I think "acceptable" is a better adjective here, though people like to disassociate by using "collateral", like with the school of girls blown up the first day...
Maybe to the end consumer after being integrated into a grid, but the cost to the owner of installed solar/wind energy infrastructure should not change.
Can you show your math explaining how my solar panels change production or retroactively cost more after a war on the other side of the planet? Short of nuclear winter, you can reliably predict what they’ll generate years out with far less volatility.
Oh no, turns out that even if we stop burning oil we still need 6% of it for plastics, clearly this means there's no environmental benefit to reducing how much we ship by 94%, and we can't possibly for example move the plastic production to where the oil comes from so what we ship isn't crude and oh look people are already genetically modifying bacteria to produce oils suitable for various of the huge range of things in the category "plastic", which is such a broad range of things that saying anything about the whole lot in one go is a bit like saying "eat more fruit" when you mean "you are short of vitamin C specifically", oh wait hang on a minute…
About 5kG of polymers per kw. That’s about a gallon of oil if it all came from oil. Where I live a 1kW solar panel offsets 100 litres of oil in a car every year. Oil from a single full tank of petrol could produce enough energy to drive a car about 1 million miles over its lifetime.
Onion headlines aside*, we kinda do? This summer's European heatwave is due to emissions worldwide**; while the historical record has the early emissions from Europe, all the other inhabited continents have also contributed to it since then.
>There's also a big El Niño event, the Wikipedia page on the heatwave currently expressly denies that this contributed
But isn't that accurate? The ENSO is a specific phenomenon in the Pacific and it's not clear to me how that would impact the EU in such a direct manner.
Yes, the main effect of a strongly positive ENSO on Europe may be a reduction in polar vortex instability, resulting in a milder, wetter, and more storm-prone winter.
But given the remoteness of the Pacific and all the other sources of variation in European weather, it's a fairly weak signal with lots of uncertainty (and there's no clear signal at all for summer weather).
I guess you could see it that way but I don’t think that quite fits because the extra heat retention isn’t due to a failure in the solar power system, and was happening before those even existed. Maybe if there was something like a brushfire caused by someone’s system overheating?
Yes, but if we took the enormous amount used for power generation and transportation away we’d buy a lot more runway to migrate aviation and industrial chemistry.
The prices do change because (many, at least) renewable projects are subsidised via CFD schemes and so on and atop of that are selling into a spot market that may (it varies) pay them more than what they offer into the market.
It's wonderful technology, the sun is god and so on, but we can't run everything on bursty renewables.
That’s not external, though: what we’re seeing now are a ton of people struggling because two countries they have no control over are at war. If they used solar and their local government changed the pricing, they’d have some outlet for relief in a way they don’t now.
Yep, that's one of the reasons it is called "green" energy. On top of renewability, the environmental impact of production is radically different from fossil fuels.
The price of solar power is governed by the events happening in China. It just happens that the situation in China is pretty good because their military are the most competent in practice out of all the major players. At least so far.
> In addition to being cheaper...
It might even be cheaper, we're looking for the tipping point. But if it is actually cheaper to get power from solar energy, people will just switch to it at high speed. The reason the world runs on something like 80% fossil fuel is because solar has, so far, manifestly not been a cheaper source of energy than fossil fuels.
If you ignore the fact that people would have to go without energy then sure, it'd be great. But the practical reality is the downsides of oil are much smaller than the downsides of not having cheap, accessible energy. Which is why the world persists in using coal and oil.
> The price of solar power is governed by the events happening in China.
Events in China do not retroactively change your solar panels or wind farm. You might choose to buy from a different supplier but there’s no equivalent of all of the people who are now struggling with food and housing insecurity because of two other countries fighting thousands of miles away.
> But if it is actually cheaper to get power from solar energy, people will just switch to it at high speed.
This is in process now, but there are efforts by the fossil fuel industry to prevent that. Nowhere is that more obvious than in the United States where laws are being broken at the federal level to prevent cheaper renewable projects from going online, but it’s common to other corrupt petro-states as well.
nuclear is safer (per deaths per TWh installed) and more reliable than solar or wind energy though
"The data available on fatal falls from height would indicate that rooftop solar power is several times more dangerous than wind power or nuclear power (0.44 deaths per terawatt hour each year compared with 0.15 and 0.04 deaths respectively)"
"Government (South Korea) data reported 28 worker deaths during solar installation projects from 2020 through the first half of 2025 (about 5–6 deaths per year on average)."
CrzyLngPwd | 7 hours ago
hdgvhicv | 6 hours ago
stingraycharles | 6 hours ago
readthenotes1 | 6 hours ago
I think "acceptable" is a better adjective here, though people like to disassociate by using "collateral", like with the school of girls blown up the first day...
throw1234567891 | 7 hours ago
acdha | 6 hours ago
epolanski | 6 hours ago
That includes renewables.
nisegami | 6 hours ago
acdha | 3 minutes ago
ekianjo | 6 hours ago
savolai | 6 hours ago
ThrowawayTestr | 6 hours ago
ben_w | 6 hours ago
hdgvhicv | 6 hours ago
ben_w | 6 hours ago
* https://theonion.com/solar-power-investment-skyrockets-upon-...
** There's also a big El Niño event, the Wikipedia page on the heatwave currently expressly denies that this contributed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_European_heatwaves
dyzone | 6 hours ago
Well technically speaking crude oil is a form of solar energy. (Sun -> plants -> animals -> crude oil)
MikeNotThePope | 6 hours ago
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stingraycharles | 6 hours ago
_joel | 6 hours ago
[OP] binyu | 5 hours ago
_joel | 4 hours ago
ben_w | 6 hours ago
We can do fusion, but given the only large sources of that are fusion bombs and nobody wants a bomb-based power plant… :P
x______________ | 6 hours ago
Nukes for the win!
nisegami | 6 hours ago
But isn't that accurate? The ENSO is a specific phenomenon in the Pacific and it's not clear to me how that would impact the EU in such a direct manner.
roryirvine | 4 hours ago
But given the remoteness of the Pacific and all the other sources of variation in European weather, it's a fairly weak signal with lots of uncertainty (and there's no clear signal at all for summer weather).
acdha | 9 minutes ago
andsoitis | 6 hours ago
Symbiote | 6 hours ago
The rest is for energy, mostly for transport.
acdha | 15 minutes ago
mhh__ | 6 hours ago
It's wonderful technology, the sun is god and so on, but we can't run everything on bursty renewables.
acdha | 7 minutes ago
[OP] binyu | 6 hours ago
gertrunde | 6 hours ago
Like... A hurricane?
Sun spill?
Like... A coronal mass ejection?
sd9 | 6 hours ago
acdha | 6 minutes ago
roenxi | 5 hours ago
> In addition to being cheaper...
It might even be cheaper, we're looking for the tipping point. But if it is actually cheaper to get power from solar energy, people will just switch to it at high speed. The reason the world runs on something like 80% fossil fuel is because solar has, so far, manifestly not been a cheaper source of energy than fossil fuels.
If you ignore the fact that people would have to go without energy then sure, it'd be great. But the practical reality is the downsides of oil are much smaller than the downsides of not having cheap, accessible energy. Which is why the world persists in using coal and oil.
ZeroGravitas | 4 hours ago
This tracks with it being cheaper which it basically has been for that decade.
The market has spoken but some people who claim to like markets aren't listening.
acdha | 12 minutes ago
Events in China do not retroactively change your solar panels or wind farm. You might choose to buy from a different supplier but there’s no equivalent of all of the people who are now struggling with food and housing insecurity because of two other countries fighting thousands of miles away.
> But if it is actually cheaper to get power from solar energy, people will just switch to it at high speed.
This is in process now, but there are efforts by the fossil fuel industry to prevent that. Nowhere is that more obvious than in the United States where laws are being broken at the federal level to prevent cheaper renewable projects from going online, but it’s common to other corrupt petro-states as well.
Markoff | 54 minutes ago
"The data available on fatal falls from height would indicate that rooftop solar power is several times more dangerous than wind power or nuclear power (0.44 deaths per terawatt hour each year compared with 0.15 and 0.04 deaths respectively)"
https://osha.europa.eu/sites/default/files/E-fact68.pdf
"Government (South Korea) data reported 28 worker deaths during solar installation projects from 2020 through the first half of 2025 (about 5–6 deaths per year on average)."
https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20251015163100530