What about DNS buying/hosting? Seems it's not mentioned (neither is emailing besides transactional/marketing). I'm currently on DNSimple but been trying to replace it with some closer to home (Europe) alternative that still offers the same level of possible automation as DNSimple does, anyone know of any that fits the bill?
It's not European, rather a New Zealand company but I find https://zonomi.com/ pretty good. There's a Lego resolver that works fine https://github.com/go-acme/lego - although my only complaint is the DNS propagation takes a while though I suspect that's a my config problem (dig will show the txt record long before Lego sees it)
Wow, I'd never heard of Zonomi, or RimuHosting (which appears to be the parent company). Data centers in NZ & Oz & UK & Germany, and the website gives me the vibe of those customer focused companies of the late 90s / early 2000s, probably because they started in 2002. Pricing is a little more than I'd like, but I'm just pleased to see alternatives like this in Oceania.
I've used their (same family of company) email hosting services lightly in the past and found that to work well also. For the DNS I'm paying like $1 a month which is probably more than it needs to be, but sufficiently low that I'm happy to support small/local business. I'm also reasonably confident I could get a response if anything ever goes wrong, untested as nothing has so far.
I've just been moving some domains of cloudflare. I moved some to hetzner dns (works fine). Then i got recomended deSEC which is it's own open source project. But for one domain i needed CNAME for apex (or ANAME/ALIAS record) so that i moved to bunny.net. I think Bunny is pretty good replacement for many features of cloudflare.
On Herzner add Dokploy (Honduras, I prefer this even if it's not European) or Coolify (Hungary) to get a Vercel-like PaaS experience for free. Any others that are good?
I don't think that's an alternative to US hyperscalers. Scaleway is the closest thing there is. Replacing a single service with 10 others is not really an alternative in my opinion.
I would argue that with AI, this becomes less of an issue. Connect N services, deploy to bare metal. Granted, AI is an additional cost now local or remote. But so is the MacBook people use to develop their software.
Not putting all your eggs in one basket is a good choice. I think the AWS service catalog makes you adopt more than you need or want anyway, it is a great way of locking people into one vendor.
Either way, one of the most critical parts is that many are still hosting on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft, therefore you are not 100% insulated from Cloud Act.
Take Tally (tally.so), the one I took the time to check.
In their footer they say: Made and hosted in the EU which technically it's not wrong, but since they are using Google Cloud and Cloudflare, they are not insulated from the effect of the CLOUD Act.
I know it's boring to comment and say that something sounds like it was written by an AI, but this sounds like it was written by an AI. I am often especially suspicious of these listicle recommendation sites because it's pretty cheap and easy to have dozens of sites doing some list which just so happens to mention a specific service that 'quietly' does a 'surprisingly good job' of some doodad. This kind of submarine advertising feels like it might be quite common. Although in this case it seems they're trying more for a 'sponsorship' thing - 'our website got X views in Y days, sponsor us, random company!'
I recently came across https://tropes.fyi/directory which has a pretty solid set of common patterns, and I like it a lot. The pattern that always really bothers me is the one named "short punchy fragments", for example from the site “He published this. Openly. In a book. As a priest.”
It kills me every time. I automatically lose any interest in the substance and often just throw away the whole conversation!
When will AI generated content have been prevalent enough for it to be consumed more than traditional content - and can we at that point consider humans the ones being trained, especially new humans, such that next gen human generated content clearly is heavily influenced by slop?
I myself already feel like my style is being influenced by all conversations I've had with LLM, if not influenced by their responses, at last influenced by how I talk to it.
I sometimes wonder if much upcoming human creative work will be quite avant-garde, out there, ultra-stylised and/or difficult to comprehend (or even devoid of intent or message), as a reaction to AI's sort of 'common denominator' approach.
> can we at that point consider humans the ones being trained, especially new humans, such that next gen human generated content clearly is heavily influenced by slop?
Already happened, most of the internet pre-AI was just human-generated SEO-optimized slop created by underpaid content writers in third world countries. All those listicles, informaticals, etc, are now currently being used to train AI, but before that, they were what "trained" humans.
any good reason to serve the EU? I am observing through various SaaS and support tickets and EU seem no average way more finicky and stingy than North American customers not to mention the absurd level of EU regulations you have to follow just to serve the same product at a much higher cost.
It's like a bad mix of culture (bordering on arrogance and pathological in some bad cases) and over regulation.
I always advise clients to avoid the EU at launch and focus on UK if they really want to do a test run and encourage them to focus on East Asia instead.
You'd think Europe is this affluent and sophisticated customer demographic but again and again from data I see it couldn't be further from the truth.
Yeah you just allow setting a new passkey by sending an email link, just like password resets. Passkeys don't have to be remembered, can't be phished, and don't need 2FA.
That's highly misleading to outright misinformation.
> Passkeys don't have to be remembered
Because you need an app for the login flow. You also don't have to remember passwords if you use a password manager app.
> don't need 2FA
Not true, a second factor in the form of eg a biometric ID or PIN is mandatory.
Phishing resistance exists, but only truly so if you completely surrender control over your device and access to your credentials. Something that the same organizations who you'll depend on for Passkeys are actively pushing for through various initiatives.
No it is not. You’re free to save passkeys in your manager of choice and it still won’t let you use a passkey on the wrong website. Users are freed from having to copy&paste TOTPs. No app other than a browser needed.
Passkeys cannot be cryptographically reset, but plenty of providers have account recovery flows in case you lose your passkey. Without a recovery mechanism you’d be technically locked out, that’s true.
All I know is I have about a dozen sites that think I have a passkey that I can neither find nor replace, and I have another few that allow only one passkey per device even if I have multiple logins.
Yeah, the whole point of passkeys is for the user to not be able to control them. You're at the provider's mercy if you want to switch to another device.
Yes, thank you! It’s so annoying how frequently that typo gets me, and my brain just skips over it. I’ve updated it above. And I also preferred SendInBlue!
After Sendgrid got acquired by Twilio and retired their free plan, i also went with Brevo and am quite happy with it. No deliverability issues on the major email operators (Google, MS365) at all, decent delivery speed.
Indeed, but we're talking about transactional/newsletter email providers here, which isn't what Fastmail is for, and beware it's a violation of their terms to use their product for that [1]:
> The Services are not designed for sending automated or transactional emails. It is a violation of these Terms to use the Services to send programmatically generated emails to addresses that are outside your Customer Account.
You are missing https://unikraft.com/pricing. Amazing compute, 2 instances free. A German company. Offers EU hosting too. Just a happy paying user myself
They focus on compute only. Otherwise roughly the same thing, but you get amazing performance with their own technology (from research, part of the Linux Foundation) to boot, sleep, and wake instances up in bare milliseconds.
You deploy using a Dockerfile, or Docker Compose.
Definitely suggest you give it a shot. The free plan is a no-brainer for the performance you get. We are on the team plan at https://www.sourcemeta.com
Hm, interesting. But the pricing page is quite confusing to me: the $39 "pro plan" says "Up to 8 instances running". And above that, "Pricing that scales to zero". But if I'm always paying $39, what's the point of scaling to zero vs just keeping the 8 instances running? I guess the point is that you can scale down one workload and scale up another, but that seems a bit niche compared to the much more common use case of "scale up with increased user activity, and pay less when users are sleeping".
It's missing some sort of per-minute / per-GB RAM "pay as you go" pricing model. It seems like Fly.io, but missing the pay-as-you-go pricing & rapid scaling model that makes Fly worth using.
Yeah I really agree. There's no overage pricing on their website's main pricing page, which makes me think the jump from "Team" to "Pro" to negotiating an enterprise contract will really hurt. Going from $39/month to $199/moth because you needed slightly more is a really big jump in pricing. It's pretty much the opposite of what I would expect from a service that lets you scale to 0.
Apple is more a service provider than a hardware vendor these days. You can't realistically own Apple hardware without periodically connecting to Apple.
I read this, and the list is fine. But the title made me think VPS + self hosting of services like xmox for email/transactional email… you know since we’re bootstrapping and all.
Interesting, I looked into some of these types of services for my SaaS but used none of the listed providers except Mollie. I landed on IONOS for hosting, Scaleway for transactional mails, mailbox.org for receiving and sending manual mails and statichost.eu for hosting my docs.
I would be interested to learn more about Mollie as an alternative to Stripe. I saw that it has some Subscription API endpoints, but I am not sure how it compares in real life to Stripe. How much would I need to build myself in a classical Ruby on Rails SaaS app compared to pay gem/stripe?
Are there any reference implementations for any of mainstream programming language and web development frameworks for this use-case?
From the two cloud services listed I have only experience with Hetzner Cloud (extensive) and OVHCloud (less). The other day (2 years back) when I did research on whether to use one or the other, it turned out that OVHCloud did not have any reasonable user management, ie. you would need to do all the machine acquisition under one 'root' account. That was a deal breaker and the reason why going with Hetzner Cloud felt more natural. I can still confirm that the choice was good from my perspective.
I wonder if anything changed WRT to user management in OVHCloud and how does it compare to other platforms.
embedding-shape | 23 hours ago
mnahkies | 22 hours ago
SyneRyder | 22 hours ago
Thanks for sharing! Bookmarked immediately.
mnahkies | 21 hours ago
byyll | 22 hours ago
seszett | 22 hours ago
OVH's API allows full control of an account, but I don't know how that compares to DNSimple.
beagle3 | 20 hours ago
crtasm | 19 hours ago
panja | 21 hours ago
omnimus | 19 hours ago
satvikpendem | 22 hours ago
czhu12 | 22 hours ago
Think about it like coolify is to a VPS as Canine is to Kubernetes.
port11 | 21 hours ago
I found the section sorta funny, but I was actually trying to find reasons not to use it. Might want to add some real reasons in there :)
jmpavlec | 17 hours ago
ExpertAdvisor01 | 21 hours ago
byyll | 22 hours ago
veselin | 22 hours ago
dotancohen | 20 hours ago
fmbb | 22 hours ago
ted_dunning | 21 hours ago
thinkindie | 22 hours ago
Either way, one of the most critical parts is that many are still hosting on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft, therefore you are not 100% insulated from Cloud Act.
fmbb | 22 hours ago
Are the ones that are tagged "EU hosted" among the ones you mean host on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft?
thinkindie | 22 hours ago
In their footer they say: Made and hosted in the EU which technically it's not wrong, but since they are using Google Cloud and Cloudflare, they are not insulated from the effect of the CLOUD Act.
gitowiec | 22 hours ago
pickleballcourt | 22 hours ago
redfloatplane | 22 hours ago
sjdrc | 22 hours ago
ant6n | 22 hours ago
chrisweekly | 20 hours ago
michaelsalim | 20 hours ago
nodar86 | 20 hours ago
redfloatplane | 20 hours ago
It kills me every time. I automatically lose any interest in the substance and often just throw away the whole conversation!
wasabi991011 | 18 hours ago
handkommando | 21 hours ago
I myself already feel like my style is being influenced by all conversations I've had with LLM, if not influenced by their responses, at last influenced by how I talk to it.
redfloatplane | 19 hours ago
fakedang | 17 hours ago
Already happened, most of the internet pre-AI was just human-generated SEO-optimized slop created by underpaid content writers in third world countries. All those listicles, informaticals, etc, are now currently being used to train AI, but before that, they were what "trained" humans.
SheinhardtWigCo | 21 hours ago
sean_pedersen | 20 hours ago
FlxMgdnz | 22 hours ago
To be upfront about this, we’re still on AWS (Frankfurt), but "EU-owned" hosting/data regions will be available very soon.
zuzululu | 22 hours ago
It's like a bad mix of culture (bordering on arrogance and pathological in some bad cases) and over regulation.
I always advise clients to avoid the EU at launch and focus on UK if they really want to do a test run and encourage them to focus on East Asia instead.
You'd think Europe is this affluent and sophisticated customer demographic but again and again from data I see it couldn't be further from the truth.
lstodd | 22 hours ago
(as in "you are pushing shite no one wants but not accustomized to getting a well-deserved push-back")
rhizome | 20 hours ago
grim_io | 20 hours ago
kevinkatzke | 22 hours ago
hollow-moe | 21 hours ago
CodesInChaos | 21 hours ago
Doesn't that just trade password resets for passkey resets? Or do they permanently lock out users who lose their passkey?
Fire-Dragon-DoL | 21 hours ago
iknowstuff | 21 hours ago
c7b | 21 hours ago
> Passkeys don't have to be remembered
Because you need an app for the login flow. You also don't have to remember passwords if you use a password manager app.
> don't need 2FA
Not true, a second factor in the form of eg a biometric ID or PIN is mandatory.
Phishing resistance exists, but only truly so if you completely surrender control over your device and access to your credentials. Something that the same organizations who you'll depend on for Passkeys are actively pushing for through various initiatives.
iknowstuff | 17 hours ago
port11 | 21 hours ago
projektfu | 7 hours ago
pocksuppet | 31 minutes ago
BrunoBernardino | 21 hours ago
- Hetzner (Cloud, Box, and Object Storage)
- Brevo (for transactional emails)
- Mollie
For monitoring I use and recommend UpDown.io, which doesn’t seem to be listed there.
port11 | 21 hours ago
BrunoBernardino | 21 hours ago
port11 | 21 hours ago
My only gripe with SIB was terribly low deliverability to Outlook, even with full config.
[OP] sparkling | 21 hours ago
chrisweekly | 20 hours ago
BrunoBernardino | 3 hours ago
> The Services are not designed for sending automated or transactional emails. It is a violation of these Terms to use the Services to send programmatically generated emails to addresses that are outside your Customer Account.
[1]: https://www.fastmail.com/policies/terms-of-service/
stavros | 18 hours ago
cataflam | 19 hours ago
It doesn't seem very well known, but I've been a happy user. Most of the others have become over-bloated with a shitty UI.
jviotti | 21 hours ago
Onavo | 21 hours ago
jviotti | 21 hours ago
You deploy using a Dockerfile, or Docker Compose.
Definitely suggest you give it a shot. The free plan is a no-brainer for the performance you get. We are on the team plan at https://www.sourcemeta.com
Doohickey-d | 21 hours ago
It's missing some sort of per-minute / per-GB RAM "pay as you go" pricing model. It seems like Fly.io, but missing the pay-as-you-go pricing & rapid scaling model that makes Fly worth using.
Reubend | 16 hours ago
iLoveOncall | 20 hours ago
stavros | 18 hours ago
jbellis | 17 hours ago
zkmon | 20 hours ago
conqrr | 20 hours ago
haarolean | 20 hours ago
omnimus | 19 hours ago
amelius | 20 hours ago
Apple is more a service provider than a hardware vendor these days. You can't realistically own Apple hardware without periodically connecting to Apple.
gyanchawdhary | 19 hours ago
grebc | 19 hours ago
_pdp_ | 19 hours ago
rowbin | 19 hours ago
tmaier | 11 hours ago
Are there any reference implementations for any of mainstream programming language and web development frameworks for this use-case?
dominikz | 8 hours ago
I wonder if anything changed WRT to user management in OVHCloud and how does it compare to other platforms.