i've actually been looking for something like this for so long. all the online transcribers make me pay and i just wanna learn how play songs from a video. this is a great idea!
I had exactly the same issue. I'm learning to play guitar and don't want to pay 8,50 per tab. I simply want to learn something new and discard it. I noticed I'm learning faster if it's printed then on-screen.
This is very true. Tabs can help in niche cases where the precision really matters, but most tabs are not that good unless written by the original artist (rare).
If I had spent my first year learning the instrument properly, I wouldn't have wasted the next decade after that fumbling around so much.
This is absolutely true...but it takes a LOT of time. Fortunately, I first picked up a guitar when I was 13.
I can't imagine getting started with any instrument as an adult. Actually, I'm trying to improve my piano playing right now and it's nearly impossible.
I'd love to. I'm 40+, never played an instrument in my life or did anything with music. I tried several approaches to improve my ability to recognize chords by ear or even individual notes, but it is incredibly hard for me to the point it feels impossible even for a couple of notes.
I'm curious how it works for videos that contain moving tab (as in, the playhead stays in the center while the tab moves behind it). Seems like that sort of tab wouldn't work with this approach...?
Kudos from one of the Soundslice guys — we've been making web-based tab and sheet music stuff since 2012. :)
It wouldn't work for that type of video. As far as I've seen almost all tutorial videos on Youtube have a fixed tab bar though. I'm using it only for learning guitar (i'm a beginner).
Not to rain on the parade but my (er...considerable) experience has been that the videos you end up watching to figure out non-trivial songs do not have tabs at all. The teacher generally describes finger positions one finger at a time visually, or will describe fingering as "it's a D chord shifted up to the 7th fret" etc. E.g Uncle Stu -- no tabs, 12-Foot Chain guy has a sketchy tab once in a while, Shutup and Play guy -- no tabs, Jon MacLennan, Justin, Marty (cool Marty) puts up pencil tabs here and there, other Marty (hat guy) does not, etc. I haven't heard Rick Beato play in a long time but I don't remember him putting up tabs either.
Heck I'm going to say it: tabs actually aren't the medium you want anyway. After getting up and running on guitar, players know what all the chords look like so only need the names with perhaps the fret position as a guide to the voicing.
I don't have an answer, but wanted to say that I started using Soundslice about 9 months ago and I absolutely love it. It does exactly the part of transcribing that I want done for me and nothing more, which is basically none of it except the boring stuff.
For context, I'm not transcribing to distribute sheet music or anything, although I'm sure you could. I write down just enough when transcribing so I don't forget what I just figured out. I do it to practice my ear and learn songs.
That said, it's the fastest way to get a track into some player, define loop points easily, and then write down what I need to along with the player. I can jot down chords, lyrics, tabs of riffs, etc. I've tried tons of solutions over the years like sooperlooper, ableton live, reaper, winamp, youtube. this is by far the easiest, with just the right set of tools. It also doesn't do any of it automatically, so there's not even a temptation to skip practicing my ear.
Soundslice lets you start with a real recording (MP3 or YouTube) and integrates the audio/video playback directly with a tab/notation editor.
So as you play the audio (with slowdown, looping, etc.), you can immediately write down what you figured out, and that written notation stays synced with the original recording. This workflow for transcription is fantastic, because otherwise you're juggling multiple apps (audio playback/slowdown, plus notation software).
Since you asked about MuseScore: MuseScore is purely scoring software, without the ability to sync with real audio. You can also use Soundslice as a pure sheet music editor; the main difference is it's web-based as opposed to being a desktop app like MuseScore. Soundslice also has the philosophy that the music might always be displayed on different devices, so it's engraved on the fly depending on your screen dimensions. (MuseScore sort of assumes the end result will be a fixed-dimension such as paper.)
Yes, for sure. You could probably train a specific vision model for this style of image parsing and run it on device for free. However, this was much easer to make :-)
Almost all those people charge for the PDFs. They know the PDF is more useful, that's why the video is free.
I don't think your software is (or should be) illegal. But it's a form of theft, and incredibly unethical. These people worked very hard on these tabs and don't make much money. You (and kiaansaraiya and neogenix) should be ashamed of yourselves. You don't deserve your guitar if you steal tabs from working musicians.
I'm not a lawyer but based on some googling it seems like the overwhelming consensus is that selling transcribed sheet music or tabs if you do not have permission from the copyright holder of the song is illegal.
As an occasional amateur music transcriber I'd say the goal of transcription is not transformation. If I'm transforming, I've failed :)
Inevitably the transcriber makes decisions in how to deviate from the reference recording, be it omission of instruments, microchanges in tempo and pitch or articulation. In theory a good transcription is an exact graphical representation of the abstract sonic intent of the artist.
Of course, if you are combining voices, changing chords, it approaches an arrangement which is a more creative endeavor.
In some cases, the composer makes the video, and is sharing their own work.
In other cases, the transcribed part is not a composed part, and the composer who is listed (Lennon/McCartney) did not write or perform it (e.g. Ringo's drums).
In yet other cases, the composer was long dead before the recording was made, and the melody being transcribed is meaningfully different than the one they composed. Common in jazz.
"Composer" is a 19th century idea, enshrined in copyright law in the 1920's in order to protect the people who made sheet music for piano players to play in their parlor. Musical expression deserves attribution and protection, but let's not pretend the name on the liner notes is a Beethoven with a long quill creating a work of genius out of their solo effort.
"you don't deserve your guitar if you steal tabs from working musicians"
the same "working" musicians who didn't write the music they're making tabs for, didn't get any permission from the original artists, and in many cases aren't actually playing/tabbing the parts as originally written.
A "working" musician is someone who doesn't monetize someone else's work, regardless of how super hard it must be to write a PDF.
I'd say someone should take your guitar away but I'd bet money you're not doing anything groundbreaking with it anyway.
But then the solution is to just ignore these musicians.
But if you do find that they made something valuable that you can’t find elsewhere, then you should compensate them for that. Because yes, it is a lot of work.
The solution? Put in the work to learn how to play by ear, build chords from the tonic by identifying intervals and scale degrees. So when Youtube, on a whim, decides to DMCA all these "musicians" churning out tabs of popular songs, you wont be beholden to them.
It's much more simple than that. You are not stealing their tabs, you are stealing/downloading their youtube videos which falls under copyright. Forget about the tabs, the first step is illegal and theft already. It doesn't matter how much money or work the creator does, you should not steal other people's work like this and I am sure youtube doesn't allow this on their tos
The people making the video are already making the information public, you are just making it more convenient. This strikes me as similar to downloading public court documents from a government site to make them available outside of their for-profit service.
Using computer vision to read the existing tab from the page would be more efficient and precise than trying to use audio processing to isolate individual notes from a single instrument in a potentially busy audio track. The existing tabs also nail down which string and fret is used for each note, which would be a difficult task for audio processing because there are multiple combinations of string and fret for any given note. For example, an open G can also be played on the 5th fret of the D string, or the 10th fret of the A string, or the 15th fret of the E string.
I understand but would assume it could be solved by chord/positional groupings or similar. Manual/human tab transcription need to infer positional assumptions anyway; some artists will play the same songs different ways too ala Bob Weir
> the existing tab from the page would be more efficient and precise
But what about songs that aren't made into a YT video?
As far as I know, there still isn’t a tool that can reliably produce usable transcriptions out of the box, although the results for solo piano can be reasonably good. A lack of high-quality labeled training data, especially for instruments other than piano, is probably part of the reason. But the problem is also more complicated than it might initially seem: you have to handle polyphony, overlapping harmonics, timing and articulation. And in the case of guitar tabs, it's even more complicated as one needs to determine what tuning is used (if not standard), which string and fret produced each note. Or separately rearrange the tab.
as far as i remember only the Pro tabs are paywalled (the ones created professionally)? the community tabs are all freely available on web, and carry little restrictions on mobile
Exactly why I can get behind a scrape here. They are already freely accessable.
I don't like having to switch to desktop mode to transpose though. They want you to get the app to do it on mobile which is enough of a reason to make a special program to do exactly what I want.
Also, scraping chord charts is in a different catagory from tabs. I can't even actually read tabs but with a chord chart you can get close enough to noodle around and emulate. Good enough for my needs.
Let me introduce you to freetar!
It currently has issues due to cloudflare blocking, however I have already created a pull request that fixes this [0].
Given the code is pretty straightforward, turning it into a scraper shouldn't be too hard of a task!
There are examples on github from the beforetimes (preai). I made my own little version with a basic ui in python a couple years ago. Works pretty good. Best to pull the powertab or guitar pro tab versions though and open in tuxguitar.
Here is what I was cribbing from with my own version. Seems they updated it since.
I was excited to use it, as I really wanted something like this, then I realized it needs AI/Claude (?)
That sounds like it can get quite costly. Probably there are ways to do it without AI, I would rather manually annotate the tab area with a visual editor.
Manually select a rectangle on a video frame, then do basic computer vision to detect notes, or even a simple image processing algorithm to find the lines and notes.
Learning music from recordings (video or just audio) would be so much easy if modern video and audio playback software would bring back the AB repeat function that used to be common on CD players, DVD players, LaserDisc players, and MP3 players.
Check out Soundslice for exactly this. It's great audio/video playback (with slowdown, looping, etc.), with an integrated tab and sheet music editor. So you can write down what you've figured out, and it remains synced with the original audio.
So I'm a bass guitarist, and I've made some of these exact videos.
I link to a Patreon in my videos that lets you pay a membership to download the full tabs in PDFs.
Here I was thinking AI might soon replace my painstakingly slow tab transcription efforts altogether. But I never thought about someone just ripping it from the video...
That kind of tool is indeed helpful. I wrote a kind of similar command line version that does a subset of what your's does in C around 1985 for my Mac, running in the terminal-like window my compiler's runtime provided for running command line programs.
Your's looks nicer :-)
Here's the output of mine for a C chord.
C: C E G
<3>|-----|-----|-<5>-|-----|-----|-----|-----|-<1>-|-----|-----|-----|-<3>-|
|-<1>-|-----|-----|-----|-<3>-|-----|-----|-<5>-|-----|-----|-----|-----|
<5>|-----|-----|-----|-----|-<1>-|-----|-----|-----|-<3>-|-----|-----|-<5>-|
|-----|-<3>-|-----|-----|-<5>-|-----|-----|-----|-----|-<1>-|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-<1>-|-----|-----|-----|-<3>-|-----|-----|-<5>-|-----|-----|
<3>|-----|-----|-<5>-|-----|-----|-----|-----|-<1>-|-----|-----|-----|-<3>-|
and here it is if I toss in the narrow switch:
C: C E G
3 |---|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|-3-|---|---|-5-|
|-1-|---|---|---|-3-|---|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|
5 |---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|-3-|---|---|-5-|---|---|---|
|---|-3-|---|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|-3-|---|
|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|-3-|---|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|-1-|
3 |---|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|-3-|---|---|-5-|
Here's the source [1], minimally updated to compile with current C compilers and to not depend on any quirks of the runtime of whatever C development system I was using on my Mac back then (Megamax C, I think).
I was pretty shaky on chord theory back then so not sure I'd trust it for fancy chords. I have no idea why the heck I made the D tuning flag tune both the 1st and 6th strings down to D. I'm 100% certain every piece of sheet music I had that called for for D tuning only wanted the 6th string tuned down.
This is an interesting tool and maybe it works for the songs you need, but for classical guitar songs where printed scores are generally available, I would rather just buy those from some reputable publisher (e.g. Zen-On or Doremi).
It has happened quite a few times where I compare tabs in youtube videos with printed scores, and the youtube version turned out to be unique arrangements. It's the same with PDFs on certain sites, especially those that accept user contributed content.
I would rather pay money to get printed scores than to find out later that I have been practicing the wrong thing.
Brings me back to learning guitar using a version of TabIt[1] that I hacked and then ultimately paid for. They had an incredible community where people uploaded tabs of your favorite songs. Then you could use TabIt to learn how to play.
Claude vision seems like a massively overpriced VLM choice given Gemini has great VLM tower since 2.4 and my gut feeling is this is a task that local Qwen’s would handle easily.
Disclaimer: my daily workflows include millions of Claude and Gemini tokens spent on dev and video vision intelligence.
This was what I had available, but adding support for other models/providers should be trivial. Adding support for local models is probably a bit harder and I don't have any experience with it. I doubt anything good enough will run on my macbook m1 though.
kiaansaraiya | 13 hours ago
[OP] neogenix | 12 hours ago
rc5150 | 11 hours ago
sublinear | 11 hours ago
If I had spent my first year learning the instrument properly, I wouldn't have wasted the next decade after that fumbling around so much.
RyanOD | 11 hours ago
I can't imagine getting started with any instrument as an adult. Actually, I'm trying to improve my piano playing right now and it's nearly impossible.
[OP] neogenix | 3 hours ago
adrianh | 13 hours ago
Kudos from one of the Soundslice guys — we've been making web-based tab and sheet music stuff since 2012. :)
[OP] neogenix | 12 hours ago
dboreham | 5 hours ago
Heck I'm going to say it: tabs actually aren't the medium you want anyway. After getting up and running on guitar, players know what all the chords look like so only need the names with perhaps the fret position as a guide to the voicing.
mschulkind | 11 hours ago
adrianh | 11 hours ago
devin | 11 hours ago
mschulkind | 8 hours ago
That said, it's the fastest way to get a track into some player, define loop points easily, and then write down what I need to along with the player. I can jot down chords, lyrics, tabs of riffs, etc. I've tried tons of solutions over the years like sooperlooper, ableton live, reaper, winamp, youtube. this is by far the easiest, with just the right set of tools. It also doesn't do any of it automatically, so there's not even a temptation to skip practicing my ear.
adrianh | an hour ago
So as you play the audio (with slowdown, looping, etc.), you can immediately write down what you figured out, and that written notation stays synced with the original recording. This workflow for transcription is fantastic, because otherwise you're juggling multiple apps (audio playback/slowdown, plus notation software).
Since you asked about MuseScore: MuseScore is purely scoring software, without the ability to sync with real audio. You can also use Soundslice as a pure sheet music editor; the main difference is it's web-based as opposed to being a desktop app like MuseScore. Soundslice also has the philosophy that the music might always be displayed on different devices, so it's engraved on the fly depending on your screen dimensions. (MuseScore sort of assumes the end result will be a fixed-dimension such as paper.)
worldsavior | 12 hours ago
[OP] neogenix | 12 hours ago
bonoboTP | 6 hours ago
Diogenesian | 12 hours ago
I don't think your software is (or should be) illegal. But it's a form of theft, and incredibly unethical. These people worked very hard on these tabs and don't make much money. You (and kiaansaraiya and neogenix) should be ashamed of yourselves. You don't deserve your guitar if you steal tabs from working musicians.
breaker-kind | 12 hours ago
Diogenesian | 12 hours ago
almostjazz | 11 hours ago
https://www.thatgreatcomposer.com/blog/is-it-legal-to-transc...
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/96352/dual-question-...
https://www.drumforum.org/threads/what-is-the-legal-basis-fo...
akramachamarei | 11 hours ago
Inevitably the transcriber makes decisions in how to deviate from the reference recording, be it omission of instruments, microchanges in tempo and pitch or articulation. In theory a good transcription is an exact graphical representation of the abstract sonic intent of the artist.
Of course, if you are combining voices, changing chords, it approaches an arrangement which is a more creative endeavor.
dahart | 9 hours ago
Not under US Copyright Law, it isn’t. Transcribing is derivative, not transformative.
BTW, if it was transformative, it’d be fair use and legal, and you’d be contradicting yourself.
shermantanktop | 10 hours ago
In some cases, the composer makes the video, and is sharing their own work.
In other cases, the transcribed part is not a composed part, and the composer who is listed (Lennon/McCartney) did not write or perform it (e.g. Ringo's drums).
In yet other cases, the composer was long dead before the recording was made, and the melody being transcribed is meaningfully different than the one they composed. Common in jazz.
"Composer" is a 19th century idea, enshrined in copyright law in the 1920's in order to protect the people who made sheet music for piano players to play in their parlor. Musical expression deserves attribution and protection, but let's not pretend the name on the liner notes is a Beethoven with a long quill creating a work of genius out of their solo effort.
rc5150 | 11 hours ago
the same "working" musicians who didn't write the music they're making tabs for, didn't get any permission from the original artists, and in many cases aren't actually playing/tabbing the parts as originally written.
A "working" musician is someone who doesn't monetize someone else's work, regardless of how super hard it must be to write a PDF.
I'd say someone should take your guitar away but I'd bet money you're not doing anything groundbreaking with it anyway.
earthnail | 11 hours ago
But if you do find that they made something valuable that you can’t find elsewhere, then you should compensate them for that. Because yes, it is a lot of work.
rc5150 | 8 hours ago
But I know, its easier to just pull up a tab.
altmanaltman | 5 hours ago
garbagepatch | 4 hours ago
dieselgate | 11 hours ago
This is interesting and all but seems to use computer vision rather than audio processing?
simonok | 11 hours ago
dieselgate | 10 hours ago
> the existing tab from the page would be more efficient and precise
But what about songs that aren't made into a YT video?
gcy | 10 hours ago
lokar | 9 hours ago
You need to both work out the chords and also decide on fingerings a human could perform. Seems possible, but more then just audio processing
dboreham | 5 hours ago
rc5150 | 11 hours ago
smalltorch | 11 hours ago
I only need the clean tab and transposing would be nice.
TerminalTabs anyone?
bstsb | 11 hours ago
smalltorch | 10 hours ago
I don't like having to switch to desktop mode to transpose though. They want you to get the app to do it on mobile which is enough of a reason to make a special program to do exactly what I want.
Also, scraping chord charts is in a different catagory from tabs. I can't even actually read tabs but with a chord chart you can get close enough to noodle around and emulate. Good enough for my needs.
thorncorona | 8 hours ago
I think in most cases it is the effort that is the gate. Ex. you can DDOS most public facing services simply by spamming AI.
mrln | 10 hours ago
Here's a working version: https://freetar.sievers.dev
[0] https://github.com/kmille/freetar/pull/90
asdff | 10 hours ago
Here is what I was cribbing from with my own version. Seems they updated it since.
https://github.com/jabbey1/UGDownloader
dboreham | 6 hours ago
XCSme | 11 hours ago
That sounds like it can get quite costly. Probably there are ways to do it without AI, I would rather manually annotate the tab area with a visual editor.
motoxpro | 10 hours ago
XCSme | 10 hours ago
cwt137 | 11 hours ago
[OP] neogenix | 3 hours ago
0: https://youtu.be/WgU5tDGC-Vc?is=zUHp66NVgDZnCNo5
shermantanktop | 10 hours ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=07N4VVSmYLU&list=RD07N4VVSmYLU...
…exactly the way you described. Pause, screenshot, adjust color/contrast, assemble in a pdf. Super annoying.
tzs | 8 hours ago
Why the heck did this largely go away?
shermantanktop | 8 hours ago
bonoboTP | 6 hours ago
adrianh | an hour ago
gste | 10 hours ago
I link to a Patreon in my videos that lets you pay a membership to download the full tabs in PDFs.
Here I was thinking AI might soon replace my painstakingly slow tab transcription efforts altogether. But I never thought about someone just ripping it from the video...
Let me know if it works ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2i-Lwoe2Ow
[OP] neogenix | 2 hours ago
1: https://filebin.net/ylchm28lpbciqc5u
deckar01 | 10 hours ago
tzs | 8 hours ago
Your's looks nicer :-)
Here's the output of mine for a C chord.
and here it is if I toss in the narrow switch: Here's the source [1], minimally updated to compile with current C compilers and to not depend on any quirks of the runtime of whatever C development system I was using on my Mac back then (Megamax C, I think).I was pretty shaky on chord theory back then so not sure I'd trust it for fancy chords. I have no idea why the heck I made the D tuning flag tune both the 1st and 6th strings down to D. I'm 100% certain every piece of sheet music I had that called for for D tuning only wanted the 6th string tuned down.
[1] https://pastebin.com/HKyKWHip
blaufast | 10 hours ago
omoikane | 8 hours ago
It has happened quite a few times where I compare tabs in youtube videos with printed scores, and the youtube version turned out to be unique arrangements. It's the same with PDFs on certain sites, especially those that accept user contributed content.
I would rather pay money to get printed scores than to find out later that I have been practicing the wrong thing.
nickstinemates | 6 hours ago
1: https://www.tabit.net/
readme | 6 hours ago
ai can't shred
ai will never get chicks
i will use YouTube Guitar Tab Parser to shred and get chicks
larodi | 2 hours ago
Disclaimer: my daily workflows include millions of Claude and Gemini tokens spent on dev and video vision intelligence.
[OP] neogenix | an hour ago