Democracy advocate and scholars have been sending up warning flags for more than a year. The only question at this point is if our democracy is reparable, recoverable... Unfortunately most signs point to no.
enact the montana plan in california, uncap the house, create the 15 seat rotating SCOTUS bench; more to do, but further reforms will be much easier after those three.
It's not about fun or revenge, it's about US democracy surviving. There are examples throughout history that after what we've gone through rule of law has to be reaffirmed, which means in part (also Epstein files) that the folks under Trump who helped pull apart our democracy have to be jailed.
Nothing else matters if #1 isn't achieved because the next time GOP gets in office they know that rules no longer exist.
Can you please direct me to some of the measurable signs that indicate how democracy is permanently over in the US?
Because I want to weigh facts judiciously, and to me, that vague assertion sounds like you're repeating defeatist propaganda designed to reduce civic engagement.
Or maybe you're just discouraged.
But if you could show your math, or provide some dependable sources, that would be a real service, that could actually help people make decisions.
Something more substantial than a bit from a stand-up comedian, or an article in a news outlet that is compromised by right-wing money, would be appreciated.
Check out VDem, international IDEA, Freedom House or the Economist Intelligence Unit if you're interested in the current failure and unravelling of US democracy. All have done consistent comparative studies of democracies with metrics and/or expert advice for years. Much has been written about this, particularly since Trump's second election...
Honestly however I suspect you're just being snarky and have no interest in reading anything rather than wanting me to c/p study links to you. In which case, fuck yourself.
Any snark that you detect is because it's usually like pulling teeth to get sources on Reddit these days. I will have a look at these you have offered. Thank you.
Further, and other considerations notwithstanding, I'd like you to know that I do fully intend to thoroughly fuck myself in the near future, as I like to keep limber, and stay in practice. I hope that this pleases you.
Though, if your pronouncement about the complete and permanent end of democracy is unreservedly accurate, any efforts I make to fuck myself will be redundant, as we will all be fucked dry anyway.
I wanna apologize then for what it's worth. This place can be the WORST when talking about anything related to politics, and so I assumed the worst. I've been a scholar of government and specifically democracy for years but I tend not to toss credentials around the internet as they're pointless. During trump v1 things were bad but the influence of the heritage foundation weirdos and project 2025 in trump 2 really cannot be overstated.
The impact to our democracy, and our standing in the world (and the benefit that had to random Americans lives) cannot be overstated. These jackasses undid essentially a century worth of work for the sake of grift, racism, and spite. It's been interesting watching the economy collapse, all while our news media pretends this is normal. It's been wild observing our making enemies of all our old allies before rushing into and aggressively losing a war of choice in Iran. It's been horrifying witnessing the utter collapse of the concept of rule of law, and understanding that this isn't the sort of thing that just bounces back.
Definitely I urge you to look into those sources I shared. What id say beyond that is don't despair, try to do something to make life better.
Every democracy seem to run its course sooner or latter almost due to some form of ever increasing entropy in laws and loopholes. Without a reset it doesnt look practical for any stable democracy like system to exist for thousands of years without going into some dark age like situation.
By many metrics the US is the longest functioning democracy that hasn't had major resets in policy. And where it can be considered weak, its growth could also be attributed to those "features" in part. So it stands to reason that the US is definitely a sign of things for elsewhere.
The issue is capitalism (and the historical equivalents). When you have an economic system that is antithetical to democracy, it will eventually corrupt the democracy.
But the big issue for America in particular is that we were barely democratic to begin with. Then we got a little more democratic, and then a lot less, and now we're rushing to that finish line.
idredd | 17 hours ago
Democracy advocate and scholars have been sending up warning flags for more than a year. The only question at this point is if our democracy is reparable, recoverable... Unfortunately most signs point to no.
roastbeeftacohat | 12 hours ago
enact the montana plan in california, uncap the house, create the 15 seat rotating SCOTUS bench; more to do, but further reforms will be much easier after those three.
idredd | 11 hours ago
Those are indeed huge and would do a great deal of good. If I had to pick two semi immediate requirements to get us on the right footing they'd be
some sort of official inquiry/trial post trump, if people do not go to jail for attempting to overthrow our democracy we are doomed as a state
end citizens united
roastbeeftacohat | 9 hours ago
1 would be a lot of fun, but with a sufficiently aggressive AG I'm fine with that on a back burner. 2 is a multi decade process.
idredd | 9 hours ago
It's not about fun or revenge, it's about US democracy surviving. There are examples throughout history that after what we've gone through rule of law has to be reaffirmed, which means in part (also Epstein files) that the folks under Trump who helped pull apart our democracy have to be jailed.
Nothing else matters if #1 isn't achieved because the next time GOP gets in office they know that rules no longer exist.
denisebuttrey | 7 hours ago
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phenomenomnom | 13 hours ago
>most signs point to no
Can you please direct me to some of the measurable signs that indicate how democracy is permanently over in the US?
Because I want to weigh facts judiciously, and to me, that vague assertion sounds like you're repeating defeatist propaganda designed to reduce civic engagement.
Or maybe you're just discouraged.
But if you could show your math, or provide some dependable sources, that would be a real service, that could actually help people make decisions.
Something more substantial than a bit from a stand-up comedian, or an article in a news outlet that is compromised by right-wing money, would be appreciated.
idredd | 11 hours ago
Check out VDem, international IDEA, Freedom House or the Economist Intelligence Unit if you're interested in the current failure and unravelling of US democracy. All have done consistent comparative studies of democracies with metrics and/or expert advice for years. Much has been written about this, particularly since Trump's second election...
Honestly however I suspect you're just being snarky and have no interest in reading anything rather than wanting me to c/p study links to you. In which case, fuck yourself.
phenomenomnom | 9 hours ago
Any snark that you detect is because it's usually like pulling teeth to get sources on Reddit these days. I will have a look at these you have offered. Thank you.
Further, and other considerations notwithstanding, I'd like you to know that I do fully intend to thoroughly fuck myself in the near future, as I like to keep limber, and stay in practice. I hope that this pleases you.
Though, if your pronouncement about the complete and permanent end of democracy is unreservedly accurate, any efforts I make to fuck myself will be redundant, as we will all be fucked dry anyway.
idredd | 6 hours ago
I wanna apologize then for what it's worth. This place can be the WORST when talking about anything related to politics, and so I assumed the worst. I've been a scholar of government and specifically democracy for years but I tend not to toss credentials around the internet as they're pointless. During trump v1 things were bad but the influence of the heritage foundation weirdos and project 2025 in trump 2 really cannot be overstated.
The impact to our democracy, and our standing in the world (and the benefit that had to random Americans lives) cannot be overstated. These jackasses undid essentially a century worth of work for the sake of grift, racism, and spite. It's been interesting watching the economy collapse, all while our news media pretends this is normal. It's been wild observing our making enemies of all our old allies before rushing into and aggressively losing a war of choice in Iran. It's been horrifying witnessing the utter collapse of the concept of rule of law, and understanding that this isn't the sort of thing that just bounces back.
Definitely I urge you to look into those sources I shared. What id say beyond that is don't despair, try to do something to make life better.
Apologies again for the initial reaction.
BallsOfStonk | 6 hours ago
Only 50?
mamaBiskothu | 4 hours ago
Thats the stupid part. The other side also tries to mellow down the situation.
Theres no way this country was as corrupt and far away from democracy at any point in history.
-Clayburn | 14 hours ago
Probably wasn't very high to begin with or it would never have gotten this bad.
CaptainAsshat | 13 hours ago
That's not how it works. Democracy requires constant maintenance.
roastbeeftacohat | 8 hours ago
what he's suggesting is lack of maintenance has led to an exponential problem.
mamaBiskothu | 4 hours ago
Every democracy seem to run its course sooner or latter almost due to some form of ever increasing entropy in laws and loopholes. Without a reset it doesnt look practical for any stable democracy like system to exist for thousands of years without going into some dark age like situation.
By many metrics the US is the longest functioning democracy that hasn't had major resets in policy. And where it can be considered weak, its growth could also be attributed to those "features" in part. So it stands to reason that the US is definitely a sign of things for elsewhere.
-Clayburn | 4 hours ago
The issue is capitalism (and the historical equivalents). When you have an economic system that is antithetical to democracy, it will eventually corrupt the democracy.
But the big issue for America in particular is that we were barely democratic to begin with. Then we got a little more democratic, and then a lot less, and now we're rushing to that finish line.