Ear_8539 | 14 hours ago
Testosterone is not the only hormone in the body
roygbivasaur | 13 hours ago
Right but the person I responded to and several other people on this post were specifically talking about testosterone and estrogen
noeinan | 11 hours ago
Because people who have made a major switch from being estrogen dominant to testosterone dominant (or vise versa) have felt the change.
This doesn't mean all men can never feel cold. People have individual differences. It means if you took estrogen and got to a cis female range then you would feel colder than you do now.
roygbivasaur | an hour ago
That's fair. I don't know enough about HRT to know if that's correct, but it sounds like it makes sense.
deathbychips2 | 12 hours ago
I thought we already knew this. A. On average women are smaller and smaller things lose heat quicker. B. On average less muscle in women and more fat so colder. C. Less testosterone
nostrademons | an hour ago
I thought this was already pretty established science based on research from decades ago. Basically women’s core (internal organs) temperature is more stable than men’s, and that stability comes at the expense of their peripheral temperature (extremities like fingers and toes). The mechanism is that hormones trigger vasoconstriction is peripheral capillaries when their core gets cold, reducing blood flow to extremities and keeping most of the heat in the chest and abdominal cavity. Evolutionarily, the mechanism exists to keep a fetus (who is very temperature sensitive) alive when temperatures drop, because men don’t face the same sort of differential reproductive success from cold. A related finding is that men are more vulnerable to hypothermia than women, because while they feel warmer, they’re actually losing heat through their extremities.
SlicedBreadBeast | 16 hours ago
My theory on that is women are born with the ability give birth so I imagine blood vessels and everything centralizes around that need and desire. Where as men don’t have that biological requirement, blood travels to the extremities more, so more
Muscle, more heat where people feel the cold more. But I imagine women’s blood circulation is much more centralized on account of a reproductive cycle.
Pizza-n-Coffee37 | 15 hours ago
My 9th grade biology teacher said that women needed to keep their core warm for procreating, whereas men needed their extremities warm for hunting. Sounded good to a 14 yr old.
banannafreckle | 13 hours ago
Hot balls aren’t good for procreation.
captnmiss | 4 hours ago
Except it’s flawed because the research studies have shown that throughout history women have hunted and trapped and snared as much as men.
In fact, grandmothers were actually the tribes most prized hunters historically.
The “men hunted” thing is a myth.
Link
chefmonster | 12 hours ago
So, a buncha guys thought that women couldn't possibly be cold and decided to...... [checks notes] ask mice. Lady mice are more reliable than lady humans. Gotcha. Way to science.
Kay.
janet_nyx | 7 hours ago
What about the trumpet sounding nose blowing dads seem to have mastered ?
noeinan | 11 hours ago
Any trans person on hrt can tell you hormones are the cause.
Fenris_Icefang | 9 hours ago
Please elaborate.
noeinan | 9 hours ago
Basically trans women start to be more sensitive to the cold after becoming estrogen dominant and trans men become more sensitive to heat after becoming testosterone dominant.
People individually can still run hot or cold compared to others, but switching your dominant hormone profile comes with a lot of big changes, one of which being how your body regulates temperature.
Fenris_Icefang | 9 hours ago
That’s fascinating. Why do the hormones cause this. What exact effect inside the body do they have to cause this effect?
noeinan | 9 hours ago
It is! I always feel scientists should do more studies on trans people to learn about the human body.
Personally, I’m not an expert in the biology of temperature regulation, but my guess based on researching the effects of hormone treatment is the cause for this difference in temperature is the metabolism.
Testosterone dominance increases the body’s metabolism which improves appetite, promotes muscle growth, and often increases production of sweat. It also increases blood pressure, and high blood pressure can result in sweating and flushing which subjectively feels hot.
This article on testosterone therapy discusses the effects of testosterone and body temperature more in depth if you are interested. They have a matching article about estrogen therapy.
stablefish | 11 hours ago
Did they give the bulkier males long pants and a coat, and the females skirts and plunging necklines? And then normalize small variants on these norms? Because if so, these science nerds might really be on to something...
rhaegal82 | 11 hours ago
That certainly doesn’t help matters but I am often freezing cold even when wearing leggings underneath jeans with thick socks and 3 to 4 layers under a coat. Living in New England has been hell for me my whole life. It does not matter how much I bundle up, I am cold from November to April.
Ouroboros567 | 14 hours ago
As a small woman, I've always run warm since I was a kid. No hormone issues that I know of...
CyanCitadel | 7 hours ago
Forwarding this to my fiancee
ConnectedVeil | 50 minutes ago
Women get cold more easily? You don't say? News to me!
Signed,
Every man missing hoodies and getting cold feet placed upon them unexpectedly
jhuseby | 14 hours ago
Remind the lady mice they can just put more layers on, but the guy mice can only take so many layers off.
SwampProphetess | 11 hours ago
Leave mice alone.