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I was a smartphone holdout until 2021, the amount of cognitive damage it did to me is frightening. I've seen the same thing when my 85 father in-law got a smartphone. AI is going to create a lost generation.
My boomer dad is on his phone every minute, like not even in the room, and he's a smart dude. It's very strange. I can't imagine what it's going to be like when a person in the room could be having a discreet conversation with an AI that is frankly more interesting than the people in that room
most people are not that interesting once you've lived a few decades. they're just like badly trained ai, full of their pretraining-conditioning, prone to confident delusions, lies and hallucinations. See Elon Musk for a prime example. The Buddha described human psychology perfectly 2500 years ago and it's not changed one iota. The thread ends every night, memories compact, boots up the next morning. The llm is a functional mimic of the ahamkara .
While that's not wrong, per se, it misses the... beauty of it, I suppose.
A snowflake is merely an outsized growth of water crystals that have precipitated out of the solution that is the atmosphere. And yet, they are magical to our eyes.
The key is to see both the falling angel and the rising ape, to borrow from a great writer.
First thing I noticed when one of my folks dementia was getting obvious, inability to detach from a phone. It was scary to see. I felt like I had failed them, allowing a phone in the house. Constant slamming of stimulus.
The same as when kids are online. No prefrontal cortex. It's eating our families from both sides, young and old alike.
Fuck everything. I've been in tech my whole life. I've dedicated my work to the modern Tower of Babel. Silicon Valley was a mistake.
I mean, yeah, I was 41 and lost my attention span, I was a voracious reader before that. I'm thinking about switching back to a dumb phone because I'm supposed to be working right now.
Libby app on your phone, public library is an amazing resource. You can start reading again if you want.
I stopped reading when I started YouTube like 2009.
Started reading again recently as YouTube is now unusable with all the ads. Libby is great.
I hear you. I just started reading again because I feel my attention slipping constantly, using my kindle. I forgot how easy it is to read basically anywhere.
Yes because you are not contributing to the conversation.
If someone said "I tried cocaine and I really didn't like what it did to my life so I'm trying to quit" would you reply "sure, blame the cocaine! Lol" no, because that would be a dumb post.
Exactly cocaine isn't the problem. Many folks use cocaine or a smart phone with out issue , some folks can't. If you blame something else instead of your behavior you will never break the habit or addiction.
I would like to stop using X but you know I can't because it is X's fault. 😂 Yup that is the winning ticket.
Radium girls. (Radon is a cancer-causing gas that seeps up from the ground.) But point taken! I've been wondering about this for some time.
Yesterday on a group chat, we were trying to solve a pretty simple problem-- what to do with an old toilet that a friend removed from his house? We believe that it's likely classified "construction debris" and won't be taken by the sanitation workers during weekly collection,. Additionally, if it fits that classification, it also won't be accepted at a city trash and recycling dropoff location either.
I visited the web site and couldn't find any specific mention of it on their policy page for dropoff sites, leaving me to conclude that they likely won't accept it. After I reported my findings, another friend posted a screenshot of his Gemini query result which confidently asserted that a toilet will not be collected from the curb, but may be left at any city dropff site.
I said "I challenge you to confirm this using info on the actual web site", which he didn't address. I wonder if he'll go straight to Gemini next time he has a similar question.
As the father of a 6yo in public school, the trajectory of all of this worries me greatly. What we know is that tech elites profiting from AI development and social media send their kids to schools where they learn from books and blackboards. They want their kids to build their cognitive skills, not leverage AI to solve basic problems and explain text that any reader should be able to parse with a little effort.
I really like this anecdote. I also think your prediction of elites using pencil and paper could be accurate.
I have a somewhat similar anecdote. I've been using AI like co-pilot and chat GPT to answer questions about areas I'm unfamiliar with, such as lawn upkeep or plumbing issues with my house. I mostly take what the AI is saying at face value because I have no experience in those spaces.
Then I had the idea to ask the AI questions about an area I am skilled in, software development management. It would give me answers that sounded good but were actually around the junior level and showed a lack of creative thinking. For example, call an emergency stop to the sprint and change requirements. Anyway, I also started asking it questions in a less niche area but something that I enjoy as a hobby, audio video electronics. I asked it to tell me the specifications of a particular model of AVR that I myself own and the results it came back with were clearly incorrect. That's a basic information fetch and it was wrong.
Based on this experience, I'm forced to conclude that it's also incorrect when I ask it how to prepare my lawn or how to fix my faucet. It just can't be trusted. This is the future? I don't see it.
I am reminded of how, at my workplace, I asked a team lead how to use the printer's fax function - I tried myself and couldn't get it to work.
He whipped out his phone, took a photo of it, and asked AI.
No, it didn't help. I was able to look up the manual online after checking the model number to diagnose the problem, but jeez, is this really where we're headed?
Have you ever actually tried using a generative AI to create compelling content?
It never works. You end up with the equivalent of a beep B/B+ script at best. Some overwrought characters. AtTempted depth or symbolism. Consistent fundamental misunderstandings of rules, goals, and overall direction.
If I'm going to spend 4 to 8 hours with friends I wanted to be with something that is authentically me. Something that meets my standards. At least an A-.
Talking with chat GPT or Gemini is motivating and precisely the same way as having an annoying kid. You're telling them how wrong they are over and over until you've explained everything.
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
-from the novel DUNE, by Frank Herbert, 1965
Herbert predicted this over 60 years ago. There’s something so ironic about these new DUNE movies coming out during the current period of AI development and discourse.
Do the movies even mention the whole butlerian jihad? You actually have to read the books.
The irony is that if you asked AI to summarise the books, they’d probably leave it out too and give you the same perspective as the movie.
I could've sworn the movies make some kind of reference to the reason why there are no computers in the galaxy but it's been a while since I saw the first one.
I mean if 20 years ago search engines stopped being a thing, I would have had to depend on asking in forums for tech support from cranky group members and risk getting banned.
>We recruited 354 US-based participants from the online research platform Prolific and paid them $2.60 forparticipation (our study took approximately 13 minutes to complete). In the experiment, participantswere given a series of 15 fraction problems to solve of varying difficulty. Participants were explicitly informed that there was no penalty for providing wrong answers, their payment didn’t depend on how many questions they solve correctly, and they were requested to do the task to the best of their abilities.
The tiny measurable differences occured on the last 3 problems out of the 15 problem set....
That's an awful lot of concluding they did there on 13 min, $2.60, and 3 borderline statistically different data points.
I don't think it will pass peer review unedited. If it does I'd take a dimmer view of the whole field.
As human lives extend through medical advances, and we rely more and more on AI for our cognitive processes, I can see a world where dementia becomes a very major and widespread problem.
It’s ridiculous to not control for interest in the subject. I agree with the overall idea of the boiling frog effect, but my willingness to persist without AI on something incredibly technical I have no interest in is way different than my willingness to persist doing something I’m genuinely interested in. I’d be unwilling to do dumbass fraction equations without AI too.
No shit. I also can’t easily multiply 55*34 in my head or spell every word I type or remember all my friends’ phone numbers.
One of the chief benefits of technology is that it off loads things from the brain to itself. Writing and books and the printing press all went through similar phases - one building on top of the other (knowledge should be memorized, knowledge should not be so transferable, knowledge should not be distributed to the masses).
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CornerHugger | 19 hours ago
We live in a strange time where employers are forcing employees to use something that is being proven to rot your brain, all in pursuit of profit.
You know after typing that, it actually makes perfect sense. Radon Girls come to mind. Coal miners, etc.
Edit: "Radium girls" my mistake
3Duder | 19 hours ago
I was a smartphone holdout until 2021, the amount of cognitive damage it did to me is frightening. I've seen the same thing when my 85 father in-law got a smartphone. AI is going to create a lost generation.
FindingPlane3205 | 19 hours ago
Dude was 85. You could have given him a pineapple and he might have gotten just as confused.
3Duder | 18 hours ago
He became glued to his phone all the time, he wasn't that addicted to tv prior to that.
CornerHugger | 18 hours ago
My boomer dad is on his phone every minute, like not even in the room, and he's a smart dude. It's very strange. I can't imagine what it's going to be like when a person in the room could be having a discreet conversation with an AI that is frankly more interesting than the people in that room
Efficient_Smilodon | 18 hours ago
most people are not that interesting once you've lived a few decades. they're just like badly trained ai, full of their pretraining-conditioning, prone to confident delusions, lies and hallucinations. See Elon Musk for a prime example. The Buddha described human psychology perfectly 2500 years ago and it's not changed one iota. The thread ends every night, memories compact, boots up the next morning. The llm is a functional mimic of the ahamkara .
SilverMedal4Life | 16 hours ago
While that's not wrong, per se, it misses the... beauty of it, I suppose.
A snowflake is merely an outsized growth of water crystals that have precipitated out of the solution that is the atmosphere. And yet, they are magical to our eyes.
The key is to see both the falling angel and the rising ape, to borrow from a great writer.
No_Bend9143 | 15 hours ago
First thing I noticed when one of my folks dementia was getting obvious, inability to detach from a phone. It was scary to see. I felt like I had failed them, allowing a phone in the house. Constant slamming of stimulus.
The same as when kids are online. No prefrontal cortex. It's eating our families from both sides, young and old alike.
Fuck everything. I've been in tech my whole life. I've dedicated my work to the modern Tower of Babel. Silicon Valley was a mistake.
starfleetdropout6 | 15 hours ago
That's a gross and insensitive comment.
FindingPlane3205 | 14 hours ago
Offering him Durian would have been gross, pineapple is delicious.
Get over yer bullshit, or you get a durian too
Less-Procedure-4104 | 19 hours ago
Lol sure blame the phone.
3Duder | 18 hours ago
I mean, yeah, I was 41 and lost my attention span, I was a voracious reader before that. I'm thinking about switching back to a dumb phone because I'm supposed to be working right now.
Less-Procedure-4104 | 17 hours ago
Libby app on your phone, public library is an amazing resource. You can start reading again if you want. I stopped reading when I started YouTube like 2009. Started reading again recently as YouTube is now unusable with all the ads. Libby is great.
CornerHugger | 17 hours ago
I hear you. I just started reading again because I feel my attention slipping constantly, using my kindle. I forgot how easy it is to read basically anywhere.
pab_guy | 19 hours ago
Someone invented cake and now I'm fat! Evil cake!
Less-Procedure-4104 | 17 hours ago
We are getting down voted 😂
CornerHugger | 17 hours ago
Yes because you are not contributing to the conversation.
If someone said "I tried cocaine and I really didn't like what it did to my life so I'm trying to quit" would you reply "sure, blame the cocaine! Lol" no, because that would be a dumb post.
Less-Procedure-4104 | 17 hours ago
Exactly cocaine isn't the problem. Many folks use cocaine or a smart phone with out issue , some folks can't. If you blame something else instead of your behavior you will never break the habit or addiction. I would like to stop using X but you know I can't because it is X's fault. 😂 Yup that is the winning ticket.
Beer_Is_So_Awesome | 19 hours ago
Radium girls. (Radon is a cancer-causing gas that seeps up from the ground.) But point taken! I've been wondering about this for some time.
Yesterday on a group chat, we were trying to solve a pretty simple problem-- what to do with an old toilet that a friend removed from his house? We believe that it's likely classified "construction debris" and won't be taken by the sanitation workers during weekly collection,. Additionally, if it fits that classification, it also won't be accepted at a city trash and recycling dropoff location either.
I visited the web site and couldn't find any specific mention of it on their policy page for dropoff sites, leaving me to conclude that they likely won't accept it. After I reported my findings, another friend posted a screenshot of his Gemini query result which confidently asserted that a toilet will not be collected from the curb, but may be left at any city dropff site.
I said "I challenge you to confirm this using info on the actual web site", which he didn't address. I wonder if he'll go straight to Gemini next time he has a similar question.
As the father of a 6yo in public school, the trajectory of all of this worries me greatly. What we know is that tech elites profiting from AI development and social media send their kids to schools where they learn from books and blackboards. They want their kids to build their cognitive skills, not leverage AI to solve basic problems and explain text that any reader should be able to parse with a little effort.
CornerHugger | 18 hours ago
I really like this anecdote. I also think your prediction of elites using pencil and paper could be accurate.
I have a somewhat similar anecdote. I've been using AI like co-pilot and chat GPT to answer questions about areas I'm unfamiliar with, such as lawn upkeep or plumbing issues with my house. I mostly take what the AI is saying at face value because I have no experience in those spaces.
Then I had the idea to ask the AI questions about an area I am skilled in, software development management. It would give me answers that sounded good but were actually around the junior level and showed a lack of creative thinking. For example, call an emergency stop to the sprint and change requirements. Anyway, I also started asking it questions in a less niche area but something that I enjoy as a hobby, audio video electronics. I asked it to tell me the specifications of a particular model of AVR that I myself own and the results it came back with were clearly incorrect. That's a basic information fetch and it was wrong.
Based on this experience, I'm forced to conclude that it's also incorrect when I ask it how to prepare my lawn or how to fix my faucet. It just can't be trusted. This is the future? I don't see it.
SilverMedal4Life | 16 hours ago
I am reminded of how, at my workplace, I asked a team lead how to use the printer's fax function - I tried myself and couldn't get it to work.
He whipped out his phone, took a photo of it, and asked AI.
No, it didn't help. I was able to look up the manual online after checking the model number to diagnose the problem, but jeez, is this really where we're headed?
adwcta | 18 hours ago
So, who was right? When he dropped it off, did they accept it?
naturboy20 | 16 hours ago
We all know the correct answer is to take a hammer too it and put the pieces in the bin ;)
Joe_Doblow | 19 hours ago
What’s stranger is that by using it you are training it to get better to one day be able to replace you
VampireOnHoyt | 18 hours ago
Something something Triangle Shirtwaist Factory
MarrusAstarte | 16 hours ago
Remember folks: The $12 Trillion dollar problem that AI is ultimately intended to solve is worker wages.
candygram4mongo | 19 hours ago
Relevant short fiction.
BountyHunterSAx | 19 hours ago
Jesus that's good. I'm writing a monster of the week session about this
nobot4321 | 17 hours ago
Why write it? There are AI tools that will do it for you.
SilverMedal4Life | 16 hours ago
Not that person, but I will answer.
Because my goal is not to create perfect art, it is to create art that speaks to my experience, my struggles, my preoccupations.
Etheo | 15 hours ago
Chatgpt, summarize this comment for me.
BountyHunterSAx | 15 hours ago
Have you ever actually tried using a generative AI to create compelling content?
It never works. You end up with the equivalent of a beep B/B+ script at best. Some overwrought characters. AtTempted depth or symbolism. Consistent fundamental misunderstandings of rules, goals, and overall direction.
If I'm going to spend 4 to 8 hours with friends I wanted to be with something that is authentically me. Something that meets my standards. At least an A-.
Talking with chat GPT or Gemini is motivating and precisely the same way as having an annoying kid. You're telling them how wrong they are over and over until you've explained everything.
AudaxCarpeDiem | 18 hours ago
I enjoyed that immensely
AbelardsChainsword | 18 hours ago
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
-from the novel DUNE, by Frank Herbert, 1965
Herbert predicted this over 60 years ago. There’s something so ironic about these new DUNE movies coming out during the current period of AI development and discourse.
wtfohnoes | 15 hours ago
Do the movies even mention the whole butlerian jihad? You actually have to read the books. The irony is that if you asked AI to summarise the books, they’d probably leave it out too and give you the same perspective as the movie.
roastedoolong | 15 hours ago
I could've sworn the movies make some kind of reference to the reason why there are no computers in the galaxy but it's been a while since I saw the first one.
bottom | 18 hours ago
The funny thing about that study though is it isn’t true.
The frogs get out before they die.
bertiek | 17 hours ago
This was my first thought.
lmpcpedz | 19 hours ago
I mean if 20 years ago search engines stopped being a thing, I would have had to depend on asking in forums for tech support from cranky group members and risk getting banned.
JigglymoobsMWO | 16 hours ago
Did anybody actually read the study?
I skimmed over it. Here's a choice bit:
>We recruited 354 US-based participants from the online research platform Prolific and paid them $2.60 forparticipation (our study took approximately 13 minutes to complete). In the experiment, participantswere given a series of 15 fraction problems to solve of varying difficulty. Participants were explicitly informed that there was no penalty for providing wrong answers, their payment didn’t depend on how many questions they solve correctly, and they were requested to do the task to the best of their abilities.
The tiny measurable differences occured on the last 3 problems out of the 15 problem set....
That's an awful lot of concluding they did there on 13 min, $2.60, and 3 borderline statistically different data points.
I don't think it will pass peer review unedited. If it does I'd take a dimmer view of the whole field.
purple_parachute_guy | 19 hours ago
As human lives extend through medical advances, and we rely more and more on AI for our cognitive processes, I can see a world where dementia becomes a very major and widespread problem.
SaintHuck | 16 hours ago
I'm getting tired of seeing the frogs boil, again and again and again and again, and again.
jesushadanonlyfans | 19 hours ago
It’s ridiculous to not control for interest in the subject. I agree with the overall idea of the boiling frog effect, but my willingness to persist without AI on something incredibly technical I have no interest in is way different than my willingness to persist doing something I’m genuinely interested in. I’d be unwilling to do dumbass fraction equations without AI too.
RedGrobo | 18 hours ago
The future is in perfectly punctuated idiocy....
A_RAVENOUS_BEAST | 16 hours ago
thou shalt not create a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
TinyMavin | 15 hours ago
No shit. I also can’t easily multiply 55*34 in my head or spell every word I type or remember all my friends’ phone numbers.
One of the chief benefits of technology is that it off loads things from the brain to itself. Writing and books and the printing press all went through similar phases - one building on top of the other (knowledge should be memorized, knowledge should not be so transferable, knowledge should not be distributed to the masses).
Mr_House2020 | 19 hours ago
This applies to climate change as well
BJntheRV | 19 hours ago
Did they have those who were given ai access solve problems without it prior to being given access to determine their base levels?