Uhhh, they've been doing suicide drones for the last 4 or so years in Ukraine/Russia... The location/targets just changed is all. It's pretty short sighted to think that they wouldn't have eventually been used in this way at these locations, let alone the impact to the global economy.
Exactly. The Ukraine war has led to fast development of attack drones that will surely be applied by Iran. Some reports are saying it would be difficult for Iran to really close the Strait of Hormuz. But they talk about conventional forces. Drones seem like a wild card here.
Some dumb people were cheering this war and saying iran wont do shit or whatever. Iran doesnt have to "win", they can absolutely tanked the world economy by doing this fuck shit. Trump and isreal is going to win but they wont "win". Stupid, stupid thing to do. No winners in war except defense contractor.
Drones are far more efficient. Minelaying isn’t an activity you can just spring upon someone. A minelayer ship would be observed loading up mines and would be quickly destroyed before or shortly after it left port. With the drones, the Iranians can run them all up and down the coast to ready launch quickly.
The rest of the world hasn’t been consuming video content from the war in Ukraine like redditors do. Warfare has change in a major way but the fact of it hasn’t quite landed yet.
Yes but the location means everything here. Ukraine doesn't have as much geographical significance to the rest of the world compared to the strait of hormuz
As for how people didn't see it coming, I think people are way too confident in thinking that the status quo will be upheld lately, especially economists
Americans were fine with conflict and terrorism in the middle east as long as it was in the middle east. Once it happened in NYC and Washington DC, that changed everything. We are now selfish, short-term thinkers and we follow pathetic imitations of strength and leadership in business and politics.
The terrorists, the ones willing to use the weapons, almost always win.
No, it's orders of magnitude worse now than it was before 9/11. Nixon signed the Environmental Protection Act, Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act. Racists and nationalists used to separate themselves from society, now they are put in charge of it.
Yeah it’s weird when you bomb a large country in the Middle East and they retaliate it tends to cause some ripples in the global economy. It’s almost like we have a global economy that gets shaken up when there is instability! Who would have guessed?
Does it? Sounds like those losers get money either way, they just pretend they're part of a response and pocket most of the money. Can't fight wars or even be good at being evil they're just trashy and corrupt.
But wouldn't they literally get that money anyway? Like they're guaranteed 3.5% of our GDP every year. Wouldn't "preparing for China" be more lucrative than "poking country with economy 1.5% the size of ours"?
For those not in the loop why hotels were hit by Iran, the US military had evacuated the military bases in preparations of bombing Iran. These US military personnel are living in hotels to be hidden among the civilian population.
And since we've been hearing the US and Israel say that bombing schools and hospitals is a-ok because there were some Hamas fighters inside, I'm sure they'll have consistent values and say that Iran was just targeting valid military targets.
Not putting on blinders is never a detriment. Economy is a giant topic without clear edges, as long as we don't know, what aspects might play a role, there is no harm in discussing it all among people who are interested in economics.
My view was that we discuss economic news, trends, data, research and newly published papers. From that viewpoint, it seems that talking about who uses human shields and who does not is broadly not relevant to economics, given that the topic refers to oil prices and the economic impact of instability in Gulf nations.
The source is that they made it up. The US did evacuate troops in the lead up to the invasion, but there are no sources claiming that they were sent to the hotels Iran targeted.
Actually reporting troop movements in detail would probably be seen as violating national security and would put those soldiers lives at risk.
The last time Iran was bombed it was nuclear facilities. This time it was their entire leadership structure, military infrastructure, and nuclear facilities (and maybe a school). Safe to say any rational actor in Iran is likely dead and what’s left is going to be chaos
I suspect that they are just trying to inflict some kind of actual cost onto the countries which are providing some kind of support to the US, to try and get those countries to press Trump and Israel to stop.
Iran does not have much in the way of actual leverage, aside from trying to out last Trump's attention span, or make everyone turn on him.
Israel was the one attacking them last time, US just joined in at the end. This time the US is leading the way so strikes against countries with US bases makes sesnse.
..and stating repeatedly that they were going to immediately use it to nuke Israel? Having a square with a count-down clock to Israel's destruction.
That doesn't sound much like self-defence. It sounds like ideological war-mongering which meant that the international community could never allow them to develop that bomb.
They could have just kept their mouths shut. Funded a little less terror, and no one would have stopped them. It was what they were proudly proclaimed the purpose of enriching nuclear material, that was the real problem which led to this.
> .and stating repeatedly that they were going to immediately use it to nuke Israel?
Except that didn't happen and the oft-stated position of the Ayatollah was that nuclear weapons were forbidden, so I have no idea where you are getting this nonsense from. They were in negotiations over their nuclear program and the previous agreement that - they were upholding - with IAEA inspections was torn up by Trump.
Go on, I challenge you, show me just one single statement from the Iranian leadership saying that they want to get nukes and will immediately use them to destroy Israel. Just one. You claim they have "stated this repeatedly" so it won't be hard, right?? Right?
Even if they ever stated that, it still makes no sense at all tactically.
Iran doesn't always make very good decisions, but they're unlikely to make decisions with are immediately existentially suicidal (unless, of course, they're existentially threatened themselves).
In an economics forum it'd be nice to see analysis that wasn't so obviously the worst Game Theory that one could imagine being passed off as obvious truth.
> Flights are grounded, tourists are stranded, expats who went there to live and work in finance and professional services and other sectors, are having to seek sanctuary. They went to avail themselves of the tax shelter, not the bomb shelter.
I heard someone describe it as horizontal warfare- that if all of the surrounding areas are being directly impacted that the hope is a larger international pressure will try to stop the war. Have no idea if that accurately fits here but seems plausible
I think that was already part of the calculation. They understand that they have zero air defense and two of the most formidable Air Force contingents in the world operating in their country with impunity. Adding Saudi fighter jets to the mix won’t really change the tactically desperate position they are in. They really only have asymmetric options
This doesn't make any strategic sense to me. You have the giant of USA military power "carefully" punching over the top of their nearby smaller allies in the region, and Iran swings back at all of those allies underfoot. Seems like the most likely way you can get the USA to step up into/in front of those allies to hit you even harder, with even more global support/approval, rather than getting them to back off.
They must estimate a US invasion is much less likely/possible than I do, or view it as less disastrous than the current state is for the Iranian government.
I've just accepted the USA is addicted to war, and I think going to the desert sucks less than the jungles of South America.
The US has like 40k troops in the region. Before the Iraq war the US had 150k troops in Kuwait with about 200k coalition forces (including the US). Iran is about twice the size of Iraq, and seems to have more experience projecting their influence militarily, and a larger amount of non-traditional forces (drones etc).
An escalation to a full invasion would take time and build up. It’s possibly in the cards but yes, seems less likely versus just more bombing, missiles and targeted strikes.
I dont think so, if they directly strike Iran Iran could easily attack their oil facilities. The UAE, Saudi Arabia Qatar and Kuwait may be willing to soak up quite a bit without retaliating as long as their oil stays operational
That’s what it’s doing. If anything it’s opening up airspace to the USA and Israel. Iran’s ‘leadership’ isn’t getting support from allies, everyone just waiting for them to die.
What is your point then? Israel and US naval vessels are much harder targets. Even if they focused just on those targets it is likely that they do less damage over all.
A military analysis of Iran's best tactical targets are irrelevant in this situation.
The force disparity is to great for Iran to accomplish anything on either the tactical or strategical level.
Shaheds are of no use against the US carrier groups. The radar coverage for detecting aerial threats is way to large out at sea.
The drones would be detected by AWACS over the horizon. Jets would swarm and whittle them down even before the AA bubble.
They also have to small warheads to do any meaningful damage to any warship. A carrier wouldn't even notice them.
Even worse for the Shaheds is that they aren't guided by a radar seeker, relying on GPS and inertial guidance. Ships move. Iran's ballistic missiles have the same problem. Iran's weapons systems are focused on hitting places rather than moving targets.
So their best probability to do any damage at all is to go after the servicemen stationed at US bases in the area, if the men move they'll target their new housing instead.
Asymmetrical warfare is the only strategy they have left, relying on that sooner or later the cost for US and Israel will become to great.
There won't ever be a boots on the ground campaign. Iran is to big and the terrain to hostile, it's basically Afghanistan on steroids. Succession struggle doesn't seem like so probably no civil war. Perhaps a popular uprising will be triggered, but I wouldn't count on it.
It'll probably be status quo but with the second son of Khameni in power.
The countries in the surrounding areas gave US the permission to go ahead with it. I doubt anybody is going to ask the US to stop it and negotiate a cease fire because they’re being harassed now.
Iron Dome's interceptors aren't great at targeting drones because their trajectories aren't predictable. That's why they brought Iron Beam online.
Arrow 4 is an interceptor that's designed to be used against hypersonic threats, but as far as the public knows it is near ready for deployment but not yet active.
Right. They’d get some through probably. But why send everything you have for only a tiny success rate when you can do better elsewhere? They can only “win” by causing enough destruction and chaos that they are allowed to negotiate.
Yeah it's easy to wage war against backwater "towelheads"(and US still lost those in the end). These are doctorate level strategists who know what they can and can't do, and how to most effectively use what they got.
It’s kind of like the guy who is hitting you is 270lbs so you start to hit their teen friends in the hopes that there’s enough push back from them they get them to stop hitting you.
Because Iran is lashing out at everyone nearby regardless of who the aggressors really are. It's a stupid nice because they've just given credence to everything their opponents have said. That Iran has been a threat to the middle east as a whole.
If they had kept their targets to Israel or US military facilities they'd potentially be winning a propaganda war. But once the started hitting civilian complexes in other nations they painted themselves poorly.
Worse since they lack adequate air defense it's only a matter of time until their missile launching equipment is decimated limiting what they can continue to do offensively. That being said they've started putting pressure on the strait or Hormuz so if they do go through with that threat we're in for some economic turmoil.
They are targeting the countries that bribed Trump to use American tax dollars to fight this war for them. Not a coincidence that United Emirates, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia all hate Iran and have all recently given the Trump family either billions, bought billions in Trump Coin, or a private jet for no apparent reason. This war may be the reason.
The same Cyprus under control of Trump's dictator friend, Erdogan? The one Trump wants to help with rebuilding Gaza? We also have bases everywhere. To call these indiscriminate is either lazy or biased reporting. They may be desperate. They may not be working. But they certainly aren't indiscriminate. They aren't random pot shots at everyone.
Yeah them lashing out at random targets makes me think they are not prepared able to deal with this. Which isn’t surprising considering the power of Israel/USA. Seems like they are trying to get the other gulf countries to get Israel/US to stand down but I don’t think it will work. If they thought they had a real chance they would be going after actual military targets.
That's what happens when leadership is thoroughly taken out. Anyone who has the experience to make this sort of analysis is dead. The people left behind to take charge feel overwhelmed and make strategic mistakes.
I think we’ve seen all Iran has to offer in terms of a response. The first 24hrs would have been the most important. So far we’re seeing a lot of bluster.
If they get a regime change then yes... If no you can bet terrorist cells will start to move and go active.
And I think Trump would welcome that as an excuse to put martial law in effect and postpone elections.
There’s no way they have any terrorist sleeper cells. Iranian secret service is fully infiltrated by Mossad. They can’t even keep their supreme leader alive longer than a day.
Fully incompetent on the international front. All effort has been going to suppressing their own population.
I’m thinking the same. A handful of nutiobs sure, but I’d guess they are as weak as they have ever been. I am just in awe at how easy we are making it look, yeah I know kickass intel and kickass weapons, but this is a straight ass whooping. I’d always thought Irans military was fairly strong.
The way you said that almost sounds like this wasn't Trump's plan and purpose of this from the start. As if he had any motive other than helping himself one way or another. This is only the second Epstein war, after Venezuela, but more is going to happen before he will want to cancel the election in November.
The waves of attacks and accuracy of attacks is poor and will degrade further as they’re attacked. Iran lacks an economy to support a longer direct conflict.
No I didn’t say that. Read my words it’s easier that way. Iraq was always going to decend into sectarian violence as long term scores surfaced. Ukraine was always going to be a longer conflict as Russia failed so spectacular in the first few weeks. The Iran / Iraq war is of no comparison.
Air campaigns has caused 0 regime changes since we invented the aircraft, and lord knows it's not for lack of trying.
Boots on the ground is a non-starter. Iran is big, has a huge population and terrain like Afghanistan on steroids.
Unless there's a successful popular uprising the status quo will persist.
An temporary ruling council is in place while the clergy sorts out the succession. Currently the odds are in favor of the second son of Khameni.
They killing everyone even loosely connected with the power structure in Iran right now. By the end of next week two secretaries and a janitor will be running international response from Iran
Outside of traditional suicide attacks, what else can Iran really do on countries outside of Israel? The Iraqi insurgency was a huge issue but it's not like Iraqi terrorists were bombing us cities, they were opportunistically attacking us soldiers in Iraq
You could be right. But then again, it's not hard to just constantly harass using cheap drones. See Ukraine vs Russia. I guess Iran will be out of, or unable to launch "real" missiles and drones soon, but I kind of wonder if it's really the last we'll hear about counter-attacks. If I were them, yeah I'd hit hard and fast back, but I'd also make sure this felt as long and painful as possible for the US and Isreal.
Not sure how close they were but given the resources they were pouring into the nuclear program it’s unlikely they were trying to do it for power generation and medical reasons. They wanted nuclear weapons.
Up until now it's been a game both sides played. Iran doesn't quite go nuclear and US/Israel doesn't try to overthrow the regime. A status quo that served the political interests of both sides.
they would have been smart to go nuclear. served north korea well. none of this is good for keeping nuclear weapons contained, as every state will be thinking the same thing.
also - who’s controlling all of their current nuclear material, scientists, etc? all in the wind.
just people passing buttons with absolutely no plan and idea what consequences can come from this
Kidnapping leaders of enemy states from their capitals. Targeting leaders of near nuclear states for assassination. Trying to overthrow the governments of near nuclear states.
The world is going to be less stable in the years to come.
i’m just telling you that the urgency and immediacy that they been feeding everyone for decades is bs. there was a nuclear agreement agreed to, that was ripped up - by the US (which israel loved).
They choose to be close but not finishing it. They want to be close so they can go nuclear quickly if they choose so but not close enough that they get attacked for having nukes.
north korea has vowed to destroy everyone, and yet. countries will learn from this that negotiating with the US is pointless as the next admin will rip it up and attack and the only thing that matters is having nukes.
MAD only works for countries that are armed appropriately. The only way to keep countries like the US and Israel from attacking and invading other countries is to make sure they can participate.
Yup. The “war” is already over if we got Iranian leadership. US isn’t invading so presumably now we just get a power vacuum and probably more terrorism.
Iraq had no response... and it took the US 20 years and 2+ trillion to realize the epic screw up it was.
The issue is not toppling a regime... it's the 're-education' of the population and nation building that comes after that is the real issue. Its impossible and the last dozen conflicts the US started is proof enough of that.
Nearly every one of the countries we overthrew, even Iran back in the 1940s... led to the same result. South Korea might be the only success... defined by the result and not the rhetoric... and we still technically lost that war.
That’s a very assuming and borderline arrogant thought. They control several terrorist groups around the globe and are allied with Russia, N Korea and to an extent China. This can get out of hand very quickly. I hate that a bunch of nearly 80 year old men have decided to ruin what was largely a stable world order.
International war criminal blackmailing a six offender into war, has triggered retaliatory strikes sending shockwaves through the global economy. *Fixed it for you.
Their leadership has supposedly been planning for a death to USA war for decades & not only do most of them immediately die, but their military response has been beyond pathetic. Suicide drones haven’t sent shockwaves anywhere.
International war criminal blackmailing a six offender into war, has triggered retaliatory strikes sending shockwaves through the global economy. *Fixed it for you.
Republicans and the US right are already gearing up the propaganda that this is a foreign policy win for the US. All consequences be damned, the immediate effect of having taken out the elder leader of Iran is a win.
The instigators of this war, Project 2025 and the Israeli government, don’t give a damn about global economic consequences, because they can take control of more to press the war effort.
JustHanginInThere | 4 hours ago
Uhhh, they've been doing suicide drones for the last 4 or so years in Ukraine/Russia... The location/targets just changed is all. It's pretty short sighted to think that they wouldn't have eventually been used in this way at these locations, let alone the impact to the global economy.
seasonsbloom | 2 hours ago
Exactly. The Ukraine war has led to fast development of attack drones that will surely be applied by Iran. Some reports are saying it would be difficult for Iran to really close the Strait of Hormuz. But they talk about conventional forces. Drones seem like a wild card here.
greenmark69 | 2 hours ago
They've effectively closed it and they didn't even have to fire a shot.
Insurance firms have declared they won't pay out if a ship is sunk trying to get across.
So no ship is crossing it.
padizzledonk | 2 hours ago
>They've effectively closed it and they didn't even have to fire a shot.
Im fairly sure i heard that a tanker or ship was attacked and a couple people died actually
BigWhiteDog | an hour ago
Yes but there is some dispute over who's tanker and who shot it.
Glum-Supermarket1274 | 43 minutes ago
Some dumb people were cheering this war and saying iran wont do shit or whatever. Iran doesnt have to "win", they can absolutely tanked the world economy by doing this fuck shit. Trump and isreal is going to win but they wont "win". Stupid, stupid thing to do. No winners in war except defense contractor.
Sharticus123 | an hour ago
I imagine mines would also be something they’d use.
Rocketsponge | 52 minutes ago
Drones are far more efficient. Minelaying isn’t an activity you can just spring upon someone. A minelayer ship would be observed loading up mines and would be quickly destroyed before or shortly after it left port. With the drones, the Iranians can run them all up and down the coast to ready launch quickly.
Sure_Assumption7857 | 39 minutes ago
Minelaying super drones, bruh 😎
Trakeen | 57 minutes ago
The us has laser based systems they seem to be good at shooting down balloons and our own drones, maybe they can be applied to other situations
Hike_it_Out52 | 41 minutes ago
Yeah but I’m betting that those drone factories are going to move quickly up the priority list.
ChirrBirry | an hour ago
The rest of the world hasn’t been consuming video content from the war in Ukraine like redditors do. Warfare has change in a major way but the fact of it hasn’t quite landed yet.
JustHanginInThere | 23 minutes ago
They're in for a rude awakening then.
CrayonCobold | 54 minutes ago
>The location/targets just changed is all.
Yes but the location means everything here. Ukraine doesn't have as much geographical significance to the rest of the world compared to the strait of hormuz
As for how people didn't see it coming, I think people are way too confident in thinking that the status quo will be upheld lately, especially economists
RedBaronSportsCards | 56 minutes ago
It's the same effect as 9/11.
Americans were fine with conflict and terrorism in the middle east as long as it was in the middle east. Once it happened in NYC and Washington DC, that changed everything. We are now selfish, short-term thinkers and we follow pathetic imitations of strength and leadership in business and politics.
The terrorists, the ones willing to use the weapons, almost always win.
Celebratedmediocre | 32 minutes ago
We were like that well before 9/11
RedBaronSportsCards | 20 minutes ago
No, it's orders of magnitude worse now than it was before 9/11. Nixon signed the Environmental Protection Act, Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act. Racists and nationalists used to separate themselves from society, now they are put in charge of it.
JustHanginInThere | 16 minutes ago
Operations: Desert Shield/Storm, Just Cause, Urgent Fury, and many other since would beg to differ.
RedBaronSportsCards | 11 minutes ago
Winning a battle isnt winning a war.
Jdobalina | 4 hours ago
Yeah it’s weird when you bomb a large country in the Middle East and they retaliate it tends to cause some ripples in the global economy. It’s almost like we have a global economy that gets shaken up when there is instability! Who would have guessed?
DarkGamer | 4 hours ago
It makes money for the military industrial complex though.
Jdobalina | 4 hours ago
Oh absolutely.
Song-Historical | 3 hours ago
Does it? Sounds like those losers get money either way, they just pretend they're part of a response and pocket most of the money. Can't fight wars or even be good at being evil they're just trashy and corrupt.
BillieBlanus | 20 minutes ago
Well..... the folks that build interceptor missiles are surely working double overtime shifts. Beyond that... *shrug*
bayoubevo | 2 hours ago
Eisenhower rolls over in grave.
Iron-Fist | 2 hours ago
But wouldn't they literally get that money anyway? Like they're guaranteed 3.5% of our GDP every year. Wouldn't "preparing for China" be more lucrative than "poking country with economy 1.5% the size of ours"?
LAkand1 | 2 hours ago
They double dip
Bossanova12345 | an hour ago
And those invested in gold and silver.
AwkwardObjective5360 | an hour ago
Metals have had like 2 good years out of the last 20
Bossanova12345 | an hour ago
Good thing I am in them now, then.
AwkwardObjective5360 | an hour ago
Cool. Just saying. Long term not the best investment.
OnePension8698 | an hour ago
Good for Texas oil prices.
dinosaurkiller | 2 hours ago
No one could have seen this coming after we fired all the intelligence analysts that were smart enough to not declare loyalty to Trump.
m0llusk | 3 hours ago
The last time that Iran was bombed there were no luxury hotels hit in retaliation.
ToddlerPeePee | 3 hours ago
For those not in the loop why hotels were hit by Iran, the US military had evacuated the military bases in preparations of bombing Iran. These US military personnel are living in hotels to be hidden among the civilian population.
Ok-Bug-5271 | 3 hours ago
And since we've been hearing the US and Israel say that bombing schools and hospitals is a-ok because there were some Hamas fighters inside, I'm sure they'll have consistent values and say that Iran was just targeting valid military targets.
GibDirBerlin | 2 hours ago
>These US military personnel are living in hotels to be hidden among the civilian population.
I think it's called using human shields. Or do we only call it that when it's Hamas' doing?
defaultedebt | 2 hours ago
What on earth does this comment have to do with the global economy?
GibDirBerlin | an hour ago
90% of this thread is not about the economy.
defaultedebt | an hour ago
And that is to the detriment of us all. Shows how far derailed this sub has become.
GibDirBerlin | an hour ago
Not putting on blinders is never a detriment. Economy is a giant topic without clear edges, as long as we don't know, what aspects might play a role, there is no harm in discussing it all among people who are interested in economics.
defaultedebt | an hour ago
My view was that we discuss economic news, trends, data, research and newly published papers. From that viewpoint, it seems that talking about who uses human shields and who does not is broadly not relevant to economics, given that the topic refers to oil prices and the economic impact of instability in Gulf nations.
CheapThaRipper | 51 minutes ago
I think there are considerable economic implications for the normalization of attacks on civilian infrastructure and hybrid military sites.
Physics_Unicorn | 3 hours ago
That seems reasonable, but is there a source?
TreatAffectionate453 | an hour ago
The source is that they made it up. The US did evacuate troops in the lead up to the invasion, but there are no sources claiming that they were sent to the hotels Iran targeted.
Actually reporting troop movements in detail would probably be seen as violating national security and would put those soldiers lives at risk.
Square_Level4633 | 2 hours ago
Wasn't a Hilton worker fired after warning of ICE activity at the hotel where she worked?
CustomerOutside8588 | 2 hours ago
Why would ICE be in the middle east?
nimbin14 | 2 hours ago
Why not, think of the numbers!
CustomerOutside8588 | an hour ago
They could deport people to their own countries but not have to transport them anywhere! Think of the savings!
HoneyNutz | 2 hours ago
this comment is super high quality -- such source material, very based, much accuracy. /s
Ardekan | an hour ago
Hiding among civilians is awarcrime btw.
Upbeat-Stage2107 | 2 hours ago
The last time Iran was bombed it was nuclear facilities. This time it was their entire leadership structure, military infrastructure, and nuclear facilities (and maybe a school). Safe to say any rational actor in Iran is likely dead and what’s left is going to be chaos
Icy-Lobster-203 | an hour ago
I suspect that they are just trying to inflict some kind of actual cost onto the countries which are providing some kind of support to the US, to try and get those countries to press Trump and Israel to stop.
Iran does not have much in the way of actual leverage, aside from trying to out last Trump's attention span, or make everyone turn on him.
LoudestHoward | 52 minutes ago
Israel was the one attacking them last time, US just joined in at the end. This time the US is leading the way so strikes against countries with US bases makes sesnse.
DetroitLionsSBChamps | 2 hours ago
Oligarchs love instability
SpezLuvsNazis | 2 hours ago
Turns out having a secretary of defense who’s a white nationalist alcoholic with no relevant experience has consequences, who would have guessed?
Dry-Interaction-1246 | 3 hours ago
This news was already sold Thur and Fri
Myopsiamien | 2 hours ago
Take a look at the Oil price too... Someone is gonna make bank.
All Oil producers outside of the Guld that is...
kidsaregoats | 2 hours ago
Wonder if any of those were recently ‘opened up’ under someone else’s control? Couldn’t be.
BigWhiteDog | an hour ago
A small group of new accounts placed war bets on Polymarket just before this all kicked off I've heard of payouts as high as $1/2 mill
JaStrCoGa | 3 hours ago
Almost like ___ allegedly trying to develop a _____ ______ might have been justified.
roamingandy | 2 hours ago
..and stating repeatedly that they were going to immediately use it to nuke Israel? Having a square with a count-down clock to Israel's destruction.
That doesn't sound much like self-defence. It sounds like ideological war-mongering which meant that the international community could never allow them to develop that bomb.
They could have just kept their mouths shut. Funded a little less terror, and no one would have stopped them. It was what they were proudly proclaimed the purpose of enriching nuclear material, that was the real problem which led to this.
umop_apisdn | an hour ago
> .and stating repeatedly that they were going to immediately use it to nuke Israel?
Except that didn't happen and the oft-stated position of the Ayatollah was that nuclear weapons were forbidden, so I have no idea where you are getting this nonsense from. They were in negotiations over their nuclear program and the previous agreement that - they were upholding - with IAEA inspections was torn up by Trump.
Go on, I challenge you, show me just one single statement from the Iranian leadership saying that they want to get nukes and will immediately use them to destroy Israel. Just one. You claim they have "stated this repeatedly" so it won't be hard, right?? Right?
(I expect crickets here).
Word1_Word2_4Numbers | an hour ago
Even if they ever stated that, it still makes no sense at all tactically.
Iran doesn't always make very good decisions, but they're unlikely to make decisions with are immediately existentially suicidal (unless, of course, they're existentially threatened themselves).
In an economics forum it'd be nice to see analysis that wasn't so obviously the worst Game Theory that one could imagine being passed off as obvious truth.
roamingandy | 8 minutes ago
https://www.israelfactcheck.com/from-rhetoric-to-action-iran-calls-for-israel-s-destruction
kdnlcln | 2 hours ago
This is like an international version of Murc's law (shout-out to whoever posted that yesterday)
Potential_Ice4388 | 3 hours ago
You’re on to something!
pharm4karma | 2 hours ago
I'm convinced this will create more stability in the medium to long term.
Marathon2021 | an hour ago
> Flights are grounded, tourists are stranded, expats who went there to live and work in finance and professional services and other sectors, are having to seek sanctuary. They went to avail themselves of the tax shelter, not the bomb shelter.
Oof. That's a hell of a sentence...
DruidicMagic | 4 hours ago
Why didn't Iran send every drone straight at Israel?
They most assuredly know what building Netanyahu is currently in and Mossad HQ isn't moving around.
Turtleshellfarms | 3 hours ago
Netanyahu is not in the region. He’s kinda like Ted Cruz.
Ivorypetal | 2 hours ago
I felt that 😅
robswins | an hour ago
Source: your ass.
COALATRON | 4 hours ago
I heard someone describe it as horizontal warfare- that if all of the surrounding areas are being directly impacted that the hope is a larger international pressure will try to stop the war. Have no idea if that accurately fits here but seems plausible
DarkGamer | 4 hours ago
It also might piss them off enough to dogpile on Iran.
patrickisnotawesome | 4 hours ago
I think that was already part of the calculation. They understand that they have zero air defense and two of the most formidable Air Force contingents in the world operating in their country with impunity. Adding Saudi fighter jets to the mix won’t really change the tactically desperate position they are in. They really only have asymmetric options
RetardedWabbit | an hour ago
This doesn't make any strategic sense to me. You have the giant of USA military power "carefully" punching over the top of their nearby smaller allies in the region, and Iran swings back at all of those allies underfoot. Seems like the most likely way you can get the USA to step up into/in front of those allies to hit you even harder, with even more global support/approval, rather than getting them to back off.
They must estimate a US invasion is much less likely/possible than I do, or view it as less disastrous than the current state is for the Iranian government.
I've just accepted the USA is addicted to war, and I think going to the desert sucks less than the jungles of South America.
Mango_Punch | 32 minutes ago
The US has like 40k troops in the region. Before the Iraq war the US had 150k troops in Kuwait with about 200k coalition forces (including the US). Iran is about twice the size of Iraq, and seems to have more experience projecting their influence militarily, and a larger amount of non-traditional forces (drones etc).
An escalation to a full invasion would take time and build up. It’s possibly in the cards but yes, seems less likely versus just more bombing, missiles and targeted strikes.
Humble-Cable-840 | 3 hours ago
I dont think so, if they directly strike Iran Iran could easily attack their oil facilities. The UAE, Saudi Arabia Qatar and Kuwait may be willing to soak up quite a bit without retaliating as long as their oil stays operational
protossaccount | 3 hours ago
That’s what it’s doing. If anything it’s opening up airspace to the USA and Israel. Iran’s ‘leadership’ isn’t getting support from allies, everyone just waiting for them to die.
MeeseShoop | 3 hours ago
The countries they attacked already gave full access to their airspace/land/ports to the US. That’s why they were attacked lmao.
protossaccount | 3 hours ago
Stupid choice then. Spreading out the missiles made them easier to intercept.
MeeseShoop | 3 hours ago
Possibly. The US Navy and Israel are harder targets than the military bases and other assets in Qatar, Bahrain, etc. though.
protossaccount | 3 hours ago
I’m not speculating, it’s in the report. Just watch a military analysis.
MeeseShoop | 3 hours ago
What is your point then? Israel and US naval vessels are much harder targets. Even if they focused just on those targets it is likely that they do less damage over all.
Brokenandburnt | 2 hours ago
A military analysis of Iran's best tactical targets are irrelevant in this situation.
The force disparity is to great for Iran to accomplish anything on either the tactical or strategical level.
Shaheds are of no use against the US carrier groups. The radar coverage for detecting aerial threats is way to large out at sea.
The drones would be detected by AWACS over the horizon. Jets would swarm and whittle them down even before the AA bubble.
They also have to small warheads to do any meaningful damage to any warship. A carrier wouldn't even notice them.
Even worse for the Shaheds is that they aren't guided by a radar seeker, relying on GPS and inertial guidance. Ships move. Iran's ballistic missiles have the same problem. Iran's weapons systems are focused on hitting places rather than moving targets.
So their best probability to do any damage at all is to go after the servicemen stationed at US bases in the area, if the men move they'll target their new housing instead.
Asymmetrical warfare is the only strategy they have left, relying on that sooner or later the cost for US and Israel will become to great.
There won't ever be a boots on the ground campaign. Iran is to big and the terrain to hostile, it's basically Afghanistan on steroids. Succession struggle doesn't seem like so probably no civil war. Perhaps a popular uprising will be triggered, but I wouldn't count on it.
It'll probably be status quo but with the second son of Khameni in power.
DidAnyoneElseJustCum | 3 hours ago
That seems to be more what's happening right now but Iran doesn't have a lot of options
TobyOrNotTobyEU | 36 minutes ago
Doesn't matter, they can't win anyways. Their only shot is to threaten a lot of damage on their way to losing.
Middle-Purchase7416 | 23 minutes ago
How much more can you dogpile on Iran? They have no control of their airspace. A few extra F-35s isn't moving the needle here.
Legote | 3 hours ago
The countries in the surrounding areas gave US the permission to go ahead with it. I doubt anybody is going to ask the US to stop it and negotiate a cease fire because they’re being harassed now.
GoogleIsYourFrenemy | 4 hours ago
Iron Dome.
effyouspez | 4 hours ago
That can't handle sustained attacks, on average you fire 3 interceptors per target
Hocus-Pocus-No-Focus | 4 hours ago
That’s for ballistic missiles, not drones,
After_Lie_807 | 3 hours ago
Now they have iron beam laser based interceptions…a lot cheaper for drones and small munitions
GibDirBerlin | 2 hours ago
Wait a second... is that what was meant by Jewish space lasers?
meltbox | 59 minutes ago
Holy shit, did we just THINK MTG was insane? lol
DruidicMagic | 4 hours ago
Is utterly worthless when it comes to wave after wave of drones (and hypersonic missiles).
wathappen | 4 hours ago
Are you the Iranian foreign minister?
jlobes | 4 hours ago
They're not entirely wrong.
Iron Dome's interceptors aren't great at targeting drones because their trajectories aren't predictable. That's why they brought Iron Beam online.
Arrow 4 is an interceptor that's designed to be used against hypersonic threats, but as far as the public knows it is near ready for deployment but not yet active.
After_Lie_807 | 3 hours ago
Iron beam being used for drones…super cheap laser based system
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
What hypersonic missiles. Iran doesn’t have any
topyTheorist | 3 hours ago
Really? so why does Israel has only 10 dead people so far in this war, including zero soldiers?
DM_me_ur_PPSN | an hour ago
Do these drones have a pre-set kill limit?
BigMax | 3 hours ago
Right. They’d get some through probably. But why send everything you have for only a tiny success rate when you can do better elsewhere? They can only “win” by causing enough destruction and chaos that they are allowed to negotiate.
nikolapc | 3 hours ago
Yeah it's easy to wage war against backwater "towelheads"(and US still lost those in the end). These are doctorate level strategists who know what they can and can't do, and how to most effectively use what they got.
Terry_Cruz | an hour ago
3rd base for Tony Stark
OldSchoolNewRules | 38 minutes ago
Iron dome was proven ineffective in the last exchange.
QueefferSutherland | 3 hours ago
Netanyahu fled the country like a little bitch and is hiding in Germany last reported.
Brokenandburnt | 2 hours ago
If Germany really wanted to kick the geopolitical anthill they should arrest Bibi and turn him over to ICC.
Might spark WW3 but I would love to see the expression on Bibi's face.
AwkwardObjective5360 | an hour ago
Given their history there is absolutely NO way Germany would EVER do that.
LeatherDude | an hour ago
They said arrest him, not give him a serial number and gas him.
ToddlerPeePee | 3 hours ago
The Iranian leadership was taken out. Iranian military units are acting based on their own initiatives now.
Masonjaruniversity | 4 hours ago
Netanyahu is apparently holding up in Berlin. There was no safe place to land his aircraft in Israel.
Hyperafro | 3 hours ago
Pulling a Ted “Cancun” Cruz.
Chrono978 | 3 hours ago
Back to Europe, true home land.
thehourglasses | 4 hours ago
He is in Germany.
GibDirBerlin | 2 hours ago
No just his plane (for repairs)
karoxxxxx | 2 hours ago
Nope. Wasnt in Greece last time either. You guys are just desperate.
achtungapril | 3 hours ago
Netanyahu is in Germany
Ok-Temporary-8243 | 3 hours ago
If you want attacks to stop, you need international pressure. Attacking a country you've been indirectly attacking for decades does nothing.
redjacktin | 3 hours ago
He is hiding in Europe you can look it up.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 3 hours ago
probably better to shut down shipping as much as you can if you’re looking to do any real damage
Emotional_Goal9525 | 2 hours ago
Hardened target.
Commander6420 | 2 hours ago
Iron dome or not, the real targets would be underground.
ayyy_its_wally | 2 hours ago
They almost certainly don’t know what building Netanyahu is in. I imagine they could hit Mossad HQ though.
bill_gonorrhea | 2 hours ago
It’s kind of like the guy who is hitting you is 270lbs so you start to hit their teen friends in the hopes that there’s enough push back from them they get them to stop hitting you.
watch-nerd | 2 hours ago
Nearby Gulf states are softer targets, sends a broader message of their willingness to cause widespread economic pain in the region.
Jethro_Tell | an hour ago
Benny went to Berlin, which would be a bad place to try to drone bomb.
4electricnomad | an hour ago
Or Trump Inc properties worldwide?
You know, soft targets that Trump would actually care about, unlike US military personnel.
Banshee251 | 56 minutes ago
Because Israel has mature air defenses.
Iran just wanted to kill western civilians.
Butane9000 | 4 hours ago
Because Iran is lashing out at everyone nearby regardless of who the aggressors really are. It's a stupid nice because they've just given credence to everything their opponents have said. That Iran has been a threat to the middle east as a whole.
If they had kept their targets to Israel or US military facilities they'd potentially be winning a propaganda war. But once the started hitting civilian complexes in other nations they painted themselves poorly.
Worse since they lack adequate air defense it's only a matter of time until their missile launching equipment is decimated limiting what they can continue to do offensively. That being said they've started putting pressure on the strait or Hormuz so if they do go through with that threat we're in for some economic turmoil.
JuliusErrrrrring | 3 hours ago
They are targeting the countries that bribed Trump to use American tax dollars to fight this war for them. Not a coincidence that United Emirates, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia all hate Iran and have all recently given the Trump family either billions, bought billions in Trump Coin, or a private jet for no apparent reason. This war may be the reason.
Talinn_Makaren | 3 hours ago
God I wish everyone understood this. It's sad how many people don't know he's running a crypto scam for one thing.
dravik | 3 hours ago
Dude, they took a couple pot shots at Cyprus. They are lashing out at everyone.
inco2019 | 3 hours ago
Targeting A British base in Cyprus.
dravik | 3 hours ago
The British who refused to participate in the hostilities and refused permission for the US to launch attacks from their bases.
Attacking the UK and Cyprus is idiotic. They weren't involved and didn't want to be involved. All this does is pull them in as opponents.
JuliusErrrrrring | 3 hours ago
The same Cyprus under control of Trump's dictator friend, Erdogan? The one Trump wants to help with rebuilding Gaza? We also have bases everywhere. To call these indiscriminate is either lazy or biased reporting. They may be desperate. They may not be working. But they certainly aren't indiscriminate. They aren't random pot shots at everyone.
Skunk_Gunk | 4 hours ago
Yeah them lashing out at random targets makes me think they are not prepared able to deal with this. Which isn’t surprising considering the power of Israel/USA. Seems like they are trying to get the other gulf countries to get Israel/US to stand down but I don’t think it will work. If they thought they had a real chance they would be going after actual military targets.
HarshComputing | 4 hours ago
That's what happens when leadership is thoroughly taken out. Anyone who has the experience to make this sort of analysis is dead. The people left behind to take charge feel overwhelmed and make strategic mistakes.
Due_Face5949 | 3 hours ago
Yup, feels like they are pretty much cornered now and lashing out in every direction.
Pleasant-Strike3389 | 2 hours ago
Plenty of time to intercept with choppers and fighters. Israel is the best defended country in the Middle East
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
I think we’ve seen all Iran has to offer in terms of a response. The first 24hrs would have been the most important. So far we’re seeing a lot of bluster.
octahexxer | 3 hours ago
If they get a regime change then yes... If no you can bet terrorist cells will start to move and go active. And I think Trump would welcome that as an excuse to put martial law in effect and postpone elections.
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
Well the ongoing terrorism will become a long term problem if the regime falls. But currently we’re in a direct conflict.
Major_Guess1189 | 3 hours ago
There’s no way they have any terrorist sleeper cells. Iranian secret service is fully infiltrated by Mossad. They can’t even keep their supreme leader alive longer than a day.
Fully incompetent on the international front. All effort has been going to suppressing their own population.
TunesAndKings | 2 hours ago
That’s a major guess
axxegrinder | 3 hours ago
I’m thinking the same. A handful of nutiobs sure, but I’d guess they are as weak as they have ever been. I am just in awe at how easy we are making it look, yeah I know kickass intel and kickass weapons, but this is a straight ass whooping. I’d always thought Irans military was fairly strong.
LeatherDude | an hour ago
During the first Gulf War, Iraq had like the 4th largest, well-equipped military in the world.
We absolutely steamrolled them. There are orders of magnitude between us and most other powers.
robustofilth | 25 minutes ago
Struggled against the insurgency tho. And definitely got worked over by the Taliban.
LeatherDude | 20 minutes ago
Oh for sure. Occupation is orders of magnitude harder than invasion.
Brokenandburnt | 2 hours ago
The same Iran that's still rocking the F-14's the US sold to the Shanin the 70's?
The same Iran who already had half or more of their Russian AA destroyed in June last year?
The same Iran that has been under sanctions of one form or another for close to 50 years?
robswins | an hour ago
I couldn’t believe how low their GDP per capita is when I Googled it today. What a waste.
Vegetable_Bank4981 | an hour ago
This is pretty much verbatim what people were saying in the first few days of the iraq war too. It’s not even incorrect. But look what happened after.
Scamwau1 | 57 minutes ago
>I’d always thought Irans military was fairly strong.
That's what the government and media want people to think, to justify their invasion.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 27 minutes ago
exactly. everyone just brainwashed on here
ICLazeru | 2 hours ago
Well...Hamas still exists and Israel has been shooting at them for ages.
Consistent-Soil-1818 | 2 hours ago
The way you said that almost sounds like this wasn't Trump's plan and purpose of this from the start. As if he had any motive other than helping himself one way or another. This is only the second Epstein war, after Venezuela, but more is going to happen before he will want to cancel the election in November.
Sure_Assumption7857 | 36 minutes ago
Ya , but are the terrorists working for Iran or the us. Still not sure.
ngroot | an hour ago
> Trump would welcome that as an excuse to put martial law in effect
Trump has no means to do this.
santagoo | an hour ago
Just like he has no means technically to declare war as that authority rests solely on Congress?
ImaginaryHospital306 | 3 hours ago
Already happened in Austin Texas last night
mermanarchy | 3 hours ago
Come onnn dude. Don't make claims like that until there's evidence to prove it. Running with vibes narratives is dangerous
ImaginaryHospital306 | an hour ago
There is evidence to prove it. He was wearing a sweatshirt that said “Property of Allah” and under that had a shirt with an Iranian flag on it.
St33lbutcher | 3 hours ago
Wow interesting take. What are you basing that on?
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
The waves of attacks and accuracy of attacks is poor and will degrade further as they’re attacked. Iran lacks an economy to support a longer direct conflict.
St33lbutcher | 3 hours ago
So you think its basically over? Some thought the same about Iraq and Ukraine. Iranians proved to be pretty hard-core when Saddam invaded.
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
No I didn’t say that. Read my words it’s easier that way. Iraq was always going to decend into sectarian violence as long term scores surfaced. Ukraine was always going to be a longer conflict as Russia failed so spectacular in the first few weeks. The Iran / Iraq war is of no comparison.
St33lbutcher | 2 hours ago
Geez so hostile and confident lol
Brokenandburnt | an hour ago
Air campaigns has caused 0 regime changes since we invented the aircraft, and lord knows it's not for lack of trying.
Boots on the ground is a non-starter. Iran is big, has a huge population and terrain like Afghanistan on steroids.
Unless there's a successful popular uprising the status quo will persist.
An temporary ruling council is in place while the clergy sorts out the succession. Currently the odds are in favor of the second son of Khameni.
timoperez | an hour ago
They killing everyone even loosely connected with the power structure in Iran right now. By the end of next week two secretaries and a janitor will be running international response from Iran
robustofilth | 2 hours ago
Not hostile at all. I think you’re projecting there buddy.
St33lbutcher | an hour ago
You didnt answer my question and you started with
>> No I didn’t say that. Read my words it’s easier that way.
Thats not a very charitable response
robustofilth | an hour ago
I did answer your question. You don’t seem to read.
St33lbutcher | an hour ago
Oof well thanks for the good faith discussion
Ok-Temporary-8243 | 3 hours ago
Outside of traditional suicide attacks, what else can Iran really do on countries outside of Israel? The Iraqi insurgency was a huge issue but it's not like Iraqi terrorists were bombing us cities, they were opportunistically attacking us soldiers in Iraq
St33lbutcher | 2 hours ago
I mean they dont necessarily need to attack outside the country to weather the storm
Ok-Temporary-8243 | 2 hours ago
We are talking in terms of a response. If you said Iran basically just has to eat it and suck it up, then I'd agree too
St33lbutcher | an hour ago
Well if regime change is actually going to be implemented then it will take boots on the ground in Iran
Ok-Temporary-8243 | an hour ago
Def agree. But I don't know what the actual game plan for iran is with Trump and Israel.
St33lbutcher | an hour ago
Yeah i dont think anyone does. Im not convinced even Trump knows.
reelznfeelz | 38 minutes ago
You could be right. But then again, it's not hard to just constantly harass using cheap drones. See Ukraine vs Russia. I guess Iran will be out of, or unable to launch "real" missiles and drones soon, but I kind of wonder if it's really the last we'll hear about counter-attacks. If I were them, yeah I'd hit hard and fast back, but I'd also make sure this felt as long and painful as possible for the US and Isreal.
tonylouis1337 | 2 hours ago
I wonder about what the next guy in charge will do.
1moreanonaccount | 3 hours ago
And they want us believe Iran was close to developing a nuclear weapon.
Kramerica_CEO | 2 hours ago
Well they told us last June that Irans nuclear capabilities were obliterated. What a beautiful word, obliterated.
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
Not sure how close they were but given the resources they were pouring into the nuclear program it’s unlikely they were trying to do it for power generation and medical reasons. They wanted nuclear weapons.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 3 hours ago
per the US and Israel, they’ve been 1 week away for the last 3 decades, very weird
karoxxxxx | 2 hours ago
Not wierd at all. I am 1 week away from buying a motorcycle. For 30 years. But i could anytime.
Thats the policy of Iran, to have the knowledge and technology to have a break-out-time of a few month.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 2 hours ago
or you’re just bought into propaganda
BadmiralHarryKim | 2 hours ago
Up until now it's been a game both sides played. Iran doesn't quite go nuclear and US/Israel doesn't try to overthrow the regime. A status quo that served the political interests of both sides.
We are in uncharted waters now.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 2 hours ago
they would have been smart to go nuclear. served north korea well. none of this is good for keeping nuclear weapons contained, as every state will be thinking the same thing.
also - who’s controlling all of their current nuclear material, scientists, etc? all in the wind.
just people passing buttons with absolutely no plan and idea what consequences can come from this
BadmiralHarryKim | 2 hours ago
Trump's a reckless idiot.
Kidnapping leaders of enemy states from their capitals. Targeting leaders of near nuclear states for assassination. Trying to overthrow the governments of near nuclear states.
The world is going to be less stable in the years to come.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | an hour ago
100%
karoxxxxx | 2 hours ago
Why else insist on uranium enrichment? Why else hide centrifuge centers?
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 2 hours ago
i’m just telling you that the urgency and immediacy that they been feeding everyone for decades is bs. there was a nuclear agreement agreed to, that was ripped up - by the US (which israel loved).
Brokenandburnt | 2 hours ago
Yeah, Iran has had Uranium enriched to 60%+ for ages. The purer the fuel, the faster the remaining enrichment process is.
If they had wanted to they could have finished the enrichment, built a simple gun type bomb in a few months.
But nukes are expensive to maintain. And they would still have needed to invest in a launch vehicle.
The cost in both monetary and political capital has been higher then the expected benefit from completing the program.
1moreanonaccount | 3 hours ago
They have been a week away for 30 years
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
I think that’s just a media headline.
1moreanonaccount | 3 hours ago
Call it what you want it has been the justification for this since I was a child
Danne660 | 40 minutes ago
They choose to be close but not finishing it. They want to be close so they can go nuclear quickly if they choose so but not close enough that they get attacked for having nukes.
1moreanonaccount | 38 minutes ago
Brother, I can’t make out what you just said
ohnoitsme7890 | 2 hours ago
It's a shame they didn't get them, as that's the only thing that would've prevented the US and its allies attacking them constantly
robustofilth | an hour ago
I don’t think a country that has vowed to destroy another state by any means should have such weapons.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 29 minutes ago
north korea has vowed to destroy everyone, and yet. countries will learn from this that negotiating with the US is pointless as the next admin will rip it up and attack and the only thing that matters is having nukes.
robustofilth | 21 minutes ago
North Korea hasn’t actually vowed to destroy another state. It’s just rather bellicose in its nature.
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 18 minutes ago
what!? i just browsed 30 diff articles of “north korea bows to destroy…”
now do they actually say this / mean this? did iran actually mean this / would they do this?depends on the propaganda you want to believe
ohnoitsme7890 | an hour ago
MAD only works for countries that are armed appropriately. The only way to keep countries like the US and Israel from attacking and invading other countries is to make sure they can participate.
voytek707 | 3 hours ago
It has to be true - how will the US and Israel justify their massive “defensive retaliatory response”?
Scamwau1 | 58 minutes ago
Which makes the US assault even less defensible.
roostershoes | 3 hours ago
Yup. The “war” is already over if we got Iranian leadership. US isn’t invading so presumably now we just get a power vacuum and probably more terrorism.
robustofilth | 3 hours ago
Probably.
Fuzzy_Broccoli1655 | an hour ago
This is what will happen. Trump is such a dumbfuck. This will be a worse situation than having the Ayatollah in charge.
FireFoxG | an hour ago
Iraq had no response... and it took the US 20 years and 2+ trillion to realize the epic screw up it was.
The issue is not toppling a regime... it's the 're-education' of the population and nation building that comes after that is the real issue. Its impossible and the last dozen conflicts the US started is proof enough of that.
Nearly every one of the countries we overthrew, even Iran back in the 1940s... led to the same result. South Korea might be the only success... defined by the result and not the rhetoric... and we still technically lost that war.
awr90 | an hour ago
They don’t have anything left, also this is proof yet again Chinese and Russian radar can’t detect US aircraft or cruise missiles
Hike_it_Out52 | 37 minutes ago
That’s a very assuming and borderline arrogant thought. They control several terrorist groups around the globe and are allied with Russia, N Korea and to an extent China. This can get out of hand very quickly. I hate that a bunch of nearly 80 year old men have decided to ruin what was largely a stable world order.
robustofilth | 23 minutes ago
Arrogant thought? Not really. It’s a view on the current direct conflict. The terrorism issue will be around for a lot longer.
Aethelete | 3 hours ago
International war criminal blackmailing a six offender into war, has triggered retaliatory strikes sending shockwaves through the global economy. *Fixed it for you.
RapedByPlushies | 2 hours ago
A "six" offender? Are you a Kiwi or something?
VividEconomist8587 | 2 hours ago
6 a fender
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 3 hours ago
just forgot “pedophile” - other than that, no notes, great title
bot_comment1234 | 2 hours ago
I vote republican because they're good for the economy and not socialist 🤓
HolyMoleyGuacamoly | 2 hours ago
oh yeah, look at that economy under republicans, every major crash. great work
can’t even define socialist
BearChavez82 | an hour ago
Username checks out.
lkng4now | an hour ago
Ask American farmers how great the economy is for them
Banshee251 | 54 minutes ago
I wasn’t aware you supported regimes who murder their civilians and support child rape and female oppression.
Color me surprised.
MalikTheHalfBee | 34 minutes ago
Their leadership has supposedly been planning for a death to USA war for decades & not only do most of them immediately die, but their military response has been beyond pathetic. Suicide drones haven’t sent shockwaves anywhere.
j3g | 18 minutes ago
Ayatollah Assahollah, amitire?
Aethelete | 3 hours ago
International war criminal blackmailing a six offender into war, has triggered retaliatory strikes sending shockwaves through the global economy. *Fixed it for you.
jregovic | 19 minutes ago
Republicans and the US right are already gearing up the propaganda that this is a foreign policy win for the US. All consequences be damned, the immediate effect of having taken out the elder leader of Iran is a win.
The instigators of this war, Project 2025 and the Israeli government, don’t give a damn about global economic consequences, because they can take control of more to press the war effort.