Claude Is Down

193 points by cornfieldlabs 13 hours ago on hackernews | 168 comments

biofox | 13 hours ago

Just got kicked out while finalising a presentation I'm about to give in 39 minutes.

Wish me luck!

antonvs | 13 hours ago

Reminds me of the SNL skit of TV newsreaders when the teleprompter goes down. By the end of it they've gone completely primitive and started killing each other.

egeozcan | 13 hours ago

found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc0FeUMQIA4

SNL skits have these great ideas every now and then, only if the execution were a bit better, they'd have timeless pieces (like the Monty Python's dirty fork). This one was very funny anyway.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r | 12 hours ago

I ASSURE you that SNL skits have wider appeal than Monty Python, which really just appeals to a specific subset.
As a non american SNL is 99.9% asinine crap and pales in comparison to Monty Python even after all this time. May be that's why it has a wider appeal but the formulaic lack of humor and fear of actually punching up comes down to the bitter old man in charge.

msephton | 11 hours ago

Maybe to Americans? Not for the ROW

amanaplanacanal | 9 hours ago

This can't possibly be true.

disposition2 | 12 hours ago

Great skit, thanks for sharing.

WhenI started watching, I was thinking I’ll share this on Teams to joke about the outage…then the third act came, and that it’s definitely nsfw.

dessimus | 12 hours ago

One show is produced with edits and retakes if someone flubs a line or breaks, the other is live. Also consider, SNL puts out more content in a single season with 22 episodes at 90 minutes, then all of Monty Python's full run of 45 episodes at 30 minutes. You're comparing apples to oranges.

egeozcan | 11 hours ago

Sometimes you look at an orange, and think how convenient it'd be if you could bite it like an apple. Okay, many don't, but few who do came up with all the modern fruits :)

ecshafer | 10 hours ago

You would think that 20 episodes a season over 50 years, then on just pure statistical probability they would have had a funny skit. An infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of type writers will eventually write a funny joke. But somehow, against all odds, despite hiring comedians, comedic actors, improvers, and writers. They have never, once, gotten a funny skit. It defies belief actually.

nicce | 13 hours ago

That is how the future looks like. One outage and we have no idea what to do if AI is not working.

JKCalhoun | 7 hours ago

Unless the future is local?

bobson381 | 7 hours ago

The future is local, planned or unplanned

lmf4lol | 13 hours ago

Shouldn't matter right? You used Claude just to accelerate your production not to outsource your thinking. Its still all your ideas and stuff, so dont worry. am i right?

phil-martin | 12 hours ago

Of course it matters. If you used Claude just to accelerate production, let's say it makes you twice as productive. That means if you budget 30 minutes to do something, if Claude stops working, it means it'll take you 60. Or you just use the 30 and its half as good, not as polished, any number of things. Particularly if you know claude is really good at repetitive tasks, such as making sure all the font are the same size so you leave that until the end so you can focus on content.

The example are contrived, but still very real.

xattt | 11 hours ago

Clearly, this mess would have been avoided by using two Claudes to cut prep time to 15 minutes.

Raed667 | 11 hours ago

why stop there? i hear Boris Cherny has thousands of instances running in parallel, he can do it in milliseconds

jgalt212 | 10 hours ago

He makes Gary Tan seem thrifty.

wongarsu | 11 hours ago

People with more budget than me give the task of polishing up the powerpoint to an assistant. They don't hire 20 assistants to have the work done 20 times as fast, but that does not negate that having one assistant do it does free up some of their time

Responsible use of Claude behaves much the same, just within my budget

Huang needed to have a baby in 3 months, so,

globular-toast | 10 hours ago

I mean, if you were cutting deadlines this fine, with or without AI, then it was only a matter of time before your luck ran out.

> Particularly if you know claude is really good at repetitive tasks, such as making sure all the font are the same size so you leave that until the end so you can focus on content.

Surely you can come up with a better example than something that's solved by even the most basic tools we've had for decades at this point?

solid_fuel | an hour ago

> such as making sure all the font are the same size so you leave that until the end so you can focus on content.

`ctrl-a`, select desired font in style dropdown, done.

Do you perhaps have a better example?

The criticism people are throwing out here is that while users often claim that they're only using claude to speed up the exact thing they would have done anyway, they are in fact ceding control and critical thinking to claude and just accepting what it does as if it were what they would have done.

streetfighter64 | 12 hours ago

Asinine argument. Are you outsourcing your thinking to the compiler because it gives you warnings, instead of getting an error two hours into your punch card programs's runtime?

People have done this work by hand for years and years, and now when they've been using LLMs to do it 5x faster for a couple of years, suddenly they'd be unable to work the traditional way? Please

> My car broke down and now I'm late for work

> Well you shouldn't have outsourced your mobility to a machine

rglullis | 12 hours ago

My compiler does not require billions of dollars of opearational infrastructure to work, except for the electrical grid.

And even in the case of outage, I can keep my computer running on a battery or a backup generator.

origini | 11 hours ago

One claude instance also doesn't need billions of dollars of operational infrastructure to work.

Its great that you can keep your computer running, 1/3 of my information is ithe cloud (which is not a problem at all, even today) and 100% of my infrastructure is in the cloud.

Its not a problem at all, that a service has an outage. My laptop also had an outage when the logic board broke. Took 2 days to fix so what

rglullis | 9 hours ago

> One claude instance also doesn't need billions of dollars of operational infrastructure to work.

Of course it does. It's the marginal cost that is low.

> 100% of my infrastructure is in the cloud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_illusion

> My laptop also had an outage when the logic board broke.

And if you had a local backup, you'd be able to resume your work immediately.

streetfighter64 | 9 hours ago

> My laptop also had an outage when the logic board broke.

> And if you had a local backup, you'd be able to resume your work immediately.

Immediately after buying a new laptop. Or perhaps you mean you keep a spare laptop around? In any case, it's also an object that requires a huge environmentally destructive supply chain to create. Quite like a LLM...

rglullis | 9 hours ago

> Immediately after buying a new laptop

No. I could go by with an older one, or in a pinch I could repurpose my current media server. Or I could put my data in an SSD with a bootable partition and borrow my wife's laptop...

> huge environmentally destructive supply chain to create.

Sunk cost fallacy? If the major electronics factories explode today, the existing computers won't stop working. If any of the Anthropic's datacenters go under, the compute capacity would have to be rebuilt.

streetfighter64 | 9 hours ago

If you're worried about the environment, you're better of stopping "outsourcing" your food gathering to factory farms or your walking to cars.

That's not what I'm talking about though, the question is whether the compiler does the thinking for you or not.

Or do you mean that the question of whether you're outsourcing your thinking to a LLM or not depends on whether you're running it locally? Would you claim you're outsourcing your thinking every time you run a script on a remote server?

rglullis | 9 hours ago

My argument is specific to Claude, and it has nothing to do with "the environment".

streetfighter64 | 6 hours ago

It seems you didn't finish reading my comment before replying. Here's the relevant part in case you missed it:

> Or do you mean that the question of whether you're outsourcing your thinking to a LLM or not depends on whether you're running it locally? Would you claim you're outsourcing your thinking every time you run a script on a remote server?

In any case, your "argument" is more of an observation that

> Claude requires billions of dollars of operational infrastructure to work

Okay, so does a bunch of other things as well. So what?

Me and other commenters have tried quite hard to divine what you feel is relevant about this fact, without success. Perhaps it's time for you to try to articulate what significance you see in it.

rglullis | 3 hours ago

My point is that your "outsourcing to a compiler" analogy does not make sense. And that running a hosted, proprietary LLM is not the same as "running a script in a remote server".

The whole "AI is a tool" argument only works if the "tool" is a commodity that is universally available and still exists even if the tool manufacturer disappears. Open-weights, locally hosted LLMs fit this criteria. Anything that depends on a cloud provider does not.

streetfighter64 | an hour ago

> The whole "AI is a tool" argument only works if the "tool" is a commodity that is universally available and still exists even if the tool manufacturer disappears.

You have quite strange criteria for what constitutes a "tool", but sure, at least I see where you're coming from then.

latexr | 12 hours ago

> People have done this work by hand for years and years, and now when they've been using LLMs to do it 5x faster for a couple of years, suddenly they'd be unable to work the traditional way?

Yes. Not completely unable all at once, but they certainly get worse at it fast.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langas/article/PIIS2468-1...

Losing skills due to over-reliance on technology is not a new phenomenon and not exclusive to LLM use, but they of course exacerbate it by so pervasively touching so many areas.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-gps-weakens-m...

streetfighter64 | 9 hours ago

You take a clockmaker who's used to working with hand-operated lathes, mills etc. and let him work for a few years using CNC versions. For sure he'll probably be worse at using the traditional machines when he comes back to them, but that doesn't mean he's any dumber or worse at making clocks. He's just out of practice, same as if he'd have spent a few years staffing a convenience store or anything else.

That seems to be precisely what your study shows as well, though I only read the summary. Say the AI lowered the endoscopists' workload by (for illustration) 20%, so they got 20% less practice per unit of time, which made them have a performance that was 20% worse in the trial. I would expect the same to happen if they got assigned to do paperwork for 20% of their time as well.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, perhaps we're in agreement here, I'm just clarifying my point.

There's a famous talk about the importance of knowing when to use which level of automation, and maintaining currency at all levels you expect to need to use: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs

latexr | 9 hours ago

Analogies with physical tools don’t work well for LLMs because the former enable you to do things you couldn’t before, regardless how much you train and learn. A microscope and a needle allow us to see and work with precision beyond our human physical limitations. Furthermore they don’t make decisions, you are in control the whole time.

The talk looks interesting, thank you. I’ve added it to my list to watch later.

rootnod3 | 9 hours ago

That only works because the clockmaker had the manual experience to begin with and only needs to remember to get back into the groove. If however he had always only worked with CNC machines the story would be very different.
Yes it matters regardless of how much thinking you offloaded. Having the tools you’re using vanish would stop anyone. Imagine if your favorite editor or other tools vaporized and you had 30 minutes left.

If the OP had hours they’d probably be fine.

My different smug answer is: I bought a laptop with 64G of RAM before the RAM bubble and would try throwing qwen3 or gemma at it.

thatsabadlook | 11 hours ago

If my favorite editor disappeared I would literally be fine.

Gareth321 | 11 hours ago

Because there are many other editors. Perhaps this is a lesson to have backup LLMs ready to plug in.

em3rgent0rdr | 9 hours ago

Or always use tools that you have complete access to, i.e. that run entirely on equipment you own.

Gareth321 | 8 hours ago

I think that ship has sailed. The entire world runs on SaaS tools which cannot / do not run locally. For mission critical ops, it can make sense to pay the enormous premium for local tools, but when one runs the risk/impact calculation, it rarely makes sense. Especially when there are four 9s attached to most of these online services.

awsglkhj | 7 hours ago

> The entire world runs on SaaS tools which cannot / do not run locally.

Some of us have made different choices and therefore have different exposure to these kinds of failures. Yes, sometimes those choices mean higher costs or fewer features, but a lower probability of getting kneecapped by others' problems is a pretty good feature.

Life is tradeoffs.

toss1 | 6 hours ago

That ship is still very much available for boarding, but if your not already on it, it will take a bit of effort to get onboard.

Many of us refused to go along with the subscription model, and so are not affected. I've used primarily LibreOffice for ~two decades, and even more emphatically when Excel became primarily Subscription. Stuck with Gimp even after buying Photoshop for the Pantone support, but killed PS when it went online model. Was very interested in Fusion 360, but stuck with RhinoCAD when Fusion was online-only. I refuse to use online accounting/payroll "solutions".

I use Claude $20/mth a good amount, and am hesitant to use Chinese technology, but the last day makes it look a lot more sensible to setup local AIs, even at the cost of higher initial cost, lower capability, more system management effort, and potential compromise.

It's just one small shop, but many others could make similar decisions, instead of going with what's "just easier today".

globular-toast | 10 hours ago

I don't need to imagine it, this actually happened to me. OK, it was a bit more than 30 min, but I used Arch Linux back in the day, around '07. Coursework was due the next day and had loads to do. Was looking for a distraction so decided to `pacman -Syu` in the middle of the day. It completely borked my system. Didn't have enough time to fix so chucked in an Ubuntu CD and within an hour I was back with all my favourite tools.

It's very different when you own your tools rather than renting them.

I had the same experience with Debian unstable and tetex, cca. 2003. Don't upgrade your production system, a good life lesson.

jasonlotito | 9 hours ago

> Having the tools you’re using vanish would stop anyone.

No. Not really. Depending on the presentation, it wouldn't stop professionals. More importantly, this is why you have backups. It's why you don't wait until the last minute to prepare your presentation, or, if you have to, you are knowledgeable enough to forego the presentation.

Simply put, in this case, absolutely not.

Edit: And to be clear, before you put too much weight on the "depending on the presentation" part, data heavy slides are not what I'm talking about.

juusto | 12 hours ago

Why stop at Claude? Forget computers, bring the good ol' slider projection machine thingie and do super old school.

Even better, if cave painting was good enough thousands of years ago it is good enough today.

microtonal | 12 hours ago

No need to be so dramatic. There are a lot of things you can do with just speaking supported by a whiteboard with markers.

When I was still teaching, I’d do this sometimes. Just do a lecture with a whiteboard and draw data structures and algorithms. It’s often much more engaging than prepared slides.

Yes, I know it doesn’t work for every possible presentation, but for many it does.

ptero | 11 hours ago

Totally. But today, the room will not be well set up for it, markers may be dry, whiteboard covered in old, settled in diagrams, etc. And half the people dialing in. All solvable, but not in 30 minutes.

And for larger work presentations the expectation even 30 years ago was not whiteboards; that is very inefficient. It was transparencies. But try printing those in a pinch. And finding a projector.

That's not to say that a key tool outage should kill a presentation (and if it was important, do it early); but it is not a do-not-care either.

microtonal | 11 hours ago

It's much easier to anticipate dry markers (keep a small stock) than outage of Claude or Microsoft.

(Yes, I know that the slippery slope is in jest.)

macintux | 10 hours ago

Last time I worked in an office I kept my own private stash of markers exactly for that reason.

em3rgent0rdr | 9 hours ago

Magnetic drawing boards are also a thing that last forever.

rpdillon | 9 hours ago

Do you have a way to resolve the issue where the surface becomes degraded and much harder to erase over time? I think it's partly due to wear and tear and partly because people try to clean off the boards with solvents that degrade the surface that is erasable. Is there a way to renew it in some way?

microtonal | 9 hours ago

The ones I have usually seen do have some coated steel (presumably because they are cheaper). At home we have a glass whiteboard (tempered glass I think?), which is extremely strong and the surface very smooth.

officeplant | 7 hours ago

This is reminding me of a time in school were we thought if we stole all the chalk we might get a day off of Calculus class.

The professor came in and looked around for two minutes before shrugging and pulling a fresh stick of chalk out of his back pocket and began writing on the board.

This is the same professor who we'd never seen use a fresh piece of chalk ever, he always just soldiered through the nubs and remains littering the board's chalk tray.

We had no idea he actually kept a pack of sticks in his back pocket at all times.

clickety_clack | 11 hours ago

How does any tech company or team operate without whiteboards?

olyjohn | 5 hours ago

Microsoft Surface Tables!

Merrill | 12 hours ago

Or whiteboards and blackboards.

thatsabadlook | 11 hours ago

Are people seriously so helpless they can't stand up and talk about what they've been getting paid to do anymore? If so y'all need ai detoxes, you arent even people anymore.

SamInTheShell | 12 hours ago

Only Claude understands their codebases... so they probably are not thinking anymore.

numpad0 | 11 hours ago

Linus Torvalds might be able to describe some obscure part of Linux Kernel memory management that LLMs might not be able to come up with, but he won't be able to type it out faster than he can have it generated off his explanation

are your audiences going to be exactly as pleased with just the prompt in the center of the sole slide just as they would with the complete generated slides? probably not

will they find AI-generated slides sloppy and worthless anyway? I might, but that is not exactly my business. also I know gcc or clang won't accept a prompt as source file(s) yet

SkyBelow | 11 hours ago

If you completely stop being able to work with without Claude, then I say a deep analysis of the root cause is needed and it may have some uncomfortable findings.

But for many, they use it as a productivity multiplier. They can still get the job done, just slower. The problem is that the rest of the supply chain likely doesn't care, management deadlines likely don't have 'do without AI' timelines any longer, so if we define the "job" as needing to meet the deadlines and not just complete the task eventually, people will find themselves unable to do their "job" without AI.

These both can be simplified as "not being able to do your job without AI", but I propose we have little to gain and a decent bit to lose by doing anything that treats these two situations as the same.

PeterStuer | 6 hours ago

My thinking took a lifetime, my slides an hour or two. It's not the content, its the format.

streetfighter64 | 12 hours ago

I remember back in the days when Word crashed and I hadn't saved saved the last hour of work. A lesson everybody has to learn some day.
Your intern rage quit.

We are all bosses now. Until it gets tired of working for us.

asimovDev | 12 hours ago

I wonder how the presentation is going

fooqux | 12 hours ago

And instead of using your time wisely to finish it manually, you're posting about it on HN?

_heimdall | 11 hours ago

How'd the presentation go?

VCFundedGenYer | 8 hours ago

Oh no, you have to use your brain. Tragedy.

mchivelli | 13 hours ago

I have a bad bad feeling about the outages happening today

esskay | 13 hours ago

its not that deep

polarsanel | 13 hours ago

Could be singularity or just Friday 13th

NamTaf | 12 hours ago

I have a great feeling, it's cruisy as hell without emails! I'm able to get a morning of focus work done without interruption, and then I think it'll be a POETS Day.
So you are just waiting for the HN outage now?

NamTaf | 6 hours ago

Nah, I was kickin' round HN with a beer in hand as I listened to a mate DJ on Twitch. Not a bad afternoon!

(I did log in and do 30 mins work later on once systems were up but we all have our moments of weakness...)

samizdis | 12 hours ago

I've not seen anyone use the term poet's day for many years. My dad used to be a tax accountant for British Rail and said that it was old corporate slang. (Piss off early, tomorrow's Saturday.)

asimovDev | 12 hours ago

good friday gift for europeans who don't work at Microsoft that's for sure

pjc50 | 11 hours ago

Remember all those recent stories about "AI is really good at hacking now"?

Meanwhile SEGA's arcade machines have been offline for days: https://www.techpowerup.com/354714/sega-network-hack-keeps-j... and fanfiction writing site AO3 is down for two weeks so far. Then there's the freezer hacks, one of which impacted the French blood service.

It's been a long time since I read COMP.RISKS (and indeed it's no longer published) but this feels like an unusually high level of incidents.

FinnKuhn | 13 hours ago

It really is Friday the 13th today with outlook and now Claude both being mostly down. I wonder if this is related though. Either way not going to be a great ad for their IPO.

fooqux | 12 hours ago

> Either way not going to be a great ad for their IPO.

Utility customer satisfaction goes up after power outages.

Obviously there are caveats to that. They must be rare, have decent communication, etc. But the point is that people will take always-on services for granted and be reminded of how much their lives are improved when they suddenly don't have them.

sedan_baklazhan | 13 hours ago

Microsoft+Claude make it a perfect AI day.

naich | 13 hours ago

I didn't think an over-reliance on AI and firing all the human coders would come back to bite them so quickly.

sedan_baklazhan | 13 hours ago

I'd guess what we see today is just a demo version of what's coming.

antonvs | 13 hours ago

A trial run.

nicbou | 13 hours ago

I'm more concerned about what's coming when AI works fine. We aren't in the enshittification phase yet.

OnlineTux | 12 hours ago

I think AI started in the shitty phase, we may need a new term for when it gets worse than it already is.

> Great catch!

origini | 11 hours ago

How is this biting anyone?

Its friday, people will just do certain things later.

shusaku | 13 hours ago

I got logged out of Claude in the morning, she couldn’t get back in without email. I guess Anthropic can keep their twenty bucks / days in November, for today.

freecodeio | 13 hours ago

somewhere down the line, a hook that triggers through an outlook email, didn't trigger today

amenghra | 12 hours ago

Don't worry, it'll trigger twice tomorrow. Or the day after. And everything will be fine, right?
It was a load bearing hook.

dude250711 | 13 hours ago

Microsoft PM-s overloading Claude with outage solution prompts.

PowerElectronix | 13 hours ago

Where is your god now?

harry8 | 13 hours ago

Does every large company have a big server with some h100s and a couple of open weight models for just such an occasion. Especially if you don’t have the luxury of being able to wait or postpone eg under cyber attack?

sausagefeet | 13 hours ago

Just get an OpenRouter or Vercel account. Your option aren't pay Anthropic or buy hardware yourself, there are hundreds of providers out there.

lavendermon | 12 hours ago

Claude has us locked in right now while they subsidize cheap usage to get us subscribed and dependent on their monthly plans.
As temporary backup, one can use claude models hosted on GCP - my understanding is that those don't depend on platform.claude.com and should be available even if main claude platform is dead

sausagefeet | 11 hours ago

It depends on what "us" means. I am switched off of Claude almost entirely now except for background things where I want to abuse my subsidized account. Otherwise, OpenRouter + open weight models are my daily drivers. It takes a bunch of work but I'm doing it for roughly a max20 account cost, a bit more, but it's not like the difference is huge. They are less capable but I've modified my workflow to mitigate that as much as possible, and I can still do things when Anthropic goes down.

Alwayshasbeeb | 8 hours ago

What models are you using? I was satisfied with deepseek v4.1 while ai was still using my brain, before being time-pressured into shipping something I don't understand and now I feel I need stronger models to steer it. Kimi K3 or the closed models through openrouter is too expensive compared to subsidized plans though so I'm using a $20 sub for light reviews/consultations.

polarsanel | 13 hours ago

There is an absolute tonne of competition.

wanderingmind | 12 hours ago

Only until NVIDIA starts cryptography verification and block anything not from US closed models, which should be anytime soon

mark_l_watson | 11 hours ago

I hope that doesn’t happen. There is a good alternative: if MOE models work for you, then Apple Silicon does a decent job at inference using whatever harnesses you like.

rfgplk | 13 hours ago

Unacceptable. Just started my workday and four projects are now ruined due to modified source files.

egeozcan | 13 hours ago

"ruined due to modified source files"?

polarsanel | 13 hours ago

Taking immutability discipline to new levels!

contravariant | 12 hours ago

It's one way to describe the way some people write code I suppose.

QuadmasterXLII | 9 hours ago

I think it's a bit. If it is, it's a pretty funny one.

nicce | 13 hours ago

Where is the version control?

greggsy | 13 hours ago

‘Unacceptable’ is exactly what I would say to anyone relying on a cloud service that has exactly zero SLA.

Unless you’re on a negotiated 99.9% contract, you accepted this.

nicce | 10 hours ago

They don't even guarantee that the model stays the same without hidden nerfs. The most obvious thing one would demand if paying for their service.

Geof25 | 11 hours ago

Your next question on Claude should be "how do I setup a git server and how to use it"

gabucino | 13 hours ago

oh no wha happand, how terrible, nooo

syngrog66 | 13 hours ago

millions/billions around the world suddenly lose the ability to speelchek

larodi | 13 hours ago

Good thing is at can expect some compensation such as resets. And yeah - diversify your providers, is the same with electricity from utility perspective…

polarsanel | 13 hours ago

I only have one grid connected where do I get a second?

formerly_proven | 13 hours ago

Large consumers often have two independent grid feeds.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r | 12 hours ago

OK. I’m not a large consumer.

amenghra | 12 hours ago

If you were to setup a GPU cluster in your basement and consume TWs of power, the grid going down would no longer be your problem. It would become their problem! /s

pjc50 | 11 hours ago

.. to the same grid. If you're lucky they're to different substations.

The number of people who had "independent" fiber connections which were routed through the same channel and destroyed by the same backhoe is so high it's a meme among sysadmins.

cowlevel | 11 hours ago

The problem with trying to have two grids is that if anyone ever connects them together, now they're one grid with a weak link in it.

pjc50 | 11 hours ago

See Japan (2) and the US (3).

DC links are now feasible for these situations, and don't have certain failure properties of AC grids (synchronization/frequency/phase).

cowlevel | 11 hours ago

Now they're one grid with a controllable weak link. They might solve the all-or-nothing interconnection problem of AC grids, but they can still cascade failures - and they will, if one goes down and everyone switches to the other.

formerly_proven | an hour ago

The two Japanese systems have 130+ GW of generating capacity each and the links between them have a total capacity of about 2 GW (<1%).

larodi | 13 hours ago

Do you disambiguate between failure of the grid and failure of the usine? Like failure of the power generator is not the same as cut wires. And in terms of AI and internet providers - both can be easily diversified.

Besides, what is it that you guys expect from a large scale provider of essentially experimental technology being tuned live as it goes? Is amazing this all works so good considering the complexity underneath.

ben_w | 12 hours ago

That's what a UPS and a backup generator were for, even before PV and industrial-scale batteries became a thing.
I fully agree on the snark, but if anyone seriously considers backup from grid...

Get an islanding-capable inverter separating your internal power setup from grid, connect it with battery systems - you can control battery charging and have "microgrid UPS" then. Combine it with solar power feeding as second feed into inverter. Scale battery and solar panels as needed. If you have third input, can add three-phase genset (I recommend looking for propane fueled one if you don't want to care about fuel going bad)

polarsanel | 12 hours ago

I have this pretty much and generating way too much power for our needs which is great. And that includes car charging for light but significant use. I export a lot during peak hours from the battery as there is a lot of surplus.

But I was snarking on "provider". There are 100s of providers where I live but one grid and you can't use two concurrently.

My backup in the past has been a local library for internet and laptop power and everything else can wait.

jon-wood | 11 hours ago

This is all getting quite silly but really large sites with critical power needs (hospitals, factories, data centres, etc) will sometimes have two independent grid supplies running in from separate substations, preferably going as far back down the chain as possible before hitting a single point of failure. They'll also have UPS and diesel generators able to kick in and keep things running if somehow they entirely lose grid power. Its all totally doable, but as you say for most people going to the local library or a coffee shop is a perfectly fine fallback plan.

gunalx | 13 hours ago

Time to do some downtime aktivities like in xkcd 303.

user43928 | 13 hours ago

Working fine for me here in Europe.

rikkem | 13 hours ago

Same

esskay | 13 hours ago

it was down in the UK for approx 20 mins but only affected auth

quietsignal | 10 hours ago

Down in Sweden

sandos | 10 hours ago

Received 3 emails in the last 2 hours. But widely communicated that "Teams is the way now!".

Luckily I can sometimes forget to check my email for an entire day, and it nobody even notices. At least _I_ am not that dependent on it.

Also some safe browsing thing is offline.. we just click "disable it and continue"... people are feeling very safe indeed.

AndrewDucker | 13 hours ago

Working fine for me.

Applejinx | 13 hours ago

Is it? Huh

revolution88 | 13 hours ago

sylware | 13 hours ago

Hey claude users: is there a way to access claude without being gated by a whatwg cartel web engine?

makaveli26 | 12 hours ago

"Software is solved" they said.
Just need GitHub to stop by and join the outage party.

makaveli26 | 12 hours ago

And Cloudflare too, please God.

amenghra | 12 hours ago

The two of you are going to jinx it.

krapp | 12 hours ago

Oh no. Anyway...

alpineman | 12 hours ago

Will we be able to call in sick in future if Claude is down?
The prayers to Yellowstone are working. Give the magma chamber everything you’ve got, we are so close to ending it.

Rodmine | 12 hours ago

Imagine relying on AI for work and not having backup.
My strategy: diversification. I run deepseek harness (which I made a vs code integration for and extended it a lot with plugins) and integrated it with my codex and claude subscriptions as well as an openrouter account. This way I can switch models and providers during my sessions and does not get blocked on such things.

Useful for - outages - running out of quota - failing agents e.g. because of "cyber" flaging

Doohickey-d | 12 hours ago

How long has this been working for you? (Or others).

Since Anthropic doesn't seem to like subscriptions being used in third party harness, do they actually enforce that nowadays?

https://github.com/micw/claude-wrapper-advanced I wrap their CLI ^^

Edit: CLI in headless mode is an official feature

Doohickey-d | 5 hours ago

Okay, this is slightly horrifying to me but also a bit genius...

But I guess Anthropic models are trained for Claude Code's tool call shape (i.e. the edit tool). Does it deal well enough with the MCP tools that Deepseek harness gives the model instead?

I don't think that "Anthropic models are trained for Claude Code's tool call shape". It's all about system prompt and model description (which is part of that prompt).

I observe that most models can deal well with the tools you provide.

Form time to time I analyze my sessions to see which tools could improve my (or my agent's) work. E.g. a background timer/watcher is on my todo list, so that I can chat with the agent session while its waiting for some shell response.

thefourthchime | 11 hours ago

For coding, I wouldn't use deepseek as a replacement. At least not for anything hard.

mark_l_watson | 11 hours ago

Except that DeepSeek Harness is very well done. It is not just the model.

mark_l_watson | 11 hours ago

Good diversification. I like to have a strong local model like qwen3.8-flash-next available because I live in the mountains and my Internet is not 100% reliable. I don’t get it that companies allow themselves to get locked in on one vendor. Two or more, with local makes more sense.
You're on HN, and "vendor lock-in" surprises you? ;)

Bender | 6 hours ago

dsh looks intriguing. Do they have any plugins that help effectively extend the context memory of each of the LLM's? I am starting to watch some videos on it but it will take me a while to get through them.
I think there are plenty ways to "extend the context memory". Compaction is the most obvious: reduce old context to it's core and free tokens. Another tool is session search. The models can look back in parts of the session that got "compacted away" and also in other sessions.

But honestly with 500k or 1m token sessions, I rarely run out of context memory and barely notice any loss of precision after compaction.

lousken | 12 hours ago

Future is local, onpremise

yodon | 12 hours ago

> A fix has been deployed for the issue affecting Claude services and we are monitoring for recovery. > Nov 13, 09:58 UTC

julesrms | 11 hours ago

This is where putting a provider-agnostic code agent between you and claude can save your bacon.

I can't speak for how other agents work, but in juggler the conversations are stored in a cross-model format, so if claude runs out of tokens or goes titsup during something urgent, I can just switch models to GPT and carry on without needing to restart the task.

jeffrallen | 11 hours ago

Yup.

exe.dev works the same way.

Also convenient to continue working when security rules cause the agent to refuse to help you. Today I got Claude to finish something GPT refused to do.

EcommerceFlow | 11 hours ago

Maybe I can help mop the warehouse or something until it’s back (I’m half joking at this point…)

antihero | 11 hours ago

Alice what the fuck

RajT88 | 10 hours ago

Claude was down yesterday too - started around the time of the m365 outage for me.

dreamcompiler | 9 hours ago

"I have a drug that will make you twice as smart. Just pay me $20/month for the rest of your life."

"What happens if I stop paying, or Microsoft fucks up and cuts off your supply?"

"You get half as smart as you were before you ever started taking it. First month is free!"

"Sign me up!"

officeplant | 7 hours ago

[clarkson_reaction.gif] Oh no! Anyway.