I read the title of this article thinking “yeah psilocybin mushroom” but when reading the article it’s an ENTIRELY different species. Lanmaoa asiatica, everyone who eats it reports seeing tiny Smurf like people interacting with them and what’s crazy is it seems like a fairly recent discovery. I refer to Paul Stamemts usually for anythung fungi related as he’s the leading industry expert and this is all he’s said about it on his twitter
>Early accounts from Papua New Guinea described people eating a wild mushroom and suddenly seeing tiny, lifelike figures moving around them, a rare “lilliputian” hallucination. Decades later, the same reports surfaced in Yunnan and the Philippines. All lead back to one species: Lanmaoa asiatica.
And still, no known psychedelic compounds have been found. Researchers are now sequencing and analyzing this mushroom to understand what’s behind these consistent effects. A new molecule? A biological mechanism we haven’t seen before?
I need him and Hamilton Morris to do trip reports asap,
That's interesting. I've heard that jimsonweed also has a tendency to cause hallucinations of tiny people (usually unpleasant). I wonder what causes that specific phenomenon and if it's anything in common between the two.
Jimsonweed & related Nightshade plants contain Tropane alkaloids (Atropine, Scopolamine, & Hyoscyamine), which cause delirium. Deliriants are uniquely different from psychedelic hallucinogens such as DMT, Psilocybin "shrooms", LSD, & Mescaline; dissociatives like PCP, Ketamine, & DXM; or weird outliers such as Salvinorin A (which works on opioid receptors) & Muscimol (which works on GABA receptors).
Delirium isn't unique to Nightshades & can also be caused by large doses of Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or even a lack of sleep. Hallucinations from psychedelics & dissociatives are generally unrealistic & distinguishable from reality like geometric patterns & visual distortions, whereas delirium produces mostly realistic hallucinations, like bugs & people, that are indistinguishable from reality.
Never in my readings of trip reports or own experience under the effects of delirium have I encountered "tiny people", though it isn't impossible. I've only ever heard of tiny, elf-like or alien people being a common trope for DMT (& large doses of related drugs).
All of this is to say that I doubt that the mushroom mentioned in the article contains alkaloids present in Nightshade. There are other uniquely psychoactive organisms, such as the "Sun Opener" plant (Heimia salicifolia) which cause yellow visual distortions but is poorly understood & lacking in research, so this mushroom might be completely unique in its own right too.
(Disclaimer: Please, never experiment with deliriants - especially Nightshades. The experience is, at best, one you'll unlikely remember due to short-term amnesia, incredibly unpleasant, or - in the case of Nightshades - easily fatal.)
It may be a kappa opioid agonist along the lines of Salvinorin A (active ingredient in Salvia Divinorum). I always saw little "machine elves" on Salvia.
There are 3 confirmed opioid sub receptors: Delta, Kappa and Mu (for a long time the sigma receptor was thought to be an opiate subtype because opioids bound to the structure. However, semi recently pharmacologists realized that it's not an opioid specific receptor and a ton of different chemical structures bind to it).
The Mu (μ) opioid receptor (MOR) is your traditional morphine hit - warm and fuzzy, then itchy and sedated, and too much causes CNS collapse from sedation. The mu receptor is particularly activated when there is acute pain.
The Delta (δ) opioid receptor (DOR) also causes analgesia but is considered more of a potentiator of the MU receptor and is triggered for chronic pain. Researchers still don't fully understand it, but it seems like Delta might be the "background level" analgesia and when it's not cutting it, the mu receptor gets triggered. It has also shown mixed results regarding respiratory depression, in some instances it depresses it while in other instances it has been shown to excite the respiratory system.
Finally there's the Kappa (κ) Opioid receptor (KOR) which is almost the opposite of the Mu receptor. Activating the Kappa receptor causes dysphoria, agitation, hallucinations and depending on the drug, a high enough dose
will even cause seizures. Salvinorin A has the strongest binding affinity to the Kappa receptor known to man (AFAIK) and the effects from ingesting salvia are thought to be mediated via this route.
More opiate info:
Meperidine/Pethidine aka Demerol was a very widely used painkiller post WWII that has a high affinity for both mu and Kappa receptors. It was well known that an overdose would be extremely complicated as the patient would simultaneously have respiratory depression but CNS stimulation including seizures. At less than full on OD doses, patients would get agitated and restless very easily on meperidine and virtually all of its "chemical cousins".
Virtually all opioids fall into one of three structural families: morphines, pethidines and fentanyls.
Finally I should say that the Kappa receptor suggestion was just a wild suggestion based on the reported hallucinations. There are dozens of different ways to make someone hallucinate from activating serotonin, dopamine or norepinephrine receptors, to blocking NMDA receptors, to blocking acetylcholine, or activating muscarinic receptors. Opioids are another option, GABA dysfunction can cause hallucinations. And for every receptor there are multiple subtypes and further there are usually multiple chemical structures that can affect the receptors (agonists, antagonists, allosteric modulators, affecting ion channel charges, or even just blocking the reuptake of neurotransmitters, or blocking enzymes that break down or create the endogenous neurotransmitters). There's a LOT of ways to skin the cat.
I should also state that I'm not a practicing pharmacologist and some of this info may be slightly out of date, as all of my primary research was done 15-20 years ago. I do try to keep up with current findings though (like the Sigma removal).
I would suppose there would likely be a genetic link between specific receptor activations, despite target agonists of certain drugs? I’d be interested to read about any found.
Both my mother and I experience very negative mental effects and dysphoria on varying types of opioids, even at lower doses. Not withdrawal related, it occurs from first dose. Of those administered, morphine, fentanyl, codeine, and hydrocodone—all produced the same or similar dysphoria. I will personally refuse them.
To quote my mother multiple times, “I can’t believe people do this sh** for fun,”and “I just want this feeling to stop.” Euphoria or warm and fuzzy, are the opposites of what we experience. She couldn’t describe it herself, but I would best describe it as the unbearable mental and physical feeling of wanting to crawl out of your own skin.
Knowing there is a specific receptor responsible for how we might respond to the same drugs others in the immediate family do not experience, does make sense. Thinking out loud—Whatever possible gene(s) that could potentially be responsible would have been passed or completed on the X chromosomes in our (XX) cases. Both my father and brother have a history of opioid abuse/dependence, so it would not pass/complete and/or could be overwritten on the Y? Has a possible sex related link been found?
Edit to add: It’s not gonadal hormone expressions, as long before this experience she had a full hysterectomy. No ovaries.
Interestingly my father absolutely hates opiates the way you describe. He'll take maybe 2 Vicodin before leaving the hospital after surgery and then won't take any more, even when in terrible pain. He says he hates the way it makes him feel and it doesn't help with pain other than making him groggy and forgetting about it (which TBH is exactly how I describe opiate pain killing; it doesn't actually reduce the pain, instead it just makes you high enough that you don't care about it).
However myself and my siblings as well as some people on my mom's side of the family all have had addiction issues with opiates (women and men). I've had a love-hate relationship since the first time I was prescribed one and regularly used poppies that I grew to make tea for over a decade. They are a blessing and a curse, and we've absolutely co-evolved with poppies over thousands of years. It seems like the vast majority of humans are wired to (over) love opiates but there's still plenty of people (genetics or just personality-wise) that don't enjoy them.
Alcohol is another thing that some people (me) genetically have adverse reactions to, which can really deter (ab)use. Disulfiram is a drug that temporarily induces this effect in people who don't normally experience it and is sometimes used for alcohol rehab. Some mushrooms can also have this effect.
Very interesting, I knew about disulfiram but not about Coprine, the chemical in some mushrooms. For the lazy, both disulfiram and coprine block the production of the enzyme that breaks down acetaldehyde (the primary metabolite of ethanol and the main cause of hangovers). In this way either of those drugs will cause an immediate buildup of acetaldehyde and make you not want to consume any more alcohol.
As I'm sure you know, Indigenous Americans usually have a genetic modification that greatly reduces the production of the Alcohol dehydrogenase, the primary enzyme that metabolizes ethanol into acetaldehyde. This makes the ethanol stay ethanol far longer, which in turn makes them get very drunk from only 2 or 3 beers, with the hangover being a long ways off. Alcoholism is a major problem amongst this population. My friend who used to teach on a Navajo reservation would tell me about the one road going from the reservation to town 50 miles away being absolutely littered with empty bottles of liquor and even hand sanitizer.
Disulfiram and even naloxone (the anti-OD opiate antagonist) are generally used to treat alcohol abuse disorder in this population; the former to help intensify hangovers and the latter to help prevent general addiction/association of alcohol with pleasure. Narcan is also used for treating cocaine addiction and preventing relapse and has been tried for nicotine cessation as well, with limited success. It has a nearly 100% success rate in preventing opioid abuse disorder relapse but must be taken daily or preferably as a multi-day patch/injection.
Oh no, I just meant it was possibly genetic on the X in this case for us specifically. Not that it couldn’t happen in other ways otherwise. I do know that certain pain medications don’t work for me at all. With opiates specifically, I can’t remember if the pain was blocked, but I do remember thinking that the “crawl out of my skin” feeling was unbearable to the point of almost painful. I would also agree that I’d rather take something less effective, or nothing at all and be in pain, than experience opiates again.
Ironically both sides of the family have issues with alcoholism, though I again dislike and have the negative reaction to alcohol like described in the other comment.
Yeah the "crawling out of your skin" feeling is probably from either an over-expression of Kappa receptors or maybe the drug had a larger than usual affinity for the receptor (Pethidine class?). It definitely sounds closer to dysphoria rather than the itchy feeling from Mu-mediated histamine release that can feel pleasurable.
Salvia (Kappa agonist) was famous for causing dysphoria; people would come down and say they had the craziest hallucinations but most people would be one and done for the night. They didn't have any desire to immediately repeat the experience. I definitely felt that way when I smoked salvia extracts, the hallucinations weren't scary but your whole body and brain just had this indescribably unpleasant feeling.
We have several opioid receptors, such as mu opioids that most of the opioid painkillers work on but also kappa opioid receptors - known when agonized to result in dysphoria, hallucinations at a high enough level of agonism, and also involved with tolerance reduction to other substances. Salvia has extremely realistic indistinguishable hallucinations, people commonly reporting becoming an object (like a couch or a gear) for what is perceived to be lifetimes, even in durations of minutes. Much of its effect is due to kappa opioid receptor agonism.
Yep another possibility for sure. Some of the cannabinoid analogues that I tried when they first came out like the JWH series could cause hallucinations at high enough doses. That shit could get scary. Not just your typical "weed paranoia".
Ive taken Glaucine a number of times (the "sun opener" active compound) - its weird, it is a dopamine antagonist.
It is curious and like dipping your toes into a mushroom trip (like 10%, youre off, things are off, you can tell its a trip, but its really mild).
Anyone interested, go for it, but it is underwhelming.
Deleriants in the other hand are batshit bonkers - you are seeing quite crazy things but your brain doesn't stop to question them. It's hallucinations you just go with as if it's completely real. If you plan your trip and make sure you have reminders everywhere that you are tripping you might be OK, but I can totally see hurting yourself or others and having no idea what you are doing on them.
I've taken loads of drugs, im the only human user on record of a couple of them, and I only took deleriants twice. Once because I didnt get quite high enough and I passed out, the second time I was so scared about what I saw and accepted as completely normal.
Not creating myself, but had the opportunity related to the Grey Market where companies were making analogs (Research Chemicals) and asked the community if someone would be willing to try one.
I won't go into the specifics, but I had reasons to believe it would likely be safe (essentially it is a prodrug for a safe drug). They made a variety of similar analogs but they were all way too expensive for anyone to actually end up buying.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone else has tried it, I'm just the only person on record. However, these companies are scouring scientific literature to see what analogs were proposed, what things were tried in mice and rats, etc and then paying chinese companies to make the compounds. When their guinea pigs let them know something is good, and they can keep the price of production down, you see new drugs hit the RC scene.
I did get it NMR'd before taking it to make sure it was what it was supposed to be.
It was neat- it was a novel dissociative. I'd describe it as a fairly lucid light ketamine trip. It was more on the manic side of dissociatives so not a couch lock the way k is, but it was also mild enough that the mania was pretty controllable. It was great for being in a tripping state but able to successfully play videogames (well, at least have fun playing - maybe not that successful).
It did have some strobe effects when I took the dose high and it got "alien autopsy" when trying to sleep.
I thought I'd would make a great "party ketamine" other than it was about $60 a dose for like a gram and a half of mushroom strength trip (but dissociative effects, not mushroom effects if that makes sense). $120 for a more interesting dose but was still not as strong as k by a long shot. Really nice lemony taste.
In that same phase I super dosed Memantine (the dementia / stroke recovery drug that is also an NDMA agonist) and that was a horrible mistake. Pretty decent dissociative trip for 6-8 hours but then it had legs for days. I couldn't sleep without insomniac dissociative headspaces for 72 hours and managed to embed a psychic trauma that took years to recover from.
I've vomited once on psychedelics while insanely high and the 40 minutes of nausea was seriously more excruciating than any pain I've felt in my life jfc. I keep the nausea meds within arm's reach now lol
Do you mind sharing some of your experiences with rarer drugs or any extreme drug-related experiences you’ve had? This is a special interest of mine and I always enjoy meeting individuals like you and hearing your experiences. Feel free to disregard if you’d prefer not to, and thanks!
Please go read Alexander Shulgins Tryptamines I've known and Loved (TiKaL) & Psychedelics Ive Known and Loved (PiKaL)
Shulgin is the chemist who re-synthesized MDMA into its current version from an old soviet formula. He was a genius chemist and he synthesized 1000s of psychoactive compounds and shared them with his well educated friends and they all wrote down their trip reports.
Both books are huge, but in each one the 1st half is dedicated to the story and the 2nd half is detailed instructions on how to make each compound.
I’ve done datura extract a few times and it definitely wasn’t pleasant. Really I wasn’t all there but I combined it with LSD so it was an incredibly bizarre trip, each time. The most unusual part besides the totally realistic hallucinations, and part i most vividly remember is each time I met an entity, á woman, at a different stage of womanhood, first trip she was young and scary and by the last trip she was an old kind woman. I like to think it was the plants spirit. The first trip was absolutely bonkers, I thought I was a bull at one point running through a then neighbors farm/field and eventually barbed wire fence. Running to something and running from it. Had a series of horrific and insanely lucid visions only bits and pieces of these trips do I recall, the first one in particular i basically have zero recollection of 3 or so entire days, at one point i guess I was attacking my friends truck and somehow ripped his bumper nearly off bending it. I remember some very very dark visions I won’t even go into but one involved an entity melting like wax only upper torso with a decapitated head it held floating in front of me telling me strange things. Anyways, datura is gnarly
Dramamine hallucinations are more similar to tropane alkaloids like scopolamine, chemicals in plants like jimsonweed or mandrake root. These have been associated with witchcraft in European folklore for ages.
Funny that you associated it with that root from the books/movies, since that root is inspired no doubt by mandrake root.
These are more like true hallucinations rather than the visuals people get from psilocybin, DMT, LSD, or other tryptamines. The latter are psychedelic, the other stuff are deleriants and most often cause unpleasant results, not only for the internal experience, but people end up encountering police while acting erratically.
Every year or two I read a report of some teens trying to get high on jimsonweed and getting arrested for erratic or even violent behavior. Most of them don’t die, but plenty do (scopolamine in jimsonweed is just as likely to kill as it is cause terrifying hallucinations).
It was indeed trippy. Id be speaking to someone face to face, then out of nowhere that person. And the surroundings would shift to someone and something different.
Like for fake example id be talking to Samuel L Jackson, one on one, standing in a hallway.
"Tomorrow the weather is supposed to be...-'
Then mid sentence it'd shift to me speaking to Owen Wilson and Martin Lawrence inside of a blockbuster or somethig like that for like half an hour.. only to snap back to reality with Samuel L Jackson looking at me asking me to continue. With me completely aware of a conversation I had with the other two, unaware of what I was saying to Sam. Often disoriented from my sudden change in direction.
Scopolamine was prescribed in patch form to me for vertigo and made me psychotic. Probably could be described as delirious. But it was a rather unpleasant and aggressive trip. Not quite related, but for migraines I used to be prescribed a compound that included codeine, caffeine, and belladonna and the belladonna was certainly something. It made me happy trippy. Well maybe all three together but I know codeine and I know caffeine and the high was different than those.
Do the medicines atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine cause delirium too? Do they try to keep those prescriptions at low enough doses so that they don't?
I have psychosis when I take scopolamine, as prescribed. I guess it could be called delirium. I took it for vertigo in patch form. I put it behind my ear and went to bed and woke up edgy and hearing things. Paranoid of everything. No more of that.
Yes, the medicines are the same as the alkaloids in the plants - though they are likely synthesized in a lab. It is important to remember that there are plenty of medicines that can cause severe side-effects or prove fatal if the dose is large enough, but you shouldn't be worried about taking the dose prescribed by your doctor or listed on the packaging.
For example, Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) is usually taken at doses between 15-50mgs to treat allergies, but doses exceeding 200mg can cause delirium. I'm not sure what doses of Atropine, Scopolamine, & Hyoscyamine are used for medications, but an overdose could cause delirium.
Another thing to note: You really can't know the exact potency of a plant because there are too many variables that could affect it. For example, all parts of Datura inoxia are toxic, but each part of the plant (leaf, roots, flowers, seeds) contains different amounts of the three alkaloids. Environmental factors like temperature, drought, sunlight exposure, & damage from predation can affect potency. To make things worse, if you grew two D. inoxias from seed that came from the same fruit, one could be up to five times as toxic as the other.
I knew when I was writing up a list of the unique, outlier drugs (like Salvia & Amanita) that I was forgetting something! Thank you for reminding me of Iboga. Syrian Rue & other MAOI-containing might also be worth a mention, as well as Zolpidem (Ambien). I'm sure there are others that have slipped my mind too.
Dr. Shulgin noted that he always regretted not exploring novel anti-histamines more closely before his death as well. I've been fascinated with the subject since the 80s.
I took Nightshades in chocolates I got from a dude on Facebook and had NO "trip" beyond feeling like my heart turned over in my chest, started POUNDING and racing and I was certain I was going to die. My brain split in two and the more rational side had to get my panicking side to control my breathing and calm down.
Ever since then, I can't take any regular medication without intense fear and a need to double and triple check any side effects or interactions.
It was/has been horrible, but the thing that pisses me off the most is that I didn't get to have a trip on top of all the bullshit. 😅 Figured at that point, I'd earned it.
There is a huge distinction between those edible nightshade plants and the toxic nightshade plants. They may be in the same family, but you should never eat a datura flower (called jimsonweed in OPs explanation) unless you want severe delirium that is almost always accompanied by terrifying and extremely realistic hallucinations that can last up to 3 days and even possibly death if the flower was potent enough. Sage is an example of another common household ingredient that is also in the same family as a psychoactive herb, it is in the salvia family. Salvia Divinorum is even called Diviners Sage. We could go on and on about this.
While those are in the same family, I'm primarily referring to the genera: Datura (Devil's Trumpet, Jimsonweed), Brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet), Atropa (Deadly Nightshade), Mandragora (Mandrake), & Hyoscyamus (Henbane). There are other plants that contain the Tropane alkaloids that I was referring to, but these are the most notorious.
In the Americas, Datura is by far the most well known; growing as weeds & commonly sold due to their large & fragrant flowers. Brugmansia is the tree equivalent to Datura, which has even larger, fragrant flowers. I believe the other genera mentioned are Old World plants, found primarily in Europe & Africa. As an American, I'm not too familiar with how common those ones are or if they're ever sold as ornamental flowers.
Tomato, potato, and eggplant leaves are toxic, as are potato fruits. One potato fruit, which kinda look like tomatoes, could potentially kill you.
Tobacco leaves are also toxic, nicotine is a neurotoxin, we're just large enough that a few leaves worth won't kill us, unlike an insect.
When I was a teenager I often couldn’t sleep and would take Benadryl. Which of course is wildly unhealthy, but my parents were terrible so they’d give me that. I had the absolute worst hallucinations of angels surrounding me and telling me to forget who I was. It was horrifying and honestly a bit traumatizing. Learning that this was likely delirium makes total sense. Thank you for this explanation!
I tried Sinicuichi (H Salicfolia) when I was a kid. To this day it remains one of the strangest experiences I have ever had. The main effect was an extremely vivid, 10 minute long auditory hallucination shared amongst our group.
We were under a tin roof and as we passed the joint of Sinicuichi around, we came to believe a super intense thunderstorm had just started. 10 minutes later, the rain stopped so we opened the door and peered out. There was not a cloud in the sky nor a drop on the ground.
So did I. They ended up making a tea out of an entire datura plant and split it between around 8 people. None of them were my friends, but it was funny to hear about.
Two friends of mine did the same in rural Arizona and had a night of the worst bad trips I’ve ever heard firsthand. The checker floor was full of infinite voids, one of them thought a monster was eating him and came to eventually with his long hair tangled in a stand fan, they kept trying to go for a smoke break and they’d roll a cigarette and it would disappear. Both expressed immediate and long-lasting regret, “I think it damaged something in my brain” sort of experiences, and tried to talk anyone else out of any curiosity after that.
Jimson weed aka Datura fascinates the hell out of me, the trip reports are so similar and unlike psychedelics where you recognise that what you’re seeing isn’t actually there despite how convincing it looks, the deliriant aspect of datura makes people lose their grounding to where they believe their trip is 100% real. People report things spending days with old friends who were never there, and so many people say they are always looking for a lost cigarette dispute not smoking. I know it’s used in microdoses in ointments to treat pain and also in Ayahuasca brews as it’s great for preventing nausea.
The problem with it is that trip reports by experienced, open minded and insightful people who are capable of critical analysis just isn’t there, it’s mostly younger people who take it on impulse and don’t take precautions with things like dose and ending up in hospital with psychosis is really common.
I’ve read literally ONE well thought out report on it which can be found here:
I’ve heard first hand stories from a number of people who experimented with Brugmansia or what’s colloquially referred to as “La Reina de la Noche” or “Queen of the Night” in Costa Rica.
Apparently the stamens on the flowers produce a clear, oily nectar overnight and it’s most potent just before dawn when the flowers begin to close up again. If you imbibe the nectar of multiple blooms or eat the flowers you’ll embark on a terrifying multi-day trip.
I’ve never heard of a positive experience where the brave soul learned a life lesson or anything interesting. It was generally regarded as a very long, bad trip that was difficult to recover from and scary in the worst sort of way. Locals knew that the flowers were dangerous and many folks had a story about someone who never was the same again after messing with those flowers.
I’m experienced in most types of mind altering drugs, and a curious brave sort when it comes to experimentation but the stories I heard about the trumpet flowers were enough to deter me.
The plant/tree is beautiful though and fragrant and the insects and birds seem to love it.
i had two of those flowers for a while but they died before i could plant them (i kept them in water for two years though). i never knew they had this effect! glad i never had anything like that happen and im glad to know before i get another one (which i will someday when i can plant it).
I was prescribed Ambien once for sleep trouble, and it too made me hallucinate little gnomes were going inside and out of a window air conditioning unit. I also saw the walls melting, had double vision, and completely forgot certain periods of time. Really wild that this drug is so widely accepted in the medical field. It probably shouldn't be...
My husband was prescribed it when it was first available & we were laying in bed having a perfectly normal conversation and then he started to hallucinate.
I’m glad I quickly realized it was the medication and that the love of my life wasn’t suddenly schizophrenic. I told my doctor about it the next day and she said “Oh yeah, totally normal - whatever you do, don’t mix it with alcohol.”
I think that is why you see so many airport/airplane freak outs like that woman who said “that motherfucker isn’t real”.
Known a few people who have had datura on different occasions. There really is no such thing as proper prep. Once your delusional it's just a matter of what you experience and how you respond and what you do. Could get lucky and just dance in invisible parties, smoke invisable cigarettes and listen to boom box plants. Go to "sleep" and snore loudly for 10 min, then get up and shower with your clothes on, then go back to sleep. Or you can think little yard lamps are aliens and knock yourself out cold while running into a glass door. Or you can end up in a coma for a few months and wake up as an entirely different person (I've seen these plus more).
Also wanted to add, apparently the worst dry mouth you've ever had or experienced in your entire life. And the best kicker that is, you'll pour yourself a glass of water, take a sip, put it down and forget it ever existed, only to repeat.
It's still very interesting that you see little people on this mushroom since you can also see elves on the right dose of psilocybin or more classically on DMT. There's just some common element buried deep within our psychology that manifests these same sorts of things.
Actually the red and white amanita mushrooms are eaten by reindeer, the reindeer gets high, then people would drink the tripping reindeer’s pee to get high themselves. It would be a safer way to consume the psychoactives, as raw amanita mushrooms can kill you, but the reindeer pee acts as a filter.
Psilocybin mushrooms grow wild all over the place. Where I grew up in Britain you basically had an unlimited supply if you knew what to look for. My school playing fields were covered in Liberty Caps.
One of the suggested articles at the bottom of the OP's article says that psilocybin's active properties evolved around 65 million years ago at the time of the Chixulub meteor & end of the dinosaurs. So, maybe... the psychoactive part came from space!
I’ve reviewed a ton of medical charts and your experience (more or less) is relatively common. I wasn’t familiar with Sigur Rós until just now but it definitely sounds a bit shroomy, which is definitely how many aspects of ambien seem to be described by a significant subset of patients.
I didn't stay awake on it often, and it worked really well for about two years. Problem was, I didn't fix my insomnia. That second year it started getting unreliable - occasionally wondering who folded all my laundry for me, and why they did so poorly. Then I was staying the weekend at my mom's, according to my little brother I walked downstairs about 2am, dumped the syrup from a can of peaches into about a pint of vodka, downed it, and went back to bed. I didn't die, but I did wonder why I felt so bad, and who vomited on the bathroom ceiling. Last time I took Ambien.
Probably the same circuits used for recognizing other people (Possibly specific circuits for recognizing distant people?) being stimulated to the point where ANYTHING is recognized as people.
At least, if not more than a standard heroic dose defined by Terrence McKenna as 5 dried grams usually done in silent darkness. It's more typical and well known with DMT but possible with other psychedelics.
I would bet its culturally dependent and suggestive. Just like how people who experience sleep paralysis, their monster at the end of the bed is different based on their culture.
Researchers have given psychedelics to people across a wide array of different cultures, and reports of little elf like entities are shockingly consistent.
Psilocybin and DMT are almost identical molecularly with the exception of psilocybin having an additional isomer chain which makes it orally bioavailable and what’s crazy is the human serotonin molecule also looks identical. And Dmt is produced naturally in the human body and I think this is why elements from both experiences overlap. My opinion is it’s 3rd eye activation removing filters.
This new species however is very different, it can’t even be classified as a psychedelic and people don’t report as profound experiences, just seeing a species of tiny people. No one’s said their frightening or insightful just that that’s all the trip really is. Like one guy in the article took them didn’t think they were working because he didn’t feel anything but when he lifts his picnic blanket he sees a whole tribe of little people just chilling
You don't need hope for that. Hoping Stamets will study a mushroom is like hoping a fungus will eat something dead. I would be surprised if Stamets isn't tripping on them right now.
patients with Lewy Body Dementia (LBD) may experience visual hallucinations involving figures from folklore, such as fairies or leprechauns. Hallucinations are a common symptom of LBD, often involving detailed visions of people, children, or animals.
Understanding the Phenomenon
The search results include a letter to the editor in a psychiatry journal titled "Leprechauns and Lewy body disease," which details case studies of patients, particularly from Western Ireland, who reported visual hallucinations of leprechauns.
This phenomenon is a cultural manifestation of the visual hallucinations that are a core feature of LBD. The content of these hallucinations often relates to a person's cultural background, personal history, and environment.
Nature of Hallucinations: The hallucinations in LBD are typically visual, detailed, and recurrent, often appearing as people or animals that are not present.
These might affect the same portions of the brain.
Yeah. My granddad had that and I remember him being upset because a leprechaun stole his purse. It cracked me up at the time since he was the definition of toxic masculinity, but he was SO pissed about losing that imaginary purse.
My mom told me stories of her older brothers coming home and seeing little green creatures crawling out from under the kitchen appliances. I always wondered what they took lol
They really only want to pin stuff like a specific molecule down so they can regulate and exploit it. I applaud this mushroom for keeping it's secrets.
Exactly, there’s no therapeutic benefit to seeing a small kingdom of tiny people living their lives, but what if you can develop a relationship with them and a species you can have a symbiotic relationship with since mushrooms love offering those kinds of arrangements throughout nature.
There are close to 200 species of mushrooms that contain psilocybin, across several different genus.
This mushroom from OP is not just a different species than the common psilocybin-containing mushroom most people in the west think of (Psilocybe cubensis), but an entirely different genus from those known to contain psilocybin, and as you note, it appears to be a novel psychoactive compound.
Paul is a snake oil salesman... he has dubious credentials and even worse takes.. I wouldnt use him as a source other than very surface level understandings.
I think you are wrong. He wrote the Bible for hobbyist mycologists. The guy has devoted his life to understanding macrofungi and helped so many curious folks along the way.
Yeah what I’ve realised is that just because someone gets involved in a scandal it doesn’t mean that everything they’ve ever said should be discredited. I think people look for gurus (for lack of better words) they can follow and life just doesn’t work like that you need to independently take information from multiple people/sources etc
Him pushing the benefits of certain mushrooms over others as a way of promotion isn’t ideal marketing and doesn’t change the sheer depth of knowledge he possesses in his field about. The history of so many variety of fungi at a micro level so I can’t agree with the commenter above you who said using him as a source other than for surface level understandings when he provides a depth of understanding not many do, plus none of his information has been blatantly false. I mean he quotes peer reviewed studies that he was involved in conducting FFS!
I took a ton of dramamine once and saw little surf like creatures running around terrorizing things. Like pulling parts off the bottom of cars and shit. Wild.
Sure but all these entity’s are submerged within the psychedelic trip, this isn’t a psychedelic you don’t really trip you just vividly see these little people.
Wow my reading comprehension must be really bad, I’ve directly copy and pasted every reference to what people experienced seeing these Directly from the article:
Number 1
>One elder tribesman in Papua New Guinea describes this effect, explaining how “he saw tiny people with mushrooms around their faces.
Number 2
>after consuming a popular wild mushroom known locally as “Jian shou qing,” locals frequently report having unbelievably bizarre experiences, most notable characterized by seeing “xiao ren ren,” or little people.
Number 3
>A professor in Yunnan recounted how one evening during dinner (Jian shou qing is openly sold in markets and restaurants), he began seeing swirling shapes and colors after eating stir-fried mushrooms. Since the psychoactive effects are familiar to most locals, he began looking for xiao ren ren but was disappointed to find none — until he lifted the tablecloth and peeked underneath, seeing “hundreds of xiao ren ren, marching like soldiers.”
Number 5
>Although Lanmaoa asiatica is a recent scientific discovery, the knowledge and use of this psychoactive mushroom may have much deeper ancient roots in Chinese culture. A prominent Daoist text from the 3rd century CE refers to a “flesh spirit mushroom,” which, according to the text, if consumed raw, allows one to “see a little person” and “attain transcendence immediately.”
Then in the concluding part of the article the author writes
>Surprisingly, I became aware of yet another independent report of the exact same phenomenon — a mushroom that caused lilliputian hallucinations, but this time from an entirely different region of the world. Indigenous communities in the Philippines' remote Northern Cordillera were collecting and consuming a wild mushroom which, according to local knowledge, occasionally evokes visions of little people, which they call the “ansisit.” The mushroom is known locally as "Sedesdem." Just as the “Nonda” in Papua New Guinea and “Jian shou qing”
Was it that I referred to them as smurfs? Should I have said xiao ren ren?
> Early accounts from Papua New Guinea described people eating a wild mushroom and suddenly seeing tiny, lifelike figures moving around them, a rare “lilliputian” hallucination.
This is exactly what happens in Common Side Effects.
A weird question, but the fictional character who is the Chief of Engineering in Star Trek: Discovery is named Stamemts as well. He develops and operates a mycelium network warp drive thingy. An homage?
>And still, no known psychedelic compounds have been found. Researchers are now sequencing and analyzing this mushroom to understand what’s behind these consistent effects. A new molecule? A biological mechanism we haven’t seen before?
Cuz there is no psychedelic effect. It lets you see the hidden world
I just recently grew a newer type of mushroom from the Virgin Islands, and it's stupid fuckin' strong. Like, 5x stronger than a normal mushroom. If these get crossed, shit is gonna be wild, lol.
Without doing enough scientific research on psychedelics so please take.my opinion as to that of Alex Reed or Joe roman. I always found tripping to be similar to being able to comprehend a different dimension.
This is like there are actually other living life forms that we can't normally interact with but with certain substances we can see these other phases or dimensions.
Like I said that is from an uneducated (in the field) mind and almost definitely not the actual case, but the consistent interactions are puzzling.
Psilocybin doesn't cause fairy tale like hallucinations. People don't see tiny figures, except in the context of extreme mental states where everything looks personified. The effects of psilocybin defy language and some fairytale metaphors are inevitable, but that isn't the most accurate description.
I'm not sure what language most modern paupuan people speak, they have more languages on their island than all of Europe. IDK if there is a lingua franca. I don't know how well we understand the language or conceptual system behind it. I'm quite sure that there is good translation possible between English with the Chinese dialect, but not that it is easy. Chinese dialects are as mutually intelligible as French and Italian, although they share writing systems and people educated in modern schools generally speak Mandarin fairly well. Not everyone in China speaks Mandarin, and the accuracy of the account really depends on how accurate the translation is .
Pretty much all these studies are possible thanks to the hard work of Rick Doblin and the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). I met Rick at burning man like 15 years ago, and he was so incredibly kind and down to earth. He seemed genuinely interested and excited to hear my story about how his work and psychedelics more or less saved my life.
Myc hardly ever contains actives. Generally, those are saved for the fruit (for evolutionary reasons). I would guess that these would grow well on compost made from pine needles or pine chips. The "Symbiotic" relationships that often exist in nature are not always required for isolate-based growth.
I would start with agar and streak until I got a good isolate, then try growing that isolate out on different media (wood, compost, grain, etc)
Tried one called 6-APB over 10 years ago. Us youngsters called it "peanut butter".
It was similar to NZT-48 from Limitless, I became strangely lucid, more clear of mind than I'd ever felt and kept asking people their phone numbers so I could memorize them.
To this day, my numerical recall is impeccable. I'm pretty deep into the decimals of pi.
Bruh, missing out. You got a fuck on a Phenethylamine, MDMA, 2CB, both. They also synergize really well with Tryptamines. If you've done LSD, LSA or any other Lysergamine you've had the subjective effects already
I'm 100% convinced there are spirits at all different levels of personal development with varying morals.
I've met some chill ass lil elf dudes on DMT trips that were so harmonious I got the sense they were keeping the universe in working order, and also met some holy-shit-not-good bad vibe dudes I had to literally pray to be saved from.
I quit DMT after that, some depths aren't meant to be plunged.
> genomic analysis reveals that the closest relative of L. asiatica is a species commonly found (though rarely eaten) here in North America
Indigenous Peoples here have a lot of stories of little people, too. I wonder if they didn't eat the mushrooms from time to time, maybe not even intentionally.
> Chemical and genomic analyses have shown that the Lanmaoa asiatica does not contain any known psychoactive compounds such as psilocybin or muscimol. It is likely that there is a yet-unknown hallucinogenic compound waiting to be discovered in this species.
Well hallucinogenic is seeing stuff not there maybe this exposes something that is there and the best we can do is see it as little people. These are 100% shared hallucinations how likely is that?
Under no circumstances am I suggesting to try this but mixing Ambien with very small amounts of alcohol produced the same hallucinations. Tiny elf people marching about as if they were secretly intertwined with reality. They were marching on a tree when I saw them, like ants, could even hear their marching steps. It looked like they were making the leaves move when the wind blew. Mixing Ambien with alcohol is pretty dangerous and not nearly as much fun as mushrooms.
Maybe. the article did say a dude lifted up tablecloth and bunch of them were just marching along the table. He did it again but their heads popped off and were still attached to the tablecloth they were smiling, and the bodies continued to march.
When I was only a few years old I got very sick with high fever and reportedly asked my parents why little green men were walking around on the ceiling. Maybe I'm the mushroom, moo moo kachew
If they don't have psilocybin then they must be legal. I am heading to the Asian grocery store tomorrow. So, I guess I will look for. "Jian shou qing" I need to look up some recipes.
The question is which kind of fairytale? Are we talking like the 19th century sanitized kind or the original kind? Because those are two very different experiences.
I think I did these in China near Yunnan. You go to this town where people are a little zombie like, a little more than normal small towns. They sell mushroom soup with a time telling you to “wait until 20 minutes.” But the key is to only wait 10+ minutes. Then you become a zombie too. Maybe over cooked or didn’t do enough or was with the wrong people so not much else to report
Never have I seen a stereotyical psychedelic experience consistently across broad demographics. Not when asking my patient what they took last night, not when officiating psychedelics myself, even when the substance is legit and tested consistently by my own kit. Heck, I've never taken the same psychedelic twice and gotten the same result. My budtender sells me side effects that are suggestions. All this to say: I suggest psychedelic research should be done by people that have at least tried the substance that they're trying to describe as psychedelic. Also, there is wisdom in the traditional method of paying the shaman to do the ceremony on your behalf, especially if there is cause to seek this type of counseling.
Some people just don't respond to them due to individual biological variations. Others are on certain types of meds, especially depression meds, that also almost completely kill the effects they have. Some people are just unlucky.
not quite, but if you practise kundalini and force yourself to suffocate until you are involuntarily posturing or whatever its called until you have a mental break (some guy said it was called breathplay or something)
only then, and after abusing normal magic fungus and horse anaesthetic can you call yourself an expert. i met one and i would 100% say he was an expert in the studies
Smurfs are not children.
They are an entirely different species, fictional, and hallucinogenic due to the use of newly discovered asian mushrooms that make you hallucinate smurfs.
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
I read the title of this article thinking “yeah psilocybin mushroom” but when reading the article it’s an ENTIRELY different species. Lanmaoa asiatica, everyone who eats it reports seeing tiny Smurf like people interacting with them and what’s crazy is it seems like a fairly recent discovery. I refer to Paul Stamemts usually for anythung fungi related as he’s the leading industry expert and this is all he’s said about it on his twitter
>Early accounts from Papua New Guinea described people eating a wild mushroom and suddenly seeing tiny, lifelike figures moving around them, a rare “lilliputian” hallucination. Decades later, the same reports surfaced in Yunnan and the Philippines. All lead back to one species: Lanmaoa asiatica. And still, no known psychedelic compounds have been found. Researchers are now sequencing and analyzing this mushroom to understand what’s behind these consistent effects. A new molecule? A biological mechanism we haven’t seen before?
I need him and Hamilton Morris to do trip reports asap,
wingedcoyote | 2 months ago
That's interesting. I've heard that jimsonweed also has a tendency to cause hallucinations of tiny people (usually unpleasant). I wonder what causes that specific phenomenon and if it's anything in common between the two.
penguinheadnoah | 2 months ago
Jimsonweed & related Nightshade plants contain Tropane alkaloids (Atropine, Scopolamine, & Hyoscyamine), which cause delirium. Deliriants are uniquely different from psychedelic hallucinogens such as DMT, Psilocybin "shrooms", LSD, & Mescaline; dissociatives like PCP, Ketamine, & DXM; or weird outliers such as Salvinorin A (which works on opioid receptors) & Muscimol (which works on GABA receptors).
Delirium isn't unique to Nightshades & can also be caused by large doses of Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or even a lack of sleep. Hallucinations from psychedelics & dissociatives are generally unrealistic & distinguishable from reality like geometric patterns & visual distortions, whereas delirium produces mostly realistic hallucinations, like bugs & people, that are indistinguishable from reality.
Never in my readings of trip reports or own experience under the effects of delirium have I encountered "tiny people", though it isn't impossible. I've only ever heard of tiny, elf-like or alien people being a common trope for DMT (& large doses of related drugs).
All of this is to say that I doubt that the mushroom mentioned in the article contains alkaloids present in Nightshade. There are other uniquely psychoactive organisms, such as the "Sun Opener" plant (Heimia salicifolia) which cause yellow visual distortions but is poorly understood & lacking in research, so this mushroom might be completely unique in its own right too.
(Disclaimer: Please, never experiment with deliriants - especially Nightshades. The experience is, at best, one you'll unlikely remember due to short-term amnesia, incredibly unpleasant, or - in the case of Nightshades - easily fatal.)
CariniFluff | 2 months ago
It may be a kappa opioid agonist along the lines of Salvinorin A (active ingredient in Salvia Divinorum). I always saw little "machine elves" on Salvia.
Salvinorin A wiki
nickersb83 | 2 months ago
What does the kappa prefix mean in this context? Seems wild to make the jump from serotonin 2-A receptors to the opioids
CariniFluff | 2 months ago
There are 3 confirmed opioid sub receptors: Delta, Kappa and Mu (for a long time the sigma receptor was thought to be an opiate subtype because opioids bound to the structure. However, semi recently pharmacologists realized that it's not an opioid specific receptor and a ton of different chemical structures bind to it).
The Mu (μ) opioid receptor (MOR) is your traditional morphine hit - warm and fuzzy, then itchy and sedated, and too much causes CNS collapse from sedation. The mu receptor is particularly activated when there is acute pain.
The Delta (δ) opioid receptor (DOR) also causes analgesia but is considered more of a potentiator of the MU receptor and is triggered for chronic pain. Researchers still don't fully understand it, but it seems like Delta might be the "background level" analgesia and when it's not cutting it, the mu receptor gets triggered. It has also shown mixed results regarding respiratory depression, in some instances it depresses it while in other instances it has been shown to excite the respiratory system.
Finally there's the Kappa (κ) Opioid receptor (KOR) which is almost the opposite of the Mu receptor. Activating the Kappa receptor causes dysphoria, agitation, hallucinations and depending on the drug, a high enough dose will even cause seizures. Salvinorin A has the strongest binding affinity to the Kappa receptor known to man (AFAIK) and the effects from ingesting salvia are thought to be mediated via this route.
More opiate info:
Meperidine/Pethidine aka Demerol was a very widely used painkiller post WWII that has a high affinity for both mu and Kappa receptors. It was well known that an overdose would be extremely complicated as the patient would simultaneously have respiratory depression but CNS stimulation including seizures. At less than full on OD doses, patients would get agitated and restless very easily on meperidine and virtually all of its "chemical cousins".
Virtually all opioids fall into one of three structural families: morphines, pethidines and fentanyls.
Finally I should say that the Kappa receptor suggestion was just a wild suggestion based on the reported hallucinations. There are dozens of different ways to make someone hallucinate from activating serotonin, dopamine or norepinephrine receptors, to blocking NMDA receptors, to blocking acetylcholine, or activating muscarinic receptors. Opioids are another option, GABA dysfunction can cause hallucinations. And for every receptor there are multiple subtypes and further there are usually multiple chemical structures that can affect the receptors (agonists, antagonists, allosteric modulators, affecting ion channel charges, or even just blocking the reuptake of neurotransmitters, or blocking enzymes that break down or create the endogenous neurotransmitters). There's a LOT of ways to skin the cat.
I should also state that I'm not a practicing pharmacologist and some of this info may be slightly out of date, as all of my primary research was done 15-20 years ago. I do try to keep up with current findings though (like the Sigma removal).
Chaosangel48 | 2 months ago
That was very educational. Thanks!
ObjectiveRegret5683 | 2 months ago
Thanks for all the info, that was super interesting
wonkywilla | 2 months ago
Fascinating.
I would suppose there would likely be a genetic link between specific receptor activations, despite target agonists of certain drugs? I’d be interested to read about any found.
Both my mother and I experience very negative mental effects and dysphoria on varying types of opioids, even at lower doses. Not withdrawal related, it occurs from first dose. Of those administered, morphine, fentanyl, codeine, and hydrocodone—all produced the same or similar dysphoria. I will personally refuse them.
To quote my mother multiple times, “I can’t believe people do this sh** for fun,”and “I just want this feeling to stop.” Euphoria or warm and fuzzy, are the opposites of what we experience. She couldn’t describe it herself, but I would best describe it as the unbearable mental and physical feeling of wanting to crawl out of your own skin.
Knowing there is a specific receptor responsible for how we might respond to the same drugs others in the immediate family do not experience, does make sense. Thinking out loud—Whatever possible gene(s) that could potentially be responsible would have been passed or completed on the X chromosomes in our (XX) cases. Both my father and brother have a history of opioid abuse/dependence, so it would not pass/complete and/or could be overwritten on the Y? Has a possible sex related link been found?
Edit to add: It’s not gonadal hormone expressions, as long before this experience she had a full hysterectomy. No ovaries.
CariniFluff | 2 months ago
Interestingly my father absolutely hates opiates the way you describe. He'll take maybe 2 Vicodin before leaving the hospital after surgery and then won't take any more, even when in terrible pain. He says he hates the way it makes him feel and it doesn't help with pain other than making him groggy and forgetting about it (which TBH is exactly how I describe opiate pain killing; it doesn't actually reduce the pain, instead it just makes you high enough that you don't care about it).
However myself and my siblings as well as some people on my mom's side of the family all have had addiction issues with opiates (women and men). I've had a love-hate relationship since the first time I was prescribed one and regularly used poppies that I grew to make tea for over a decade. They are a blessing and a curse, and we've absolutely co-evolved with poppies over thousands of years. It seems like the vast majority of humans are wired to (over) love opiates but there's still plenty of people (genetics or just personality-wise) that don't enjoy them.
pixeldust6 | 2 months ago
Alcohol is another thing that some people (me) genetically have adverse reactions to, which can really deter (ab)use. Disulfiram is a drug that temporarily induces this effect in people who don't normally experience it and is sometimes used for alcohol rehab. Some mushrooms can also have this effect.
wonkywilla | 2 months ago
Yes, I also experience the same reaction to alcohol!
CariniFluff | 2 months ago
Very interesting, I knew about disulfiram but not about Coprine, the chemical in some mushrooms. For the lazy, both disulfiram and coprine block the production of the enzyme that breaks down acetaldehyde (the primary metabolite of ethanol and the main cause of hangovers). In this way either of those drugs will cause an immediate buildup of acetaldehyde and make you not want to consume any more alcohol.
As I'm sure you know, Indigenous Americans usually have a genetic modification that greatly reduces the production of the Alcohol dehydrogenase, the primary enzyme that metabolizes ethanol into acetaldehyde. This makes the ethanol stay ethanol far longer, which in turn makes them get very drunk from only 2 or 3 beers, with the hangover being a long ways off. Alcoholism is a major problem amongst this population. My friend who used to teach on a Navajo reservation would tell me about the one road going from the reservation to town 50 miles away being absolutely littered with empty bottles of liquor and even hand sanitizer.
Disulfiram and even naloxone (the anti-OD opiate antagonist) are generally used to treat alcohol abuse disorder in this population; the former to help intensify hangovers and the latter to help prevent general addiction/association of alcohol with pleasure. Narcan is also used for treating cocaine addiction and preventing relapse and has been tried for nicotine cessation as well, with limited success. It has a nearly 100% success rate in preventing opioid abuse disorder relapse but must be taken daily or preferably as a multi-day patch/injection.
wonkywilla | 2 months ago
Oh no, I just meant it was possibly genetic on the X in this case for us specifically. Not that it couldn’t happen in other ways otherwise. I do know that certain pain medications don’t work for me at all. With opiates specifically, I can’t remember if the pain was blocked, but I do remember thinking that the “crawl out of my skin” feeling was unbearable to the point of almost painful. I would also agree that I’d rather take something less effective, or nothing at all and be in pain, than experience opiates again.
Ironically both sides of the family have issues with alcoholism, though I again dislike and have the negative reaction to alcohol like described in the other comment.
CariniFluff | 2 months ago
Yeah the "crawling out of your skin" feeling is probably from either an over-expression of Kappa receptors or maybe the drug had a larger than usual affinity for the receptor (Pethidine class?). It definitely sounds closer to dysphoria rather than the itchy feeling from Mu-mediated histamine release that can feel pleasurable.
Salvia (Kappa agonist) was famous for causing dysphoria; people would come down and say they had the craziest hallucinations but most people would be one and done for the night. They didn't have any desire to immediately repeat the experience. I definitely felt that way when I smoked salvia extracts, the hallucinations weren't scary but your whole body and brain just had this indescribably unpleasant feeling.
blak3brd | 2 months ago
We have several opioid receptors, such as mu opioids that most of the opioid painkillers work on but also kappa opioid receptors - known when agonized to result in dysphoria, hallucinations at a high enough level of agonism, and also involved with tolerance reduction to other substances. Salvia has extremely realistic indistinguishable hallucinations, people commonly reporting becoming an object (like a couch or a gear) for what is perceived to be lifetimes, even in durations of minutes. Much of its effect is due to kappa opioid receptor agonism.
Knotted_Hole69 | 2 months ago
Is it possible a mushroom could get these effects from the cannabinoid system and it’s receptors?
CariniFluff | 2 months ago
Yep another possibility for sure. Some of the cannabinoid analogues that I tried when they first came out like the JWH series could cause hallucinations at high enough doses. That shit could get scary. Not just your typical "weed paranoia".
Admirable-Lecture255 | 2 months ago
I too saw little people the one time I tried salvia. I tried inviting them into our car.
Lostinthestarscape | 2 months ago
Ive taken Glaucine a number of times (the "sun opener" active compound) - its weird, it is a dopamine antagonist.
It is curious and like dipping your toes into a mushroom trip (like 10%, youre off, things are off, you can tell its a trip, but its really mild).
Anyone interested, go for it, but it is underwhelming.
Deleriants in the other hand are batshit bonkers - you are seeing quite crazy things but your brain doesn't stop to question them. It's hallucinations you just go with as if it's completely real. If you plan your trip and make sure you have reminders everywhere that you are tripping you might be OK, but I can totally see hurting yourself or others and having no idea what you are doing on them.
I've taken loads of drugs, im the only human user on record of a couple of them, and I only took deleriants twice. Once because I didnt get quite high enough and I passed out, the second time I was so scared about what I saw and accepted as completely normal.
MenosElLso | 2 months ago
How do you become the only human user on record for a drug? Are you creating them or…?
Lostinthestarscape | 2 months ago
Not creating myself, but had the opportunity related to the Grey Market where companies were making analogs (Research Chemicals) and asked the community if someone would be willing to try one.
I won't go into the specifics, but I had reasons to believe it would likely be safe (essentially it is a prodrug for a safe drug). They made a variety of similar analogs but they were all way too expensive for anyone to actually end up buying.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone else has tried it, I'm just the only person on record. However, these companies are scouring scientific literature to see what analogs were proposed, what things were tried in mice and rats, etc and then paying chinese companies to make the compounds. When their guinea pigs let them know something is good, and they can keep the price of production down, you see new drugs hit the RC scene.
I did get it NMR'd before taking it to make sure it was what it was supposed to be.
mementori | 2 months ago
What was the experience like?
Lostinthestarscape | 2 months ago
It was neat- it was a novel dissociative. I'd describe it as a fairly lucid light ketamine trip. It was more on the manic side of dissociatives so not a couch lock the way k is, but it was also mild enough that the mania was pretty controllable. It was great for being in a tripping state but able to successfully play videogames (well, at least have fun playing - maybe not that successful).
It did have some strobe effects when I took the dose high and it got "alien autopsy" when trying to sleep.
I thought I'd would make a great "party ketamine" other than it was about $60 a dose for like a gram and a half of mushroom strength trip (but dissociative effects, not mushroom effects if that makes sense). $120 for a more interesting dose but was still not as strong as k by a long shot. Really nice lemony taste.
In that same phase I super dosed Memantine (the dementia / stroke recovery drug that is also an NDMA agonist) and that was a horrible mistake. Pretty decent dissociative trip for 6-8 hours but then it had legs for days. I couldn't sleep without insomniac dissociative headspaces for 72 hours and managed to embed a psychic trauma that took years to recover from.
Adventurous-Sort-671 | 2 months ago
Anything's possible when you just use your imagination! 🕺
ElectricStarfuzz | 2 months ago
I’m curious about the what & how of this too.
FlyingRhenquest | 2 months ago
Mushrooms just give me a headache. I mean yeah, you see God, but then he sticks his fingers down your throat and makes you vomit.
Mycologist-9315 | 2 months ago
I've vomited once on psychedelics while insanely high and the 40 minutes of nausea was seriously more excruciating than any pain I've felt in my life jfc. I keep the nausea meds within arm's reach now lol
lalalicious453- | 2 months ago
I prefer L because mushrooms turn me into grandmother willow from Pocahontas. With acid I can be a bit brainy but with shrooms I’m just… an organism.
ObjectiveRegret5683 | 2 months ago
Do you mind sharing some of your experiences with rarer drugs or any extreme drug-related experiences you’ve had? This is a special interest of mine and I always enjoy meeting individuals like you and hearing your experiences. Feel free to disregard if you’d prefer not to, and thanks!
SelimDaGrim | 2 months ago
Please go read Alexander Shulgins Tryptamines I've known and Loved (TiKaL) & Psychedelics Ive Known and Loved (PiKaL)
Shulgin is the chemist who re-synthesized MDMA into its current version from an old soviet formula. He was a genius chemist and he synthesized 1000s of psychoactive compounds and shared them with his well educated friends and they all wrote down their trip reports.
Both books are huge, but in each one the 1st half is dedicated to the story and the 2nd half is detailed instructions on how to make each compound.
ObjectiveRegret5683 | 2 months ago
awesome, thanks so much for the rec!
SelimDaGrim | 2 months ago
The trip reports might be available online if you dont want to go through the trouble of the books.
Enjoy!
ChemicalAbode | 2 months ago
I’ve done datura extract a few times and it definitely wasn’t pleasant. Really I wasn’t all there but I combined it with LSD so it was an incredibly bizarre trip, each time. The most unusual part besides the totally realistic hallucinations, and part i most vividly remember is each time I met an entity, á woman, at a different stage of womanhood, first trip she was young and scary and by the last trip she was an old kind woman. I like to think it was the plants spirit. The first trip was absolutely bonkers, I thought I was a bull at one point running through a then neighbors farm/field and eventually barbed wire fence. Running to something and running from it. Had a series of horrific and insanely lucid visions only bits and pieces of these trips do I recall, the first one in particular i basically have zero recollection of 3 or so entire days, at one point i guess I was attacking my friends truck and somehow ripped his bumper nearly off bending it. I remember some very very dark visions I won’t even go into but one involved an entity melting like wax only upper torso with a decapitated head it held floating in front of me telling me strange things. Anyways, datura is gnarly
ScoobyD00BIEdoo | 2 months ago
On dramamine I saw little beings, kinda like mandragoras off Harry Potter, running around tearing parts off of the bottoms of cars.
Allison-Ghost | 2 months ago
sorry that was just me
driving26inorovalley | 2 months ago
Dang it u/Allison-Ghost, can’t take you nowhere
cyanescens_burn | 2 months ago
Dramamine hallucinations are more similar to tropane alkaloids like scopolamine, chemicals in plants like jimsonweed or mandrake root. These have been associated with witchcraft in European folklore for ages.
Funny that you associated it with that root from the books/movies, since that root is inspired no doubt by mandrake root.
These are more like true hallucinations rather than the visuals people get from psilocybin, DMT, LSD, or other tryptamines. The latter are psychedelic, the other stuff are deleriants and most often cause unpleasant results, not only for the internal experience, but people end up encountering police while acting erratically.
Every year or two I read a report of some teens trying to get high on jimsonweed and getting arrested for erratic or even violent behavior. Most of them don’t die, but plenty do (scopolamine in jimsonweed is just as likely to kill as it is cause terrifying hallucinations).
ScoobyD00BIEdoo | 2 months ago
It was indeed trippy. Id be speaking to someone face to face, then out of nowhere that person. And the surroundings would shift to someone and something different.
Like for fake example id be talking to Samuel L Jackson, one on one, standing in a hallway.
"Tomorrow the weather is supposed to be...-'
Then mid sentence it'd shift to me speaking to Owen Wilson and Martin Lawrence inside of a blockbuster or somethig like that for like half an hour.. only to snap back to reality with Samuel L Jackson looking at me asking me to continue. With me completely aware of a conversation I had with the other two, unaware of what I was saying to Sam. Often disoriented from my sudden change in direction.
Ok-Comedian-9377 | 2 months ago
Scopolamine was prescribed in patch form to me for vertigo and made me psychotic. Probably could be described as delirious. But it was a rather unpleasant and aggressive trip. Not quite related, but for migraines I used to be prescribed a compound that included codeine, caffeine, and belladonna and the belladonna was certainly something. It made me happy trippy. Well maybe all three together but I know codeine and I know caffeine and the high was different than those.
penguinheadnoah | 2 months ago
Belladonna IS related! Atropa belladonna is the "Deadly Nightshade" & contains Atropine, Scopolamine, & Hyoscyamine.
ILuvMyLilTurtles | 2 months ago
Like Lizard Man?
ScoobyD00BIEdoo | 2 months ago
Nah like little root people. Like the thing they pull up in Harry Potter. The thing that screams.
detrans-rights | 2 months ago
I did sun opener tea 20 years ago. Chest hurt and voices sounded like robots for days. Scary shit
greengiant89 | 2 months ago
Do the medicines atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine cause delirium too? Do they try to keep those prescriptions at low enough doses so that they don't?
Ok-Comedian-9377 | 2 months ago
I have psychosis when I take scopolamine, as prescribed. I guess it could be called delirium. I took it for vertigo in patch form. I put it behind my ear and went to bed and woke up edgy and hearing things. Paranoid of everything. No more of that.
penguinheadnoah | 2 months ago
Yes, the medicines are the same as the alkaloids in the plants - though they are likely synthesized in a lab. It is important to remember that there are plenty of medicines that can cause severe side-effects or prove fatal if the dose is large enough, but you shouldn't be worried about taking the dose prescribed by your doctor or listed on the packaging.
For example, Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) is usually taken at doses between 15-50mgs to treat allergies, but doses exceeding 200mg can cause delirium. I'm not sure what doses of Atropine, Scopolamine, & Hyoscyamine are used for medications, but an overdose could cause delirium.
Another thing to note: You really can't know the exact potency of a plant because there are too many variables that could affect it. For example, all parts of Datura inoxia are toxic, but each part of the plant (leaf, roots, flowers, seeds) contains different amounts of the three alkaloids. Environmental factors like temperature, drought, sunlight exposure, & damage from predation can affect potency. To make things worse, if you grew two D. inoxias from seed that came from the same fruit, one could be up to five times as toxic as the other.
Dirty_South_Cracka | 2 months ago
Ibogaine alkaloids? Would be a first.
penguinheadnoah | 2 months ago
I knew when I was writing up a list of the unique, outlier drugs (like Salvia & Amanita) that I was forgetting something! Thank you for reminding me of Iboga. Syrian Rue & other MAOI-containing might also be worth a mention, as well as Zolpidem (Ambien). I'm sure there are others that have slipped my mind too.
Dirty_South_Cracka | 2 months ago
Dr. Shulgin noted that he always regretted not exploring novel anti-histamines more closely before his death as well. I've been fascinated with the subject since the 80s.
CryptidTrainer | 2 months ago
I took Nightshades in chocolates I got from a dude on Facebook and had NO "trip" beyond feeling like my heart turned over in my chest, started POUNDING and racing and I was certain I was going to die. My brain split in two and the more rational side had to get my panicking side to control my breathing and calm down.
Ever since then, I can't take any regular medication without intense fear and a need to double and triple check any side effects or interactions.
ObjectiveRegret5683 | 2 months ago
Sorry that sounds awful for you
CryptidTrainer | 2 months ago
It was/has been horrible, but the thing that pisses me off the most is that I didn't get to have a trip on top of all the bullshit. 😅 Figured at that point, I'd earned it.
The reviews were so glowing...
BenjaminHamnett | 2 months ago
Like tomatoes, peppers, eggplants and tobacco?
Iambic_420 | 2 months ago
There is a huge distinction between those edible nightshade plants and the toxic nightshade plants. They may be in the same family, but you should never eat a datura flower (called jimsonweed in OPs explanation) unless you want severe delirium that is almost always accompanied by terrifying and extremely realistic hallucinations that can last up to 3 days and even possibly death if the flower was potent enough. Sage is an example of another common household ingredient that is also in the same family as a psychoactive herb, it is in the salvia family. Salvia Divinorum is even called Diviners Sage. We could go on and on about this.
BenjaminHamnett | 2 months ago
I appreciate it
penguinheadnoah | 2 months ago
While those are in the same family, I'm primarily referring to the genera: Datura (Devil's Trumpet, Jimsonweed), Brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet), Atropa (Deadly Nightshade), Mandragora (Mandrake), & Hyoscyamus (Henbane). There are other plants that contain the Tropane alkaloids that I was referring to, but these are the most notorious.
In the Americas, Datura is by far the most well known; growing as weeds & commonly sold due to their large & fragrant flowers. Brugmansia is the tree equivalent to Datura, which has even larger, fragrant flowers. I believe the other genera mentioned are Old World plants, found primarily in Europe & Africa. As an American, I'm not too familiar with how common those ones are or if they're ever sold as ornamental flowers.
TheGreatNico | 2 months ago
Tomato, potato, and eggplant leaves are toxic, as are potato fruits. One potato fruit, which kinda look like tomatoes, could potentially kill you.
Tobacco leaves are also toxic, nicotine is a neurotoxin, we're just large enough that a few leaves worth won't kill us, unlike an insect.
cyanescens_burn | 2 months ago
Yup. They all have tropane alkaloids. The fruits (eggplant, pepper, tomatoes) don’t always, but the leaves do.
Tomatoes have solanine in the leaves, tobacco has nicotine, datura has scopolamine, etc.
BenjaminHamnett | 2 months ago
I feel like you’re too late. Lot of people already messing with tomatoes and tobacco
Longjumping_Nail_486 | 2 months ago
They used Nightshade and Morphine for childbirth and called it 'Twilight Sleep'
Sorry_Ad3733 | 2 months ago
When I was a teenager I often couldn’t sleep and would take Benadryl. Which of course is wildly unhealthy, but my parents were terrible so they’d give me that. I had the absolute worst hallucinations of angels surrounding me and telling me to forget who I was. It was horrifying and honestly a bit traumatizing. Learning that this was likely delirium makes total sense. Thank you for this explanation!
fifibabyyy | 2 months ago
I tried Sinicuichi (H Salicfolia) when I was a kid. To this day it remains one of the strangest experiences I have ever had. The main effect was an extremely vivid, 10 minute long auditory hallucination shared amongst our group.
We were under a tin roof and as we passed the joint of Sinicuichi around, we came to believe a super intense thunderstorm had just started. 10 minutes later, the rain stopped so we opened the door and peered out. There was not a cloud in the sky nor a drop on the ground.
deltron | 2 months ago
I had a friend in high school who ended up in the psych ward due to his hallucinations from jimsonweed. It's pretty scary stuff.
Firefoxx336 | 2 months ago
Did he recover?
deltron | 2 months ago
Yeah, he was in the ward for a couple weeks
Iambic_420 | 2 months ago
So did I. They ended up making a tea out of an entire datura plant and split it between around 8 people. None of them were my friends, but it was funny to hear about.
driving26inorovalley | 2 months ago
Two friends of mine did the same in rural Arizona and had a night of the worst bad trips I’ve ever heard firsthand. The checker floor was full of infinite voids, one of them thought a monster was eating him and came to eventually with his long hair tangled in a stand fan, they kept trying to go for a smoke break and they’d roll a cigarette and it would disappear. Both expressed immediate and long-lasting regret, “I think it damaged something in my brain” sort of experiences, and tried to talk anyone else out of any curiosity after that.
Scary-Hunting-Goat | 2 months ago
Remember reading a medical report a out some guy taking some sort of nightshade tea, then cutting off his tongue/dick (maybe both).
Apparently he couldnt understand why his mum was so distressed
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
Jimson weed aka Datura fascinates the hell out of me, the trip reports are so similar and unlike psychedelics where you recognise that what you’re seeing isn’t actually there despite how convincing it looks, the deliriant aspect of datura makes people lose their grounding to where they believe their trip is 100% real. People report things spending days with old friends who were never there, and so many people say they are always looking for a lost cigarette dispute not smoking. I know it’s used in microdoses in ointments to treat pain and also in Ayahuasca brews as it’s great for preventing nausea.
The problem with it is that trip reports by experienced, open minded and insightful people who are capable of critical analysis just isn’t there, it’s mostly younger people who take it on impulse and don’t take precautions with things like dose and ending up in hospital with psychosis is really common.
I’ve read literally ONE well thought out report on it which can be found here:
HERE on reddit for anyone interested.
MSGdreamer | 2 months ago
I’ve heard first hand stories from a number of people who experimented with Brugmansia or what’s colloquially referred to as “La Reina de la Noche” or “Queen of the Night” in Costa Rica.
Apparently the stamens on the flowers produce a clear, oily nectar overnight and it’s most potent just before dawn when the flowers begin to close up again. If you imbibe the nectar of multiple blooms or eat the flowers you’ll embark on a terrifying multi-day trip.
I’ve never heard of a positive experience where the brave soul learned a life lesson or anything interesting. It was generally regarded as a very long, bad trip that was difficult to recover from and scary in the worst sort of way. Locals knew that the flowers were dangerous and many folks had a story about someone who never was the same again after messing with those flowers.
I’m experienced in most types of mind altering drugs, and a curious brave sort when it comes to experimentation but the stories I heard about the trumpet flowers were enough to deter me.
The plant/tree is beautiful though and fragrant and the insects and birds seem to love it.
wildweeds | 2 months ago
i had two of those flowers for a while but they died before i could plant them (i kept them in water for two years though). i never knew they had this effect! glad i never had anything like that happen and im glad to know before i get another one (which i will someday when i can plant it).
Large-Flamingo-5128 | 2 months ago
Sounds like ambien
serend1pity | 2 months ago
I was prescribed Ambien once for sleep trouble, and it too made me hallucinate little gnomes were going inside and out of a window air conditioning unit. I also saw the walls melting, had double vision, and completely forgot certain periods of time. Really wild that this drug is so widely accepted in the medical field. It probably shouldn't be...
Large-Flamingo-5128 | 2 months ago
I talked to a coat rack for an hour thinking it was two people who needed help!! Ambien is WILD
CaughtALiteSneez | 2 months ago
My husband was prescribed it when it was first available & we were laying in bed having a perfectly normal conversation and then he started to hallucinate.
I’m glad I quickly realized it was the medication and that the love of my life wasn’t suddenly schizophrenic. I told my doctor about it the next day and she said “Oh yeah, totally normal - whatever you do, don’t mix it with alcohol.”
I think that is why you see so many airport/airplane freak outs like that woman who said “that motherfucker isn’t real”.
cyanescens_burn | 2 months ago
It’s worse than ambien tripping, and potentially fatal.
SuspiciousNebulas | 2 months ago
Should check out The teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Castaneda
mdmachine | 2 months ago
Known a few people who have had datura on different occasions. There really is no such thing as proper prep. Once your delusional it's just a matter of what you experience and how you respond and what you do. Could get lucky and just dance in invisible parties, smoke invisable cigarettes and listen to boom box plants. Go to "sleep" and snore loudly for 10 min, then get up and shower with your clothes on, then go back to sleep. Or you can think little yard lamps are aliens and knock yourself out cold while running into a glass door. Or you can end up in a coma for a few months and wake up as an entirely different person (I've seen these plus more).
Also wanted to add, apparently the worst dry mouth you've ever had or experienced in your entire life. And the best kicker that is, you'll pour yourself a glass of water, take a sip, put it down and forget it ever existed, only to repeat.
get-idle | 2 months ago
You can look up trip reports for this stuff on Erowid https://www.erowid.org Datura stramonium
They are almost uniformly bad. I would stay away!
Intelligent_Cap9706 | 2 months ago
Wow someone above said their friends had the cigarette thing
thefatchef321 | 2 months ago
The little people are there. The mushrooms just help see them.
Its like.... polarized glasses.
Lopsided-Equipment-2 | 2 months ago
hell na, thats a dissociative
go look up erowid trip reports and read up on the natives using it
you basically go to a hellscape and sell the same hellish demons and shit, blood, gore, serial killer movie shit, blood orgies
asunshinefix | 2 months ago
Deliriant, not a dissociative - dissos feel pretty friendly at reasonable doses. You’re right about it being a really horrible trip though.
Accomplished_Deer_ | 2 months ago
They both allow you to see fairies that are always there And fairies are kinda dicks sometimes
Key-Star1623 | 2 months ago
No. Bad. Seriously. It’s more like mental illness rather than a “trip”.
Large-Flamingo-5128 | 2 months ago
Maybe Andrew Gallimore has been right all along and were just tuning our brain to a different fifth dimensional frequency
TelluricThread0 | 2 months ago
It's still very interesting that you see little people on this mushroom since you can also see elves on the right dose of psilocybin or more classically on DMT. There's just some common element buried deep within our psychology that manifests these same sorts of things.
JoJackthewonderskunk | 2 months ago
Makes me wonder if all through history all the elf and fairy stories came from variously stoned people
pegothejerk | 2 months ago
Don’t forget the little people of the forest in many, many Native American tribal lores.
JoJackthewonderskunk | 2 months ago
You know those guys were getting lifted FOR SURE
SODY27 | 2 months ago
Yes, first thing I thought of.
oojacoboo | 2 months ago
Well, we’re monkeys, and there are lots of other small monkeys. So yea, they exist.
Ichipurka | 2 months ago
Also, see the bible
kalidoscopiclyso | 2 months ago
The Irish!
FrankRizzo319 | 2 months ago
The origin of Santa Claus ties back (in part) to people eating shrooms growing in reindeer poop in northern Scandinavia.
DivineMomentsofTruth | 2 months ago
Actually the red and white amanita mushrooms are eaten by reindeer, the reindeer gets high, then people would drink the tripping reindeer’s pee to get high themselves. It would be a safer way to consume the psychoactives, as raw amanita mushrooms can kill you, but the reindeer pee acts as a filter.
KatNeedsABiggerBoat | 2 months ago
The Sami people.
Altostratus | 2 months ago
In Iceland, where they legit believe in elves in the mossy rocks, psilocybin mushrooms grow wild on the side of the road.
The_Lapsed_Pacifist | 2 months ago
Psilocybin mushrooms grow wild all over the place. Where I grew up in Britain you basically had an unlimited supply if you knew what to look for. My school playing fields were covered in Liberty Caps.
Ben_steel | 2 months ago
That’s even weirder though everyone’s subconscious imagining the same things.
ThePaddleman | 2 months ago
One of the suggested articles at the bottom of the OP's article says that psilocybin's active properties evolved around 65 million years ago at the time of the Chixulub meteor & end of the dinosaurs. So, maybe... the psychoactive part came from space!
https://nhmu.utah.edu/articles/psychoactive-psilocybins-evolution-magic-mushrooms
JoJackthewonderskunk | 2 months ago
The liklihood of the guy writing that conclusion not also being on mushrooms is not 0%
Butlerian_Jihadi | 2 months ago
Ambien actually does that for me, had to quit leaving an album going as I was dozing off. Fun watching a gnome city to Sigur Rós though...
SocraticIgnoramus | 2 months ago
I’ve reviewed a ton of medical charts and your experience (more or less) is relatively common. I wasn’t familiar with Sigur Rós until just now but it definitely sounds a bit shroomy, which is definitely how many aspects of ambien seem to be described by a significant subset of patients.
Butlerian_Jihadi | 2 months ago
I didn't stay awake on it often, and it worked really well for about two years. Problem was, I didn't fix my insomnia. That second year it started getting unreliable - occasionally wondering who folded all my laundry for me, and why they did so poorly. Then I was staying the weekend at my mom's, according to my little brother I walked downstairs about 2am, dumped the syrup from a can of peaches into about a pint of vodka, downed it, and went back to bed. I didn't die, but I did wonder why I felt so bad, and who vomited on the bathroom ceiling. Last time I took Ambien.
samurguybri | 2 months ago
Very appropriate.
Ghede | 2 months ago
Probably the same circuits used for recognizing other people (Possibly specific circuits for recognizing distant people?) being stimulated to the point where ANYTHING is recognized as people.
tommytwolegs | 2 months ago
How much mushrooms are people eating to hallucinate little people jesus
TelluricThread0 | 2 months ago
At least, if not more than a standard heroic dose defined by Terrence McKenna as 5 dried grams usually done in silent darkness. It's more typical and well known with DMT but possible with other psychedelics.
tommytwolegs | 2 months ago
Standard heroic dose. Is that really what he called it? 😂
Alright that is a lot. I'm not sure I ever hit that threshold back in my day
TelluricThread0 | 2 months ago
If you want insight, you have to go through the hero's journey.
It's also roughly the dose they use in psychedelic research trials because it reliably gives people a mystical experience.
Ziggysan | 2 months ago
Anthropmorphisation is the term you're looking for.
Edit: typo
profoma | 2 months ago
That’s not a term anyone’s looking for. Anthropomorphization is assigning human traits to non-human things, though. Is the what you mean?
RonaldoFinkMullen_ | 2 months ago
I would bet its culturally dependent and suggestive. Just like how people who experience sleep paralysis, their monster at the end of the bed is different based on their culture.
TelluricThread0 | 2 months ago
Researchers have given psychedelics to people across a wide array of different cultures, and reports of little elf like entities are shockingly consistent.
waltersmama | 2 months ago
Dang.
You wrote “…fairly recent discovery…”
I read “recent fairy discovery”
HazelMStone | 2 months ago
Same. Also, I want some.
conflagrationship | 2 months ago
Same
KingOfEthanopia | 2 months ago
Im thinking little pink Christina Aguilera monsters.
Secret-One2890 | 2 months ago
Just need Lil Kim and Mya monsters, then they can sing Lady Marmalade!
SillyAlternative420 | 2 months ago
Holy shit
> tiny Smurf like people interacting with them
This is like real life Common Side Effects, the incredible animated series on HBO by Mike Judge
MeatballStroganoff | 2 months ago
I was hoping I’d find someone mentioning this show. It’s so good!
Hello_Hangnail | 2 months ago
I wonder if they're neighbors to the machine elves that show up during dmt trips
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
Psilocybin and DMT are almost identical molecularly with the exception of psilocybin having an additional isomer chain which makes it orally bioavailable and what’s crazy is the human serotonin molecule also looks identical. And Dmt is produced naturally in the human body and I think this is why elements from both experiences overlap. My opinion is it’s 3rd eye activation removing filters.
This new species however is very different, it can’t even be classified as a psychedelic and people don’t report as profound experiences, just seeing a species of tiny people. No one’s said their frightening or insightful just that that’s all the trip really is. Like one guy in the article took them didn’t think they were working because he didn’t feel anything but when he lifts his picnic blanket he sees a whole tribe of little people just chilling
Potential-Reach-439 | 2 months ago
What's crazy is that despite this the trips are absolutely nothing alike, this mushroom sounds wild.
kickin-chicken | 2 months ago
Hope Stamamts is getting spot prints and will begin his own research.
TheColdestFeet | 2 months ago
You don't need hope for that. Hoping Stamets will study a mushroom is like hoping a fungus will eat something dead. I would be surprised if Stamets isn't tripping on them right now.
Beneficial_Prize_310 | 2 months ago
There's actually a form of dementia like this.
patients with Lewy Body Dementia (LBD) may experience visual hallucinations involving figures from folklore, such as fairies or leprechauns. Hallucinations are a common symptom of LBD, often involving detailed visions of people, children, or animals.
Understanding the Phenomenon The search results include a letter to the editor in a psychiatry journal titled "Leprechauns and Lewy body disease," which details case studies of patients, particularly from Western Ireland, who reported visual hallucinations of leprechauns.
This phenomenon is a cultural manifestation of the visual hallucinations that are a core feature of LBD. The content of these hallucinations often relates to a person's cultural background, personal history, and environment. Nature of Hallucinations: The hallucinations in LBD are typically visual, detailed, and recurrent, often appearing as people or animals that are not present.
These might affect the same portions of the brain.
ScalyDestiny | 2 months ago
Yeah. My granddad had that and I remember him being upset because a leprechaun stole his purse. It cracked me up at the time since he was the definition of toxic masculinity, but he was SO pissed about losing that imaginary purse.
NoCoolNameMatt | 2 months ago
I'm out. I've read this H.P. Lovecraft story, and it doesn't end well.
ThatCharmsChick | 2 months ago
If they don't call these entities Papua Smurfs, they are missing out on a hilarious opportunity.
attunedmuse | 2 months ago
My mom told me stories of her older brothers coming home and seeing little green creatures crawling out from under the kitchen appliances. I always wondered what they took lol
MaleficentRub8987 | 2 months ago
They really only want to pin stuff like a specific molecule down so they can regulate and exploit it. I applaud this mushroom for keeping it's secrets.
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
Exactly, there’s no therapeutic benefit to seeing a small kingdom of tiny people living their lives, but what if you can develop a relationship with them and a species you can have a symbiotic relationship with since mushrooms love offering those kinds of arrangements throughout nature.
I doubt it but it’s a pretty funny idea 😂
Sorry_Editor_1492 | 2 months ago
Top priority
KiKiPAWG | 2 months ago
Oh my gosh. Exciting times in some ways
cyanescens_burn | 2 months ago
There are close to 200 species of mushrooms that contain psilocybin, across several different genus.
This mushroom from OP is not just a different species than the common psilocybin-containing mushroom most people in the west think of (Psilocybe cubensis), but an entirely different genus from those known to contain psilocybin, and as you note, it appears to be a novel psychoactive compound.
Very interesting.
CosetteDestiny | 2 months ago
Sounds like Benadryl and the hat man
[Deleted] | 2 months ago
I just watched this show! Common Side Effects.
Timeon | 2 months ago
New reason to live unlocked.
Slumunistmanifisto | 2 months ago
You have immaculate tastes.
TonightsWhiteKnight | 2 months ago
Paul is a snake oil salesman... he has dubious credentials and even worse takes.. I wouldnt use him as a source other than very surface level understandings.
AncientElm | 2 months ago
I think you are wrong. He wrote the Bible for hobbyist mycologists. The guy has devoted his life to understanding macrofungi and helped so many curious folks along the way.
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
Yeah what I’ve realised is that just because someone gets involved in a scandal it doesn’t mean that everything they’ve ever said should be discredited. I think people look for gurus (for lack of better words) they can follow and life just doesn’t work like that you need to independently take information from multiple people/sources etc
Him pushing the benefits of certain mushrooms over others as a way of promotion isn’t ideal marketing and doesn’t change the sheer depth of knowledge he possesses in his field about. The history of so many variety of fungi at a micro level so I can’t agree with the commenter above you who said using him as a source other than for surface level understandings when he provides a depth of understanding not many do, plus none of his information has been blatantly false. I mean he quotes peer reviewed studies that he was involved in conducting FFS!
thegoldengoober | 2 months ago
This is VERY intriguing
Mixture-Emotional | 2 months ago
Wow 🤯 this is very interesting. This is also the first time I can recall using the head exploding emoji in a positive way.
ScoobyD00BIEdoo | 2 months ago
I took a ton of dramamine once and saw little surf like creatures running around terrorizing things. Like pulling parts off the bottom of cars and shit. Wild.
ScoobyD00BIEdoo | 2 months ago
It's like that show side effects.
talud-tablero | 2 months ago
Same here - I thought this was the same as the psilocybin mushroom, but this turned out to be a very interesting article!
Dorfalicious | 2 months ago
Don’t people who have done peyote report seeing green men?
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
Sure but all these entity’s are submerged within the psychedelic trip, this isn’t a psychedelic you don’t really trip you just vividly see these little people.
SelarDorr | 2 months ago
"everyone who eats [L. asiatica] reports seeing tiny Smurf like people interacting with them"
not even remotely close to what was said in the article nor remotely close to being true.
9Lives_ | 2 months ago
Wow my reading comprehension must be really bad, I’ve directly copy and pasted every reference to what people experienced seeing these Directly from the article:
Number 1
>One elder tribesman in Papua New Guinea describes this effect, explaining how “he saw tiny people with mushrooms around their faces.
Number 2
>after consuming a popular wild mushroom known locally as “Jian shou qing,” locals frequently report having unbelievably bizarre experiences, most notable characterized by seeing “xiao ren ren,” or little people.
Number 3
>A professor in Yunnan recounted how one evening during dinner (Jian shou qing is openly sold in markets and restaurants), he began seeing swirling shapes and colors after eating stir-fried mushrooms. Since the psychoactive effects are familiar to most locals, he began looking for xiao ren ren but was disappointed to find none — until he lifted the tablecloth and peeked underneath, seeing “hundreds of xiao ren ren, marching like soldiers.”
Number 5
>Although Lanmaoa asiatica is a recent scientific discovery, the knowledge and use of this psychoactive mushroom may have much deeper ancient roots in Chinese culture. A prominent Daoist text from the 3rd century CE refers to a “flesh spirit mushroom,” which, according to the text, if consumed raw, allows one to “see a little person” and “attain transcendence immediately.”
Then in the concluding part of the article the author writes
>Surprisingly, I became aware of yet another independent report of the exact same phenomenon — a mushroom that caused lilliputian hallucinations, but this time from an entirely different region of the world. Indigenous communities in the Philippines' remote Northern Cordillera were collecting and consuming a wild mushroom which, according to local knowledge, occasionally evokes visions of little people, which they call the “ansisit.” The mushroom is known locally as "Sedesdem." Just as the “Nonda” in Papua New Guinea and “Jian shou qing”
Was it that I referred to them as smurfs? Should I have said xiao ren ren?
SelarDorr | 2 months ago
the problem is that youve stated EVERYONE who eats the mushrooms get these hallucinations.
absolutely not true. They are eaten, and have been for a very long time, regularly and without psychoactive effect when cooked properly.
PrideConnect3213 | 2 months ago
Am I the only one thinking they should try giving the mushroom to an actual little person to see what they would see?
edit: tough crowd…
MagicalVagina | 2 months ago
> Early accounts from Papua New Guinea described people eating a wild mushroom and suddenly seeing tiny, lifelike figures moving around them, a rare “lilliputian” hallucination.
This is exactly what happens in Common Side Effects.
samurguybri | 2 months ago
A weird question, but the fictional character who is the Chief of Engineering in Star Trek: Discovery is named Stamemts as well. He develops and operates a mycelium network warp drive thingy. An homage?
DuckDuckMarx | 2 months ago
Sounds like the classic machine elves to me.
1nd3x | 2 months ago
>And still, no known psychedelic compounds have been found. Researchers are now sequencing and analyzing this mushroom to understand what’s behind these consistent effects. A new molecule? A biological mechanism we haven’t seen before?
Cuz there is no psychedelic effect. It lets you see the hidden world
Idontknowthosewords | 2 months ago
I fucking adore Hamilton!
PermaDerpFace | 2 months ago
No known psychedelic involved. Tiny people confirmed.
Jindabyne1 | 2 months ago
Is it blue and does it cure all diseases? Does it have common side effects?
xenogamesmax | 2 months ago
Stamets is a hack
supreme_hammy | 2 months ago
>everyone who eats it reports seeing tiny Smurf like people interacting with them
I vote we give it the common name "Gargamel's Mushroom".
eyesoftheworld72 | 2 months ago
Sounds like Spren
Regular_Custard_4483 | 2 months ago
I just recently grew a newer type of mushroom from the Virgin Islands, and it's stupid fuckin' strong. Like, 5x stronger than a normal mushroom. If these get crossed, shit is gonna be wild, lol.
xOrion12x | 2 months ago
This has me wondering what kind of crazy shit some mushrooms can do. Better just catch em all now.
shitsouttitsout | 2 months ago
Sounds like a trip Terrence McKenna has described
Intrepid_Ad_4309 | 2 months ago
Smurf like people…anyone ever watch Common Side Effects?
Cold-Adhesiveness-42 | 2 months ago
We finally found Jonathan Swift's source of inspiration.
roxzorfox | 2 months ago
Without doing enough scientific research on psychedelics so please take.my opinion as to that of Alex Reed or Joe roman. I always found tripping to be similar to being able to comprehend a different dimension.
This is like there are actually other living life forms that we can't normally interact with but with certain substances we can see these other phases or dimensions.
Like I said that is from an uneducated (in the field) mind and almost definitely not the actual case, but the consistent interactions are puzzling.
D0ML0L1Y401TR4PFURRY | 2 months ago
Crazy
GreenStrong | 2 months ago
Psilocybin doesn't cause fairy tale like hallucinations. People don't see tiny figures, except in the context of extreme mental states where everything looks personified. The effects of psilocybin defy language and some fairytale metaphors are inevitable, but that isn't the most accurate description.
I'm not sure what language most modern paupuan people speak, they have more languages on their island than all of Europe. IDK if there is a lingua franca. I don't know how well we understand the language or conceptual system behind it. I'm quite sure that there is good translation possible between English with the Chinese dialect, but not that it is easy. Chinese dialects are as mutually intelligible as French and Italian, although they share writing systems and people educated in modern schools generally speak Mandarin fairly well. Not everyone in China speaks Mandarin, and the accuracy of the account really depends on how accurate the translation is .
TheFlyingBoxcar | 2 months ago
Yes hello, I'd like to sign up to be an expert.
HazelMStone | 2 months ago
I’d like to sign up for clinical trials
PM_Me_Macaroni_plz | 2 months ago
My mind and body are both ready and willing to
capsaicinintheeyes | 2 months ago
Taken protein pills; put helmet on. Commencing countdown: engines on
Fab1e | 2 months ago
#AccidentalBowie
AmazingChicken | 2 months ago
Is that a thing? TIL something new.
knewbie_one | 2 months ago
I was more on r/BuckarooBanzai
Seems I'm just showing my age :)
Glittering-Ad3488 | 2 months ago
This is ground control to Major Capsaicinintheeyes, your circuit's dead, there's something wrong
capsaicinintheeyes | 2 months ago
Tell my wife I love her very much...the stars look very different today
SecTeff | 2 months ago
I’m doing my part!
Lady_Grey_Smith | 2 months ago
Grimm fairytales wouldn’t be as great.
drdipepperjr | 2 months ago
I tried to get into one. Lot of hoops you gotta jump through.
cityshepherd | 2 months ago
Pretty much all these studies are possible thanks to the hard work of Rick Doblin and the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). I met Rick at burning man like 15 years ago, and he was so incredibly kind and down to earth. He seemed genuinely interested and excited to hear my story about how his work and psychedelics more or less saved my life.
10/10 human being
capsaicinintheeyes | 2 months ago
It's necessary--imagine running that obstacle course for the first time gurped out of the spiral arm!
nanaacer | 2 months ago
This mushrooms about to do a speedrun on branching out into all 6 habitable Continents.
TheGreatNico | 2 months ago
I wonder what sort of interesting things we'll find as Antarctica thaws.
ObjectiveRegret5683 | 2 months ago
I think about this all this time. Glad someone else is too
ass_grass_or_ham | 2 months ago
There will be some prehistoric viruses and or bacteria that will be fun for us.
chonpwarata | 2 months ago
Pervasive species.
Final_Fantasy_VII | 2 months ago
Hello I would like to sign up to study fairies
ajmartin527 | 2 months ago
I feel like a slice of butter, melting atop a giant pile of flapjacks!
Necessary_Ad3275 | 2 months ago
I volunteer as tribute!
Digitaluser32 | 2 months ago
Right?
...experts!
That-Guava-9404 | 2 months ago
I am pretty much an expert. Let me at them mushrooms
thedrinkalchemist | 2 months ago
I’m something of an Enthusiast myself! 🤣🤣
ZubenelJanubi | 2 months ago
Babe, wake up, new psychedelic just dropped
Gaothaire | 2 months ago
Gotta get a spore print before the draconian government criminalizes it
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 months ago
I have been looking all morning to no avail. (also an "amateur" mycologist)
Ambitious_Zombie8473 | 2 months ago
Amateur mycologist as well.
I’m curious if you could grow out the mycelium on agar or if the myc needs to grow in symbiosis with certain trees.
Also, would the mycelium itself contain the active compound?
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 months ago
Myc hardly ever contains actives. Generally, those are saved for the fruit (for evolutionary reasons). I would guess that these would grow well on compost made from pine needles or pine chips. The "Symbiotic" relationships that often exist in nature are not always required for isolate-based growth.
I would start with agar and streak until I got a good isolate, then try growing that isolate out on different media (wood, compost, grain, etc)
dreamyangel | 2 months ago
It might not be psychedelic. It could be like Amanita muscaria, or an antihistamine, or even a new class. I hope it's an entirely new class 🙏
Knotted_Hole69 | 2 months ago
New class new dangers, lets hope this one and the body like eachother
anonymous122719 | 2 months ago
There’s new ones all the time! r/researchchemicals
MaleficentRub8987 | 2 months ago
Had fun with these in the early 2010s. We had all the 2c types. 2ce 2cb 2cd.. and so on.
FuckinBopsIsMyJob | 2 months ago
Tried one called 6-APB over 10 years ago. Us youngsters called it "peanut butter".
It was similar to NZT-48 from Limitless, I became strangely lucid, more clear of mind than I'd ever felt and kept asking people their phone numbers so I could memorize them.
To this day, my numerical recall is impeccable. I'm pretty deep into the decimals of pi.
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 months ago
the NBOME family was quite nice, specifically 2ci-nbome
ZubenelJanubi | 2 months ago
Idk, call me old fashioned, but I think I’ll stick to tryptamines.
anonymous122719 | 2 months ago
Suit yourself. I find more value in phenethylamines and lysergamides, but I have yet to try any RC tryptamines.
Korben_Joseph | 2 months ago
Bruh, missing out. You got a fuck on a Phenethylamine, MDMA, 2CB, both. They also synergize really well with Tryptamines. If you've done LSD, LSA or any other Lysergamine you've had the subjective effects already
jonnyzat | 2 months ago
So, real life 'Common Side Effects?'
lilmalchek | 2 months ago
I just discovered and binged that show this weekend and immediately thought “how timely… and what a strange coincidence.” 🤔
Boomshank | 2 months ago
That's what the mushroom people want you to think.
Beep boop
NebulaNinja | 2 months ago
Big Pharma's been real quiet since this dropped...
Boomshank | 2 months ago
Because they're spending all their resources on chasing the people with the blue mushrooms!
kickin-chicken | 2 months ago
lol my exact thought, I loved that show.
CressKitchen969 | 2 months ago
Very excited for season 2 whenever it comes out
lilmalchek | 2 months ago
OMG thank you for informing me! Honestly I assumed it was old and over.
CressKitchen969 | 2 months ago
Supposedly fall 2026
Jindabyne1 | 2 months ago
I kept thinking about machine elves in that show also
gyratingorb | 2 months ago
Bruh come on now
t0reup | 2 months ago
Sounds pretty fun. Where do I get spores 😀
eye_of_the_sloth | 2 months ago
from what i can gather youd have to go to china
Nature_Sad_27 | 2 months ago
Or the Philippines!
ProbablyBanksy | 2 months ago
Or the University of Utah!
Nature_Sad_27 | 2 months ago
I was actually really disappointed that the researcher who wrote the article didn’t tell us whether he’s tried them or not, and if he hasn’t, boo.
ph33rlus | 2 months ago
Online? They’re not illegal yet?
Ambitious_Zombie8473 | 2 months ago
Can’t be illegal if we don’t know how it works
stromyoloing | 2 months ago
Smurfs are real, just hidden from us
Dirtgrain | 2 months ago
But they also might be evil, like Chucky or the creatures in From Beyond (or the primeval ID brought forth in Altered States or . . .).
kaoscurrent | 2 months ago
Some good, some bad, probably. Just like humans. No species is a monolith.
FuckinBopsIsMyJob | 2 months ago
I'm 100% convinced there are spirits at all different levels of personal development with varying morals.
I've met some chill ass lil elf dudes on DMT trips that were so harmonious I got the sense they were keeping the universe in working order, and also met some holy-shit-not-good bad vibe dudes I had to literally pray to be saved from.
I quit DMT after that, some depths aren't meant to be plunged.
Many_Specialist_5384 | 2 months ago
Oh no what if like the tiny demons from 80's film The Gate oh no
Navy_Chief | 2 months ago
When will these be available at whole foods?
RedRabbit720 | 2 months ago
I’ll need around 28 grams for science, I’m doing my own research
Kwaleseaunche | 2 months ago
Quick! There's still time to try these before they make them illegal!
trainsacrossthesea | 2 months ago
I always want to hear from the experts, before diving in the deep end.
What did Aaron Rogers say about it?
g00berc0des | 2 months ago
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Crim3mast3rZ | 2 months ago
How can I explore this mushroom? 😂
Knotted_Hole69 | 2 months ago
Its not illegal cause its new. Go go go go!
spasmgazm | 2 months ago
Are we talking "Disney" style fairy tales or like... German fairy tales?
[Deleted] | 2 months ago
Right 🤣🤣🤣
FlyingRhenquest | 2 months ago
Which would you prefer, the Disney ones are pretty bad. And yes, I've read both.
fernandofky | 2 months ago
This sounds like the trip of a lifetime. Sign me up as test subject.
Bad_Commit_46_pres | 2 months ago
top priority -> cultivate these -> GOGOGO
Kaurifish | 2 months ago
Wow, a psychoactive substance that Erowid doesn’t have a vault for. 🤯
Mander2019 | 2 months ago
Renaissance festival is about to be crazy
tanrock2003 | 2 months ago
Please tell me after I take 7gs I will live happily ever after.
postconsumerwat | 2 months ago
Yeah i dunno, I guess i am too old... don't need any more little things moving around
tummybox | 2 months ago
I wanna talk to Smurf people though
adzee_cycle | 2 months ago
La la la-la-la-lahhh
crucifero | 2 months ago
We try not to unplug people after a certain age, their minds have a hard time adjusting to the new reality.
Foppington_huxley | 2 months ago
We call it….. Bliss
danielfuenffinger | 2 months ago
Way better than happy
SmokinDenverJ | 2 months ago
I hope and suspect this is partially a reference to the song by Arab Strap. On the off chance it is not, I encourage you to check it out.
No_Sympathy5795 | 2 months ago
It’s me. I’m experts
Hay_Fever_at_3_AM | 2 months ago
> genomic analysis reveals that the closest relative of L. asiatica is a species commonly found (though rarely eaten) here in North America
Indigenous Peoples here have a lot of stories of little people, too. I wonder if they didn't eat the mushrooms from time to time, maybe not even intentionally.
Tourist_in_Singapore | 2 months ago
Ah yes, Lanmaoa asiatica in Yunnan, the 看小人跳舞 stuff
Way less studied than psilocybin mushrooms but somehow completely legal
Epic_Deuce | 2 months ago
Psychonauts assemble!
The_Monsta_Wansta | 2 months ago
Very interested in this
Hello_Hangnail | 2 months ago
Looks longingly at the schedule list 🥺
Few-Emergency5971 | 2 months ago
Hell yeah, new drugs just dropped. I new something good had to come out of this shity year
mimiflower80 | 2 months ago
Crazy shit. I live near the testing center. I volunteer as tribute.
StopLookListenNow | 2 months ago
What happens if you mix both types of magic mushrooms?
jzoola | 2 months ago
Visions of dancing Smurfs farting mandalas & rainbows
psychedelicsci | 2 months ago
So... The trolls movie come to life? Sign me up
manystripes | 2 months ago
Mix in a little Amanita muscaria and join the smurfs in their tiny world
kngpwnage | 2 months ago
https://dentingerlab.org/
Lab page.
Difficult-Low5891 | 2 months ago
The creatures are always among us, we just don’t normally see them. That’s all, nothing to worry about!
JimDankmagic | 2 months ago
Im in.
No_Arugula_9688 | 2 months ago
OMG that’s disgusting! Where?
alternatingflan | 2 months ago
“Experts Explore….”
hedokitali | 2 months ago
I volunteer as tribute!
thePsychonautDad | 2 months ago
> Chemical and genomic analyses have shown that the Lanmaoa asiatica does not contain any known psychoactive compounds such as psilocybin or muscimol. It is likely that there is a yet-unknown hallucinogenic compound waiting to be discovered in this species.
Amazing, new biological mystery!
Less-Procedure-4104 | 2 months ago
Well hallucinogenic is seeing stuff not there maybe this exposes something that is there and the best we can do is see it as little people. These are 100% shared hallucinations how likely is that?
Any-Economics8452 | 2 months ago
“Lanmaoa asiatica”, but my brain read it as Lmao asiatica.
balls_deep_space | 2 months ago
Wake up babe, new power up just dropped
TiredOldLadySays | 2 months ago
Are they taking volunteers?
thesoapmakerswife | 2 months ago
I’m pretty sure I would qualify as an expert. How do I sign up??
Puzzled_Lab_5214 | 2 months ago
Under no circumstances am I suggesting to try this but mixing Ambien with very small amounts of alcohol produced the same hallucinations. Tiny elf people marching about as if they were secretly intertwined with reality. They were marching on a tree when I saw them, like ants, could even hear their marching steps. It looked like they were making the leaves move when the wind blew. Mixing Ambien with alcohol is pretty dangerous and not nearly as much fun as mushrooms.
JackHughman69 | 2 months ago
I wonder if the mice they test it on see little people also
___buttrdish | 2 months ago
And the source link is from Utah. UTAH!
Italysfloyd | 2 months ago
Bring it on!! Can't wait
94ISS | 2 months ago
Can I be Donkey?
hadapurpura | 2 months ago
Are the smurfs nice?
HorrorGoose2465 | 2 months ago
Maybe. the article did say a dude lifted up tablecloth and bunch of them were just marching along the table. He did it again but their heads popped off and were still attached to the tablecloth they were smiling, and the bodies continued to march.
particlecore | 2 months ago
I can finally say “say hello to my little friend” and mean it
bigbangboy1 | 2 months ago
I would like to volunteer for clinical trials
UndergroundFlaws | 2 months ago
I haven’t ever wanted to take anything stronger than weed. That being said, sign me the fuck up.
mrpaslow0000 | 2 months ago
Why were all the mushroom pictures boletes?
dkangx | 2 months ago
I believe it is also known as a Yunnan black boletes.
messiestobjects | 2 months ago
When I was only a few years old I got very sick with high fever and reportedly asked my parents why little green men were walking around on the ceiling. Maybe I'm the mushroom, moo moo kachew
Saucy_Baconator | 2 months ago
Like, Cinderella Fairy Tales or Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales?
OkImagination1123 | 2 months ago
Experts
Eastern-Criticism653 | 2 months ago
I spent about ten years reading everything I could find about psychedelics. If you are into psychedelics how have we not heard about this before?
ToeBeansCounter | 2 months ago
Cruds, it can't be cultivated...
Consistent-Monk-5581 | 2 months ago
Yet
ToeBeansCounter | 2 months ago
Never will it..it requires living pine host
Consistent-Monk-5581 | 2 months ago
Good thing I didn't say indoor than innit
Conspiracy_realist76 | 2 months ago
If they don't have psilocybin then they must be legal. I am heading to the Asian grocery store tomorrow. So, I guess I will look for. "Jian shou qing" I need to look up some recipes.
Starskeet | 2 months ago
Now let's wait for those silicon valley bastards to patent the compound and sell it back to us.
Sweaty_Try4911 | 2 months ago
they look like strawberry muffins
Walpizzle | 2 months ago
“Narnia is here I come!” *hooves clopping
Brickzarina | 2 months ago
Call it the AI shoom
ph33rlus | 2 months ago
This must be what inspired the writers for “common side effects”. Great show. The little people are freaky
StrongAsMeat | 2 months ago
How can we participate in this study?
adventuresinnonsense | 2 months ago
The question is which kind of fairytale? Are we talking like the 19th century sanitized kind or the original kind? Because those are two very different experiences.
Bryaxis | 2 months ago
Fun fairy tale, or Grimm?
Winnimae | 2 months ago
Seems to be gullivers travels type
sigristl | 2 months ago
I found the secret ingredient to my cream of mushroom soup!
Suitable-Theory-8469 | 2 months ago
Ima need that
already-taken-wtf | 2 months ago
Fairytales are often quite grimm (pun intended) and don’t end well….
PlaceboJacksonMusic | 2 months ago
I recall an artist using lichen for gnomes. Add this to the bucket list
Tigerlily86_ | 2 months ago
Sounds fun
dreikelvin | 2 months ago
tiny gnomes? I knew there was an easier way without the side effects of hair loss and a shitty marriage
Holy_Forking_Shirt | 2 months ago
Hell yeah.
BrushSuccessful5032 | 2 months ago
Gimme.
FormerLifeFreak | 2 months ago
I’m knee deep writing a fantasy novel, let’s goooooo
Holding4th | 2 months ago
Someone get Paul Stamets on this.
SelarDorr | 2 months ago
itneresting choice of article title for someone writing an article about themselves.
uunicornblood1 | 2 months ago
Experts they say.
the_summer_soldier | 2 months ago
Are scientists are taking drugs again like in the days of yore? Maybe this time round we'll figure out flying cars.
fookinpikey | 2 months ago
I could use a break from this real life bullshit
BenjaminHamnett | 2 months ago
I think I did these in China near Yunnan. You go to this town where people are a little zombie like, a little more than normal small towns. They sell mushroom soup with a time telling you to “wait until 20 minutes.” But the key is to only wait 10+ minutes. Then you become a zombie too. Maybe over cooked or didn’t do enough or was with the wrong people so not much else to report
Spadrick | 2 months ago
Junji Ito has entered the chat...
MentionLow1248 | 2 months ago
Mike judge seems to have his finger on the pusles of things
Arthur_Burt_Morgan | 2 months ago
I need this for science
HeartMelodic8572 | 2 months ago
Yes.
thePsychonautDad | 2 months ago
Somebody called?
ass_grass_or_ham | 2 months ago
Yes please.
Gammagammahey | 2 months ago
I wonder if people in this region had beliefs about the existence of little people prior to consuming the soup. Or if not.
This is so cool. Thank you for sharing this! Lilliputian hallucinations is my favorite new thing I've learned today.
lchntndr | 2 months ago
“Won’t someone think of the children!?” Illegal in 3…..2……
reallyrn | 2 months ago
Never have I seen a stereotyical psychedelic experience consistently across broad demographics. Not when asking my patient what they took last night, not when officiating psychedelics myself, even when the substance is legit and tested consistently by my own kit. Heck, I've never taken the same psychedelic twice and gotten the same result. My budtender sells me side effects that are suggestions. All this to say: I suggest psychedelic research should be done by people that have at least tried the substance that they're trying to describe as psychedelic. Also, there is wisdom in the traditional method of paying the shaman to do the ceremony on your behalf, especially if there is cause to seek this type of counseling.
Moist_Ad_9212 | 2 months ago
Someone should have told Erin Patterson about this
Thisbes_Lament | 2 months ago
When I was a kid they said when we slept our Smurf figurines come to life and nibble on your toes… yeah no thanks!
Get4high2get0by | 2 months ago
This sounds like a fun trip.
toblotron | 2 months ago
Wild stuff! 😲
And if I understood the article correctly, they can't even find any special substances in it that would seem the likely cause for the reaction.. 🙂
Don't mess with mushrooms, people, they're hardcore, and they don't respect our attempts at science
Updowninversion | 2 months ago
Maybe it’s not psychoactive and is instead removing a blockage so that we can see another layer of reality.
Luminya1 | 2 months ago
I think these mushrooms get too much hype. I have tried a lot, in hopes of insight, or anything and I got nothing. Just so disappointing.
Distasteful_T | 2 months ago
These aren't magic mushrooms they are entirely different.
ammonthenephite | 2 months ago
Some people just don't respond to them due to individual biological variations. Others are on certain types of meds, especially depression meds, that also almost completely kill the effects they have. Some people are just unlucky.
They were absolutely life changing for me.
Frosty-Comfort6699 | 2 months ago
taking psychedelic mushrooms makes you an expert now? hell yea, hold my beer!
eajklndfwreuojnigfr | 2 months ago
not quite, but if you practise kundalini and force yourself to suffocate until you are involuntarily posturing or whatever its called until you have a mental break (some guy said it was called breathplay or something)
only then, and after abusing normal magic fungus and horse anaesthetic can you call yourself an expert. i met one and i would 100% say he was an expert in the studies
Opposite-Winner3970 | 2 months ago
Smurfette Diddy Parties in Epstein Island when?
Toad-a-sow | 2 months ago
Wtf?
Opposite-Winner3970 | 2 months ago
It was a joke people XD!
Human beings often take drugs at parties.
TheFlyingBoxcar | 2 months ago
Yeah but your joke involves sex trafficking and the rape of children. So ... maybe not the best joke?
Opposite-Winner3970 | 2 months ago
Smurfs are not children. They are an entirely different species, fictional, and hallucinogenic due to the use of newly discovered asian mushrooms that make you hallucinate smurfs.
Geezus. Fuggedaboutit.
THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST THE SMURFS BATMAN!