"I know what time is, Time is a thief
It'll steal into bed and rob
You while you sleep and You'll never feel it
It pulls off the covers
And rifles through your head
Then you'll wait to find you can't
Remember what you just said
It happens to everyone
Just like the father of my father
Time stole his mind
And I can't forget that one-fourth
Of his blood is mine i try not to worry"
Same here but I'm 33. I also drank loads of sugary soda and then switched to zero sugar a while back which I recently found out is supposedly horrifically bad for your liver if you have even one 12 ounce can a day (50-60% increased liver diseases risk).
I'll report back when my cocktail of disease and cancers hits me like a truck
Idk but it has ze nitrites and its a cured meat so. I think it fits although it may not technically belong.
Thereās nitrite free bacon sometimes though. Not sold on it being healthier yet. Will let you know in 35 years or so if Iām still able to communicate.
Yeah, from what I gather isolating nitrates and adding them to another product is where the problems come from. Nitrate-rich veggies like celery and beets aren't linked to increased cancer and may have potential health benefits due to how the other plant compounds keep nitrates from converting to harmful nitrosamines. Instead, they mainly turn to potentially beneficial nitric oxide. Beets for example are associated with cardiovascular benefits like better blood oxygen usage thought to be from the nitric oxide.
Nitrates extracted and added to other foods tend to turn to dangerous nitrosamines which are carcinogenic. Vitamin C in veggies is thought to be part of what prevents the dangerous nitrosamines from forming so Vitamin C is required by USA law to be added to deli meats with added nitrates, but this doesn't work well and may even backfire. The presence of fats in deli meats may make the added vitamin C convert even more nitrates to nitrosamines. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/vitamin-c-enriched-bacon/
I'm no researcher or dietician, but my impression is it's kinda like sugar. Natural sugar in fruits isn't an issue for most people and fruits are overall healthy, but extracting this sugar and adding it to other foods is associated with all sorts of health problems. Just adding some fiber to your cheesecake probably isn't going to help much.
From what I understand what matters is that they're added to specifically meat. To form a nitrosamine you need a nitrite + amino acids and then you need to force them to react with either heat (cooking) or acid (as in your stomach). Nitrates in vegetables eaten by themselves do not form nitrosamines because 1) you're missing the amino acids and 2) the Vitamin C and related compounds naturally found in vegetables inhibit the conversion. I know Most processed meats have vitamin C added to them specifically for this.
I remember reading about a study talking about when 10% lipid (fat) was introduced, vitamin C increased the formation of several nitrosamines. I wonder if leaner meat with less fat content would make a difference. link below: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17785370/
Pork belly is raw, not cured. Pork jowl would also be raw.
Italians salt-cure jowl, they call it guanciale. Good stuff, that's what you're supposed to use for carbonara. It shouldn't have nitrates, but you have to buy the good stuff and still watch labels like a hawk.
Or you get the stereotypical little old Italian man hobby and start hanging meats in your basement. Cure your own jowls.
If itās cured, it should have nitrates. Thats the curing part.
Fun fact: ānitrate-freeā bacon doesnāt really exist. Itās labeled ānitrate-freeā because it doesnāt contain derived or isolated nitrates, but it will contain an ingredient that *contains* nitrates, like celery powder, that provides the nitrates needed for the curing process.
But Iām worried it will be 40 years earlier rather than 10. Thereās a big increase in young people dying from bowel cancer, and they think itās due to processed meat.
bacon and egg sandwich - the king of breakfast saviors at many a hungover festival morning or before a hard days graft, dont forget a hot sweet tea or coffee
I did some googling because over here in the US we had bacon that says that for a long time, but it's pretty much always a lie. They add celery powder, which is full of nitrates, often even more than would be added during normal curing to account for natural variance. This legally allows them to say they didn't add nitrates, and doesn't even get declared as an allergen. You guys seem to be doing it the right way. They can't claim no nitrates if they add an ingredient that naturally has them, and if they go with celery powder to be able to claim all natural or whatever, it has to be declared as an allergen and preservative.
And they almost always still contain the same amount of nitrates. It's a loophole claim just like "fat free" cooking oil sprays that are really 100 percent fat.
No, because those that are ānitrate freeā or donāt list it in the ingredients contain natural sources of nitrates like celery powder or juice which functions to synthetic sodium nitrate in the body.
Yeah im confused by this. "Lunch Meat" is always generalized as an UPF, but I literally buy a whole roasted turkey Breast that's is Breast, salt, and seasonings.
There are sneaky ways companies will add nitrates to otherwise simple ingredient lists, one of those is smoke (along with tricky wording like no artificial nitrates etc). But if the brand youāre using really does only have salt and seasoning thatās great!
Unfortunately, you can sneak nitrates in as "Natural Flavor" in the US. Celery powder is both full of nitrates and considered a "Natural Flavor" for meats.
āIn A Nutshell
A large UK study found that each extra 25 grams of processed meat eaten daily was linked to a 44 to 52 percent higher risk of dementia and Alzheimerās disease.
A separate modeling analysis estimated that swapping 10 percent of daily calories from ultraprocessed foods for unprocessed food could lower dementia risk by 19 percent.
Higher ultraprocessed food intake has also been tied to depression, anxiety, and signs of brain shrinkage on scans.
All of the human evidence is observational, so it cannot prove cause and effect, and most clues about how these foods might harm the brain come from animal studies.
Eating just one more ounce of processed meat every day was tied to as much as a 52 percent higher risk of developing dementia, according to a massive UK study cited in a new scientific review. Researchers drew on health data from nearly 500,000 people and found that each additional 25 grams of processed meat consumed daily, roughly the weight of two slices of deli turkey, corresponded with a 44 to 52 percent increase in the risk of all-cause dementia and Alzheimerās disease specifically.
Published in Annual Review of Nutrition, the review pulls together decades of research on ultraprocessed foods and brain aging. Processed meat is only one piece of a much bigger picture that includes sodas, packaged snacks, and other heavily manufactured products now making up more than half the calories many Americans eat in a day.
Researchers behind the review arenāt claiming a hot dog directly causes memory loss. Instead, they point to a growing, if still incomplete, body of evidence that heavily processed food may work against the brain over the course of a lifetime, through inflammation, damage to blood vessels, and disruption of the chemical signals brain cells use to communicate. Its authors describe the biology behind these links as poorly understood and call for better-designed human studies before anyone draws firm conclusionsā¦ā
I was going to say that if that was the case Spaniards would have a much higher prevalence of Dementia or Alzheimer. But:
"Processed meat is only one piece of a much bigger picture that includes sodas, packaged snacks, and other heavily manufactured products now making up more than half the calories many Americans eat in a day."
Since making all of my meals at home Iāve beenā¦ way better for it. My blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol are finally not just fine, theyāre great. I also lost 20 pounds without trying and if it werenāt for my partner also losing weight at the same time Iādāve assumed I had cancer. Itās 100% worth the extra effort.
ā¦it also helps that it saves a lot of money versus getting a shitty disappointing half-wrong Doordashād Taco Bell order.
do you include canned and frozen foods in this? i've been trying to do the same but i've found constantly racing to use vegetables and washing dishes to be a real pain in the ass that demotivates me long term. doesnt help that i got a laundry list of disorders that all make keeping up with it hard. i've found canned foods and steam-able frozen vegetables are amazing for this. for the canned stuff i make sure it's bpa-free but other than that i dont really care for salt content since im not old enough to be worrying about that quite yet (and assuming i keep good cholesterol habits, i may never have to worry about it)
if you keep away from canned and frozen stuff then how do you deal with all the prep and cleanup?
canned and frozen vegatables are fine. the problem with ultraprocessed foods are the added sugars, salts, preservatives, artificial color etc etc. so unless youre buying frozen food with all sorts of additives you should be fine. if its just vegatables and such, youre good. personally i think its great, staples in my kitchen include canned tomatoes, corn, beans and sometimes frozen spinach, corn/peas, berries etc (i have a small freezer so it depends really). potatoes and onions in the fridge even though they can do without. but having frozen/canned veggies makes it so much easier to add essential nutrients and fiber to your diet. i use fresh veggies as well, but its easier to do both. i can recommend one pot recipes and learning to make a good salad vinaigrette (its really easy).
Go frozen. Canned can have added sodium and often have no nutritional value compared to the frozen.
The time spent in shopping cooking eating cleaning vs eating out varies on what you eat out. If you are going to a sit down place like chilis then you probably spend just as much time sitting there or driving as you would prepping/cooking/cleaning. Difference being at home you can be in your underwear and have a show, music, or podcast playing. Maybe while waiting for food to finish cooking you get to work on something else you needed to do for a bit. If you are getting fast food on the way home then that may be different on time. That and what might be an hour or so cooking and cleaning one night is zero time c&c while warming up leftovers the next night or a couple nights from then.
We have also started cooking at home and cut out most of our restaurant visits specifically because of your last point. Most of our fave places have had such huge drops in quality that it just became an exercise in disappointment. And in our case, we went to local restaurants exclusively, no chains. We still have a couple of places that have remained good, and we'll go on the weekend to get a break from cooking, but it has been so nice to eat meals at home that we are happy with. As a bonus, I always have leftovers for lunch so the amount of money spent on food in general has dropped significantly.
My previous boss went from eating out twice a day to cooking at home most of the time. Also eating a lot more fish that he wasn't eating before. Was like on like 5-7 pills and is now down to like 1-2. Most of his bloodwork is in the normal ranges where as before he needed the pills to be borderline.
This makes me feel so much better. (No, I didnāt read the article). I try to limit processed meat but I love Italian subs and chopped salads! Sometimes I grow through phases where itās all I want!
I do however know that my fiber intake exceeds the average American by a lot, and I tend to at least eat real food/avoid packaged snacks and soda.
I think it depends on how it's manufactured. That famous Spanish ham takes time to make and only uses natural ingredients. On the other hand, the cheap sausages and ham one gets who knows what it may contain besides what's declared on the label.
Yea, isn't cured spanish ham usually sea salt as a preservative? Mind you that much salt is not healthy to eat every day, but most modern cured meats use nitrates as a cure which is way worse for you than regular salt
Interestingly the lead researchers thesis shows that those of the cohort who never ate deli meat had a .64% dementia risk over about 8 years. Those that ate it less than once weekly were at .49%. Once weekly .57%. 2-4 times .71%. 5+ times .90%. Those are the unadjusted rates anyway. I guess it was self reported? Never being higher than less than once or once weekly sort of points to what your post says. There are other factors. But it does seem clear that deli meat hangs out around those factors if it isn't a big one particularly when eaten very often.
Well we can say the same about people who die from lung cancer because of cigarettes at the age of 40 but then we have people who smoked all their lives and are still alive at 80
What is linked is a nonsystematic review of current data involving 'ultra processed' foods and various neurodegenerative conditions.
The statement on dementia in the review and in this thread title is based on a single 2021 publication
Here is a systematic review paper that also includes that same publication along with others and runs a meta analysis, that has roughly the same finding but only for the highest assessed UPF intake level (they are assessing general UPF intake, not just meat).
"10 observational (8 longitudinal) studies, analysing 867,316 individuals, were included. Included studies adjusted for age, socioeconomic status and co-morbidity, alongside other confounders. High (vs. low) intake of UPF was associated with increased risk of dementia (pooled relative risk 1.44 (95% confidence interval 1.09ā1.90) (pā=ā0.02)) (I^(2)ā=ā97.0%), although moderate **(**vs.low) intake of UPF was not (1.12 (0.96ā1.31) (0.13)) (85.0%)"
"High UPF intake was defined as the highest value"
"When studies adjusted for T2D (1.47 (0.97ā2.00) (0.06)) (97.9% (<ā0.01)) and TEI [total energy intake] (1.26 (0.95ā1.67) (0.09)) (93.9% (<ā0.01)), significant associations were lost."
Compared to the 2021 study, "FFQ only covered some commonly consumed foods and was not suitable to assess total energy or nutrient intakes; systematic bias from self-reported measures at recruitment and low responses to the more detailed repeated 24-h dietary assessments with less than half participants may limit generalizability"
The 2021 that generates the statement in the title has a median follow up time of 8 years. Other publications on dementia find behavioral changes preceeding clinical levels of dementia occuring up to 9 years before diagnosis, making reverse causality a significant concern at short follow up.
Additionally, in the supplemental figures of this publication, they apply more stringent restrictions on the data set. The p-value for the association between ultra processed meat consumption and dementia increasees to 0.224 (non significant) when only including participates where complete data on assessed covariates were included (n=391809).
I think with all the data currently available, it is pretty reasonable to hypothesize that high levels of consumption of highly processed red meat can be a causative factor in the development of neurodegenerative diseases.
At low levels of consumption, i.e. 2 slices of deli meat a day, i think that hypothesis is much weaker.
Yet another observational study with findings misconstrued as causal claims. Willing to bet deli meat consumption is strongly and inversely linked to socioeconomic status / income.
So, what isnt being talked about is that counties like Spain, Italy, and France have some of the highest intakes of cured meats in the world, per capita, but they also have a high intake of vegetables, fruits, olive oil, and polyphenol-rich foods (wine, etc.).
A similar Danish study noted that antioxidants and polyphenols from plants inhibit N-nitrosamine formation, essentially counteracting the harmful pathway. The Mediterranean diet pattern is broadly neuroprotective, which may cancel out the small negative effect of cured meats.
Processed food in general is bad. Cooking from scratch is usually cheaper and better. Pick a day then make a few meals for the week then freeze them. Youāll have a healthier diet and get a constructive hobby that has mental health benefits. Just donāt get drunk while doing it cause then itāll become a problem
Unfortunately as a consumer it's super difficult to figure out what counts as super processed. Technically the simplest pissible slice of bread has been though all sorts of processes, so you can't shop for stuff that hasn't been through any sort of process. There's clearly a difference between an old school whole grain loaf and a modern commercial ultra processed Wonderbread. But the manufacturing is all invisible to the consumer, so you have no intuitive notion of what all gets added and what all of it does, and which specific processing steps are actually a problem.
There actually isnāt that much difference between and old school whole grain loaf and a loaf of wonderbread if youāre buying a pre-packaged brand - look at the ingredient lists, same shit different pile.
I try to go for baked in store with the stores o trust or get real bread from bakeries on TooGoodToGo.
For meat, anything with nitrates and nitrites (including celery salt) in the ingredients. Nitrates + proteins = nitrosamines, known carcinogens. Basically, any kind of preserved meat. Especially bad if it gets cooked, especially the blackened bits.
For bread, rice, etc: setting aside additives for a bit: anything that removes or breaks down fiber. You want your carbs to be tough to digest so you get a slow steady stream of blood sugar. White bread is bad because not only are the ānutrientsā filtered out, itās been refined to just the fast-digested starches.
All brands since forever (like, since humans have cured meat around 7000BC) using any form of nitrates/nitrites. They are effective preservatives. Unfortunately, they react with amines (including the amino acids that make up the protein that makes up meat) to make nitrosamines, with react with DNA, thus causing cancer.
What might have changed in recent human history is the introduction of āartificialā, industrially-produced nitrates. But ānaturalā nitrates, like celery juice or celery salt, are still nitrates, and thus still cause cancer.
Edit: technically itās nitrites. Natural nitrates get converted to nitrites by bacteria, and artificial methods skip that step and just make nitrites. Either way, same end result.
Iāve heard from a few different people that anything labelled as natural nitrates or that contains celery seed extract can actually be worse than artificial nitrates as theyāre presence and dosages arenāt regulated since theyāre seen as ānaturalā.
You couldn't be more wrong! I also started drinking while cooking, then cleaning, then shopping, and now I'm drunk at work! Wait, are you saying that it's the DRINKING part that's a problem...? Shit.
I don't see processed as a catch-all label for "bad" because it's not. Deli meats though are like the PRIME example of a bad-for-you processed food. All the nitrites used for curing are all heavily linked with various bits of cancer.
I read somewhere that some alcohol can be a good thing as it generally means that you socialise which negates the badness of the alcohol. Obviously drinking alone frequently doesnāt apply here.
I drink, but itās important to realize when you do something thatās bad for you. Feel free to choose to drink, but donāt tell yourself itās healthy. Any amount of alcohol comes with risk.
Some foods just donāt freeze well, or need slight extra prep to make them stay fresh in the freezer.
And foods shouldnāt taste washed out or old, that sounds like they havenāt been wrapped packaged well for the freezer and are getting freezer burn and the tell tale āfridge/freezerā taste that is totally avoidable!
Cook freezer safe food. If itās fish or whatever just let it defrost then microwave or bake it. You could even bread chicken or fish then freeze it. The shelf stabilizers arenāt that great for you.
I live in Salmon country, I have microwaved salmon probably over a few hundred times and it can come out just fine, trout works fine too in most cases.
Whitefish is a different beat sure, but itās really dependant on what type of fish youāre trying to microwave.
They lose out on one meal a day with actual nutrients by eating a crappy sandwich that's likely on crappy nutritionless white bread. I'm sure that doesn't help.
I can't wait to have dementia induced flashbacks to my many many many alternate video game lives and experiences. My nursing home is gonna have to adapt quickly depending on which game I spawn into that day
Deli meat is a broad category. You can have turkey breast or roast beef that is pretty much 100% meat versus something like bologna that is god knows what and includes a bunch of nitrates and nitrites.
should look at asia for a study on processed food too, esp korea.. my fellow koreans eat ramen and packaged food so often cancer rates for stomach and the colon are alarming
I'm not actuallity Italian, I'm Dutch. I would say Germans, Danes and Dutch people eat far more processed deli meats than Italians from personal experience.
I lived in italy for 5 years in non expat region. I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Most of the people I knew ate a mortadella panini every other day.
So when the Italian import place I get food at in New England ā¦they arenāt really getting their meats imported from Italyā¦or if they are, Italians arenāt eating those meats?
From the article: Its authors describe the biology behind these links as poorly understood and call for better-designed human studies before anyone draws firm conclusionsā¦ā
Wonderful. Everyone grew up eating sandwiches in school at lunchtime (though I altered between PBJ and turkey sandwiches) and then grew up went off to work eating more sandwiches for lunch.
Love smoked salmon but here that has high levels of nitrates involved in the curing processā¦
How depressing, I'm not much of an eater to begin with and have trouble maintaining weight. A sandwich here and some processed food there is about all I'm motivated to eat. Turning food into a job is going to be really hard for me.
I like cheese from the deli and really don't eat cold cuts, but damn the little old ladies taking 10 minutes to fill up on the sliced montadella and everything else on a Saturday morning
PeterIanStaker | 6 hours ago
That's not good man, these were the majority of my school lunches growing up
SquareTaro3270 | 6 hours ago
Brother same š Grew up poor only eating cold cut sandwiches.
Gonna die at 30 at this rate
PeterIanStaker | 5 hours ago
We're not going to die. I think. Just slowly slip into insanity at some point.
darkest_irish_lass | 4 hours ago
Watching the news in the last few years I feel like I've reached that point
NewDamage31 | 4 hours ago
Maybe losing our minds will be a small mercy in the chaotic future
PeterIanStaker | 3 hours ago
Deli meat will be the opiate of the masses
TagierBawbagier | 13 minutes ago
Get your Kitsune news subscription ready for old age.
Poly_Olly_Oxen_Free | 3 hours ago
"I know what time is, Time is a thief
It'll steal into bed and rob
You while you sleep and You'll never feel it
It pulls off the covers
And rifles through your head
Then you'll wait to find you can't
Remember what you just said
It happens to everyone
Just like the father of my father
Time stole his mind
And I can't forget that one-fourth
Of his blood is mine i try not to worry"
-Larkin Poe, "Mad as a Hatter"
Suavecore_ | 2 hours ago
Same here but I'm 33. I also drank loads of sugary soda and then switched to zero sugar a while back which I recently found out is supposedly horrifically bad for your liver if you have even one 12 ounce can a day (50-60% increased liver diseases risk).
I'll report back when my cocktail of disease and cancers hits me like a truck
cvbk87 | 18 minutes ago
Link?
Suavecore_ | 8 minutes ago
I'm not sure what the source was for the post I saw, but this seems to be the study
https://ueg.eu/a/378
EarthwormLim | 4 hours ago
Youll be fine
Time_Effort | an hour ago
I'm 29, does that mean I have less than a year left!?
SixNine69Six96Nine | 3 hours ago
Especially if it is only two slices per day. My dementia risk must be 300%.
cantstoptheCOLEtrain | an hour ago
Not even just the school lunches
Thats been my work lunch for like 3-4 days a week my entire adult life. Not to mention fishing/camping...
wthulhu | 7 hours ago
Are we talking bologna, cold cuts, salami? Or even sliced turkey breast?
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Yes all of it, itās all got nitrates in it - unless youāre cooking the turkey breast at home and slicing it yourself.
TorrenceMightingale | 6 hours ago
Idk if it was left out because of fear of the truth or what but yes, we have to add bacon to this list, sadly.
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Is bacon considered a deli meat?
TorrenceMightingale | 6 hours ago
Idk but it has ze nitrites and its a cured meat so. I think it fits although it may not technically belong.
Thereās nitrite free bacon sometimes though. Not sold on it being healthier yet. Will let you know in 35 years or so if Iām still able to communicate.
aamygdaloidal | 5 hours ago
Itās says nitrite free but they use a natural product instead, which is essentially the same exact thing with the same problems
HexicDragon | 3 hours ago
Yeah, from what I gather isolating nitrates and adding them to another product is where the problems come from. Nitrate-rich veggies like celery and beets aren't linked to increased cancer and may have potential health benefits due to how the other plant compounds keep nitrates from converting to harmful nitrosamines. Instead, they mainly turn to potentially beneficial nitric oxide. Beets for example are associated with cardiovascular benefits like better blood oxygen usage thought to be from the nitric oxide.
Nitrates extracted and added to other foods tend to turn to dangerous nitrosamines which are carcinogenic. Vitamin C in veggies is thought to be part of what prevents the dangerous nitrosamines from forming so Vitamin C is required by USA law to be added to deli meats with added nitrates, but this doesn't work well and may even backfire. The presence of fats in deli meats may make the added vitamin C convert even more nitrates to nitrosamines. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/vitamin-c-enriched-bacon/
I'm no researcher or dietician, but my impression is it's kinda like sugar. Natural sugar in fruits isn't an issue for most people and fruits are overall healthy, but extracting this sugar and adding it to other foods is associated with all sorts of health problems. Just adding some fiber to your cheesecake probably isn't going to help much.
Muffinlette | an hour ago
From what I understand what matters is that they're added to specifically meat. To form a nitrosamine you need a nitrite + amino acids and then you need to force them to react with either heat (cooking) or acid (as in your stomach). Nitrates in vegetables eaten by themselves do not form nitrosamines because 1) you're missing the amino acids and 2) the Vitamin C and related compounds naturally found in vegetables inhibit the conversion. I know Most processed meats have vitamin C added to them specifically for this.
I remember reading about a study talking about when 10% lipid (fat) was introduced, vitamin C increased the formation of several nitrosamines. I wonder if leaner meat with less fat content would make a difference. link below: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17785370/
I've had this conversation before with a similar study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42162965/
HexicDragon | 47 minutes ago
Interesting, thanks for more information on this!
allonsyyy | an hour ago
There's no such thing as nitrate-free bacon. Bacon without nitrates is called pork belly.
TorrenceMightingale | an hour ago
So pork belly isnāt what bacon is just cubed instead of sliced?
Bought some sliced pork jowl once outta curiosity and got a ton of nice fat out of it and what was left was essentially the same as bacon.
allonsyyy | an hour ago
Pork belly is raw, not cured. Pork jowl would also be raw.
Italians salt-cure jowl, they call it guanciale. Good stuff, that's what you're supposed to use for carbonara. It shouldn't have nitrates, but you have to buy the good stuff and still watch labels like a hawk.
Or you get the stereotypical little old Italian man hobby and start hanging meats in your basement. Cure your own jowls.
TorrenceMightingale | 43 minutes ago
Iāll watch YOU like a hawk.
(Also thanks for putting me on game)
RodLeFrench | 40 minutes ago
If itās cured, it should have nitrates. Thats the curing part.
Fun fact: ānitrate-freeā bacon doesnāt really exist. Itās labeled ānitrate-freeā because it doesnāt contain derived or isolated nitrates, but it will contain an ingredient that *contains* nitrates, like celery powder, that provides the nitrates needed for the curing process.
allonsyyy | 20 minutes ago
You can cure things with just table salt. You need sodium nitrate salt for wetter cures.
Guanciale is supposed to be just table salt. Prosciutto too. That's why they're not that hot pink color, there's no pink salt.
Your fun fact is reiterating what I said one comment back.
Prinnykin | 2 hours ago
No. You still shouldnāt eat it though.
Neamow | an hour ago
I'd rather die 10 years earlier than live a life without bacon.
Prinnykin | 45 minutes ago
Haha fair enough.
But Iām worried it will be 40 years earlier rather than 10. Thereās a big increase in young people dying from bowel cancer, and they think itās due to processed meat.
ProgressBartender | 5 hours ago
Donāt touch my bacon.
TorrenceMightingale | 5 hours ago
Ok, my baby I sholly wonāt.
DropTheBeatAndTheBas | 4 hours ago
bacon and egg sandwich - the king of breakfast saviors at many a hungover festival morning or before a hard days graft, dont forget a hot sweet tea or coffee
say-no-to-nitrates | 3 hours ago
I'm so glad my username finally has a moment to shine in this thread.
space_monster | 2 hours ago
I say "no" to nitrates...
When nitrates says to me "save some for tomorrow!"
RustyShakleferdd | 3 hours ago
All this over a slice of gabagool?
snuuginz | 2 hours ago
He was a delicious Italian lunchmeat, and in this house, gabagool is a hero, end o' story!
DropTheBeatAndTheBas | 6 hours ago
luckily nitrate free bacon is now sweeping uk shelves
asyork | 6 hours ago
I did some googling because over here in the US we had bacon that says that for a long time, but it's pretty much always a lie. They add celery powder, which is full of nitrates, often even more than would be added during normal curing to account for natural variance. This legally allows them to say they didn't add nitrates, and doesn't even get declared as an allergen. You guys seem to be doing it the right way. They can't claim no nitrates if they add an ingredient that naturally has them, and if they go with celery powder to be able to claim all natural or whatever, it has to be declared as an allergen and preservative.
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Is bacon a deli meat?
IsopodDry8635 | 4 hours ago
There are lots of lunch meat varieties that are advertised on the container and nutrition label as nitrite/nitrate free
Man0fGreenGables | 2 hours ago
And they almost always still contain the same amount of nitrates. It's a loophole claim just like "fat free" cooking oil sprays that are really 100 percent fat.
WaitForItTheMongols | 4 hours ago
What about things like Tofurkey? Is that nitrate based too?
metwicewhat | an hour ago
What if it that fancy Boarshead with zero nitrates?
Triette | 3 hours ago
So nitrate free is ok then?
NoSpiceOrRice | 2 hours ago
No, because those that are ānitrate freeā or donāt list it in the ingredients contain natural sources of nitrates like celery powder or juice which functions to synthetic sodium nitrate in the body.
StrawberryLassi | 3 hours ago
It's about as trustworthy as "flushable wipes".
boththingsandideas | 6 hours ago
Yeah im confused by this. "Lunch Meat" is always generalized as an UPF, but I literally buy a whole roasted turkey Breast that's is Breast, salt, and seasonings.
Ombortron | 6 hours ago
There are sneaky ways companies will add nitrates to otherwise simple ingredient lists, one of those is smoke (along with tricky wording like no artificial nitrates etc). But if the brand youāre using really does only have salt and seasoning thatās great!
asyork | 6 hours ago
Unfortunately, you can sneak nitrates in as "Natural Flavor" in the US. Celery powder is both full of nitrates and considered a "Natural Flavor" for meats.
SonnyvonShark | 3 hours ago
Wonder if that is the case in Canada too.
Ombortron | 2 hours ago
Interesting i was wondering about exactly that type of loophole!
GaJayhawker0513 | 4 hours ago
We talking tacos?
wthulhu | 3 hours ago
I mean, sure, why not
[OP] cindyx7102 | 7 hours ago
āIn A Nutshell
A large UK study found that each extra 25 grams of processed meat eaten daily was linked to a 44 to 52 percent higher risk of dementia and Alzheimerās disease.
A separate modeling analysis estimated that swapping 10 percent of daily calories from ultraprocessed foods for unprocessed food could lower dementia risk by 19 percent.
Higher ultraprocessed food intake has also been tied to depression, anxiety, and signs of brain shrinkage on scans.
All of the human evidence is observational, so it cannot prove cause and effect, and most clues about how these foods might harm the brain come from animal studies.
Eating just one more ounce of processed meat every day was tied to as much as a 52 percent higher risk of developing dementia, according to a massive UK study cited in a new scientific review. Researchers drew on health data from nearly 500,000 people and found that each additional 25 grams of processed meat consumed daily, roughly the weight of two slices of deli turkey, corresponded with a 44 to 52 percent increase in the risk of all-cause dementia and Alzheimerās disease specifically.
Published in Annual Review of Nutrition, the review pulls together decades of research on ultraprocessed foods and brain aging. Processed meat is only one piece of a much bigger picture that includes sodas, packaged snacks, and other heavily manufactured products now making up more than half the calories many Americans eat in a day.
Researchers behind the review arenāt claiming a hot dog directly causes memory loss. Instead, they point to a growing, if still incomplete, body of evidence that heavily processed food may work against the brain over the course of a lifetime, through inflammation, damage to blood vessels, and disruption of the chemical signals brain cells use to communicate. Its authors describe the biology behind these links as poorly understood and call for better-designed human studies before anyone draws firm conclusionsā¦ā
send420nudes | 7 hours ago
Odd title.
I was going to say that if that was the case Spaniards would have a much higher prevalence of Dementia or Alzheimer. But:
"Processed meat is only one piece of a much bigger picture that includes sodas, packaged snacks, and other heavily manufactured products now making up more than half the calories many Americans eat in a day."
Alextricity | 7 hours ago
Since making all of my meals at home Iāve beenā¦ way better for it. My blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol are finally not just fine, theyāre great. I also lost 20 pounds without trying and if it werenāt for my partner also losing weight at the same time Iādāve assumed I had cancer. Itās 100% worth the extra effort.
ā¦it also helps that it saves a lot of money versus getting a shitty disappointing half-wrong Doordashād Taco Bell order.
garbaged0g | 6 hours ago
do you include canned and frozen foods in this? i've been trying to do the same but i've found constantly racing to use vegetables and washing dishes to be a real pain in the ass that demotivates me long term. doesnt help that i got a laundry list of disorders that all make keeping up with it hard. i've found canned foods and steam-able frozen vegetables are amazing for this. for the canned stuff i make sure it's bpa-free but other than that i dont really care for salt content since im not old enough to be worrying about that quite yet (and assuming i keep good cholesterol habits, i may never have to worry about it)
if you keep away from canned and frozen stuff then how do you deal with all the prep and cleanup?
Glass_Visits | 6 hours ago
canned and frozen vegatables are fine. the problem with ultraprocessed foods are the added sugars, salts, preservatives, artificial color etc etc. so unless youre buying frozen food with all sorts of additives you should be fine. if its just vegatables and such, youre good. personally i think its great, staples in my kitchen include canned tomatoes, corn, beans and sometimes frozen spinach, corn/peas, berries etc (i have a small freezer so it depends really). potatoes and onions in the fridge even though they can do without. but having frozen/canned veggies makes it so much easier to add essential nutrients and fiber to your diet. i use fresh veggies as well, but its easier to do both. i can recommend one pot recipes and learning to make a good salad vinaigrette (its really easy).
Diabetesh | an hour ago
Go frozen. Canned can have added sodium and often have no nutritional value compared to the frozen.
The time spent in shopping cooking eating cleaning vs eating out varies on what you eat out. If you are going to a sit down place like chilis then you probably spend just as much time sitting there or driving as you would prepping/cooking/cleaning. Difference being at home you can be in your underwear and have a show, music, or podcast playing. Maybe while waiting for food to finish cooking you get to work on something else you needed to do for a bit. If you are getting fast food on the way home then that may be different on time. That and what might be an hour or so cooking and cleaning one night is zero time c&c while warming up leftovers the next night or a couple nights from then.
duct_tape_jedi | 5 hours ago
We have also started cooking at home and cut out most of our restaurant visits specifically because of your last point. Most of our fave places have had such huge drops in quality that it just became an exercise in disappointment. And in our case, we went to local restaurants exclusively, no chains. We still have a couple of places that have remained good, and we'll go on the weekend to get a break from cooking, but it has been so nice to eat meals at home that we are happy with. As a bonus, I always have leftovers for lunch so the amount of money spent on food in general has dropped significantly.
Diabetesh | an hour ago
My previous boss went from eating out twice a day to cooking at home most of the time. Also eating a lot more fish that he wasn't eating before. Was like on like 5-7 pills and is now down to like 1-2. Most of his bloodwork is in the normal ranges where as before he needed the pills to be borderline.
SookiSwann | 5 hours ago
Well at least for Taco Bell, I usually end up eating vegetarian there anyway.
kittenmittens4865 | 4 hours ago
This makes me feel so much better. (No, I didnāt read the article). I try to limit processed meat but I love Italian subs and chopped salads! Sometimes I grow through phases where itās all I want!
I do however know that my fiber intake exceeds the average American by a lot, and I tend to at least eat real food/avoid packaged snacks and soda.
Mokseong | 4 hours ago
I think it depends on how it's manufactured. That famous Spanish ham takes time to make and only uses natural ingredients. On the other hand, the cheap sausages and ham one gets who knows what it may contain besides what's declared on the label.
trashmoneyxyz | 2 hours ago
Yea, isn't cured spanish ham usually sea salt as a preservative? Mind you that much salt is not healthy to eat every day, but most modern cured meats use nitrates as a cure which is way worse for you than regular salt
Diabetesh | an hour ago
Could it be that higher intake of salt/sugar leads to it more so than cured meats?
dedom19 | 6 hours ago
Interestingly the lead researchers thesis shows that those of the cohort who never ate deli meat had a .64% dementia risk over about 8 years. Those that ate it less than once weekly were at .49%. Once weekly .57%. 2-4 times .71%. 5+ times .90%. Those are the unadjusted rates anyway. I guess it was self reported? Never being higher than less than once or once weekly sort of points to what your post says. There are other factors. But it does seem clear that deli meat hangs out around those factors if it isn't a big one particularly when eaten very often.
Okichah | 4 hours ago
I feel like a person who eats deli meat everyday isnt going to be the most health conscious person to begin with.
Xzenor | 5 hours ago
Great but why? What's the thing that's in processed food but not in unprocessed food that causes this?
Man0fGreenGables | 2 hours ago
A bunch of poison that the government allows in food because it's profitable.
TheOnlySkinnyface | 7 hours ago
i eat a ton of deli meat and i'm mostly fine
TheOnlySkinnyface | 7 hours ago
yeah me too, sounds really overblown for what it is
TheOnlySkinnyface | 7 hours ago
i would agree, but i think we all have a few screws loose nowadays
Triette | 3 hours ago
I like you, all of yous
blobbyboy123 | an hour ago
Me too
blobbyboy123 | an hour ago
Me too
Sober_Alcoholic_ | 7 hours ago
Dudes talking to himself without switching accounts first š
Manipulation and propaganda. Fuck you.
TactitcalPterodactyl | 7 hours ago
That was the joke.
TheOnlySkinnyface | 7 hours ago
he'll figure it out
Comatose53 | 6 hours ago
Bless your wishful thinking, but they wonāt.
thisdesignup | 5 hours ago
Probably eats more than 2 slices of deli meat per day.
prophishonal | 5 hours ago
Who's the one eating deli meat is the real question
PurpleZerg | 5 hours ago
I found Big Deli Meat you guys! Arrest this man.
GossamerGTP | 5 hours ago
Too much deli meat :/
WallyWorst | 6 hours ago
What kinda slices did you have today?
dedom19 | 6 hours ago
This might ruin the joke, but I feel bad. The poster was pretending to have dementia from eating deli meat.
thewarfreak | 6 hours ago
r/woosh
Wi1dWitch | 4 hours ago
The biggest whoosh thatās ever whooshed.
PurpsMaSquirt | 5 hours ago
Nothing gets past you, amirite bud?
RustyShakleferdd | 3 hours ago
There's been a lot of dummies on reddit lately, huh?
VladThePollenInhaler | 4 hours ago
That was the whole joke. You may want to get yours checked homie.
Gloomy-Insurance-739 | 3 hours ago
You eat a lot of ham?
Hi-Im-High | 5 hours ago
Dementia joke. Second half of username checks out.
Master_Cannoli | 4 hours ago
Woooosh
UlsterManInScotland | 4 hours ago
r/woosh
trulycantthinkofone | 4 hours ago
Damn, we really arenāt going to make it are we?
hbicuche | 4 hours ago
Open up the schools, people donāt understand what a joke is!
Triette | 3 hours ago
Wow bud maybe YOU need to lay off the deli meat. That went right over your head.
_MrMeseeks | 3 hours ago
r/woosh
LewdLewyD13 | 3 hours ago
You should go back to just being a regular alcoholic.
Phillip_Graves | 2 hours ago
Damn, Drax, have a Snickers.
Sober-ButStillFucked | 4 hours ago
I like the username
koopabudda | 7 hours ago
Well we can say the same about people who die from lung cancer because of cigarettes at the age of 40 but then we have people who smoked all their lives and are still alive at 80
jimmycoed | 3 hours ago
My great uncle smoked and chewed. Diabetes eventually caused his death but he lived to be 95.
dancesWithNeckbeards | 2 hours ago
Woosh.
AdmiralArchArch | 7 hours ago
I thought I ate deli meat the other day but now I don't remember.
MLutin | 4 hours ago
Grandpa, we make you peanut butter and jelly for lunch because your teeth can't chew the deli slices. Did you remember to take your pills?
blobbyboy123 | an hour ago
Me too
SelarDorr | 6 hours ago
What is linked is a nonsystematic review of current data involving 'ultra processed' foods and various neurodegenerative conditions.
The statement on dementia in the review and in this thread title is based on a single 2021 publication
Here is a systematic review paper that also includes that same publication along with others and runs a meta analysis, that has roughly the same finding but only for the highest assessed UPF intake level (they are assessing general UPF intake, not just meat).
High intake of ultra-processed food is associated with dementia in adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies (2023)
"10 observational (8 longitudinal) studies, analysing 867,316 individuals, were included. Included studies adjusted for age, socioeconomic status and co-morbidity, alongside other confounders. High (vs. low) intake of UPF was associated with increased risk of dementia (pooled relative risk 1.44 (95% confidence interval 1.09ā1.90) (pā=ā0.02)) (I^(2)ā=ā97.0%), although moderate **(**vs. low) intake of UPF was not (1.12 (0.96ā1.31) (0.13)) (85.0%)"
"High UPF intake was defined as the highest value"
"When studies adjusted for T2D (1.47 (0.97ā2.00) (0.06)) (97.9% (<ā0.01)) and TEI [total energy intake] (1.26 (0.95ā1.67) (0.09)) (93.9% (<ā0.01)), significant associations were lost."
Compared to the 2021 study, "FFQ only covered some commonly consumed foods and was not suitable to assess total energy or nutrient intakes; systematic bias from self-reported measures at recruitment and low responses to the more detailed repeated 24-h dietary assessments with less than half participants may limit generalizability"
The 2021 that generates the statement in the title has a median follow up time of 8 years. Other publications on dementia find behavioral changes preceeding clinical levels of dementia occuring up to 9 years before diagnosis, making reverse causality a significant concern at short follow up.
Additionally, in the supplemental figures of this publication, they apply more stringent restrictions on the data set. The p-value for the association between ultra processed meat consumption and dementia increasees to 0.224 (non significant) when only including participates where complete data on assessed covariates were included (n=391809).
I think with all the data currently available, it is pretty reasonable to hypothesize that high levels of consumption of highly processed red meat can be a causative factor in the development of neurodegenerative diseases.
At low levels of consumption, i.e. 2 slices of deli meat a day, i think that hypothesis is much weaker.
Much_Grand_8558 | 2 hours ago
What if I tend to wake up in the middle of the night and eat 64 slices of American cheese?
rilesmcjiles | 2 hours ago
That's at night, not day. You're good.
zarqie | an hour ago
Yup. Itās āday-mentiaā.
tychuscobalt | 56 minutes ago
Fighter of night-mentia
lyingteeth | 2 hours ago
I think you'll go blind, if I remember the study by H Simpson
Low_Technician7346 | 7 hours ago
merde
One-Knowledge7097 | 7 hours ago
Well sure, having to make sure you ate exactly two slices of deli meat every day of your entire life would make anyone lose their mind.
TropicalMako | an hour ago
Yet another observational study with findings misconstrued as causal claims. Willing to bet deli meat consumption is strongly and inversely linked to socioeconomic status / income.
Bastiis | 15 minutes ago
The researchers unsurprisingly considered this too and controlled for socioeconomic factors in the research
JustDoc | 5 hours ago
So, what isnt being talked about is that counties like Spain, Italy, and France have some of the highest intakes of cured meats in the world, per capita, but they also have a high intake of vegetables, fruits, olive oil, and polyphenol-rich foods (wine, etc.).
A similar Danish study noted that antioxidants and polyphenols from plants inhibit N-nitrosamine formation, essentially counteracting the harmful pathway. The Mediterranean diet pattern is broadly neuroprotective, which may cancel out the small negative effect of cured meats.
MaybeNorthKorea | 2 hours ago
Good thing I eat 3. That was a close one.
falloutoftsushima | 7 hours ago
The gabagool is not gabagood (in large doses)
CipherWeaver | an hour ago
Does this show a direct connection between deli meat and dementia, or just poverty and workload and dementia?
Theblackjamesbrown | an hour ago
Yes
Lost_Department_2177 | 7 hours ago
Processed food in general is bad. Cooking from scratch is usually cheaper and better. Pick a day then make a few meals for the week then freeze them. Youāll have a healthier diet and get a constructive hobby that has mental health benefits. Just donāt get drunk while doing it cause then itāll become a problem
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Yes but Iād still count making a sandwich from home making food from scratch, and I think most people would too.
wrosecrans | 6 hours ago
Unfortunately as a consumer it's super difficult to figure out what counts as super processed. Technically the simplest pissible slice of bread has been though all sorts of processes, so you can't shop for stuff that hasn't been through any sort of process. There's clearly a difference between an old school whole grain loaf and a modern commercial ultra processed Wonderbread. But the manufacturing is all invisible to the consumer, so you have no intuitive notion of what all gets added and what all of it does, and which specific processing steps are actually a problem.
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
There actually isnāt that much difference between and old school whole grain loaf and a loaf of wonderbread if youāre buying a pre-packaged brand - look at the ingredient lists, same shit different pile.
I try to go for baked in store with the stores o trust or get real bread from bakeries on TooGoodToGo.
streamofbsness | 2 hours ago
For meat, anything with nitrates and nitrites (including celery salt) in the ingredients. Nitrates + proteins = nitrosamines, known carcinogens. Basically, any kind of preserved meat. Especially bad if it gets cooked, especially the blackened bits.
For bread, rice, etc: setting aside additives for a bit: anything that removes or breaks down fiber. You want your carbs to be tough to digest so you get a slow steady stream of blood sugar. White bread is bad because not only are the ānutrientsā filtered out, itās been refined to just the fast-digested starches.
luckyelectric | 44 minutes ago
A lot of the deli meat packages say nitrate freeā¦
Lost_Department_2177 | 6 hours ago
Not exactly. Big brands use chemicals to make the meat last longer
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Which big brands, which chemicals and what has changed say since 1995?
streamofbsness | 2 hours ago
All brands since forever (like, since humans have cured meat around 7000BC) using any form of nitrates/nitrites. They are effective preservatives. Unfortunately, they react with amines (including the amino acids that make up the protein that makes up meat) to make nitrosamines, with react with DNA, thus causing cancer.
What might have changed in recent human history is the introduction of āartificialā, industrially-produced nitrates. But ānaturalā nitrates, like celery juice or celery salt, are still nitrates, and thus still cause cancer.
Edit: technically itās nitrites. Natural nitrates get converted to nitrites by bacteria, and artificial methods skip that step and just make nitrites. Either way, same end result.
AwkwardChuckle | an hour ago
Iāve heard from a few different people that anything labelled as natural nitrates or that contains celery seed extract can actually be worse than artificial nitrates as theyāre presence and dosages arenāt regulated since theyāre seen as ānaturalā.
WTFudge52 | 7 hours ago
That sounds like personal experience š.
Lost_Department_2177 | 7 hours ago
Get drunk and cook become get drunk and clean then becomes get drunk then shop.
Donāt mix chores and work with drinking itās never good.
duct_tape_jedi | 5 hours ago
You couldn't be more wrong! I also started drinking while cooking, then cleaning, then shopping, and now I'm drunk at work! Wait, are you saying that it's the DRINKING part that's a problem...? Shit.
0DayMaker | 7 hours ago
I don't see processed as a catch-all label for "bad" because it's not. Deli meats though are like the PRIME example of a bad-for-you processed food. All the nitrites used for curing are all heavily linked with various bits of cancer.
Corpus_Juris_13 | 5 hours ago
I love sandwiches though.. what are us sandwich lovers supposed to do?
jj55 | 5 hours ago
I buy cooked turkey beast from Costco and slice it myself.
Edit: breast. Not beast. But I like this typo so it stays.
frazorblade | 4 hours ago
The whole beast?
OnlyLosersinYourBldg | 4 hours ago
Yes.
But even if it were a portion of the breast that changes nothing
Exact-Kale3070 | 2 hours ago
you might try no nitrite/nitrate meats but also make it a sometimes food. i LOVE sandwiches and all sorts of totally carcinogenic shit bc chicagoan.
anvilfoot | 25 minutes ago
Cook a roast once a week, slice and fridge it. You can even freeze the slices if you want to cook less often
Lost_Department_2177 | 6 hours ago
Red meat and pork are pretty bad in general but the food industry is reliant on it.
datyoungknockoutkid | 2 hours ago
That last line feels so random lol
Go to college and get your degree and get a good job but just donāt get addicted to meth too because that could be an issue
WinglyBap | 6 hours ago
I read somewhere that some alcohol can be a good thing as it generally means that you socialise which negates the badness of the alcohol. Obviously drinking alone frequently doesnāt apply here.
puterTDI | 3 hours ago
There is no safe amount of alcohol.
I drink, but itās important to realize when you do something thatās bad for you. Feel free to choose to drink, but donāt tell yourself itās healthy. Any amount of alcohol comes with risk.
Brave-Secretary2484 | an hour ago
I drink too, but realize itās literal poison in any amount
WinglyBap | 21 minutes ago
Iām aware. What Iām saying is that people who drink and socialise donāt have a lower life expectancy than people who donāt drink or socialise.
No-Weakness4448 | 6 hours ago
Ha ha, a bottle of wine during a cookout is a must š¤£
Lost_Department_2177 | 6 hours ago
Thatās different
chobolicious88 | 7 hours ago
Frozen food tastes awful tho
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
You donāt know how to properly freeze leftovers???
awhaling | 5 hours ago
Tips?
chobolicious88 | 6 hours ago
I just find food that unfreezes has poor texture and tastes washed out/old.
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Might be a skill or knowledge issue.
Some foods just donāt freeze well, or need slight extra prep to make them stay fresh in the freezer.
And foods shouldnāt taste washed out or old, that sounds like they havenāt been wrapped packaged well for the freezer and are getting freezer burn and the tell tale āfridge/freezerā taste that is totally avoidable!
chobolicious88 | 6 hours ago
Im neurodivergent so i feel it all amplified.
Idk, food that de frosts always has a certain mushy quality that makes me gag
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Fair point!
I too am neurodivergent, AUDHD gang unite!
Lost_Department_2177 | 7 hours ago
Cook freezer safe food. If itās fish or whatever just let it defrost then microwave or bake it. You could even bread chicken or fish then freeze it. The shelf stabilizers arenāt that great for you.
Unlikely-Key-234 | 6 hours ago
You have no business giving cooking advice if you think microwaving fish is a good idea.
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
Thatās a strictly at work or in public rule - that rule has nothing to do with home cooking.
Unlikely-Key-234 | 6 hours ago
No, cooking fish in the microwave ruins it. It's not just about smell.
AwkwardChuckle | 6 hours ago
I live in Salmon country, I have microwaved salmon probably over a few hundred times and it can come out just fine, trout works fine too in most cases.
Whitefish is a different beat sure, but itās really dependant on what type of fish youāre trying to microwave.
Lost_Department_2177 | 5 hours ago
This is that part of Reddit where the hive mind of office workers assemble to enforce office rules on other people microwaves.
Unlikely-Key-234 | 5 hours ago
Nothing I said has anything to do with working in an office. I just think microwaving fish is a terrible way to cook it.
Lost_Department_2177 | 5 hours ago
Thereās nothing wrong with it if you use the proper settings.
Unlikely-Key-234 | 5 hours ago
You and I just have different standards for "fine" then.
Ltrain86 | 6 hours ago
True, but that doesn't negate the rest of what they said re: processed foods. Fresh and freezing yourself is better for you.
Lost_Department_2177 | 6 hours ago
Better than eating bologna
BikingInMeUndies | 7 hours ago
RIP easy sammiches
VichelleMassage | 7 hours ago
Big Deli isn't going to be happy about this....
DropTheBeatAndTheBas | 6 hours ago
yea and all those new york cold cut corner shop deli's mmmm cold cut sub
ImaginationToForm2 | 2 hours ago
I conducted a thorough study of when people breathe air its 100% fatal.
Str4nded_R3coil | 6 hours ago
And for those of us that eat an entire block of cheese instead
LosingButNotWrong | 6 hours ago
What about cocaine? Does that cause dementia?
j____b____ | 3 hours ago
Not all deli meat is created equal. Roasted turkey is not the same as for your body as genoa salami.
Faolyn | 3 hours ago
It's the additives, not the type of meat.
j____b____ | 3 hours ago
thereās also a broken link to the study
Faolyn | 3 hours ago
Copy the title and then do a search using it.
Intrepid_Bobcat_2931 | 3 hours ago
We don't really know why, because there's countless confounding variables.
Do people who eat two slices of deli meat also tend to do something else that people who eat less slices tend to do less of?
Man0fGreenGables | 2 hours ago
They lose out on one meal a day with actual nutrients by eating a crappy sandwich that's likely on crappy nutritionless white bread. I'm sure that doesn't help.
Faolyn | 2 hours ago
True. But it does help to not eat unhealthy ingredients.
NIRPL | 3 hours ago
I can't wait to have dementia induced flashbacks to my many many many alternate video game lives and experiences. My nursing home is gonna have to adapt quickly depending on which game I spawn into that day
tecton1 | 3 hours ago
Leisure Suit Larry again? It's only Wednesday!
NIRPL | 2 hours ago
My nurses will be confused when they see my DOB after another Hell Let Loose Vietnam flashback lol
FuguSandwich | an hour ago
Deli meat is a broad category. You can have turkey breast or roast beef that is pretty much 100% meat versus something like bologna that is god knows what and includes a bunch of nitrates and nitrites.
AuthorThick7303 | 7 hours ago
I'm getting the meat sweats thinking about my former daily sandwich diet
D3kim | 6 hours ago
should look at asia for a study on processed food too, esp korea.. my fellow koreans eat ramen and packaged food so often cancer rates for stomach and the colon are alarming
adognameddanzig | 6 hours ago
Whew, good thing I eat 4 deli meats a day!
ChinoMorenoismyhero | an hour ago
I had 4 slices to today for lunch, I'm cooked.
AceDecade | 59 minutes ago
Wish I could unlearn this fact ;(
Orange-V-Apple | 7 hours ago
Fuck
No-Weakness4448 | 6 hours ago
Tell it to Italians who eat ādeliā meats each day. Maybe should clarify its UU or other, ultraprocessed, no meat detected garbage that is linked.
SquareTaro3270 | 6 hours ago
Maybe it doesnāt specify because it isnāt just a US issue
CurtCocane | 5 hours ago
10/10 this comment was made by an American. Italians actually really don't eat deli meats all that much
Cosmo_Seinfeld | 5 hours ago
>Italians actually really don't eat deli meats all that much
Yeah but I've studied Italian American stereotypes on television and they seem fond of capicola ham.
GodsGoodGrace | 4 hours ago
And gaba gool
frazorblade | 4 hours ago
Gabagool š¤
TheScrote1 | 4 hours ago
Iām American and I can state as a fact you all eat Subway Spicy Italian sandwiches every day
CurtCocane | 3 hours ago
I'm not actuallity Italian, I'm Dutch. I would say Germans, Danes and Dutch people eat far more processed deli meats than Italians from personal experience.
TheScrote1 | 3 hours ago
Crazy Iād have thought theyād be into the meatball marinara sub
No-Weakness4448 | 2 hours ago
I lived in italy for 5 years in non expat region. I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Most of the people I knew ate a mortadella panini every other day.
CurtCocane | 2 hours ago
Its very region dependent is more my point. Italian food is generally pretty different depending on where you live
BookkeeperBoobs | 2 hours ago
So when the Italian import place I get food at in New England ā¦they arenāt really getting their meats imported from Italyā¦or if they are, Italians arenāt eating those meats?
faximusy | 6 hours ago
Salame is bad, if not homemade, but prosciutto has only two ingredients.
Ghett0Chemist | 5 hours ago
Did you misspell salami? Might be sundowning
shayanx45 | 2 hours ago
Salami is plural salame is singular
CurtCocane | 5 hours ago
You're absolutely right. The main issue is that deli meats are overprocessed with additives whereas prosciutto is just cured salted pork
Lostmypants69 | 6 hours ago
So there's a 1 out of 2 chance im gonna get demetia...saweet
Brumfieldhm | 5 hours ago
I eat plenty of deli meat and
I still eat plenty of deli meat.
balaamsdream | 5 hours ago
What a bunch of bologna.
Noahms456 | 5 hours ago
Uh oh
0AJ0_ | 5 hours ago
Tough shit.
one_rainy_wish | 4 hours ago
Welp, it's been a good run
I would say I'll remember the good times, but I almost certainly won't
yeahiaintcutsowhat | 4 hours ago
This is why I eat 8 slices a day
Jasranwhit | 4 hours ago
Gabagool?
FirstTeamAllGrizz | 4 hours ago
What about the whole packet at 2AM in my underwear with the fridge door open?
OleBoleHole | 4 hours ago
š¶ Woke up this morning, got some gabagool š¶
energy-369 | 3 hours ago
Iām just happy thereās finally a study around preserved meats specifically and all meat arenāt lumped into the same study.
Best-Salad | 3 hours ago
Gabagool??? Ova here
Cute-Illustrator-862 | 3 hours ago
Is Italy just full of people with dementia then?
Fun-Grab-9337 | 3 hours ago
Last week I saw glucosamine, this week its deli meat. Whats next in the dementia sweepstakes?
ThankuConan | 3 hours ago
From the article: Its authors describe the biology behind these links as poorly understood and call for better-designed human studies before anyone draws firm conclusionsā¦ā
Uptowner26 | 2 hours ago
Wonderful. Everyone grew up eating sandwiches in school at lunchtime (though I altered between PBJ and turkey sandwiches) and then grew up went off to work eating more sandwiches for lunch.
Love smoked salmon but here that has high levels of nitrates involved in the curing processā¦
Secure-Pain-9735 | 2 hours ago
āNot found.ā
Puzzleheaded-Ad6023 | 2 hours ago
New Jersey Italian here, I am so fucked.
zoipoi | 2 hours ago
How depressing, I'm not much of an eater to begin with and have trouble maintaining weight. A sandwich here and some processed food there is about all I'm motivated to eat. Turning food into a job is going to be really hard for me.
cambn | 2 hours ago
My favorite recent headline was something about how sleeping more than 8 hours a night or less than 7 hours was linked to a higher risk of dementia.
I challenge the scientific community to find what amount of slices above 2 ā¦ inverts the curve.
Wonderplace | an hour ago
What is the absolute risk, not the relative risk?
carterartist | an hour ago
Link broke.. so not gonna put much stock in the claims
AirportBubbly3947 | an hour ago
Everything is bad
yulbrynnersmokes | 33 minutes ago
According to California
zbyszekz | an hour ago
Is the article link broken for anyone else? Getting a Not Found
Trees_feel_too | an hour ago
That link isn't opening anything on mobile
yulbrynnersmokes | 34 minutes ago
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SurlyNeige | 27 minutes ago
This is why I only have 14 slices once a week
ass-gas-hotbox | 26 minutes ago
if this is true I should have had dementia when I was 9
Shardik884 | 26 minutes ago
Shit I had like 7 or 8 slices of deli turkey on my sandwich at lunch today. I guess Iām 176% more likely to get dementia
Rakefighter | 20 minutes ago
I like cheese from the deli and really don't eat cold cuts, but damn the little old ladies taking 10 minutes to fill up on the sliced montadella and everything else on a Saturday morning
englandisablaze | 8 minutes ago
But the Mediterranean diet!
takeme2space | 2 hours ago
Did the study identify the mechanism of action? If not, Iād really heavily discount this.
ryeguymft | 2 hours ago
there are so many confounding variables here. not all deli meat has the same ingredients of processing. this study sounds like junk
AdPuzzleheaded1495 | 7 hours ago
bye bye charcuterie :/
Noressa | 7 hours ago
Nah, just y'know, moderation. Unless you're eating charcuterie every day in which case I can't help ya :D
AdPuzzleheaded1495 | 4 hours ago
It's everyday, I like my pepperoni and ham :(
I like my brain more though so that stops now
BostonSucksatHockey | 2 hours ago
Another victory for learning how to make deli-esque cuts at home.
Dysintegration | an hour ago
Uh huh. Hypothetically, what would decrease it by 44% for those of us who did not have this information as teenagers?
bannana | an hour ago
processed and preserved meats are high on the food carcinogens list
Revolutionaryboymike | an hour ago
Warren Zevon once said to enjoy every sandwich and I'm gonna choose to continue to do so.
portal-mage | 55 minutes ago
So protein is bad now. Got it.