I hate saying that it is "all men", as though it is something in their very nature that they can't even help it. I see how my peers raise their boys, how the boys enforce norms among each other... I just think (or maybe "hope") that misogyny and machismo are so deeply ingrained in our culture that, well, we don't create the predators, but we do create conditions that allow them to flourish.
People still encourage their little boys to act our violence. Many people still teach their boys that bullying, beating, and taking beatings are part of being a man. We tell them to never "snitch". We teach them, without even meaning to, that all painful emotions are called "anger" and are caused by somebody else. We tell little girls to pay attention to their friends' feelings and praise them for their kindness. We tell little boys to be strong, praise them for hitting that ball better than the other boys, and neglect to praise them for their kindess. All big generalizations, but tens of thousands of those little messages every day of one's life from infancy... and not even counting the boys who witness their fathers' misogyny or domestic violence.
So I guess my point is, it isn't "all men" in an individual sense, but it is "all men" in collective sense. All men are raised in a misogynistic society, all men receive the messaging. Maybe "all men" are not sexual predators, but how many would be if given a totally free pass to do so? How many would say nothing if they saw something? How many men will think "I'm not being hurt, so it's not my business"?
I don't think the whole "all men" trope is a good thing overall (consider how you would feel hearing this as a 5-year-old, boy or girl -- you wouldn't understand, you'd just take it as a fact to integrate into your understanding), but on the other hand... there are ways in which is a truth, and ways in which it captures the truth of women's experiences.
I think the uncomfortable truth is that we are increasingly changing into a more progressive society where what we view as morally acceptable or commendable is at odds with how we evolved biologically/physiologically, and this is especially evident with men. I say this as a man. I’m a teacher, and during our lessons on well-being at school, we often talk about how when we get really worked up about a test or something, our brains are responding with the same level of fear, anxiety, or shame that would have happened in the past when we were trying to avoid getting eaten by a saber-toothed tiger or having an unsuccessful hunt. In those life-or-death situations, it was a more appropriate response, whereas now it isn’t a beneficial or productive reaction.
Well, unfortunately, I don’t see how this principle doesn’t apply in other respects as well. Looking at the idea of sexual conquest is a very good example. But it’s difficult to talk about these things because it doesn’t jive with the “blank slate” behaviourist mindset that most academic left-wing thinking seems to have, which tends to heavily favour nurture over nature (by the way, I also consider myself a leftist, but I see what I see).
Evolutionary psychology is filled with narratives that we choose based on how things are, but the narratives are presented as innate truths of biology.
That may well be, but our increasing understanding of neuroscience shows us that the brain reacts in certain ways in certain situations, and from this being observed en masse over time, we can draw longitudinal inferences about our responses to the environment. Again, I don’t think we can just hand wave away the biological component because it has been misinterpreted or misunderstood in the past.
No, it isn't most men. It's disgusting that so many people in this sub use the trauma of victims as gotcha cards to justify their bioessentialism and distaste towards people based on their immutable characteristics. It actively makes things worse for victims and contributes to the idea that it can't be prevented.
It's not bioessentialism, but systematic social issue—most men aren't violent serial killers, but let's not ignore the way violence against women is ignored and normalised within our society and how realistically most men remain silent which encourages it.
By using bioessentialist, generalizing language you are framing misogynistic violence as a force of nature from the ~bad gender~. It completely strips away the agency of predators and makes it so actual preventative measures cannot be discussed.
You can't say a lion is evil for hunting prey, it's how their place in nature works. Treating misogynistic violence as the human equivalent of "lions have to eat" is beyond dangerous and harmful to victims. Nobody has to prey on anyone. It is a systemic issue and not a force of nature or a quality of manhood.
> how realistically most men remain silent
Most people regardless of gender remain silent, oftentimes especially when it comes to situations where the victim's trauma cannot be leverged as a gotcha card for bioessentialism. Using trauma like that is as effective as staying silent because, again, it frames abuse as an uncontrollable force and not something deliberately done by abusers that heavily intersects with systems of oppression.
They quite literally said it's a social issue not a biological one. I am a trans man. The epidemic of violence is perpetrated disproportionately by cisgender men who are granted an absurd amount of entitlement and privilege from birth that enables them to act like this and get away with it while being raised with toxic masculinity and misogynistic values. This is why cis men disproportionately are committing these acts and trans men are more likely to be victims even though biologically we are similar. My testosterone levels are the same as a cis man's and I pass as one but I dont have the same mentality because I was not raised as one, I know what it is like to be treated as a woman, and I've never have had the same level of privilege.
The solution is societal change. But until this change happens, women are going to view men with suspicion in order to protect themselves. As a result, since I appear as a man I do not begrudge women when they view me with suspicion as a stranger on the street. This is the world we live in. Women are not the source of the problem. Systemic misogyny and toxic masculinity are and until we hold men accountable for their actions and raise boys better, it's not going away.
It's crazy how some of you act like you're getting paid to miss the point of what I'm saying. At literally no point did I say it's wrong for women to feel wary of men. That is not the topic of discussion and it never has been here.
> The solution is societal change
Wow, it's almost like that's literally what I've been saying, in contrast to the upvoted people in this thread treating misogynistic violence as a facet of manhood, saying that all men need to be banned from conducting research in environment where women are also there, etc.
> and until we hold men accountable for their actions and raise boys better,
Which you literally cannot do while denying the agency of abusers and treating their choice to commit misogynistic violence as part of their nature as men.
I'm a troll but you're the one seeking out all my comments throughout the thread, including the ones where you weren't being replied to, and replying to them with this type of response. Ok dawg ✌️🥀
I note you didn't answer a single question I asked about changing behaviors here.
But keep writing endless missives on "HoW DaRe yoU bLaMe alL Men!" No woman is taking you seriously- we've lived our lives and know how we need to protect ourselves.
Saying "most men participate or tolerate and therefore facilitate abusive behaviour" is a specific opinion, and it's not generalizing or "bioessentialist".
You're just strawmaning here against "100% of men are bad".
Actually, this is slightly incorrect. When Forced To Penetrate (FTP) is taken into account, male rape victims are predominantly raped by women. This is usually not taken into account because of the stigma against male victims.
But having just exited a discussion about feminine that turned into a 'men get killed moreoften' I think it is important to note that while not all men, it is men who perpetrate so much of the violence. Also on other men.
Me: Misogynistic violence is a choice committed by abusers. Bioessentialism harms victims, as treating misogynistic violence as a force of nature is denying the agency of abusers.
I note you keep posting totally "disgusted" that women are DONE with men abusing us at every turn. Which seems like an interesting place to concentrate your energy.
$100 says you get upset when women say we choose the bear too
> disgusted that women are done with men abusing us
Nope. I have no issue with people hating abusers. I have an issue with people treating abuse as a force of nature committed by an ~evil gender~ and not a systemic issue that can and must be prevented.
I love how you keep saying "immutable characteristic" adopting the language of gender equality when someone vents about the rampant abuse of women by men in every place and position on earth.
It's almost like you are more upset that men are being called out for their choices, that damage and destroy women at the rate of literally every hour of the day, than the fact they these men make those choices.
> than the fact they these men make those choices
This is literally my point. Abusers CHOOSE to abuse, it's not a facet of manhood or a force of nature, it is a CHOICE and must be treated as such in order to actually prevent and properly address such a serious systemic problem. Chalking it up to "men always/virtually always do this" "let's ban all men because they're men" is literally the complete opposite and harms victims by framing what they've gone through as a force of nature and not a choice made by the abuser.
If I were upset about abusers being called out I would've just said that directly. I've only used explicit language, it's not my fault you want to blatantly miscontrute what I'm saying.
Men are the ones to consistently CHOOSE to abuse women. Women do not choose this to such incredible levels.
Maybe address that part instead of using every bit of energy you have to attack women, for venting. I mean the fact you are so indignant about this single aspect speaks volumes about your character and indicates you are part of the problem - refusing to address that sex's incredible levels of abuse towards women in any way whatsoever, but rather target women for their legitimate exasperation.
At literally no point have I denied the extent of misogynistic violence in human society. I quite literally haven't commented on the scope of it.
> refusing to address that sex's
It's not a sex problem. Misogynistic violence is not a facet of manhood, it is a facet of patriarchal societies. It is a systemic, social issue that can and must be prevented. This rhetoric promotes the idea that misogynistic violence is simply part of nature, and if it were simply part of nature, there would be nothing to address, prevent, and punish. Denying the agency of abusers harms victims.
Pray tell, using their 'agency' (that's a gender equality language bingo again!) what should men do to stop themselves from choosing to abuse, rape and kill women at such alarming rates?
Or do you think it's womens' - the victims'- role to police men's choices?
You're missing the point on purpose, at this point.
I have repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, written out that misogynistic violence needs to be addressed as the systemic issue that it is in order to properly address and prevent it. Misogynistic violence needs to be tackled like every other systemic issue, trying to address it by treating violence as isolated incidents that are an expression of a violent nature will never tackle the root cause.
No single person or group can stop it because patriarchal society itself promotes misogynistic violence. The systemic issue requires systemic change.
There is no force compelling abusers to commit violence. It is fully, totally, 100% in their control and a fully-conscious choice that they make.
Banning innocent people based on their immutable characteristics is totally a helpful thing to advocate for, totally helpful for victims, and definitely helps address systemic issues.
You cannot properly address systemic issues and more specifically the violence they cause if you treat the violence as a force of nature. Misogynistic violence is a choice committed by perpetrators and it needs to be treated as such, treating it as a force of nature is removing their agency. Treating all men as inherently guilty based on their immutable characteristic is treating it as a force of nature. Violence is not the default. Acknowledge abuser's agency rather than denying it and as they're being properly dealt with, the root cause — systemic misogyny — can be addressed. You can't just throw your hands up and go "welp, that's the way men are".
If you read that comment as a "diagribe of 'stop blaming all men! men have agency!'" and not advocacy for systemic change, that's on you at this point. Am I supposed to assume you're engaging in this conversation without the slightest clue of what systemic changes are? It's not exactly smoothsailing to have a conversation with someone who is hellbent on purposefully miscontruting what you're saying.
This is why I just refused to enter male-dominated professions. It’s not worth risking your physical safety and mental health by working with so many men where women are like less than half.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the other men in this story, not stepping in and scolding their misogynistic colleagues?! Maybe I live in a bubble but this shit would have never been tolerated by me or any of the men I'm close to.
I dated Jane in college. She was a strong and brilliant woman with a heart of gold. It breaks my heart that people can treat people like this. The world is a little bit better because of the courage of superwomen like Jane and her colleagues. My daughter will benefit from the changes these women made. Fuck the monsters they had to endure.
[OP] Quouar | 9 hours ago
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arianrhodd | 9 hours ago
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Likemilkbutforhumans | 9 hours ago
This pattern is everywhere and in everything
pillowcase-of-eels | 8 hours ago
Yeah, at this point I feel like I've seen endless variations of "Female went to location; and then, the wolves came"
jankenpoo | 8 hours ago
Truly disappointing
fontenoy_inn | 8 hours ago
not all men, just most of them?
ThoughtsonYaoi | 6 hours ago
Not all men, but always men.
Blue_Oyster_Cat | 8 hours ago
Nah, all of them, unless at least four women testify to their worthiness.
global_peasant | 6 hours ago
I hate saying that it is "all men", as though it is something in their very nature that they can't even help it. I see how my peers raise their boys, how the boys enforce norms among each other... I just think (or maybe "hope") that misogyny and machismo are so deeply ingrained in our culture that, well, we don't create the predators, but we do create conditions that allow them to flourish.
People still encourage their little boys to act our violence. Many people still teach their boys that bullying, beating, and taking beatings are part of being a man. We tell them to never "snitch". We teach them, without even meaning to, that all painful emotions are called "anger" and are caused by somebody else. We tell little girls to pay attention to their friends' feelings and praise them for their kindness. We tell little boys to be strong, praise them for hitting that ball better than the other boys, and neglect to praise them for their kindess. All big generalizations, but tens of thousands of those little messages every day of one's life from infancy... and not even counting the boys who witness their fathers' misogyny or domestic violence.
So I guess my point is, it isn't "all men" in an individual sense, but it is "all men" in collective sense. All men are raised in a misogynistic society, all men receive the messaging. Maybe "all men" are not sexual predators, but how many would be if given a totally free pass to do so? How many would say nothing if they saw something? How many men will think "I'm not being hurt, so it's not my business"?
I don't think the whole "all men" trope is a good thing overall (consider how you would feel hearing this as a 5-year-old, boy or girl -- you wouldn't understand, you'd just take it as a fact to integrate into your understanding), but on the other hand... there are ways in which is a truth, and ways in which it captures the truth of women's experiences.
It's complex.
think_long | 54 minutes ago
I think the uncomfortable truth is that we are increasingly changing into a more progressive society where what we view as morally acceptable or commendable is at odds with how we evolved biologically/physiologically, and this is especially evident with men. I say this as a man. I’m a teacher, and during our lessons on well-being at school, we often talk about how when we get really worked up about a test or something, our brains are responding with the same level of fear, anxiety, or shame that would have happened in the past when we were trying to avoid getting eaten by a saber-toothed tiger or having an unsuccessful hunt. In those life-or-death situations, it was a more appropriate response, whereas now it isn’t a beneficial or productive reaction.
Well, unfortunately, I don’t see how this principle doesn’t apply in other respects as well. Looking at the idea of sexual conquest is a very good example. But it’s difficult to talk about these things because it doesn’t jive with the “blank slate” behaviourist mindset that most academic left-wing thinking seems to have, which tends to heavily favour nurture over nature (by the way, I also consider myself a leftist, but I see what I see).
luanns_camel | 30 minutes ago
Evolutionary psychology is filled with narratives that we choose based on how things are, but the narratives are presented as innate truths of biology.
think_long | 5 minutes ago
That may well be, but our increasing understanding of neuroscience shows us that the brain reacts in certain ways in certain situations, and from this being observed en masse over time, we can draw longitudinal inferences about our responses to the environment. Again, I don’t think we can just hand wave away the biological component because it has been misinterpreted or misunderstood in the past.
Consistent-Value-509 | 8 hours ago
No, it isn't most men. It's disgusting that so many people in this sub use the trauma of victims as gotcha cards to justify their bioessentialism and distaste towards people based on their immutable characteristics. It actively makes things worse for victims and contributes to the idea that it can't be prevented.
rask0ln | 8 hours ago
It's not bioessentialism, but systematic social issue—most men aren't violent serial killers, but let's not ignore the way violence against women is ignored and normalised within our society and how realistically most men remain silent which encourages it.
Consistent-Value-509 | 8 hours ago
That is literally what I'm saying.
By using bioessentialist, generalizing language you are framing misogynistic violence as a force of nature from the ~bad gender~. It completely strips away the agency of predators and makes it so actual preventative measures cannot be discussed.
You can't say a lion is evil for hunting prey, it's how their place in nature works. Treating misogynistic violence as the human equivalent of "lions have to eat" is beyond dangerous and harmful to victims. Nobody has to prey on anyone. It is a systemic issue and not a force of nature or a quality of manhood.
> how realistically most men remain silent
Most people regardless of gender remain silent, oftentimes especially when it comes to situations where the victim's trauma cannot be leverged as a gotcha card for bioessentialism. Using trauma like that is as effective as staying silent because, again, it frames abuse as an uncontrollable force and not something deliberately done by abusers that heavily intersects with systems of oppression.
rupee4sale | 7 hours ago
They quite literally said it's a social issue not a biological one. I am a trans man. The epidemic of violence is perpetrated disproportionately by cisgender men who are granted an absurd amount of entitlement and privilege from birth that enables them to act like this and get away with it while being raised with toxic masculinity and misogynistic values. This is why cis men disproportionately are committing these acts and trans men are more likely to be victims even though biologically we are similar. My testosterone levels are the same as a cis man's and I pass as one but I dont have the same mentality because I was not raised as one, I know what it is like to be treated as a woman, and I've never have had the same level of privilege.
The solution is societal change. But until this change happens, women are going to view men with suspicion in order to protect themselves. As a result, since I appear as a man I do not begrudge women when they view me with suspicion as a stranger on the street. This is the world we live in. Women are not the source of the problem. Systemic misogyny and toxic masculinity are and until we hold men accountable for their actions and raise boys better, it's not going away.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
It's crazy how some of you act like you're getting paid to miss the point of what I'm saying. At literally no point did I say it's wrong for women to feel wary of men. That is not the topic of discussion and it never has been here.
> The solution is societal change
Wow, it's almost like that's literally what I've been saying, in contrast to the upvoted people in this thread treating misogynistic violence as a facet of manhood, saying that all men need to be banned from conducting research in environment where women are also there, etc.
> and until we hold men accountable for their actions and raise boys better,
Which you literally cannot do while denying the agency of abusers and treating their choice to commit misogynistic violence as part of their nature as men.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
>It's crazy how some of you act like you're getting paid to miss the point of what I'm saying.
Every accusation is a confession. troll
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
I'm a troll but you're the one seeking out all my comments throughout the thread, including the ones where you weren't being replied to, and replying to them with this type of response. Ok dawg ✌️🥀
pk666 | 6 hours ago
I note you didn't answer a single question I asked about changing behaviors here.
But keep writing endless missives on "HoW DaRe yoU bLaMe alL Men!" No woman is taking you seriously- we've lived our lives and know how we need to protect ourselves.
lol
aluckybrokenleg | 7 hours ago
Saying "most men participate or tolerate and therefore facilitate abusive behaviour" is a specific opinion, and it's not generalizing or "bioessentialist".
You're just strawmaning here against "100% of men are bad".
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
It is objectively false based on all available data to say most men commit sexual crimes.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
what part of this data is false?
https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/97-cent-sexual-assault-offenders-are-male
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
97% of sexual offenders is about sexual offenders specifically, not men as a whole. Hello?
pk666 | 6 hours ago
How much are men represented as offenders here, compared to women?
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
Explain how that's relevant to the claim you tried to dispute lol?
The claim was that most men, as a whole, are not sexual offenders. Not that most sexual offenders aren't men.
ThoughtsonYaoi | 6 hours ago
The actual point is the other way around: most of the sexual crimes are committed by men, regardless of the gender of the victims.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
Actually, this is slightly incorrect. When Forced To Penetrate (FTP) is taken into account, male rape victims are predominantly raped by women. This is usually not taken into account because of the stigma against male victims.
ThoughtsonYaoi | 5 hours ago
Do you have a source for that?
I'm not doubting per se, just want to see.
aluckybrokenleg | 6 hours ago
My most charitable understanding of you is that you have trouble with reading comprehension.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
lol
ThoughtsonYaoi | 6 hours ago
I agree with you, actually.
But having just exited a discussion about feminine that turned into a 'men get killed moreoften' I think it is important to note that while not all men, it is men who perpetrate so much of the violence. Also on other men.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
> I think it is important to note that while noye all men, it is men who perpetrate so much of the violence
It's almost like I've been acknowledging that from the start.
ThoughtsonYaoi | 5 hours ago
I didn't see you say that in this thread, but however it may be we agree.
pk666 | 8 hours ago
It's not 'bioessentialism' it's men CHOOSING to be dirtbag, rapist predators
And we women have no idea what choices they'll make.
So when presented with that reality, it is all men, until it's no men.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
Me: Misogynistic violence is a choice committed by abusers. Bioessentialism harms victims, as treating misogynistic violence as a force of nature is denying the agency of abusers.
You: rapists CHOOSE to be rapists
Like… yup. That's literally what I said.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
Sexual abusers/ predators are overwhelmingly men
Ergo more men choose to commit such abuse.
Facts don't care about your feelings, epscailly when women need to employ them to survive.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
I literally have not said otherwise on these two points.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
And yet - thats all you say.
You don't seem to offer any solutions to stop males making these deliberate choices whatsoever
so please, tell us what we should do.
pk666 | 7 hours ago
I note you keep posting totally "disgusted" that women are DONE with men abusing us at every turn. Which seems like an interesting place to concentrate your energy.
$100 says you get upset when women say we choose the bear too
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
> disgusted that women are done with men abusing us
Nope. I have no issue with people hating abusers. I have an issue with people treating abuse as a force of nature committed by an ~evil gender~ and not a systemic issue that can and must be prevented.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
And yet you've still have not answered a single question posed to you about preventing sexual abuse.
Can you elaborate on that?
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
Yes I have..??
pk666 | 6 hours ago
where?
What do we do about it.
pk666 | 8 hours ago
I love how you keep saying "immutable characteristic" adopting the language of gender equality when someone vents about the rampant abuse of women by men in every place and position on earth.
It's almost like you are more upset that men are being called out for their choices, that damage and destroy women at the rate of literally every hour of the day, than the fact they these men make those choices.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
> than the fact they these men make those choices
This is literally my point. Abusers CHOOSE to abuse, it's not a facet of manhood or a force of nature, it is a CHOICE and must be treated as such in order to actually prevent and properly address such a serious systemic problem. Chalking it up to "men always/virtually always do this" "let's ban all men because they're men" is literally the complete opposite and harms victims by framing what they've gone through as a force of nature and not a choice made by the abuser.
If I were upset about abusers being called out I would've just said that directly. I've only used explicit language, it's not my fault you want to blatantly miscontrute what I'm saying.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
Men are the ones to consistently CHOOSE to abuse women. Women do not choose this to such incredible levels.
Maybe address that part instead of using every bit of energy you have to attack women, for venting. I mean the fact you are so indignant about this single aspect speaks volumes about your character and indicates you are part of the problem - refusing to address that sex's incredible levels of abuse towards women in any way whatsoever, but rather target women for their legitimate exasperation.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
At literally no point have I denied the extent of misogynistic violence in human society. I quite literally haven't commented on the scope of it.
> refusing to address that sex's
It's not a sex problem. Misogynistic violence is not a facet of manhood, it is a facet of patriarchal societies. It is a systemic, social issue that can and must be prevented. This rhetoric promotes the idea that misogynistic violence is simply part of nature, and if it were simply part of nature, there would be nothing to address, prevent, and punish. Denying the agency of abusers harms victims.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
Pray tell, using their 'agency' (that's a gender equality language bingo again!) what should men do to stop themselves from choosing to abuse, rape and kill women at such alarming rates?
Or do you think it's womens' - the victims'- role to police men's choices?
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
You're missing the point on purpose, at this point.
I have repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, written out that misogynistic violence needs to be addressed as the systemic issue that it is in order to properly address and prevent it. Misogynistic violence needs to be tackled like every other systemic issue, trying to address it by treating violence as isolated incidents that are an expression of a violent nature will never tackle the root cause.
No single person or group can stop it because patriarchal society itself promotes misogynistic violence. The systemic issue requires systemic change.
There is no force compelling abusers to commit violence. It is fully, totally, 100% in their control and a fully-conscious choice that they make.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
Give us a real world example of "systematic change"
Blue_Oyster_Cat | 8 hours ago
What the hell is wrong with men. I just can't.
letthetreeburn | 9 hours ago
We need to start banning men from these things.
Consistent-Value-509 | 8 hours ago
Banning innocent people based on their immutable characteristics is totally a helpful thing to advocate for, totally helpful for victims, and definitely helps address systemic issues.
pk666 | 7 hours ago
What do you suggest be done with these men?
I'll wait
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
You cannot properly address systemic issues and more specifically the violence they cause if you treat the violence as a force of nature. Misogynistic violence is a choice committed by perpetrators and it needs to be treated as such, treating it as a force of nature is removing their agency. Treating all men as inherently guilty based on their immutable characteristic is treating it as a force of nature. Violence is not the default. Acknowledge abuser's agency rather than denying it and as they're being properly dealt with, the root cause — systemic misogyny — can be addressed. You can't just throw your hands up and go "welp, that's the way men are".
pk666 | 6 hours ago
I asked for answers to the problem here.
Not another diatribe of "stop blaming all men! men have agency!"
Please answer the question.
Consistent-Value-509 | 6 hours ago
If you read that comment as a "diagribe of 'stop blaming all men! men have agency!'" and not advocacy for systemic change, that's on you at this point. Am I supposed to assume you're engaging in this conversation without the slightest clue of what systemic changes are? It's not exactly smoothsailing to have a conversation with someone who is hellbent on purposefully miscontruting what you're saying.
pk666 | 6 hours ago
Please give a tangible examples of systematic change.
anubus72 | 6 hours ago
Yes Let’s solve a timeless human problem in a Reddit comment
elliebeans90 | 44 minutes ago
Getting a bit sick of hearing it be called a 'human problem' when the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male.
seiryuu-abi | 4 hours ago
This is why I just refused to enter male-dominated professions. It’s not worth risking your physical safety and mental health by working with so many men where women are like less than half.
RobertPaulsen1992 | 3 hours ago
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the other men in this story, not stepping in and scolding their misogynistic colleagues?! Maybe I live in a bubble but this shit would have never been tolerated by me or any of the men I'm close to.
rosehymnofthemissing | an hour ago
The bear (metaphor), dammit, the bear.
Deep_Joke3141 | 6 minutes ago
I dated Jane in college. She was a strong and brilliant woman with a heart of gold. It breaks my heart that people can treat people like this. The world is a little bit better because of the courage of superwomen like Jane and her colleagues. My daughter will benefit from the changes these women made. Fuck the monsters they had to endure.