Right. That’s what I’m saying. You can make a joke about it but if a hurricane comes through with 60 foot storm surge and kills thousands it won’t be as funny.
Since we're all aware of it happening, the human tragedy part is still preventable. Sadly, too many people will want to contradict the elements and remain in their beach house.
Preventable being a complicated term in this scenario. The only way to save those lives is for a huge amount of people to permanently leave FL. Most people can’t afford that.
Or block out the sun and actively cool the planet.
Needlessly crass and numbly black and white. There are normal people in FL too, both good people there because that’s where they are from or where their job is, as well as basic people who don’t have a solid acceptance / understanding of climate change.
Portraying the whole state as RNC devious plotters, and implying they deserve to not be saved tens of millions of people including children, just show you as someone who is spends too much time online and lacking the kind of empathy you’re mad “they” don’t have.
Florida's impending vulnerability to coastal flooding due to rising ocean levels and hurricane impacts can be attributed, in part, to the unwillingness of Florida voters to support mitigation measures financially. The resistance to funding these initiatives may stem from concerns over personal budgets, lack of awareness about the severity of the issue, or simply a belief that the federal government should bear the burden. Whatever the reason, this reluctance to invest in coastal protection could ultimately spell disaster for Florida as it faces a future increasingly characterized by flooding and climate-related hazards.
It might be the necessary evil for everyone to take climate change with a sense of urgency. Sadly I’ve thought this before. Imagine the speed that Americans would act if it’s NYC that gets devastated. Americans can really pull together when necessary but seem to need a swift kick in the ass to get serious.
Highest recorded are estimated to have been 42 feet. I intentionally suggested a higher one that we haven't seen before because of the potential of climate change and the sea levels that have been rising for the past 130 years since that record was made.
Sure. Right up until they say reducing greenhouse gas emissions will require everyone to sacrifice some of the luxuries that an oil based economy affords.
reminder that individual carbon footprints are propaganda created by the oil industry, please stop perpetuating propaganda.
there are alternatives for everything good about oil, it's just that they've been squashed for a century by the people who would make less money if they were properly funded and utilized.
If you are looking at a single person's consumption, sure. But the combined effect of hundreds of millions or billions of people dramatically cutting emissions and other forms of wasteful consumerism is quite significant. Also, a large part of industrial emissions is from producing things for consumers, so millions of people changing their consumption habits reduces industrial emissions as well.
Like yes everyone reducing a bit will make a significant impact, but the corporations do make huge amounts of waste. I used to work at an egg packaging facility and let me tell you the amount of plastic thrown away per pallet of egg products was jaw dropping for me, way more waste than the consumer ever interacts with.
The worst was the peeled hard boiled eggs. They'd be packaged by the dozen by a machine into plastic bags, we'd take those plastic bags and put 10 into a box, tape it shut. We'd put somewhere between 80-100 boxes on a pallet and wrapped it for transport with plastic wrap. Only the little bags of a dozen eggs would be sold to consumers, so their control over waste is vastly less than the company's.
This experience really shook me. I take reduce and reuse more seriously than recycle, but it really made me feel like there's nothing that I can actually do but watch as the world burns, cuz for every m² of co2 I save theres billions of m² of co2 I can do nothing about.
it's not the individual's or the industry's fault. it's capitalism's fault. You can't blame people for following their nature.
Imagine two people start a business offering the same products; one does it cheaper but cuts corners and pollutes, and one is more expensive but 100% sustainable, the sustainable one will be priced out EVERY time.
It's not just about carbon footprint stuff. Fast fashion has overwhelmed our culture, and that's societal; cheap and abundant clothing made of plastic is, in some ways, a luxury, but it's one we shouldn't have. We don't need to go back to the era of two sets of work clothes and your Sunday best, but we should let go of constant consumption of clothing.
Of course, things like that will need to happen through regulation and intervention, not just personal choice.
Of course. Personal choice is by and large irrelevant in this discussion because the majority of people will only ever choose between the options presented to them, even to their own active detriment (as seen in this thread)
Or as George Carlin put it, "think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
Any solution has to factor in that the vast majority of people just do not give a shit about anything bigger picture than their own immediate well-being. Not even their own well-being more than a few years from now.
Not really actually. Doing your individual part makes a big difference because what we need is a culture shift and a bit of care instead of wallowing that no one will do anything. If people care enough to make difference in their life for the environment, they’ll care enough to vote accordingly. How you treat others and how you treat the planet have ripple effects. Yeah it takes more than one person to create change but as Mr Rogers always says, “look for the helpers” like the ocean cleanup crew and the countless people cleaning other waterways. Even taking garbage out of a stream while you’re on a walk can make the stream flow better and give a better life for animals and the forest. Telling people not to do their part is absolutely not the right thing to do here.
While all this is true, please understand, the game is lost. Biosphere collapse will not be prevented. To many tipping points triggered with faster than expected exponential growth.
This isn’t true. There is no alternative to the oil boom life of luxury. There aren’t enough precious metals to make the required batteries and parts feasible for an entire world powered by current green energy abilities. Carbon capture is entirely unfeasible at scale, so there’s no turning back the clock either. The science doesn’t exist to work around any of that yet and consequences are already here. If an alternative shall appear, it better hurry up.
We are all in for a rude awakening. If we plan ahead, work together, and everyone enjoying a life of extreme luxury and waste instead voluntarily eats less meat, uses less water, uses less fossil fuels in all aspects, and just overall lives more frugal and sustainable lives like every single other generation before us, maybe we’d be resilient enough to ride out a very unfun time.
Instead, we’ll ride the luxury train straight off the cliff because if only some of us do it (and some of us do) it makes no difference. The system at large is unchanged and that IS because of the choices of millions of individuals. Their demand is being supplied, and they’re believing that they, personally, don’t have to do anything about that cycle.
Edit: downvoters please link me a source that claims current technology can replace what fossil fuels provide us. You may be surprised by what you find. It’s all hopes and dreams, the capability does not yet exist.
just as closed-minded as any boomer. The reason alternatives to oil aren't fully realized right this instant is because of the oil industry, you realize that right? that's sort of the problem. The bigger the industry, the more people there are with a vested interest in alternatives never seeing the light of day.
If there was a way to make products cheaper than the oil industry then we'd use those products instead.
No one is going to spend more to develop a product just to be priced out and lose money. That goes against the foundation of capitalism. The only cure is government regulation, but murica is all about freedum
...am i misunderstanding your argument, or are you seriously out here defending climate change because it would be more expensive to make things in a way that doesn't kill everyone over the course of the next couple hundred years?!
You said “there are alternatives to everything good about oil” and that is patently false. I don’t see how acknowledging that absolute fact makes me close minded but okay. We can talk about why alternatives don’t exist but the bottom line is they don’t exist today. They are not yet coming to save us. So if we can’t replace the (environmentally costly) luxury many of us enjoy, what should we do? Voluntarily opt out of as much of it as we can. I feel that is the only currently realistic option on earth
It's not that simple, our entire civilization is built upon a foundation of continual upwards growth, and it's expressed via consumerism in average people. The top doesn't want to stop because they'll lose profits. It seems unfixable, but idk.
I know it's not a possibility for everyone, but I'm starting to look into moving for climate reasons. Climate change isn't something intangible anymore. It's here, it's causing havoc, and it will not relent.
The problem with that is there really won’t be a safe area. Every region will have its own troubles. If it’s not Cat 6-7 hurricanes it’ll be F6-7 tornados, and if it’s not super tornados then it’ll be extreme drought or flooding.
We’re getting tornados where I live and that was never a thing. Spent almost fifty years in the area and didn’t see a single tornado until maybe three years ago. We’re not even set up for tornados. There’s no where for us to go. We don’t have basements in southern Louisiana.
F3s rolling through New Orleans isn’t normal. Maybe it is in northern Louisiana, but not for southern Louisiana. Except when a hurricane spits them out.
Interior Northeast is best place in US. No hurricanes. No torandos. No blizzards anymore. No droughts, no fire seasons. Every winter is more mild then the last. Invasive plants and animals are the only concern.
I'm trapped, I can't afford to move. I came here to be close to family. Said family is not worth being close to. Assuming that I have not already considered the great many ways to get money and leave is a fools journey. I'm stuck for now unless someone has more dollars than sense and has an urgent need to unload some...
Last summers drought was extraordinarily bad here, BUT it kept the tropical systems down. Let's hope for another drought this summer. By then, I should easily be able to get out. I hope the rest of you on the gulf coast can get out too. Far too many seriously minimize the danger and have far too short of a memory.
I'm on the upper texas gulf coast. We narrowly dodged Hurricane Laura, who eliminated Cameron Parish as a result. The pendulum is going to swing back. I don't want to be here for that.
What kind of job/career do you have?
There are fairly cheep places to live outside of hurricane zones that aren't too expensive if you're willing to exchange some comforts you're used to.
I was in construction/ manufacturing/ maintenance but my body hurts too much to continue that. I'm in sales now. I just have no cash now to do anything. We are still trying to recover from the pandemic. We lost damn near everything and have yet to even get back to where we were prior. Therin lies the problem... that non family of mine...
My town was absolutely obliterated by hurricane Laura. It looked like a warzone afterwards, and you can still see buildings with damage today. I really don't want to go through that again so soon.
If the sea levels continue to rise at the current rate, Miami is predicted to be underwater with the tallest building sticking out above sea level by 2050.
Miami is currently 6ft BELOW sea level. With a projected sea level rise of 14feet being the current estimate. Yes, Miami WILL be under water and sticking out of it by 2050. Do a little research. You Floridians are so ignorant that it’s appalling.
Oh you don’t like facts is that it? Sorry I was right and you two are anal about a few feet of water. Sounds like you’re a little slow in comprehension.
Nope you’re proving my point. Thanks for crying about a few feet when I was right all along and your facts are supporting it. Sorry I was wrong about 12 feet of elevation, but my original comment was correct that Miami WILL BE under water 60% of it too. Thanks for making my point stronger. Keep downvoting the truth, you idiots are beyond easy to prove wrong.
It’ll be 60% submerged. I guess you can’t read and don’t understand images do you? I sent you a photo showing satellite imagery predicting the sea level rise which is submerging 60% of Miami. Try reading idiot.
No, I live too far west up against the Foothills for tornadoes to be a thing at all. I don't even get very large hail. I actually live close enough to the Foothills that I can't see the mountains unless I travel east. I'm not in the plains
Wild. One of the main reasons we left Colorado was because of the extreme weather events. I’m a firm believer that anyone west of the rain shadow is going to have a rough couple of decades.
Just a few years ago Colorado had the largest wildfire in its history, the Cameron Peak fire. Where I live in Fort Collins was directly in its path however it never made it here because there was a giant Reservoir between us and the wildlands.
FEMA, already pays out for floods, including in Florida
Insurance rates have increased by 200%-300% for many people in the last 3 years and have become more restrictive in who they’ll insure - roofs being a huge consideration on insurability, Citizen’s a state subsidized insurance company that is relatively less is set remove 280,000 thousand policies, further increase financial strain on Floridians
Oceans are warming a factor for increasing hurricane strength
There is no long term plan in place
11 other home owners’ insurance companies have hedge their bets and have already stopped coverage in Florida
home inspector and do inspection for insurance policies - my clients tell me about their woes daily, and I talk to insurance agents regularly
Didn’t SoCal get a small hurricane this past year? I wonder if this will become a much more common event that leads to them to getting more regular rainfall in the future. That whole region needs it. Can you imagine Palm Springs over to Las Vegas being awash in vegetation?
To think that these idiot texas secessionists would actually expect texas... the independent country of, to survive and actually recover from a modern Cat 5 or the suggested Cat 6!!! That's just batshit insane.
I certainly hope this hurricane season is the worst one ever and Florida is hit multiple times with extremely destructive storms. Maybe then people will think about who they are electing there and what ignoring climate science means.
The sames that due to the social pyramid, represent the largest voting block?
Which in turn consistently reelects climate deniers that directly and indirectly shape laws and allow the status quo to go on.
Might sound cute and all, but we all have fault. The fact that the poor vote just as shitty as others (while not even profiting from it) presents some burden on them.
The worse climate crime we can commit currently.. especially in developed countries is to reproduce. The planet cannot provide resources to all of us as the system is set up.
You can't blame the poorest people for being ignorant. They are lied to, manipulated, undereducated, and abused by the wealthy all their lives. Place the blame where it belongs.
Cool. Just replaced my business roof about two years ago. Signed off on it about 6 months ago. Land-owner owned insurance business, I’m coming baaaack ..
They did because last year was about 0.2 degrees warmer then the last record, and this year looks to be about 0.2 degrees warmer then last year. Hopefully hurricane prone areas get lucky again but it is even less likely that they get lucky then last year.
Kent955 | 2 years ago
Maybe I can live to see a category 7 hurricane
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
With a bit of luck Florida will be washed away.
BearerOfCurseSpyte | 2 years ago
Maragobyebye!
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
THERE'S that silver lining I was looking for, lmao!!!
sorehamstring | 2 years ago
Funny till it happens
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
It will happen eventually, most of Florida is bound to get flooded with the rising ocean levels.
sorehamstring | 2 years ago
Right. That’s what I’m saying. You can make a joke about it but if a hurricane comes through with 60 foot storm surge and kills thousands it won’t be as funny.
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
It will happen and it will be a very preventable tragedy.
time_again | 2 years ago
I’m pretty sure that with enough thoughts and prayers we can prevent this from happening.
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
Blame LGBTQ people.
Oh, wait... they already do.
sorehamstring | 2 years ago
You think is IS very preventable or WAS very preventable?
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
Since we're all aware of it happening, the human tragedy part is still preventable. Sadly, too many people will want to contradict the elements and remain in their beach house.
THIS_IS_SO_HILARIOUS | 2 years ago
I mean, we have the capacity to rescue people from the state of Florida, but they rather die to the hurricane than move out.
sunplaysbass | 2 years ago
Preventable being a complicated term in this scenario. The only way to save those lives is for a huge amount of people to permanently leave FL. Most people can’t afford that.
Or block out the sun and actively cool the planet.
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
> The only way to save those lives is for a huge amount of people to permanently leave FL. Most people can’t afford that.
The same people who wouldn't want to pay more tax in order to mitigate the effects of climate change before it's an emergency.
sunplaysbass | 2 years ago
Needlessly crass and numbly black and white. There are normal people in FL too, both good people there because that’s where they are from or where their job is, as well as basic people who don’t have a solid acceptance / understanding of climate change.
Portraying the whole state as RNC devious plotters, and implying they deserve to not be saved tens of millions of people including children, just show you as someone who is spends too much time online and lacking the kind of empathy you’re mad “they” don’t have.
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
Florida's impending vulnerability to coastal flooding due to rising ocean levels and hurricane impacts can be attributed, in part, to the unwillingness of Florida voters to support mitigation measures financially. The resistance to funding these initiatives may stem from concerns over personal budgets, lack of awareness about the severity of the issue, or simply a belief that the federal government should bear the burden. Whatever the reason, this reluctance to invest in coastal protection could ultimately spell disaster for Florida as it faces a future increasingly characterized by flooding and climate-related hazards.
AlienNippleRipple | 2 years ago
I don't want to live on this planet anymore
4x4is16Legs | 2 years ago
It might be the necessary evil for everyone to take climate change with a sense of urgency. Sadly I’ve thought this before. Imagine the speed that Americans would act if it’s NYC that gets devastated. Americans can really pull together when necessary but seem to need a swift kick in the ass to get serious.
AlienNippleRipple | 2 years ago
Right, this isn't even funny rhetoric. Just clowns that hate orange man. I wish NY would get this shit so they would stop moving to FL.
Bobby_Bouch | 2 years ago
60 foot storm surge is like the day after tomorrow
sorehamstring | 2 years ago
Highest recorded are estimated to have been 42 feet. I intentionally suggested a higher one that we haven't seen before because of the potential of climate change and the sea levels that have been rising for the past 130 years since that record was made.
BuffaloOk7264 | 2 years ago
Highest recorded in Florida?
sorehamstring | 2 years ago
No, on earth. Highest (or one of the highest) in US was Katrina in Mississippi at ~28 feet.
ImProbablySleepin | 2 years ago
I don’t wanna die like that, thank you very much
Electrical-Risk445 | 2 years ago
Move to higher grounds bub ;)
its_raining_scotch | 2 years ago
For every bad floridaman there’s a good floridaman out there too though.
rathat | 2 years ago
Good thing we a have record of it as GTA6
AlienNippleRipple | 2 years ago
We truly have become Idiocracy.
phil-davis | 2 years ago
Oh, we're gonna start listening to scientists now?
Coachbalrog | 2 years ago
Not just yet
Mistersinister1 | 2 years ago
Wait till it's huge catastrophe, thousands dead, billions in damage and then blame scientists for not warning them adequately.
Nosbod_ | 2 years ago
I’ve seen this movie
SSTX9 | 2 years ago
But wait, there's more!
SmoothOperator89 | 2 years ago
Sure. Right up until they say reducing greenhouse gas emissions will require everyone to sacrifice some of the luxuries that an oil based economy affords.
milo159 | 2 years ago
reminder that individual carbon footprints are propaganda created by the oil industry, please stop perpetuating propaganda.
there are alternatives for everything good about oil, it's just that they've been squashed for a century by the people who would make less money if they were properly funded and utilized.
Secure-Technology-78 | 2 years ago
If you are looking at a single person's consumption, sure. But the combined effect of hundreds of millions or billions of people dramatically cutting emissions and other forms of wasteful consumerism is quite significant. Also, a large part of industrial emissions is from producing things for consumers, so millions of people changing their consumption habits reduces industrial emissions as well.
Secure-Technology-78 | 2 years ago
What is actually industry propaganda is telling people that they can just keep living wasteful consumerist lives and that it has no impact
Twisted_Cabbage | 2 years ago
Dont forget green washing. All capitalism is to blame as well.
stuugie | 2 years ago
Like yes everyone reducing a bit will make a significant impact, but the corporations do make huge amounts of waste. I used to work at an egg packaging facility and let me tell you the amount of plastic thrown away per pallet of egg products was jaw dropping for me, way more waste than the consumer ever interacts with.
The worst was the peeled hard boiled eggs. They'd be packaged by the dozen by a machine into plastic bags, we'd take those plastic bags and put 10 into a box, tape it shut. We'd put somewhere between 80-100 boxes on a pallet and wrapped it for transport with plastic wrap. Only the little bags of a dozen eggs would be sold to consumers, so their control over waste is vastly less than the company's.
This experience really shook me. I take reduce and reuse more seriously than recycle, but it really made me feel like there's nothing that I can actually do but watch as the world burns, cuz for every m² of co2 I save theres billions of m² of co2 I can do nothing about.
4dseeall | 2 years ago
it's not the individual's or the industry's fault. it's capitalism's fault. You can't blame people for following their nature.
Imagine two people start a business offering the same products; one does it cheaper but cuts corners and pollutes, and one is more expensive but 100% sustainable, the sustainable one will be priced out EVERY time.
InfinitelyThirsting | 2 years ago
It's not just about carbon footprint stuff. Fast fashion has overwhelmed our culture, and that's societal; cheap and abundant clothing made of plastic is, in some ways, a luxury, but it's one we shouldn't have. We don't need to go back to the era of two sets of work clothes and your Sunday best, but we should let go of constant consumption of clothing.
Of course, things like that will need to happen through regulation and intervention, not just personal choice.
milo159 | 2 years ago
Of course. Personal choice is by and large irrelevant in this discussion because the majority of people will only ever choose between the options presented to them, even to their own active detriment (as seen in this thread)
Or as George Carlin put it, "think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
Any solution has to factor in that the vast majority of people just do not give a shit about anything bigger picture than their own immediate well-being. Not even their own well-being more than a few years from now.
sunflowermoonriver | 2 years ago
Not really actually. Doing your individual part makes a big difference because what we need is a culture shift and a bit of care instead of wallowing that no one will do anything. If people care enough to make difference in their life for the environment, they’ll care enough to vote accordingly. How you treat others and how you treat the planet have ripple effects. Yeah it takes more than one person to create change but as Mr Rogers always says, “look for the helpers” like the ocean cleanup crew and the countless people cleaning other waterways. Even taking garbage out of a stream while you’re on a walk can make the stream flow better and give a better life for animals and the forest. Telling people not to do their part is absolutely not the right thing to do here.
Twisted_Cabbage | 2 years ago
While all this is true, please understand, the game is lost. Biosphere collapse will not be prevented. To many tipping points triggered with faster than expected exponential growth.
polchiki | 2 years ago
This isn’t true. There is no alternative to the oil boom life of luxury. There aren’t enough precious metals to make the required batteries and parts feasible for an entire world powered by current green energy abilities. Carbon capture is entirely unfeasible at scale, so there’s no turning back the clock either. The science doesn’t exist to work around any of that yet and consequences are already here. If an alternative shall appear, it better hurry up.
We are all in for a rude awakening. If we plan ahead, work together, and everyone enjoying a life of extreme luxury and waste instead voluntarily eats less meat, uses less water, uses less fossil fuels in all aspects, and just overall lives more frugal and sustainable lives like every single other generation before us, maybe we’d be resilient enough to ride out a very unfun time.
Instead, we’ll ride the luxury train straight off the cliff because if only some of us do it (and some of us do) it makes no difference. The system at large is unchanged and that IS because of the choices of millions of individuals. Their demand is being supplied, and they’re believing that they, personally, don’t have to do anything about that cycle.
Edit: downvoters please link me a source that claims current technology can replace what fossil fuels provide us. You may be surprised by what you find. It’s all hopes and dreams, the capability does not yet exist.
4dseeall | 2 years ago
The fact that your post is so controversial when all you did was say how it is just goes to show how fucked we are.
milo159 | 2 years ago
Okay boomer.
polchiki | 2 years ago
Off by a letter, I’m a millennial doomer.
milo159 | 2 years ago
just as closed-minded as any boomer. The reason alternatives to oil aren't fully realized right this instant is because of the oil industry, you realize that right? that's sort of the problem. The bigger the industry, the more people there are with a vested interest in alternatives never seeing the light of day.
4dseeall | 2 years ago
If there was a way to make products cheaper than the oil industry then we'd use those products instead.
No one is going to spend more to develop a product just to be priced out and lose money. That goes against the foundation of capitalism. The only cure is government regulation, but murica is all about freedum
milo159 | 2 years ago
...am i misunderstanding your argument, or are you seriously out here defending climate change because it would be more expensive to make things in a way that doesn't kill everyone over the course of the next couple hundred years?!
4dseeall | 2 years ago
I'm not defending shit, I'm telling you how it is.
polchiki | 2 years ago
You said “there are alternatives to everything good about oil” and that is patently false. I don’t see how acknowledging that absolute fact makes me close minded but okay. We can talk about why alternatives don’t exist but the bottom line is they don’t exist today. They are not yet coming to save us. So if we can’t replace the (environmentally costly) luxury many of us enjoy, what should we do? Voluntarily opt out of as much of it as we can. I feel that is the only currently realistic option on earth
gepinniw | 2 years ago
“Luxuries” like car-dependent societies that ruin our health, wreck our cities, and deplete our savings accounts.
stuugie | 2 years ago
It's not that simple, our entire civilization is built upon a foundation of continual upwards growth, and it's expressed via consumerism in average people. The top doesn't want to stop because they'll lose profits. It seems unfixable, but idk.
VelkaFrey | 2 years ago
*hydrocarbons. And it's not going anywhere lol
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
Living far too close to the gulf, this really worries me.
red-broccoli | 2 years ago
I know it's not a possibility for everyone, but I'm starting to look into moving for climate reasons. Climate change isn't something intangible anymore. It's here, it's causing havoc, and it will not relent.
Edit: moving
Sharticus123 | 2 years ago
The problem with that is there really won’t be a safe area. Every region will have its own troubles. If it’s not Cat 6-7 hurricanes it’ll be F6-7 tornados, and if it’s not super tornados then it’ll be extreme drought or flooding.
is-a-bunny | 2 years ago
Yeah where I am we no longer have summer. It's just fire season.
Sharticus123 | 2 years ago
We’re getting tornados where I live and that was never a thing. Spent almost fifty years in the area and didn’t see a single tornado until maybe three years ago. We’re not even set up for tornados. There’s no where for us to go. We don’t have basements in southern Louisiana.
Soulegion | 2 years ago
Its fine, the hurricanes will kill us before it matters /s
PenguinSunday | 2 years ago
Tornados aren't uncommon in Louisiana but I get you. A lot of houses don't have basements in large swathes of Arkansas, either. A lot of houses are also build substandard. The tornado that hit Mayflower and Vilonia, Arkansas was downgraded from an EF5 to an EF4 because it was found that builders used cut nails instead of bolts on the foundations of the houses.
Sharticus123 | 2 years ago
F3s rolling through New Orleans isn’t normal. Maybe it is in northern Louisiana, but not for southern Louisiana. Except when a hurricane spits them out.
PenguinSunday | 2 years ago
That map I linked you shows quite a few EF3s in southern Louisiana. Your experience is not the entirety of the state's.
More_Huckleberry2460 | 2 years ago
Interior Northeast is best place in US. No hurricanes. No torandos. No blizzards anymore. No droughts, no fire seasons. Every winter is more mild then the last. Invasive plants and animals are the only concern.
ByTheHammerOfThor | 2 years ago
Shhhh. Keep it down. And by it, I mean cost of living.
Boomboooom | 2 years ago
Yeah don’t start the mass migration just yet, homie
Clevererer | 2 years ago
> Every region will have its own troubles.
Yes, but some like the Gulf Coast will have bigger troubles more often.
Throw_a_way_Jeep | 2 years ago
Have you considered not living close to the gulf?
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
I'm trapped, I can't afford to move. I came here to be close to family. Said family is not worth being close to. Assuming that I have not already considered the great many ways to get money and leave is a fools journey. I'm stuck for now unless someone has more dollars than sense and has an urgent need to unload some...
Last summers drought was extraordinarily bad here, BUT it kept the tropical systems down. Let's hope for another drought this summer. By then, I should easily be able to get out. I hope the rest of you on the gulf coast can get out too. Far too many seriously minimize the danger and have far too short of a memory.
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
I'm on the upper texas gulf coast. We narrowly dodged Hurricane Laura, who eliminated Cameron Parish as a result. The pendulum is going to swing back. I don't want to be here for that.
Throw_a_way_Jeep | 2 years ago
> I don't want to be here for that.
You don't have to be....
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
I can't afford to leave, anyone care to help fund a move westward?
Throw_a_way_Jeep | 2 years ago
What kind of job/career do you have? There are fairly cheep places to live outside of hurricane zones that aren't too expensive if you're willing to exchange some comforts you're used to.
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
I was in construction/ manufacturing/ maintenance but my body hurts too much to continue that. I'm in sales now. I just have no cash now to do anything. We are still trying to recover from the pandemic. We lost damn near everything and have yet to even get back to where we were prior. Therin lies the problem... that non family of mine...
KaerMorhen | 2 years ago
My town was absolutely obliterated by hurricane Laura. It looked like a warzone afterwards, and you can still see buildings with damage today. I really don't want to go through that again so soon.
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
I'm so sorry for that.
epigenie_986 | 2 years ago
Tallahassee is just as far inland as Homested...
NewSinner_2021 | 2 years ago
Overnight a state will become uninhabitable during the hurricane season is my suspicion.
its_raining_scotch | 2 years ago
Just mutate into mermen. Problem solved.
aeschenkarnos | 2 years ago
Deep Ones. They’re halfway there already, in Florida.
Fidulsk-Oom-Bard | 2 years ago
Not uninhabitable… everyone is just going to have to turn into reptiles
SufficientDaikon3503 | 2 years ago
Hopefully it's just Florida tho
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
If the sea levels continue to rise at the current rate, Miami is predicted to be underwater with the tallest building sticking out above sea level by 2050.
UncleTouchysPlayTime | 2 years ago
Miami has skyscrapers. This is horribly incorrect
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
Miami is currently 6ft BELOW sea level. With a projected sea level rise of 14feet being the current estimate. Yes, Miami WILL be under water and sticking out of it by 2050. Do a little research. You Floridians are so ignorant that it’s appalling.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/will-miami-be-underwater-someday/3119902/?amp=1
UncleTouchysPlayTime | 2 years ago
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
Let’s just make it simple for you then. Miami will be uninhabitable by 2060. Sorry I was off 10 years, I’m not a scientist bud.
Siriusdays | 2 years ago
Then don't drop information that you don't understand? Or didn't read. Seems pretty simple to me, bud.
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
Oh you don’t like facts is that it? Sorry I was right and you two are anal about a few feet of water. Sounds like you’re a little slow in comprehension.
KingZarkon | 2 years ago
So, no, the city won't be under water with the building sticking out. It will see much more frequent flooding due to things like storms though.
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
Furthermore, wiki is in no way reliable so please provide some facts sir.
KingZarkon | 2 years ago
It's pretty reliable with basic facts like that.
>With a population of more than 5.5 million living at an elevation of just 6 feet above sea level...
https://weather.com/science/environment/news/sea-level-rises-miami-doomed-20130625
> The elevation of the area averages at around 6 ft (1.8 m) above sea level in most neighborhoods, especially near the coast.
https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-3qmtj/Miami/
> Miami, Florida is only 6.562 feet above sea level, the equivalent of around two meters.
https://homework.study.com/explanation/how-high-above-sea-level-is-miami.html
Is that sufficient or do you need more?
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
Nope you’re proving my point. Thanks for crying about a few feet when I was right all along and your facts are supporting it. Sorry I was wrong about 12 feet of elevation, but my original comment was correct that Miami WILL BE under water 60% of it too. Thanks for making my point stronger. Keep downvoting the truth, you idiots are beyond easy to prove wrong.
KingZarkon | 2 years ago
So please explain how 14 inches is able to submerge 6 feet? It will be more prone to flooding, it won't be submerged in 25 years.
jacko111222 | 2 years ago
It’ll be 60% submerged. I guess you can’t read and don’t understand images do you? I sent you a photo showing satellite imagery predicting the sea level rise which is submerging 60% of Miami. Try reading idiot.
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 years ago
Just over 7 years ago I moved to the northern Front Range of Colorado. One of the major factors in deciding where we were going to move was climate.
Swoo413 | 2 years ago
Aren’t tornados a big thing there?
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 years ago
No, I live too far west up against the Foothills for tornadoes to be a thing at all. I don't even get very large hail. I actually live close enough to the Foothills that I can't see the mountains unless I travel east. I'm not in the plains
Swoo413 | 2 years ago
Nice that’s awesome
Crawlerado | 2 years ago
Wild. One of the main reasons we left Colorado was because of the extreme weather events. I’m a firm believer that anyone west of the rain shadow is going to have a rough couple of decades.
EthicalBisexual | 2 years ago
How’s it been treating you? Realistically, how’s the fear been related to fires?
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 years ago
Just a few years ago Colorado had the largest wildfire in its history, the Cameron Peak fire. Where I live in Fort Collins was directly in its path however it never made it here because there was a giant Reservoir between us and the wildlands.
DanoPinyon | 2 years ago
The decreasing snowpack, increasing drought and increasing whiplash weather, eh?
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 years ago
It's clear you don't know much about Fort Collins Colorado
DanoPinyon | 2 years ago
It is? How do you know?
ObeseBMI33 | 2 years ago
What were the other contenders?
AlwaysUpvotesScience | 2 years ago
The Pacific Northwest was on my list but the Cascadia subduction zone ruled that out.
Fidulsk-Oom-Bard | 2 years ago
Homeowners insurance is not going to be a thing at some point - we’re close
its_raining_scotch | 2 years ago
Which will make the mechanics of mortgages get….interesting.
Fidulsk-Oom-Bard | 2 years ago
Cash only (wealthy) buyers that don’t need insurance, then the Fed will bail them out after catastrophes
Intelligent_Art_6004 | 2 years ago
Ummm yeah, that is not even close to being accurate in any way, shape, or form.
Fidulsk-Oom-Bard | 2 years ago
You need insurance to finance a home
FEMA, already pays out for floods, including in Florida
Insurance rates have increased by 200%-300% for many people in the last 3 years and have become more restrictive in who they’ll insure - roofs being a huge consideration on insurability, Citizen’s a state subsidized insurance company that is relatively less is set remove 280,000 thousand policies, further increase financial strain on Floridians
Oceans are warming a factor for increasing hurricane strength
There is no long term plan in place
11 other home owners’ insurance companies have hedge their bets and have already stopped coverage in Florida
OpalescentAardvark | 2 years ago
That's all we need, exploding hurricanes!
Unable_Wrongdoer2250 | 2 years ago
Well, Trump did suggest launching nukes into them
Outrageous-Yak-3318 | 2 years ago
Nice knowing ya, Florida : (
hondo9999 | 2 years ago
Didn’t SoCal get a small hurricane this past year? I wonder if this will become a much more common event that leads to them to getting more regular rainfall in the future. That whole region needs it. Can you imagine Palm Springs over to Las Vegas being awash in vegetation?
Queendevildog | 2 years ago
A tweeny one. Dumped a bunch of rain in San Diego and washed out some desert roads.
lostnumber08 | 2 years ago
“Florida man decapitated by alligator suspended in hurricane winds.”
Cattywampus2020 | 2 years ago
From the creators of Sharknado, the swamp bites back with “Hurrigator”
Defiantcaveman | 2 years ago
To think that these idiot texas secessionists would actually expect texas... the independent country of, to survive and actually recover from a modern Cat 5 or the suggested Cat 6!!! That's just batshit insane.
InteriorWaffle | 2 years ago
Record after record-breaking. I am sensing a pattern
Th3L3ftNut | 2 years ago
RemindMe! 5 months
ELeerglob | 2 years ago
Well duh
jeff3141 | 2 years ago
I certainly hope this hurricane season is the worst one ever and Florida is hit multiple times with extremely destructive storms. Maybe then people will think about who they are electing there and what ignoring climate science means.
Balkan-is-inbred | 2 years ago
Good, we deserve it
SpliffDonkey | 2 years ago
Unfortunately, as always, it'll be poor people bearing the brunt of the catastrophic impact, not the ones that truly deserve it..
DildoMcHomie | 2 years ago
The sames that due to the social pyramid, represent the largest voting block?
Which in turn consistently reelects climate deniers that directly and indirectly shape laws and allow the status quo to go on.
Might sound cute and all, but we all have fault. The fact that the poor vote just as shitty as others (while not even profiting from it) presents some burden on them.
The worse climate crime we can commit currently.. especially in developed countries is to reproduce. The planet cannot provide resources to all of us as the system is set up.
SpliffDonkey | 2 years ago
You can't blame the poorest people for being ignorant. They are lied to, manipulated, undereducated, and abused by the wealthy all their lives. Place the blame where it belongs.
Balkan-is-inbred | 2 years ago
Agreed, but we have the power to eliminate those people :)
DantesDame | 2 years ago
Maybe, but I really feel for all of the animals and life that we're taking down with us...
Mediocre_American | 2 years ago
mega hurricanes and wildfires, summer dreaming
ByTheHammerOfThor | 2 years ago
I wonder if the red states in the path of these storms can just deny they exist? That’ll solve the problem.
shortingredditstock | 2 years ago
Surfs up, bro.
shortingredditstock | 2 years ago
I live 6500 feet above sea level. I'm not gonna have to worry about hurricanes hitting my house for at least another 10 years.
Cattywampus2020 | 2 years ago
When there are multiple million climate refugees just within the US over a span of a decade, we will all have to worry.
Nomis1998 | 2 years ago
In other words... water is wet
davidkali | 2 years ago
Cool. Just replaced my business roof about two years ago. Signed off on it about 6 months ago. Land-owner owned insurance business, I’m coming baaaack ..
BirdsbirdsBURDS | 2 years ago
Should really help with reducing the amount of greenhouse gasses we produce; by blowing a few thousand people right off the face of the earth
Krookz_ | 2 years ago
Didnt they say the same thing last year?
Danne660 | 2 years ago
They did because last year was about 0.2 degrees warmer then the last record, and this year looks to be about 0.2 degrees warmer then last year. Hopefully hurricane prone areas get lucky again but it is even less likely that they get lucky then last year.
Freshcuts91 | 2 years ago
Grabs popcorn