It's just too arbitrary of a term, google images disagrees with your definition. Those men are clearly overweight, which has a plethora of negative health effects ranging from cardiovascular and metabolic to hormonal, musculoskeletal, respiratory, gastrointestinal, renal, reproductive...
The definition is a fair balance between muscle and fat from
>March 2015 by Mackenzie Pearson, a 19-year-old Clemson University student, in a viral essay titled "Why Girls Love The Dad Bod" published on The Odyssey Online.
It's a body young girls tend to like due to highly protective nature of the physique but also reminding them of dads which doubles that psychological affect. (I didn't write this a girl did don't @ me.)
Basically a dude that works out but doesn't obsess about it to be a whiny bitchy chad wannabe. A gut that says they still drink and have fun.
There you go who the fuck gets a definition from google images?
For a quick search of images of what a DAD BOD is google: Gay Bear. Same thing almost. That's sort of it. Remove some of that crazy hair and bam that's a dad bod.
That Wiki definition is agreeing with me, thanks for proving my point. I said he was muscular and let himself go a bit.
>The phrase has been adopted in American culture to describe the physique of a man who was once athletic, or moderately fit, but now has a "beer belly" or "spare tire" (i.e., he has gained a noticeable amount of body fat around the waist as he aged, leading to abdominal obesity), but the arms, legs, and chest are usually in relatively good shape.
And no I didn't think that second link was what a dad bod is. You understand just because they don't look like the images you showed doesn't mean they're as fit as that guy right?
Interesting new observational study out of Finland (University of Oulu) looking at coffee’s relationship with body comp and sex hormones.
The most notable callout: coffee drinkers showed lower visceral/total fat and higher muscle mass, even when BMI was identical across groups. They also found a distinct sex-hormone response (higher total testosterone/SHBG in men, though free T was slightly lower; higher SHBG in women).
Obviously observational so correlation doesn't equal causation here but given Finland’s huge coffee intake, it's a solid dataset. Curious to hear people's thoughts on the SHBG elevation vs. free androgen split, or if anyone's seen similar metabolic shifts in other studies.
I think when you break it down you see it's largely correlation.
Identical BMIs but lower fat/higher muscle in coffee drinkers already suggests a lot of lifestyle differences.
Higher t and higher shbg would be expected in those with a better quality BMI as they are more active.
A healthy and active lifestyle can benefit from moderate caffeine intake. Not that caffeine itself is leading that charge.
Not disputing the results, I just think it's repeating what we already know. Same with nicotine. It can be a positive addition to a healthy individual, but tolerances grow.
I wish coffee = hot and fit, but it's more likely that someone who puts in effort to drink coffee or be focused might also put in effort into other things.
Finland and scandanavians in general are more svelt because of their lifestyle. So observational data in a country were the dataset is already healthy say nothing.
Gi to the UK or the US: do observational studies there.
another point to make is what beverages do you think non-coffee drinkers are drinking? I doubt for the majority of them they're drinking water or tea as a substitute.
I think we now have all the evidence to be able to definitively state that moderate consumption of coffee (not caffeine) in a healthy individual in the long term is not harmful in the worst case scenario
Yuh I agree. I think caffeine itself, in moderate amounts, has a significant and curious spectrum of effects. Unfortunately, it's always been demonized as an addictive alkaloid, a bit like nicotine which in my opinion could at least be studied more thoroughly.
That doesn't change the fact that the coffee phytocomplex is sum entirely different, and goes much further than caffeine + CGA + other polyphenols. Depending on the roasting level, recent studies show that it's truly full of interesting molecules that could contribute to the entourage effect
What if hypothetically a separate observation notices coffee drinkers have 50% more liver issues or colon cancer than non-drinkers? I wouldn’t call this one study as “all the evidence”
I completely understand what u’re saying. My statement is obv not supported by only this study. I've studied practically all the medical literature on coffee from the early 1900s to today, and I think we can agree that between studies demonstrating benefits, neutral studies, and studies reporting side effects, we can deduce that in a healthy individual with no underlying pathologies, in the worst-case scenario, it won't do anything
dungeoncrawler71520 | a day ago
looks down at dad bod
ShinyHardcore | a day ago
Yea but it could be worse
coffee_warden | a day ago
Imagine if you werent drinking coffee!!
julier901 | a day ago
Looks down at fat bod
AFewBerries | a day ago
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Dad bod means muscular guy that let himself go a bit, not skinny fat dude
qcb4056 | a day ago
I have been confused about that term for years.
gemanepa | a day ago
It's just too arbitrary of a term, google images disagrees with your definition. Those men are clearly overweight, which has a plethora of negative health effects ranging from cardiovascular and metabolic to hormonal, musculoskeletal, respiratory, gastrointestinal, renal, reproductive...
Helldiver_of_Mars | 22 hours ago
The definition is a fair balance between muscle and fat from
>March 2015 by Mackenzie Pearson, a 19-year-old Clemson University student, in a viral essay titled "Why Girls Love The Dad Bod" published on The Odyssey Online.
It's a body young girls tend to like due to highly protective nature of the physique but also reminding them of dads which doubles that psychological affect. (I didn't write this a girl did don't @ me.)
Basically a dude that works out but doesn't obsess about it to be a whiny bitchy chad wannabe. A gut that says they still drink and have fun.
There you go who the fuck gets a definition from google images?
For a quick search of images of what a DAD BOD is google: Gay Bear. Same thing almost. That's sort of it. Remove some of that crazy hair and bam that's a dad bod.
AFewBerries | a day ago
Google images disagrees because people don't know what it means.
gemanepa | a day ago
Well, wikipedia seems to fit more google images than what your definition seems to be
AFewBerries | a day ago
That Wiki definition is agreeing with me, thanks for proving my point. I said he was muscular and let himself go a bit.
>The phrase has been adopted in American culture to describe the physique of a man who was once athletic, or moderately fit, but now has a "beer belly" or "spare tire" (i.e., he has gained a noticeable amount of body fat around the waist as he aged, leading to abdominal obesity), but the arms, legs, and chest are usually in relatively good shape.
And no I didn't think that second link was what a dad bod is. You understand just because they don't look like the images you showed doesn't mean they're as fit as that guy right?
PM-MEANYTHANG | a day ago
In newer times dad bod is henry cavill roided up
AFewBerries | a day ago
Most people think it means dude who never lifted a weight in his life who turned skinny fat or just fat as he got older. Like what this guy thinks.
Ozdad | 23 hours ago
Define 'a bit'
AttonJRand | 23 hours ago
It doesn't really mean anything.
People even use the term to describe Hollywood actors on steroids.
MentalDisintegrat1on | a day ago
Just upgrade to cocaine that belly will be gone in no time.
TheCybro | a day ago
Heard.
Regurgitator001 | 22 hours ago
As a coffee drinker, I find myself particularly with never enough coffee.
[OP] Deep-Owl-1890 | a day ago
Interesting new observational study out of Finland (University of Oulu) looking at coffee’s relationship with body comp and sex hormones.
The most notable callout: coffee drinkers showed lower visceral/total fat and higher muscle mass, even when BMI was identical across groups. They also found a distinct sex-hormone response (higher total testosterone/SHBG in men, though free T was slightly lower; higher SHBG in women).
Obviously observational so correlation doesn't equal causation here but given Finland’s huge coffee intake, it's a solid dataset. Curious to hear people's thoughts on the SHBG elevation vs. free androgen split, or if anyone's seen similar metabolic shifts in other studies.
RichSexyVeryHumble | a day ago
I think when you break it down you see it's largely correlation.
Identical BMIs but lower fat/higher muscle in coffee drinkers already suggests a lot of lifestyle differences.
Higher t and higher shbg would be expected in those with a better quality BMI as they are more active.
A healthy and active lifestyle can benefit from moderate caffeine intake. Not that caffeine itself is leading that charge.
Not disputing the results, I just think it's repeating what we already know. Same with nicotine. It can be a positive addition to a healthy individual, but tolerances grow.
redditsuckbutt696969 | a day ago
I wish coffee = hot and fit, but it's more likely that someone who puts in effort to drink coffee or be focused might also put in effort into other things.
Or it's aliens, you can never disprove aliens.
Strict-Brick-5274 | a day ago
Finland and scandanavians in general are more svelt because of their lifestyle. So observational data in a country were the dataset is already healthy say nothing. Gi to the UK or the US: do observational studies there.
darthlincoln01 | 21 hours ago
another point to make is what beverages do you think non-coffee drinkers are drinking? I doubt for the majority of them they're drinking water or tea as a substitute.
Scared_Weird6087 | a day ago
I think we now have all the evidence to be able to definitively state that moderate consumption of coffee (not caffeine) in a healthy individual in the long term is not harmful in the worst case scenario
Sea-Ambition-451 | a day ago
caffeine in coffee does has a positive effect for dementia, in a 40 year study. It had to be caffeinated, decaf had no effect.
Scared_Weird6087 | a day ago
Yuh I agree. I think caffeine itself, in moderate amounts, has a significant and curious spectrum of effects. Unfortunately, it's always been demonized as an addictive alkaloid, a bit like nicotine which in my opinion could at least be studied more thoroughly.
That doesn't change the fact that the coffee phytocomplex is sum entirely different, and goes much further than caffeine + CGA + other polyphenols. Depending on the roasting level, recent studies show that it's truly full of interesting molecules that could contribute to the entourage effect
Accidental-Genius | a day ago
A neurologist friend of mine told me “nicotine is a great drug with terrible delivery systems”
I found that super interesting.
sjebanizajeban | a day ago
What if hypothetically a separate observation notices coffee drinkers have 50% more liver issues or colon cancer than non-drinkers? I wouldn’t call this one study as “all the evidence”
Scared_Weird6087 | a day ago
I completely understand what u’re saying. My statement is obv not supported by only this study. I've studied practically all the medical literature on coffee from the early 1900s to today, and I think we can agree that between studies demonstrating benefits, neutral studies, and studies reporting side effects, we can deduce that in a healthy individual with no underlying pathologies, in the worst-case scenario, it won't do anything
sjebanizajeban | a day ago
Oh thats nice to hear haha, i drink espresso semi-regularly
Accidental-Genius | a day ago
Filter it with a simple paper filter to get the LDL out of it and you’re good to go.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2029499/
Brainchild110 | a day ago
We're Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
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jeksand | a day ago
Maybe with no cream or sugar. And also, coffee raises cortisol levels, which is associated with increased belly fat. So…which study to believe?
Accidental-Genius | a day ago
Lot of coffee studies and headlines lately. I wonder what the coffee lobby is up to.
costafilh0 | a day ago
Sponsored by Big Coffee
el_condor_nm | a day ago
I am T-Rex.
beebeereebozo | a day ago
James Hoffmann is the counterfactual.
DrachenDad | a day ago
This dad has a dad bod, and is confused about this post.
SnooStories4162 | a day ago
This is a study clearly paid for by the coffee industry.
myblueear | a day ago
I know 🕺
JediKrys | a day ago
Blubbers coffee out of mouth in metabolic disorder…..
Away-Concentrate-946 | 22 hours ago
Is that the correlation or is it just that they don't sleep 12 hours a day and are genuinely more productive and active.
Sea-Ambition-451 | a day ago
except for Java the Hutt
waffle299 | a day ago
The shakes build muscles !
costafilh0 | a day ago
Negative effects of coffee
Death
Cardiac arrest
Severe arrhythmias
Seizures
Rhabdomyolysis
Kidney injury
Psychosis
Hallucinations
Miscarriage
Low birth weight
Severe metabolic disturbances
Tachycardia
Palpitations
Insomnia
Anxiety
Tremors
Nausea
Reflux
Diarrhea
Headache
Increased urination
Reduced iron absorption
Higher cholesterol
Withdrawal symptoms
Strict-Brick-5274 | a day ago
Is this the case or are the people who responded to the study happen to be less fat and have good muscle comp and also drink coffee?
byebyebrain | a day ago
Because they don't eat food. They just drink coffee. It's not a good nutritional journey to be on
shiningdickhalloran | a day ago
How are they gaining muscle by drinking coffee?
louisa1925 | a day ago
All that cup lifting must count for something.