More people than you know have no clue about this.
Though there's a caveat. You still need protein if you're not working out, just not as much as when you are. If you don't have enough dietary protein, your body will prioritize more important areas like internal organs and you will lose muscle faster than if you had a protein rich diet. That said, you won't build muscle if you're not stressing those muscles.
A lot of the studies are also focused on optimal protein for muscle gain because it sells supplements vs. the point of diminishing returns which is significantly lower than that.
Unless you're trying to gain or maintain on a massive deficit, the requirements tend to be far more tame.
Exactly, there's heavily diminishing returns and more consistent training, good hydration, low stress, good sleep will all do way more than maximizing protein.
It's one of those things that people "know" superficially but don't quite understand and thus haven't internalized.
That's why people skip the gym, then have a protein shake to make up for it: they treat both exercise and consuming protein as independent and isolated "healthy/fit" actions. And since the latter is easier than the former, it gets used as a substitute.
There's a reason that protein-enriched foods and supplements like creatine are such a booming business, and it isn't that everyone has suddenly taken up bodybuilding.
Nope. I know a lot of people who consume a metric s-ton of protein or down shakes, are obsessed with their protein intake, and think it will somehow passively and magically give them more muscle and whip them into shape.
The lean mass gains weren’t distinguishing between contractile tissue & glycogen/water storage. This is a massive distinction. Test is a wet compound. You gain a LOT of water.
There isn’t any real evidence that non-training users of testosterone gain more contractile tissue then natural lifters actively training. Not saying that’s doesn’t happen (individual response will play a big role), but I’d be hesitant to assume that is true in majority of cases. Especially at moderate super physiological doses like 600mg as tested in the paper.
I think prep compounds like Tren, the Drol brothers are more likely to produce that outcome even untrained, but these aren’t exceedingly common / are typically used by advanced users or careless teenagers. They definitely wouldn’t be worth using without training considering the damage they put the body through
sure, but as long as you have enough protein per kg, you're basically getting some muscle benefit (assuming you're skinny/weak etc), you're effectively just not getting any muscle any time you move something heavy a few times that you otherwise would be getting had you had enough.
better to get your protein needs + and buffer even if oyu're not actively hitting the gym. every time you do sports, jog, etc anything really, that protein comes in handy and can still add up over time.
imagine an anorexic person. is the headline right or wrong?
ok
imagine a person who lifts tons of weights and they eat at maintenance calories.. . . if they add more protein to breakfast they will gain muscle. right?
Yes, but it can curb your sugar & insulin responses to be better, especially when combined with some good fiber in there. Less sugar, in general, is just a better thing, same with combining artificial sugar with regular glucose instead.
But, like yeahhhhh.... I mean some people, sadly, might actually genuinely not get enough protein in their diet thanks to how unhealthy they are being & how many empty calories they consume with sugar that mostly come from sugar.
So, again, sadly in statistics world some will gain muscle because they stopped being as unhealthy in their diet because this happened. Which effectively means, no I mean you are correct but not really completely & it heavily depends on the specifics of the person's involved & their level of garbage eating habits. To that end, some will also have terrible genetics which will cause them to lose muscle from this, & others will literally think this somehow keeps muscle around when doing no work which it can keep it around for longer for some but not everyone & certainly this is the same issue with any & all changes faced in all given food choices & why it should be completely thought of as extremely & extraordinarily important to the point that this scientist should be forcing the government to conform to standards that make everyone get the exact right diet for them to have the most health.
With wiggle room for enjoyment in there. The argument that states this is wrong then states that the addict of unhealthy food is good at controlling themselves & that because they are in the government & regulate it they are fit to do exactly that as the addicts to money, food, & more that they are.
Together with all the given increases of health, happiness, personal productivity, knowledge of how it absolutely helps our healthcare systems, and all given ways over time that improves the function of all things for all of our systems in our entire world. Literally over time progressing it further to help them better perform in any given manners to which food & health are connected to them, which they are always. Even for sleep.
Basically you're saying it's acceptable to harm people by not allowing them to be forced into eating healthy, both the person doing it & all others around them & how all governments & systems perform. Even with this it's a step in a better direction, so shut it title maker & make a title saying better than this otherwise you look like you are in the pockets of the big sugar baddies that use slave labor & obliterate our ecosystems like the Everglades for us to taste a slightly sweeter garbage snack that makes us try & hit someone on the freeway because of road rage existing thanks to the workers being paid little & now not having good water breaks in the heat together with proper food to not screw up the screwed up plans of the road plan that unhealthy engineers decided to make at the lowest cost to appease unhealthy poor eating government people who run their ability to make it & or even put it into place.
Republicans sounds like communists trying to pretend they aren't by forcing onto others their addiction & unhealthy lifestyles with rectoric titles like this.
yeah this reddit headline is not what the article or studies say.
they very much do say that you may want more protein actually. it doesn't measure how much work you are doing. so the headline can't be correct. logically. if you lift heavy its very possible you are not getting enough protein and adding more to your diet will add muscle to your frame and faster.
Will2LiveFading | a day ago
This is common knowlege isn't it?
Sharobob | a day ago
More people than you know have no clue about this.
Though there's a caveat. You still need protein if you're not working out, just not as much as when you are. If you don't have enough dietary protein, your body will prioritize more important areas like internal organs and you will lose muscle faster than if you had a protein rich diet. That said, you won't build muscle if you're not stressing those muscles.
IllegalGeriatricVore | a day ago
A lot of the studies are also focused on optimal protein for muscle gain because it sells supplements vs. the point of diminishing returns which is significantly lower than that.
Unless you're trying to gain or maintain on a massive deficit, the requirements tend to be far more tame.
Proper-Ape | 10 hours ago
Exactly, there's heavily diminishing returns and more consistent training, good hydration, low stress, good sleep will all do way more than maximizing protein.
KingOfEthanopia | 23 hours ago
If youre very active 0.8g per pound is the soft cap.
If youre not 0.8g per kilogram is the soft cap.
All bets are off if youre on steroids.
MentalDisintegrat1on | 2 hours ago
Yeah they say a gram per weight which on My experience is complete BS.
When I did bodybuilding I got maybe 80-100 grams a day and I was walking around at 220 lean ( you mainly need surplus calories )
I think the whole thing came from companies trying to sell more protein powder.
IBeDumbAndSlow | a day ago
Nothing is common knowledge today. Half the population is dumb as shit. 21% of Americans are illiterate.
Impossible_Hat7658 | 22 hours ago
Always remember, people have to be warned not to eat the contents of car batteries
IBeDumbAndSlow | 22 hours ago
Only because they're scared of how powerful it makes you! Everyone that's reading this now the label eat the inside of the cars battery!
Please do not do this.
TouchSure9331 | 9 hours ago
And 52% functionality so, from what I saw the other day. :(
teacher_59 | a day ago
And that number is growing as teachers are forced to promote minority students that can't read.
guebja | a day ago
Not really.
It's one of those things that people "know" superficially but don't quite understand and thus haven't internalized.
That's why people skip the gym, then have a protein shake to make up for it: they treat both exercise and consuming protein as independent and isolated "healthy/fit" actions. And since the latter is easier than the former, it gets used as a substitute.
There's a reason that protein-enriched foods and supplements like creatine are such a booming business, and it isn't that everyone has suddenly taken up bodybuilding.
PM-MEANYTHANG | 23 hours ago
Creatine is the goat training or not
GroundbreakingHope57 | 11 hours ago
Homies the gift that keeps giving. taken by both jocks and nerds alike for completely different reasons.
Substantial_Meal_530 | a day ago
I thought so... You increase your protein intake when you increase your activity...
To be fair I'm in some fitness discords and fitness subreddits. There are so many people who know literally nothing, but think they know a lot.
SureMany9497 | a day ago
Sir we're trying to sell food not give health advice /s
Helldiver_of_Mars | 11 hours ago
I guess this shows the lack of education in our schools cause this should be basic knowledge.
I can't think of any nation where this wouldn't be known by children except the USA and countries with spotty education systems.
VolantTardigrade | 11 hours ago
Nope. I know a lot of people who consume a metric s-ton of protein or down shakes, are obsessed with their protein intake, and think it will somehow passively and magically give them more muscle and whip them into shape.
MentalDisintegrat1on | a day ago
You don't say.
Vanillas_Guy | a day ago
Terrifying that this needs to be said. Its an indictment on the level of funding in public education.
Exercise strains muscle fibers, protein helps the body recover from the strain.
septubyte | a day ago
People still hear 1g per lb or w.e and think - i have to have that regardless
costafilh0 | a day ago
So you're saying I can't gain muscle sitting in the couch all day eating beef?
NO WAY!
EasyYogurtcloset608 | a day ago
Sure you can. Use steroids
RudeCartoonist1030 | 21 hours ago
No, you’d still need to apply a stimulus
meester_jordan | 20 hours ago
Not true.
solidshais | 15 hours ago
Yup there is a study: steroids and no workout grows way more muscle on average than natural regular workout
Select-Bee-2166 | 3 hours ago
That study is misrepresented.
The lean mass gains weren’t distinguishing between contractile tissue & glycogen/water storage. This is a massive distinction. Test is a wet compound. You gain a LOT of water.
There isn’t any real evidence that non-training users of testosterone gain more contractile tissue then natural lifters actively training. Not saying that’s doesn’t happen (individual response will play a big role), but I’d be hesitant to assume that is true in majority of cases. Especially at moderate super physiological doses like 600mg as tested in the paper.
I think prep compounds like Tren, the Drol brothers are more likely to produce that outcome even untrained, but these aren’t exceedingly common / are typically used by advanced users or careless teenagers. They definitely wouldn’t be worth using without training considering the damage they put the body through
EasyYogurtcloset608 | 13 hours ago
You don’t
blazarious | a day ago
Some experts think muscles come from muscle training instead of just protein intake!?
Shocker. Who exactly are the experts who think otherwise?
Alhbaz98 | 21 hours ago
Also the average American gets more than enough protein through diet alone
ZampanoGuy | a day ago
But protein heavy breakfast will keep you feeling fuller, longer. So. You snack less. So you gain less weight.
jack_kellys_hands | 20 hours ago
It does help with masking and snacks more filling tho, which can aid in weight loss
CinderBlock33 | a day ago
Wow, revolutionary insight \s
Icyrow | 21 hours ago
sure, but as long as you have enough protein per kg, you're basically getting some muscle benefit (assuming you're skinny/weak etc), you're effectively just not getting any muscle any time you move something heavy a few times that you otherwise would be getting had you had enough.
better to get your protein needs + and buffer even if oyu're not actively hitting the gym. every time you do sports, jog, etc anything really, that protein comes in handy and can still add up over time.
Schroedesy13 | 18 hours ago
I thought the protein was more for keeping one feeling fuller for longer….
opinionsareus | a day ago
Especially true for seniors, even if they're not working out.
StarskyNHutch862 | a day ago
Ground breaking stuff.
Explicit_Tech | 22 hours ago
Protein builds muscles and repairs them but muscles only grow if they need building and repairing.
SiLeNZ_ | 22 hours ago
Was there anyone who thought otherwise? Like it just magically would appear?
EveryAccount7729 | 13 hours ago
I think otherwise.
The headline at least, is wrong.
imagine an anorexic person. is the headline right or wrong?
ok
imagine a person who lifts tons of weights and they eat at maintenance calories.. . . if they add more protein to breakfast they will gain muscle. right?
So the headline is wrong.
BeastmodeAzn08 | 20 hours ago
Just in, you have to workout to build muscle.
rbobby | 8 hours ago
I've been building my resting muscle mass for years. Nearly perfect. Just another dozen burgers.
tinny66666 | a day ago
On the flip side, many people don't get the recommended daily intake of protein, so a bit of a boost is a good thing for them.
ApprehensiveJuice890 | 23 hours ago
Nah most people have plenty protein, it’s lack of fiber that’s a bigger problem.
Marwaimusoont | 4 hours ago
Maybe in the US. here in India, it is very low outside of those regions which are heavy on dairy.
xenonrealitycolor | 18 hours ago
Yes, but it can curb your sugar & insulin responses to be better, especially when combined with some good fiber in there. Less sugar, in general, is just a better thing, same with combining artificial sugar with regular glucose instead.
But, like yeahhhhh.... I mean some people, sadly, might actually genuinely not get enough protein in their diet thanks to how unhealthy they are being & how many empty calories they consume with sugar that mostly come from sugar.
So, again, sadly in statistics world some will gain muscle because they stopped being as unhealthy in their diet because this happened. Which effectively means, no I mean you are correct but not really completely & it heavily depends on the specifics of the person's involved & their level of garbage eating habits. To that end, some will also have terrible genetics which will cause them to lose muscle from this, & others will literally think this somehow keeps muscle around when doing no work which it can keep it around for longer for some but not everyone & certainly this is the same issue with any & all changes faced in all given food choices & why it should be completely thought of as extremely & extraordinarily important to the point that this scientist should be forcing the government to conform to standards that make everyone get the exact right diet for them to have the most health.
With wiggle room for enjoyment in there. The argument that states this is wrong then states that the addict of unhealthy food is good at controlling themselves & that because they are in the government & regulate it they are fit to do exactly that as the addicts to money, food, & more that they are.
Together with all the given increases of health, happiness, personal productivity, knowledge of how it absolutely helps our healthcare systems, and all given ways over time that improves the function of all things for all of our systems in our entire world. Literally over time progressing it further to help them better perform in any given manners to which food & health are connected to them, which they are always. Even for sleep.
Basically you're saying it's acceptable to harm people by not allowing them to be forced into eating healthy, both the person doing it & all others around them & how all governments & systems perform. Even with this it's a step in a better direction, so shut it title maker & make a title saying better than this otherwise you look like you are in the pockets of the big sugar baddies that use slave labor & obliterate our ecosystems like the Everglades for us to taste a slightly sweeter garbage snack that makes us try & hit someone on the freeway because of road rage existing thanks to the workers being paid little & now not having good water breaks in the heat together with proper food to not screw up the screwed up plans of the road plan that unhealthy engineers decided to make at the lowest cost to appease unhealthy poor eating government people who run their ability to make it & or even put it into place.
Republicans sounds like communists trying to pretend they aren't by forcing onto others their addiction & unhealthy lifestyles with rectoric titles like this.
EveryAccount7729 | 13 hours ago
yeah this reddit headline is not what the article or studies say.
they very much do say that you may want more protein actually. it doesn't measure how much work you are doing. so the headline can't be correct. logically. if you lift heavy its very possible you are not getting enough protein and adding more to your diet will add muscle to your frame and faster.