Sparks of Weight-Space Programming: LLMs can natively read & write neural network weights

42 points by timschumi 22 hours ago on lobsters | 10 comments

joshka | 14 hours ago

The is actually nuts.

hwayne | 2 hours ago

Student | an hour ago

The fact that astra had access to tools doesn’t really reduce the impact of this. The question is what can it do if you load it up with tools and enough time to try to improve itself.

icefox | 2 hours ago

Obvious question is, if an LLM can take apart the weights of another (simpler) LLM, can we make tools that do it for us in more rigorous ways?

Edit: Next question is, how well does this actually work on sample sizes greater than 4?

k749gtnc9l3w | 2 hours ago

Kind of? Needs more research to see how close it is to the previous work…

  • Ablation-style tooling
  • Qwenputer-like things (maybe out of more complicated/substantially-neural blocks, though)
  • Taardis «doctors» work (finding what causes the loops in weakened models obtained from stronger ones, and counteracting it)
  • Interpretability via finding directions in high-dimensional space

nicoco | 9 hours ago

Pretty crazy, BUT...

astra-6 with no tool

How can we be sure what this really uses under the hood? Neural nets are black boxes in general, commercial LLM-based providers are even blacker boxes.

joshka | 7 hours ago

This means none provided by the harness, not no tools ever. Several of the experiments provided tools (python and other things), and the logs of both directions including what astra reported as reasoning summaries are linked on the blog post. internal python calculator use would likely tend to show up in the logs if that happened.

Student | 5 hours ago

I’m kind of spooked. I wonder what astra could do with more tools and a prompt to brainstorm research directions and tooling to generate new architectures then transfer weights in.

k749gtnc9l3w | 2 hours ago

I am also spooked that this might allow to build Vantablack boxes instead of black boxes, and we know people don't evaluate things seriously before deploying them unsupervised…

Student | an hour ago

This definitely makes it seem like recursive self improvement is within reach, and requires really only putting the resources at the disposal of an llm-driven setup, with a level of cleverness that definitely exists in the frontier labs.