It’s a weird part of growing up when you realize that any company you do business with can just go bankrupt at any time. There’s truly no such thing as a guarantee.
Right. It’s the fact that no one tells you this that creates the whiplash. Growing up is one big rude awakening of realizing there’s really no stability in anything material.
Of the little research that's been done on if it's even be possible for the bodies to be usable again after being stored like this, the resounding answer was no. Unfreezing them results in a frostbitten, crystalized, mushy mess. Like a banana you dropped behind your fridge and forgot about for a month. Brown, liquified, stinky. You wouldn't even know it was a banana if you didn't have the vague memory of it falling back there a while ago. You don't even need to get to the next step of reviving them, because just the first step (storage) has already failed for these people. They would still not realistically be candidates for revival even if it were possible because their corpses, including brain, will turn to garbage juice upon being unfrozen from the method in which they were stored. Very sad and I wish they had found productive ways to cope with their fear of mortality before their time came and they gave $200,000+ to delusional, greedy tech bros. RIP to them all, while their decision to do this to themselves was unscientific, I respect how much they clearly loved and valued life to hang onto such unrealistic hope.
I want to see a movie where one of them gets unfrozen and their heirs have squandered the family fortune. So now they're completely broke living on the street.
I think the only vaguely feasible way of 'waking them up again' would be to scan the frozen brains and simulate them in a computer, which might conceivably be possible at some point in the future. Although that would neither be the same person, nor the same body.
I mean, one of the methods we have of getting a detailed scan of neural tissue is to freeze it and cut it into microscopic slices. But we've only done that on tiny pieces of insect(?) tissue and are very far off doing it on a human. It probably also requires the sample to be frozen in a specific way.
This was part of the plot of a book I read years ago. But there the guy woke up in a robot centuries later, just to be enslaved by some religious nutjobs. (We are legion, we are bob. Great book)
So, I guess waking up at some unknown time in the future, without your body, in a society that has probably changed beyond recognition, without anyone you knew or loved before, likely being treated as some oddity or scientific experiment, just doesn't sound that great.
Current science suggests that you’d actually need to scan their entire bodies and also have knowledge of the bacterial makeup in places like their gut, since those also impact personality. So just the brain wouldn’t even get close, afaik.
So basically, imagine the tech needed to turn that brown ass mush ass banana back to a 100% fresh banana. Sounds impossible, because it is. Doing so with a human fucking being would be at least 1000x harder, and quite possibly even more stinky.
Feeling pity for them is interesting. I know they died believing they'd come back but I guess i just can't help but get over the fact that no matter how you slice it they're dead so they will never realize their deal failed and they got scammed.
I feel bad for their families, but I'm sure none of them expected the technology to wake up cry sleepers to actually exist in their lifetime.
At the end of the day they're simply interred in ice and I guess that's an interesting way to be buried
I think it’s a last ditch attempt for mortality a huge low probability gamble but I agree the cells will be past it and as for retaining the brain there is no electrical activity so the person is gone anyway with no return.
This is 100% wrong. I’d urge you to read up on it more. TLDR we’ve already successfully frozen and unfrozen kidneys, transplanting them back into pigs.
While I don't disagree that they're not realistically revivable, they are frozen with cryoprotectants, so ice damage is much less of a concern than you think.
Perfectly said. It’s honestly heartbreaking when you think about it. People were so desperate to cheat death that they handed over life-changing amounts of money to companies that couldn’t even keep a banana from rotting. The fear of dying is powerful, but this feels like the ultimate cope.
What if... And I'm just spit balling here... In the future we start scanning the brains of people to be frozen with as-of-yet-unrealised, super amazing technology just before they die and use that as the target variable (Y) with machine learning. I.e here's how the brain and person looks like unfrozen. And use how the brain looks once it's frozen banana mush as the determinant (X) variable. Then we just need the tech to fix the brain, and the banana mush can be moulded back until it replicates what the AI says it should look like. So... Definately not achievable with today's tech. But maybe in a few millennia?
What if… and I’m just spit balling here… my grandma grew balls? Then she’d be my grandpa. But that’s not all because the government would find out and use it as a symbol to nuke Russia cause everyone else to send their nukes with machine learning and AI. Thus resulting in us all dying before this magical technology was even made.
I imagine losing power long enough…….cant imagine anyone considering this is thinking about all the times through their lives their house lost power temporarily?
Sure, if you don't give a shit about giving all your money to shysters instead of doing something useful with it like bequeathing it to charities.
There is zero scientific basis to believe that we can reanimate frozen corpses and many, many reasons to believe that we can't. The process literally destroys cells. Your frozen corpse is little more than a human shaped mound of molecular slush.
You would be just as rational giving your money to a voodoo doctor in the hopes that voodoo magic will one day advance to full resurrection.
it's likely a rather small portion of their money. If you have 1000000000000000000000 money and you spend 1000000 money on this it doesn't much matter if it's a scam. numbers made up
I knew a dude back in the ‘90s who was contracted to get his head frozen. He wasn’t allowed to go on airplanes or go anywhere that would take him more than an hour away from their facility. He was an obligate NYCer who thought it was pointless to ever leave the city, but still, was basically imprisoned by his hopes of immortality.
All these are rich people, if it was possible to bring them back would it be worthwhile, at all. Walt Disney was one of the first, what could he contribute to society 50 years later. I daresay nothing.
The problem with wealth is that you lose it when you die, your next of kin inherit it. Those people frozen were rich in their life, now they are penniless. If you would thaw a billionaire frozen a hundred years ago, you would just get a pauper.
Some of them aren't rich, for example the story of the 14 year old girl mentioned in the article cost the girls parents ~£37,000:
>it has been frozen “in perpetuity” by a commercial company at a cost of £37,000. The girl’s parents are divorced. She had lived with her mother for most of her life and had had no face-to-face contact with her father since 2008.
That's not cheap but it's well within the grasp of most families. It's also woefully insufficient to fund any kind of revival or treatment, so the business is essentially banking on it either never happening (most likely) or it just being done for free in some distant future.
Whilst some of these companies cater to rich cranks the majority are probably better framed as outright scams preying on individuals and families going through what is generally the most traumatic points in their lives.
Most of the people I know didn't go to college or were unable to finish due to the cost. Most of the people I know have a hard time affording a used car, let alone a luxury vehicle- and I know plenty of people who can't afford any car at all and rely on rides or walking. These things might not seem THAT expensive to you, but for many, many people that kind of money is either unobtainable or would financially ruin them if they were able to find ways to get it (loans, etc.).
It's interesting finding people with such vastly different experiences from my own. To describe that much money as well within the grasp of most families just seems bizarre and tone deaf to me. Like, I fell through my deck in January and it still hurts to walk, but just losing that one day that I called out for financially hurt me for weeks...if I broke anything, I'd rather just not know because I can't afford to take time off from work. I can't even imagine looking at the price of a luxury car or college tuition and thinking that it's not THAT expensive.
You're just saying the same dumb thing over and over - next you'll say it's just the cost of a moderately priced Rolex. Yes dummy most people can't afford these things that's what we're trying to tell you.
Which leaves the average american in years of student debt… 37k is about half of yearly gross income for average household which sits at about 70k for dual income family. Affordable? Sure could pull it off but thats a massive debt load for average family on something like this.
It's a one-off payment - that's entirely within reach as 'savings over a period' or 'family takes on debt'. It's simply not a massive amount - sure, more than a lot of people have in cash around the place, but it's not unfathomably large
It absolutely is if you have some unscrupulous company dangling it in front of them as a lifeline for incurable cancer, or to "save" their dying child.
They might need to take out loans, remortgage if they own property, empty their savings or take early drawdowns on a pension if that's an option but if you think that's outside the grasp of most families then median household wealth is probably just a bit higher than you think.
You're projecting. By the time people are old enough for death to be much more likely, most people have accumulated a lot. Here in Canada, the median household wealth is over $500k. For senior families, it's over a million. Just owning a home means you'll have a good amount of wealth available if you downsize, plus you can get lines of credit against your home.
Ty! I wasn't finding it. The US numbers are so sad in comparison but we also spend many thousands a year on health insurance and now tariffs. Don't let the right wing get hold of your country. 😭
Right. Also you would ostensibly be revived in your near death body and then proceed to stay alive in that state.. forever? Sounds miserable (at least in many cases)
Was he a raging anti semite? I think he would enjoy 2026, Israel is doing so much shit and is the biggest contributer to bringing back all that crap about blood drinking and elders of Zion shit, he would have a blast.
And with AI he does need to pay those lazy people to draw his ideas!
Attempts to bring back mice have succeeded but they used a different method than these folk. Kind of scary to imagine being frozen with the wrong technique!
No, there is no inherent value in anything. The universe doesn't care about you, me, your mom,.nobody.
Whatever value life has is not inherent, it comes from those around you and the interactions you have while alive. There is nothing inherent, you just desperately want there to be as a way to cope with an uncaring universe and your inevitable death. It's like religion.
I’m not banking on the universe caring. But if I’m frozen, in the far future, if they could, I’m betting people would find value in thawing me out just to hear my memories and see how I make coffee and shit (literally lol).
I’d agree that people banking on it are just as delulu as the Christians or any other religion. But the way I see it, it isn’t 100% fantasy - people said the same thing about flying 200 years ago - and even if it doesn’t pan out, I’ve not lost anything huge, and also it could provide a glimmer of hope while I’m alive, should I be staring down some sort of terminal illness.
So your only value is your impact on those around you? How utilitarian of you. Damm all the loners, outcasts, and marginalized people better kill themselves quickly then since they have no value. You can use that same logic to argue the opposite point.
The universe is cold and uncaring nothing you have done or will ever do has value or impact outside of a local level. Value and worth are made up constructs, so the only real is what is intrinsic to a thinking, feeling, living being.
I’m with you, I’m an existentialist. Nothing intrinsically means anything, so we have the freedom to decide for ourselves what matters.
To me, the only definitively meaningful action is the action that causes a state change - emotional or otherwise - in another human’s brain. We’re careening towards the heat death of the universe, but if I made you laugh or feel happy, then that makes me happy, and makes me feel fulfilled, and that’s the best we’re gonna do, is that temporary, naive perhaps, sense of fulfillment.
was the /s not evident? the reading comprehension on this site I swear. obviously marginalized people are just as valuable as anyone else, that was my whole point
Idk the universe def cares about me it gave me amazing genes and despite giving minimal effort at literally everything, I still stumble into success at every corner. Whoeever is guiding this ride is in love with me lol
The only thing I found was a rat kidney and that was 2023, any other source? Also help me so 40 years of scam and failure and now about 2 years ago they finally had a small success? Help me, how does that change anything I wrote? How does that change that Cryonics in regards of escaping into the future is a scam?
Don't get me wrong, it would be amazing if we could freeze organs, that would save many lifes but that had nothing to do with that Mambo Jambo.
Cryo, in general, isn’t a scam. It’s a legit science /area of study with very pertinent use cases besides cheating death. Many people are working on freezing and unfreezing organs so as to extend the availability of heart transplants etc.
Biggest issue with cryonics is that you not only have to solve the glaring problem of how to actually safely unfreeze someone, but you also have to, as of now, literally reverse death too.
It's a little known fact that you cannot walk into one of these tubes, you have to be declared brain dead first. So your not storing a really cold person, you are storing a really cold dead body.
This entire line of science is a scam and the mass industry outside of small scale research should be banned. These former people will never be revived and the fact they were misled that it was ever a possiability is a travesty of travesty.
I plan on doing this to myself when the time comes. Hear me out:
The preservation process is farther along currently than most think. We have already frozen an organ and successfully unthawed it (a rabbit kidney, and more recently a pig kidney) and then put it back in the animal and the animal lived.
The freezing process isn’t really freezing, it’s closer to epoxy or “glass”ifying using extremely cold temperatures. We are able to preserve the intricate structure of cells. It’s the unfreezing we really don’t know how to do yet.
But compared to even 15 years ago, the field has gone from “basically impossible” to “plausibly achievable within this century” for organs. Brains are of course tougher.
So… yeah. Is it a long shot? Absolutely. But do I have better odds of beating death than if I were just cremated? You bet. Is it worth the $50 per month? For me, yes. Even in the case where I never get thawed out, I’ve still contributed to science, and honestly I spend more than that per month just having a night out with a few drinks.
I read a bunch of these remains have thawed and refrozen, thanks to power outages, into a huge, mixed mushy-slushy.
Imagine if there was a heaven, and you could never go there, because your soul was stuck with your remains in case they ever got revived - until the sun finally melted Earth.
I watched a documentary on this, and their hypothesis was that they would need nano bots to individually handle every cell (plus all the other crazy stuff you would have to do)
they opened a cryo body storage place in my grandparents incredibly small town, no idea who they’re planning on marketing to. thought i was losing my mind when i first drove past it
They’re only there so that one day a villain (or hero) can cackle maniacally while shutting down their chambers with a conveniently placed lever, ending their hopes for immortality.
ol0pl0x | 12 hours ago
There's also been bankruptcies in "the field". The bodies are just dumped.
Autumn-Leaf-932 | 5 hours ago
It’s a weird part of growing up when you realize that any company you do business with can just go bankrupt at any time. There’s truly no such thing as a guarantee.
ol0pl0x | 5 hours ago
Yep, sometimes we get reminded. Especially when a bank goes under, that's a bit of a wake up.
Autumn-Leaf-932 | 4 hours ago
Right. It’s the fact that no one tells you this that creates the whiplash. Growing up is one big rude awakening of realizing there’s really no stability in anything material.
yoweigh | 3 hours ago
I don't really understand how anyone makes money, anywhere. Every company I've worked for has been a clusterfuck of incompetence and nepotism.
Autumn-Leaf-932 | an hour ago
It sometimes seems like doing a good job is bad for business. Optimal = “do just enough of a decent job that ppl don’t refund”.
weltvonalex | 10 hours ago
After they got thawed and refrozen and Stuck together. Glorious fail 😂
PlzAdptYourPetz | 12 hours ago
Of the little research that's been done on if it's even be possible for the bodies to be usable again after being stored like this, the resounding answer was no. Unfreezing them results in a frostbitten, crystalized, mushy mess. Like a banana you dropped behind your fridge and forgot about for a month. Brown, liquified, stinky. You wouldn't even know it was a banana if you didn't have the vague memory of it falling back there a while ago. You don't even need to get to the next step of reviving them, because just the first step (storage) has already failed for these people. They would still not realistically be candidates for revival even if it were possible because their corpses, including brain, will turn to garbage juice upon being unfrozen from the method in which they were stored. Very sad and I wish they had found productive ways to cope with their fear of mortality before their time came and they gave $200,000+ to delusional, greedy tech bros. RIP to them all, while their decision to do this to themselves was unscientific, I respect how much they clearly loved and valued life to hang onto such unrealistic hope.
Hot-Significance7699 | 12 hours ago
I mean a lot of them are rich. So like I dont think they care all that much. In their eyes its worth a shot.
BreadKnifeSeppuku | 11 hours ago
Well, someone has to go first. Cryopreservation is already steepled in bullshit from start ups doing it
SleepWouldBeNice | 9 hours ago
Also, they were already dead. So what do they have to lose?
laser50 | 9 hours ago
In a weird sense of time, if it did/does work, they'd just be going from asleep back to awake in little more than an instantaneous moment.
But yeah, they still have more chances than the average skeleton.
bokononpreist | 50 minutes ago
I want to see a movie where one of them gets unfrozen and their heirs have squandered the family fortune. So now they're completely broke living on the street.
UngraftedAppleTree | 45 minutes ago
I'd watch this television series.
ByteArrayInputStream | 5 hours ago
I think the only vaguely feasible way of 'waking them up again' would be to scan the frozen brains and simulate them in a computer, which might conceivably be possible at some point in the future. Although that would neither be the same person, nor the same body.
I mean, one of the methods we have of getting a detailed scan of neural tissue is to freeze it and cut it into microscopic slices. But we've only done that on tiny pieces of insect(?) tissue and are very far off doing it on a human. It probably also requires the sample to be frozen in a specific way.
This was part of the plot of a book I read years ago. But there the guy woke up in a robot centuries later, just to be enslaved by some religious nutjobs. (We are legion, we are bob. Great book)
So, I guess waking up at some unknown time in the future, without your body, in a society that has probably changed beyond recognition, without anyone you knew or loved before, likely being treated as some oddity or scientific experiment, just doesn't sound that great.
whimsicism | 3 hours ago
Current science suggests that you’d actually need to scan their entire bodies and also have knowledge of the bacterial makeup in places like their gut, since those also impact personality. So just the brain wouldn’t even get close, afaik.
gerkletoss | 2 hours ago
By this logic you die if you get an organ transplant.
CleverLittleThief | 2 hours ago
Personality change does happen with organ transplants, quite frequently.
gerkletoss | 2 hours ago
And with many medical treatments that qvoid death
With a brain upload we could presumably dial in the metabolic sim
CleverLittleThief | an hour ago
If the moon were made of cheese we could presumably eat it
OhhEmmGeeWTF | 3 hours ago
Combined love is a hell of a drug 💕
Inevitable-Pie9827 | 11 hours ago
So basically, imagine the tech needed to turn that brown ass mush ass banana back to a 100% fresh banana. Sounds impossible, because it is. Doing so with a human fucking being would be at least 1000x harder, and quite possibly even more stinky.
sentinel_of_ether | 8 hours ago
Really hate that you guys keep focusing on the “stinky” part
impreprex | 11 hours ago
Please let’s stop calling them tech BROS.
They are not our bros.
AvatarIII | 11 hours ago
I think it's supposed to be an ironic name
whatThePleb | 11 hours ago
And they have no clue about tech. They are scammers.
MikeHuntSmellss | 11 hours ago
Penis Handshake Gif
PsychologicalTowel79 | 11 hours ago
https://media1.tenor.com/m/BK1v41MrDigAAAAd/handshake-penis.gif
tamponinja | 9 hours ago
Not to mention sexist
Euphoric-Dig-2045 | 6 hours ago
Is Tech BITCHES better?
tamponinja | 6 hours ago
Fine with me lol
slfnflctd | 2 hours ago
I prefer Tech Bastards. Because they use tech to bastardize culture.
peepdabidness | 11 hours ago
Nothing a GLP1 and some NAC can’t tackle 😤
ravens-n-roses | 6 hours ago
Feeling pity for them is interesting. I know they died believing they'd come back but I guess i just can't help but get over the fact that no matter how you slice it they're dead so they will never realize their deal failed and they got scammed.
I feel bad for their families, but I'm sure none of them expected the technology to wake up cry sleepers to actually exist in their lifetime.
At the end of the day they're simply interred in ice and I guess that's an interesting way to be buried
Vampirejesus42 | 10 hours ago
Just frozen heads for future consumption. Rich old people is like dried veal. I'm imaging them like fish heads. The cheeks are best.
weltvonalex | 10 hours ago
But only the ones that still have that cheek fat in it!
QuirkyImage | 9 hours ago
I think it’s a last ditch attempt for mortality a huge low probability gamble but I agree the cells will be past it and as for retaining the brain there is no electrical activity so the person is gone anyway with no return.
gerkletoss | 7 hours ago
Are you familiar with wood frogs?
Thousand_Toasters | 4 hours ago
Well its clearly possible to some degree because there are animals that freeze and unfreeze im nature all the time.
CleverLittleThief | 2 hours ago
They don't die when they freeze, though.
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
This is 100% wrong. I’d urge you to read up on it more. TLDR we’ve already successfully frozen and unfrozen kidneys, transplanting them back into pigs.
Warren_Tarbiat | 6 hours ago
Problem is brains which image a lot more sensitive.
gerkletoss | 2 hours ago
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2077140-mammal-brain-frozen-and-thawed-out-perfectly-for-first-time/
DopplegangsterNation | 3 hours ago
Not the stinky bodies!!!!😭😫🫣🥳😫😩😭
swimming_in_agates | 9 hours ago
Okay but when you freeze bananas they don’t turn brown? These humans were frozen not dropped behind a fridge to rot.
I still think cyro won’t work I just don’t think the analogy makes sense.
RiriaaeleL | 9 hours ago
It doesn't make sense because cryonics doesn't involve freezing so the person doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about
Independent-Leg6061 | 4 hours ago
Do they get frozen before, or after death?
SecretGardenSpider | 2 hours ago
They died with hope at least.
WallStLegends | an hour ago
What if they were freeze dried?? Lol
fluffyp0tat0 | 13 minutes ago
While I don't disagree that they're not realistically revivable, they are frozen with cryoprotectants, so ice damage is much less of a concern than you think.
vanillastarlit | 2 hours ago
Perfectly said. It’s honestly heartbreaking when you think about it. People were so desperate to cheat death that they handed over life-changing amounts of money to companies that couldn’t even keep a banana from rotting. The fear of dying is powerful, but this feels like the ultimate cope.
caracter_2 | 7 hours ago
What if... And I'm just spit balling here... In the future we start scanning the brains of people to be frozen with as-of-yet-unrealised, super amazing technology just before they die and use that as the target variable (Y) with machine learning. I.e here's how the brain and person looks like unfrozen. And use how the brain looks once it's frozen banana mush as the determinant (X) variable. Then we just need the tech to fix the brain, and the banana mush can be moulded back until it replicates what the AI says it should look like. So... Definately not achievable with today's tech. But maybe in a few millennia?
OhhEmmGeeWTF | 3 hours ago
Time cures all wounds
Infinite_Tip_1299 | 2 hours ago
What if… and I’m just spit balling here… my grandma grew balls? Then she’d be my grandpa. But that’s not all because the government would find out and use it as a symbol to nuke Russia cause everyone else to send their nukes with machine learning and AI. Thus resulting in us all dying before this magical technology was even made.
windsynth | 10 hours ago
Air fryer at 425 for 20 minutes
AussiePete | 9 hours ago
Season to taste.
PTR95 | 8 hours ago
Do we flip?
Electrical-Risk445 | 7 hours ago
Spray olive oil.
SonicchuShinPunch | 5 hours ago
How can they flip?
Glum_Target2860 | 3 hours ago
No flipping. Use a rotisserie. It's more even that way.
jordanundead | 4 hours ago
No, you put them in the one with the tumbler built into it.
Autumn-Leaf-932 | 5 hours ago
This redditor finally cracked it
HealthyBits | 9 hours ago
Didn’t one facility got an issue and all the bodies unfroze and turn to mush?
Haunting_History_284 | 4 hours ago
I imagine losing power long enough…….cant imagine anyone considering this is thinking about all the times through their lives their house lost power temporarily?
Dogah | 24 minutes ago
Yes, in 1979 (the Chatsworth incident). That was over 45 years ago. The problem has since been solved.
Disastrous_Ad_6024 | 11 hours ago
In other words, we have a bunch of frozen corpses
OhhEmmGeeWTF | 3 hours ago
Understood. How long do you think those corpses will last? Is it better you think to recycle and try again? You may know more than me.
LookOverall | 12 hours ago
One coroner described it as a rational gamble. It may indeed be impossible, but you’re dying anyway.
anrwlias | 5 hours ago
Sure, if you don't give a shit about giving all your money to shysters instead of doing something useful with it like bequeathing it to charities.
There is zero scientific basis to believe that we can reanimate frozen corpses and many, many reasons to believe that we can't. The process literally destroys cells. Your frozen corpse is little more than a human shaped mound of molecular slush.
You would be just as rational giving your money to a voodoo doctor in the hopes that voodoo magic will one day advance to full resurrection.
holdmyspot123 | 55 minutes ago
it's likely a rather small portion of their money. If you have 1000000000000000000000 money and you spend 1000000 money on this it doesn't much matter if it's a scam. numbers made up
Kaurifish | 2 hours ago
I knew a dude back in the ‘90s who was contracted to get his head frozen. He wasn’t allowed to go on airplanes or go anywhere that would take him more than an hour away from their facility. He was an obligate NYCer who thought it was pointless to ever leave the city, but still, was basically imprisoned by his hopes of immortality.
Such a dumb idea.
scumotheliar | 12 hours ago
All these are rich people, if it was possible to bring them back would it be worthwhile, at all. Walt Disney was one of the first, what could he contribute to society 50 years later. I daresay nothing.
OVazisten | 12 hours ago
The problem with wealth is that you lose it when you die, your next of kin inherit it. Those people frozen were rich in their life, now they are penniless. If you would thaw a billionaire frozen a hundred years ago, you would just get a pauper.
TomVanDaLan | 10 hours ago
Walt Disney was actually cremated. The frozen head thing is just an urban legend.
SimiKusoni | 12 hours ago
Some of them aren't rich, for example the story of the 14 year old girl mentioned in the article cost the girls parents ~£37,000:
>it has been frozen “in perpetuity” by a commercial company at a cost of £37,000. The girl’s parents are divorced. She had lived with her mother for most of her life and had had no face-to-face contact with her father since 2008.
That's not cheap but it's well within the grasp of most families. It's also woefully insufficient to fund any kind of revival or treatment, so the business is essentially banking on it either never happening (most likely) or it just being done for free in some distant future.
Whilst some of these companies cater to rich cranks the majority are probably better framed as outright scams preying on individuals and families going through what is generally the most traumatic points in their lives.
sewmanychoices | 11 hours ago
>That's not cheap but it's well within the grasp of most families
What planet are you living on? And how do I move there?
DBCOOPER888 | 9 hours ago
37k is the price of a luxury vehicle. It's expensive, but not THAT expensive.
CleverLittleThief | 2 hours ago
A 5,000.dollar car is a luxury vehicle for most families on the planet
red-cloud | 6 hours ago
Um, the average price of a new car in the year 2026 is $50,000. Are you a time traveler?
Reagalan | 8 hours ago
Only like the top 10% of the USA could afford that....
DBCOOPER888 | 8 hours ago
This is a lie. This is just the cost of a year of tuition at college.
Maybe_a_Triangle | 7 hours ago
"Just."
Most of the people I know didn't go to college or were unable to finish due to the cost. Most of the people I know have a hard time affording a used car, let alone a luxury vehicle- and I know plenty of people who can't afford any car at all and rely on rides or walking. These things might not seem THAT expensive to you, but for many, many people that kind of money is either unobtainable or would financially ruin them if they were able to find ways to get it (loans, etc.).
It's interesting finding people with such vastly different experiences from my own. To describe that much money as well within the grasp of most families just seems bizarre and tone deaf to me. Like, I fell through my deck in January and it still hurts to walk, but just losing that one day that I called out for financially hurt me for weeks...if I broke anything, I'd rather just not know because I can't afford to take time off from work. I can't even imagine looking at the price of a luxury car or college tuition and thinking that it's not THAT expensive.
Serious-Regular | 7 hours ago
You're just saying the same dumb thing over and over - next you'll say it's just the cost of a moderately priced Rolex. Yes dummy most people can't afford these things that's what we're trying to tell you.
Tresach | 7 hours ago
Which leaves the average american in years of student debt… 37k is about half of yearly gross income for average household which sits at about 70k for dual income family. Affordable? Sure could pull it off but thats a massive debt load for average family on something like this.
Mejiro84 | 7 hours ago
It's a one-off payment - that's entirely within reach as 'savings over a period' or 'family takes on debt'. It's simply not a massive amount - sure, more than a lot of people have in cash around the place, but it's not unfathomably large
impreprex | 11 hours ago
lol Thats still not within the grasp of most families.
da2Pakaveli | 10 hours ago
Plenty of parents would be willing to spend quite lots if it means they could save their child...even if there's no guarantee to it.
SimiKusoni | 11 hours ago
It absolutely is if you have some unscrupulous company dangling it in front of them as a lifeline for incurable cancer, or to "save" their dying child.
They might need to take out loans, remortgage if they own property, empty their savings or take early drawdowns on a pension if that's an option but if you think that's outside the grasp of most families then median household wealth is probably just a bit higher than you think.
IdfightGahndi | 5 hours ago
They sign over life insurance to pay the storage fees.
ACoderGirl | 6 hours ago
You're projecting. By the time people are old enough for death to be much more likely, most people have accumulated a lot. Here in Canada, the median household wealth is over $500k. For senior families, it's over a million. Just owning a home means you'll have a good amount of wealth available if you downsize, plus you can get lines of credit against your home.
After_Preference_885 | 6 hours ago
Do you have a citation for median wealth being that high?
ACoderGirl | 6 hours ago
Yup: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241029/t001a-eng.htm
After_Preference_885 | 6 hours ago
Ty! I wasn't finding it. The US numbers are so sad in comparison but we also spend many thousands a year on health insurance and now tariffs. Don't let the right wing get hold of your country. 😭
anrwlias | 5 hours ago
FYI, the rumor that Walt Disney was frozen is an urban legend. He was cremated. Literally the opposite of cryopreservation.
Ring_of_Jupiter | 7 hours ago
Right. Also you would ostensibly be revived in your near death body and then proceed to stay alive in that state.. forever? Sounds miserable (at least in many cases)
weltvonalex | 10 hours ago
Was he a raging anti semite? I think he would enjoy 2026, Israel is doing so much shit and is the biggest contributer to bringing back all that crap about blood drinking and elders of Zion shit, he would have a blast.
And with AI he does need to pay those lazy people to draw his ideas!
quiksilver10152 | 7 hours ago
Attempts to bring back mice have succeeded but they used a different method than these folk. Kind of scary to imagine being frozen with the wrong technique!
angryChick3ns | 6 hours ago
they paid a lot of money to just be a frozen dead person.
quiksilver10152 | 6 hours ago
Hope the money pays the electric bill indefinitely
Dogah | 22 minutes ago
The electric bill of what? Liquid nitrogen?
Meerkat_Mayhem_ | 4 hours ago
A People Popsicle
Head-Ad-2136 | 8 hours ago
More than 650 people turned themselves into meat slushies
damagazelle | 3 hours ago
I bet it's really good for your skin. Soap factory?
BreadCthulhu | 12 hours ago
Unless they're scientists, there's no need.
If the only reason someone is cryogenically preserved is because they are rich, then leave them frozen.
They cannot provide any benefit to future society.
whatThePleb | 11 hours ago
>keep them frozen
no, that would only cost us more money. just throw them in a hole.
BreadCthulhu | 11 hours ago
You're right, I agree with that.
suluamus | 12 hours ago
Damn, human life has no inherent value is a wild take.
BreadCthulhu | 11 hours ago
No, there is no inherent value in anything. The universe doesn't care about you, me, your mom,.nobody.
Whatever value life has is not inherent, it comes from those around you and the interactions you have while alive. There is nothing inherent, you just desperately want there to be as a way to cope with an uncaring universe and your inevitable death. It's like religion.
This is a hill I am willing to die on.
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
I’m not banking on the universe caring. But if I’m frozen, in the far future, if they could, I’m betting people would find value in thawing me out just to hear my memories and see how I make coffee and shit (literally lol).
I’d agree that people banking on it are just as delulu as the Christians or any other religion. But the way I see it, it isn’t 100% fantasy - people said the same thing about flying 200 years ago - and even if it doesn’t pan out, I’ve not lost anything huge, and also it could provide a glimmer of hope while I’m alive, should I be staring down some sort of terminal illness.
somesortoflegend | 10 hours ago
So your only value is your impact on those around you? How utilitarian of you. Damm all the loners, outcasts, and marginalized people better kill themselves quickly then since they have no value. You can use that same logic to argue the opposite point.
The universe is cold and uncaring nothing you have done or will ever do has value or impact outside of a local level. Value and worth are made up constructs, so the only real is what is intrinsic to a thinking, feeling, living being.
Not so simple is it
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
I’m with you, I’m an existentialist. Nothing intrinsically means anything, so we have the freedom to decide for ourselves what matters.
To me, the only definitively meaningful action is the action that causes a state change - emotional or otherwise - in another human’s brain. We’re careening towards the heat death of the universe, but if I made you laugh or feel happy, then that makes me happy, and makes me feel fulfilled, and that’s the best we’re gonna do, is that temporary, naive perhaps, sense of fulfillment.
LurkForYourLives | 9 hours ago
I think you might have said a bit more about yourself than you meant to out loud there, friend.
That’s a pretty damning personal judgment on those folks you’ve got going on there.
somesortoflegend | 7 hours ago
was the /s not evident? the reading comprehension on this site I swear. obviously marginalized people are just as valuable as anyone else, that was my whole point
sentinel_of_ether | 7 hours ago
Idk the universe def cares about me it gave me amazing genes and despite giving minimal effort at literally everything, I still stumble into success at every corner. Whoeever is guiding this ride is in love with me lol
Waub | 6 hours ago
Humans are basically worth nothing.
But a good thoroughbred horse? Now we're talking millions....
VagueSomething | 11 hours ago
There is plenty of human life without bringing criminals back to life.
The_Moran | 10 hours ago
If they're a billionaire -they- don't believe human life has inherent value, it's a tolerance paradox situation
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
Just because they paid to be frozen doesn’t mean in the future the people living are under any obligation to thaw them out.
weltvonalex | 10 hours ago
Awesome scam! Get money of stupid people and act like a serious business while you store them in a freezer like chicken nuggets.
One day we can cure every diseases they suffered from but we will still not be able to fix the damage the ice caused.
Cryo is around since I was a kid in the 80s and in all those years that shit didn't improve.
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
This is out of date info, I’d encourage you to read up on how far we’ve come
https://cse.umn.edu/college/news/nsf-funded-researchers-successfully-transplant-cryopreserved-pig-kidney
weltvonalex | 7 hours ago
How far did you come? Tell me, did you got past the chicken nugget stage?
Or do you mean the scam got better and more professional?
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
Pig kidneys have been frozen, thawed, and transplanted into pigs successfully.
Granted a pig kidney is not a brain, but… there’s progress happening.
200 years ago people thought human flight would never happen. Now I can watch porn on my xreal glasses while vibecoding at 30,000 feet lol
weltvonalex | 6 hours ago
The only thing I found was a rat kidney and that was 2023, any other source? Also help me so 40 years of scam and failure and now about 2 years ago they finally had a small success? Help me, how does that change anything I wrote? How does that change that Cryonics in regards of escaping into the future is a scam?
Don't get me wrong, it would be amazing if we could freeze organs, that would save many lifes but that had nothing to do with that Mambo Jambo.
HandshakeOfCO | 6 hours ago
https://cse.umn.edu/college/news/nsf-funded-researchers-successfully-transplant-cryopreserved-pig-kidney
Cryo, in general, isn’t a scam. It’s a legit science /area of study with very pertinent use cases besides cheating death. Many people are working on freezing and unfreezing organs so as to extend the availability of heart transplants etc.
weltvonalex | 6 hours ago
👍 Good stuff, I appreciate the link
ikhouvandikkebillen | 12 hours ago
Is it a crime to not bring someone back from the dead, even if they paid you to do it? You prevented my second birth, that is akin to murder!
Dopecombatweasel | 7 hours ago
Have we learned nothing from Fallout?
Shydale-for-House | 5 hours ago
Biggest issue with cryonics is that you not only have to solve the glaring problem of how to actually safely unfreeze someone, but you also have to, as of now, literally reverse death too.
It's a little known fact that you cannot walk into one of these tubes, you have to be declared brain dead first. So your not storing a really cold person, you are storing a really cold dead body.
This entire line of science is a scam and the mass industry outside of small scale research should be banned. These former people will never be revived and the fact they were misled that it was ever a possiability is a travesty of travesty.
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
I plan on doing this to myself when the time comes. Hear me out:
The preservation process is farther along currently than most think. We have already frozen an organ and successfully unthawed it (a rabbit kidney, and more recently a pig kidney) and then put it back in the animal and the animal lived.
The freezing process isn’t really freezing, it’s closer to epoxy or “glass”ifying using extremely cold temperatures. We are able to preserve the intricate structure of cells. It’s the unfreezing we really don’t know how to do yet.
But compared to even 15 years ago, the field has gone from “basically impossible” to “plausibly achievable within this century” for organs. Brains are of course tougher.
So… yeah. Is it a long shot? Absolutely. But do I have better odds of beating death than if I were just cremated? You bet. Is it worth the $50 per month? For me, yes. Even in the case where I never get thawed out, I’ve still contributed to science, and honestly I spend more than that per month just having a night out with a few drinks.
writerMST | 12 hours ago
If my grandfather come back I will not give his money back. 🤔
crash893b | 9 hours ago
[Freezer fails]
[Later that week ]
“The McRibb is BACK”
QuirkyImage | 9 hours ago
Cells are probably damaged overtime anyway
CohentheBoybarian | 11 hours ago
"Guarded by dogs who are specially trained NOT to lick leaky jars!"
SgtSplacker | 7 hours ago
When this started i thought to myself how is the technology in place to freeze them but not to thaw them out?
Kailynna | 9 hours ago
I read a bunch of these remains have thawed and refrozen, thanks to power outages, into a huge, mixed mushy-slushy.
Imagine if there was a heaven, and you could never go there, because your soul was stuck with your remains in case they ever got revived - until the sun finally melted Earth.
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
Heaven is perfectly boring.
Also, if you were trapped because your body was frozen, that’s evidence of an immoral and unethical god. At that point we’re all fucked anyway.
Kailynna | 7 hours ago
Good point.
Coffeeisforclosers_ | 11 hours ago
How much does it cost?
HandshakeOfCO | 7 hours ago
About $50-$100 per month, while you’re alive.
Diagoras21 | 7 hours ago
650 people getting scammed after death.
Eelroots | 11 hours ago
Cryopreserved is a quacker word for "frozen". Even if they will revive their body, their ego and mind will be of another person.
Basis-Some | 8 hours ago
How to With John Wilson has an interesting episode that ends up in this topic
Consistent_Tank_3659 | 6 hours ago
Because they're dead
Prestigious-Copy-494 | 5 hours ago
It's so grotesque. The electrical pulses of the body stops at death.
redcoatwright | 5 hours ago
In fairness, until we figure out how to revive them, they're just frozen corpses so let's not worry too much about them.
Once we can actually revive people from that state, we should worry because of the obvious societal implications.
Dean-KS | 4 hours ago
The ancient Egyptians had similar ambitions.
postconsumerwat | 3 hours ago
Those cryopreserved people are so important in their own minds that I am sure they will be back... vanity of the lich king
SecretGardenSpider | 2 hours ago
Even if you could bring them back, were they frozen perfectly healthy? Or are they dead/brain dead?
We also have to have a cure for death.
Bossman01 | an hour ago
I watched a documentary on this, and their hypothesis was that they would need nano bots to individually handle every cell (plus all the other crazy stuff you would have to do)
EarthTrash | 51 minutes ago
They are dead.
alright_frog | 38 minutes ago
they opened a cryo body storage place in my grandparents incredibly small town, no idea who they’re planning on marketing to. thought i was losing my mind when i first drove past it
Dogah | 17 minutes ago
Where was it?
Cthulhus-Tailor | 23 minutes ago
They’re only there so that one day a villain (or hero) can cackle maniacally while shutting down their chambers with a conveniently placed lever, ending their hopes for immortality.
Apprehensive-Till861 | 8 minutes ago
So basically expensive long-term cadaver storage?
clubvalke | 10 hours ago
Mhhhh, human soup...
cphaus | 5 hours ago
People would want to do this less if they understood consciousness is a fundamental force of the Universe