It's been a while, but I paid for porn. I'll tell you why: searching for free porn is incredibly frustrating.
If you have a fetish or a particular type or have a performer you like, you have to spend most of your time bookmarking free videos that are always getting taken down. God forbid you find someone you like and the uploader didn't put their name in the meta description.
The user experience for tube sites is terrible. Those sites are full of pop-up ads and malicious software. The videos constantly buffer, even with high-speed internet. Audio ads are now played on top of videos. There's no guarantee that what you searched for is what you find in the video.
It's just less frustrating and more convenient to go to a website that has your login info.
>If you have a fetish or a particular type or have a performer you like, you have to spend most of your time bookmarking free videos that are always getting taken down.
You're just.doing free porn wrong. Spin up Virtual Machine, use a trustworthy VPN, adblockers in brower, and either an adguard or pinole server to block known malicious domains, etc.
I pay for porn. I have disposable income, I think people who creat something I enjoy should be paid for it, and I like this particular studio. Plus, it’s only $10 a month.
I don't think it's that rare. Sure, free websites exist, but you are getting free samples or pirated content.
And if you happen to like any kind of niche porn, the pool dries up pretty quickly, so it's good to keep the people making new content going. This is probably the most important reason: for many onlyfans and the like are similar to to patreon.
I do, because people who create it deserve to be paid for what they do (sex work is work) and also it allows me to support a studio that pays its actors fairly and doesn't exploit them. There's a LOT of exploitation and trafficking out there and I want to ensure the content I'm viewing doesn't involve either.
I saw some women sharing their OF status somewhere. They showed that “top 5%” was like $500/month in earnings. Like streaming, there’s millions of people doing it. But the successful have a hook and work for it. There’s also a good bit of luck I imagine.
I'm not going to link it but there are subreddits for OF women and yeah, most make dollars a day. They are competing with others around the world and everyone thinks they can get rich quick. There are so many posts like 'I need $1000 in a week for rent' and that isn't how it works. Also now with AI reverse image search, if you show your face, you might get doxxed and/or blackmailed. People threaten to out them to their families.
80/20 rule stuff, like music, sports, video game design, etc. A handful get mega lucky and make $$$$$, a few do pretty well, and most make unimpressive money or struggle.
that said, if you're a single mom working at Wal-Mart $300/month covers groceries and netflix. and, like, if you were gonna rub one out anyways...
“There are so many sensationalized stories of young women just willy-nilly making an OnlyFans account, and now, all of a sudden, they made a million dollars in a month,” Siri Dahl, an adult performer, online content creator, and sex workers’ rights activist, tells Playboy. “That is the exception to the rule.The average creator makes a couple hundred dollars, ever, on their OnlyFans account. The people who actually consistently make good income on there are very, very dedicated to running it like a business.”
Dahl started her OnlyFans account in 2019, but has been working in the adult industry since 2012. The site, where she has about 5,000 subscribers, is currently her main income driver, meaning it’s a full-time job. On top of the time she spends on filming and editing content, planning shoots, and pre-production, Dahl estimates she also spends at least four hours per day monitoring and replying to DMs and answering custom content requests. She handles all of her own messages, but popular creators have increasingly turned to outsourcing the work or even using AI chatbots to navigate their overflowing inboxes.
“There have been two class action lawsuits started against OnlyFans in the last couple years by fans that used the platform and were like, ‘Oh, this model said it was her account, but I found out she has people she hires to answer DMs for her, so it’s fraud,” Dahl explains. “That’s kind of an interesting take to me personally, because it doesn’t seem realistic that you would expect that any celebrity with millions of followers would be personally replying to every single DM you send them.”
The time commitment increases alongside your subscriber count, and it’s also become increasingly common for successful creators to hire help to manage their social media and video uploads.
“People think that this is not a full-time job, and it is,” Kenzie Anne, an adult performer, online content creator, and podcaster with over 825,000 Instagram followers, tells Playboy. She recently hired an assistant to handle her social media posts because the workload had become overwhelming. “I have to take pictures every single day,” she explained. “I have to take videos every single day; even if I’m not making a big production out of something, something needs to be recorded. I have two OnlyFans pages. I have three Instagrams. I have two Twitters. I have two TikToks. If I stop, I’m not being fed into the algorithm anymore, and no one’s gonna see me. Your success is directly related to your views.”
And in online adult content creation, views are money. Marketing and social media promotion, then, are a huge part of the job for OnlyFans creators for a simple reason: it’s really the only way they’re able to advertise, and even then, it’s a gamble.
Yeah I have to imagine it gets exhausting, the never-ending pressure to create new content. Probably never really get a day or a week off. I assume it's the same pressure no matter the type of content.
You are not obligated to make a fuck ton of money you know.. also if you sell the access to your dms I think you should be the one that reply to them, not staff, not AI. If you don't have the time, sell less subscriptions to your dms at a higher price.
> “That’s kind of an interesting take to me personally, because it doesn’t seem realistic that you would expect that any celebrity with millions of followers would be personally replying to every single DM you send them.”
If you sell private messages with the premise that they come from the creator, and they don't come from the creator, then they are fraudulent. If you don't have time to respond, you cannot sell your responses.
> And in online adult content creation, views are money. Marketing and social media promotion, then, are a huge part of the job for OnlyFans creators for a simple reason: it’s really the only way they’re able to advertise, and even then, it’s a gamble.
Crocodile tears. Not every industry or job is for every person.
I'm confused about the downvotes here; is that not a legitimate point?
They're selling the service, included in a subscription, of replying to fans, but it's not actually them. If you went to Cameo for a message from a celebrity, but got their admin staff instead, you'd rightfully be annoyed, no?
This point of this article and therefore thread is for pro-OF people to complain about how hard it is. Any dissenting opinion is going to get downvoted.
It should be added to this that likely most of the successful top 1% creators are transferring success/popularity from elsewhere, they aren’t just randoms scrapping their way to the top. I’d be willing to bet that virtually never happens
Yeah I don't buy it there. I know of a chubby redhead that claims she makes 300K/month, I look and she has a few thousand followers. Unless she has some spendy whales it is all a lie.
Lil Tay has enough of a following (both fans and detractors) that it might be possible. She's also a longtime liar and grifter, so it could also be fake. The kid has over 5M followers on Instagram though, so it's absolutely plausible.
Maybe porn is just really bad for our society? 🤷♂️
Seems like it’s pretty damaging for the people consuming it and even more damaging for the people making it.
The older I get, the more convinced I am that it should just be banned. Downvote away but no one here can make a compelling argument in favor of pornography.
The government doesn't have the right to censor what adults watch, nor the right to censor what consenting adults create. That is the only argument necessary. If you don't like it then don't watch it.
Porn, sex work, alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, gambling are all bad for society but banning them has never and will never put a stop to them. It just makes the industry more dangerous for those who choose to participate and causes more harm in the long run
This is a pretty ignorant response. The goal is not to end the problem completely because that’s impossible. The goal is to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people possible.
You mentioned gambling. If gambling was only legal in person at Casinos on Native American reservations, you would have far fewer gambling addicts. Make gambling 50 state legal on phone apps and you end up with 1000x more gambling addicts. This is common sense.
Bans certainly help. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.
I live in California. Weed was way harder to get when it was illegal. You had to know a guy who knows a guy. No I have a dozen legal dispensaries within walking distance of my house and a bunch of online services that will deliver right to my front door.
Ok, and? It's not like people were hurting for weed prior to legalization. It's literally always been around you, even when it was texting a plug instead of ordering online. The only difference between then and now is advertisements and storefronts.
Edit: oh, and regulatory enforcement of cultivation, packaging, and sale, which isn't a bad thing.
Making something legal makes it much easier to access which means that more people are consuming it. More people would do cocaine if it was legal. No rational person would argue against that.
Instances of legalization have shown that use goes up in the short term but tends to fall below historical averages over time. There's also harm reduction to consider, which tends to improve significantly regardless of timeframes. This was the case in Colorado with weed and Portugal with general drug legalization.
That’s a load of BS. Marijuana usage has exploded over the past 30 years. There are no studies that will say that usage has decreased over time. That massive increase in usage is almost entirely driven by ease of access to the product.
They are both bad for society. There is a literal mountain of evidence showing how harmful pornography is for those who create it and those that consume it.
Just because something worse exists doesn’t justify its legality. Robbing liquor stores isn’t as bad a raping children. Should people be free to rob liquor stores?
lostINsauce369 | 4 hours ago
Sounds like it's just as rare and difficult to get famous from creating porn as it is from creating any other kind of online content.
thesagaconts | 4 hours ago
Plus, it’s over saturated. How may porn videos are out there? It still blows my mind that someone pays for porn.
TheNavidsonLP | 4 hours ago
It's been a while, but I paid for porn. I'll tell you why: searching for free porn is incredibly frustrating.
If you have a fetish or a particular type or have a performer you like, you have to spend most of your time bookmarking free videos that are always getting taken down. God forbid you find someone you like and the uploader didn't put their name in the meta description.
The user experience for tube sites is terrible. Those sites are full of pop-up ads and malicious software. The videos constantly buffer, even with high-speed internet. Audio ads are now played on top of videos. There's no guarantee that what you searched for is what you find in the video.
It's just less frustrating and more convenient to go to a website that has your login info.
Stanford_experiencer | an hour ago
>If you have a fetish or a particular type or have a performer you like, you have to spend most of your time bookmarking free videos that are always getting taken down.
DOWNLOAD THEM
danknerd | 2 hours ago
You're just.doing free porn wrong. Spin up Virtual Machine, use a trustworthy VPN, adblockers in brower, and either an adguard or pinole server to block known malicious domains, etc.
jimmiidean | 34 minutes ago
Finally, a true jerker 🙌🏾
strikingLoo | an hour ago
I don't get why you're downvoted, I had a similar thought reading the guy above
amijot | 13 minutes ago
This guy goons
Chaseism | 3 hours ago
I pay for porn. I have disposable income, I think people who creat something I enjoy should be paid for it, and I like this particular studio. Plus, it’s only $10 a month.
kenny2812 | 3 hours ago
I think a lot of the time people are buying onlyfans for a parasocial relationship, not just porn.
pakap | an hour ago
Onlyfans isn't about paying for porn, it's about paying for access. Very parasocial.
BrocoLee | 4 hours ago
I don't think it's that rare. Sure, free websites exist, but you are getting free samples or pirated content.
And if you happen to like any kind of niche porn, the pool dries up pretty quickly, so it's good to keep the people making new content going. This is probably the most important reason: for many onlyfans and the like are similar to to patreon.
Nichi1971 | 52 minutes ago
It's the allusion of connection.
dancerjess | 23 minutes ago
I do, because people who create it deserve to be paid for what they do (sex work is work) and also it allows me to support a studio that pays its actors fairly and doesn't exploit them. There's a LOT of exploitation and trafficking out there and I want to ensure the content I'm viewing doesn't involve either.
TheAstroidIsComing | 4 hours ago
Plus...AI porn incoming...
noisefloor66 | an hour ago
I mean, people pay for streaming services when theres literally more free entertainment on YouTube than you could ever watch in your lifetime.
You pay for the quality of what youre consuming.
InnerWrathChild | 4 hours ago
I saw some women sharing their OF status somewhere. They showed that “top 5%” was like $500/month in earnings. Like streaming, there’s millions of people doing it. But the successful have a hook and work for it. There’s also a good bit of luck I imagine.
kendrid | 3 hours ago
I'm not going to link it but there are subreddits for OF women and yeah, most make dollars a day. They are competing with others around the world and everyone thinks they can get rich quick. There are so many posts like 'I need $1000 in a week for rent' and that isn't how it works. Also now with AI reverse image search, if you show your face, you might get doxxed and/or blackmailed. People threaten to out them to their families.
anotherbozo | 24 minutes ago
Most OF creators likely have other sources of income. Like being an escort or model.
psmgx | 19 minutes ago
the average OF creator makes like $300/month.
80/20 rule stuff, like music, sports, video game design, etc. A handful get mega lucky and make $$$$$, a few do pretty well, and most make unimpressive money or struggle.
that said, if you're a single mom working at Wal-Mart $300/month covers groceries and netflix. and, like, if you were gonna rub one out anyways...
Real-Knee-588 | 4 hours ago
headaches" in this context feels like an understatement
[OP] playboy | 5 hours ago
“There are so many sensationalized stories of young women just willy-nilly making an OnlyFans account, and now, all of a sudden, they made a million dollars in a month,” Siri Dahl, an adult performer, online content creator, and sex workers’ rights activist, tells Playboy. “That is the exception to the rule.The average creator makes a couple hundred dollars, ever, on their OnlyFans account. The people who actually consistently make good income on there are very, very dedicated to running it like a business.”
Dahl started her OnlyFans account in 2019, but has been working in the adult industry since 2012. The site, where she has about 5,000 subscribers, is currently her main income driver, meaning it’s a full-time job. On top of the time she spends on filming and editing content, planning shoots, and pre-production, Dahl estimates she also spends at least four hours per day monitoring and replying to DMs and answering custom content requests. She handles all of her own messages, but popular creators have increasingly turned to outsourcing the work or even using AI chatbots to navigate their overflowing inboxes.
“There have been two class action lawsuits started against OnlyFans in the last couple years by fans that used the platform and were like, ‘Oh, this model said it was her account, but I found out she has people she hires to answer DMs for her, so it’s fraud,” Dahl explains. “That’s kind of an interesting take to me personally, because it doesn’t seem realistic that you would expect that any celebrity with millions of followers would be personally replying to every single DM you send them.”
The time commitment increases alongside your subscriber count, and it’s also become increasingly common for successful creators to hire help to manage their social media and video uploads.
“People think that this is not a full-time job, and it is,” Kenzie Anne, an adult performer, online content creator, and podcaster with over 825,000 Instagram followers, tells Playboy. She recently hired an assistant to handle her social media posts because the workload had become overwhelming. “I have to take pictures every single day,” she explained. “I have to take videos every single day; even if I’m not making a big production out of something, something needs to be recorded. I have two OnlyFans pages. I have three Instagrams. I have two Twitters. I have two TikToks. If I stop, I’m not being fed into the algorithm anymore, and no one’s gonna see me. Your success is directly related to your views.”
And in online adult content creation, views are money. Marketing and social media promotion, then, are a huge part of the job for OnlyFans creators for a simple reason: it’s really the only way they’re able to advertise, and even then, it’s a gamble.
Read more: https://www.playboy.com/read/sex-relationships/she-made-1-million-in-3-hours-on-onlyfans-then-the-headaches
river_tree_nut | 5 hours ago
Yeah I have to imagine it gets exhausting, the never-ending pressure to create new content. Probably never really get a day or a week off. I assume it's the same pressure no matter the type of content.
thesagaconts | 4 hours ago
Even their vacations are work cause they have to film and document all the “joy” they are having.
iperblaster | 2 hours ago
You are not obligated to make a fuck ton of money you know.. also if you sell the access to your dms I think you should be the one that reply to them, not staff, not AI. If you don't have the time, sell less subscriptions to your dms at a higher price.
Fuzzy_Ad9970 | 5 hours ago
> “That’s kind of an interesting take to me personally, because it doesn’t seem realistic that you would expect that any celebrity with millions of followers would be personally replying to every single DM you send them.”
If you sell private messages with the premise that they come from the creator, and they don't come from the creator, then they are fraudulent. If you don't have time to respond, you cannot sell your responses.
> And in online adult content creation, views are money. Marketing and social media promotion, then, are a huge part of the job for OnlyFans creators for a simple reason: it’s really the only way they’re able to advertise, and even then, it’s a gamble.
Crocodile tears. Not every industry or job is for every person.
jb_in_jpn | 4 hours ago
I'm confused about the downvotes here; is that not a legitimate point?
They're selling the service, included in a subscription, of replying to fans, but it's not actually them. If you went to Cameo for a message from a celebrity, but got their admin staff instead, you'd rightfully be annoyed, no?
Fuzzy_Ad9970 | 4 hours ago
This point of this article and therefore thread is for pro-OF people to complain about how hard it is. Any dissenting opinion is going to get downvoted.
Successful-Glove188 | 4 hours ago
how sustainable is this level of content creation long term
altiuscitiusfortius | 3 hours ago
Amouranth makes millions a month for years. Almost a decade I think.
She has a team of 14 people helping her.
Photographers, editor, stylist, many social media managers etc.
theoryfiles | 3 hours ago
It should be added to this that likely most of the successful top 1% creators are transferring success/popularity from elsewhere, they aren’t just randoms scrapping their way to the top. I’d be willing to bet that virtually never happens
filtersweep | 4 hours ago
ALLEGEDLY ‘made $1m in 3 hours.’
I simply don’t believe it.
ChronicBluntz | 4 hours ago
Imagine reading this article to a foundry worker.
Svardskampe | 4 hours ago
Maybe that foundry worker can show his toned sweaty muscles on onlyfans and make the same? Nothing is stopping him.
Sacpunch | 4 hours ago
You are not serious.
TheAstroidIsComing | 4 hours ago
Men don't have that privilege.
Svardskampe | 4 hours ago
How do they not have that privilege?
TheAstroidIsComing | 4 hours ago
Use your big brain I'm sure you can work it out if you're honest with yourself
Svardskampe | 3 hours ago
Oh right, for the same reason as why magic mike was such a failure right.
And as if there isn't a huge gay audience with statistically even more disposable income to throw around.
Cowboywizzard | an hour ago
….you know that LGBT people are a minority, right haha
Fuzzy_Ad9970 | 4 hours ago
Apparently OF is a very difficult full time job, so I doubt it.
filtersweep | 3 hours ago
ALLEGEDLY ‘made $1m in 3 hours.’
I simply don’t believe it.
The only people truthful about matters involving money are those complaining about how little they have.
kendrid | 3 hours ago
Yeah I don't buy it there. I know of a chubby redhead that claims she makes 300K/month, I look and she has a few thousand followers. Unless she has some spendy whales it is all a lie.
woofiegrrl | 46 minutes ago
Lil Tay has enough of a following (both fans and detractors) that it might be possible. She's also a longtime liar and grifter, so it could also be fake. The kid has over 5M followers on Instagram though, so it's absolutely plausible.
filtersweep | 29 minutes ago
Could be, but like strippers or gamblers….
A stripper tells about that ONE night she earned $2000– and not what she did to earn it…. nor about her countless slow nights…..
or the gambler who won $10,000- but you don’t hear how he spent $70,000 to ‘win it’
Plus when someone does something a bit degrading like OF- gotta make it sound like everyone is missing out….
pomoville | 3 hours ago
No credit on the Nagel, I wonder if it’s from Playboy archives.
CoverHuman9771 | 4 hours ago
Maybe porn is just really bad for our society? 🤷♂️
Seems like it’s pretty damaging for the people consuming it and even more damaging for the people making it.
The older I get, the more convinced I am that it should just be banned. Downvote away but no one here can make a compelling argument in favor of pornography.
CountFauxlof | 4 hours ago
I agree it’s a huge negative, but I don’t think prohibition works for anything, especially on the consumer side.
TrontRaznik | 3 hours ago
The government doesn't have the right to censor what adults watch, nor the right to censor what consenting adults create. That is the only argument necessary. If you don't like it then don't watch it.
CoverHuman9771 | 3 hours ago
The government already censors what you watch. It’s illegal to watch pornography with underage performers. Snuff films are also illegal.
So yes, the government has the right to make certain content illegal to consume.
TrontRaznik | an hour ago
>what consenting adults create
CoverHuman9771 | 58 minutes ago
So “consent” is the only standard we should use to determine if something is good for society or not?
Suicidal individuals consent to killing themselves. Should bystanders not intervene if a suicidal individual is trying to jump off a bridge?
1058pm | 3 hours ago
Porn, sex work, alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, gambling are all bad for society but banning them has never and will never put a stop to them. It just makes the industry more dangerous for those who choose to participate and causes more harm in the long run
CoverHuman9771 | 3 hours ago
This is a pretty ignorant response. The goal is not to end the problem completely because that’s impossible. The goal is to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people possible.
You mentioned gambling. If gambling was only legal in person at Casinos on Native American reservations, you would have far fewer gambling addicts. Make gambling 50 state legal on phone apps and you end up with 1000x more gambling addicts. This is common sense.
IntrigueDossier | 4 hours ago
Too bad bans don't work and any problems that exist with a particular thing don't improve with prohibition. Rather, they tend to get much worse.
CoverHuman9771 | 3 hours ago
Bans certainly help. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.
I live in California. Weed was way harder to get when it was illegal. You had to know a guy who knows a guy. No I have a dozen legal dispensaries within walking distance of my house and a bunch of online services that will deliver right to my front door.
IntrigueDossier | 3 hours ago
Ok, and? It's not like people were hurting for weed prior to legalization. It's literally always been around you, even when it was texting a plug instead of ordering online. The only difference between then and now is advertisements and storefronts.
Edit: oh, and regulatory enforcement of cultivation, packaging, and sale, which isn't a bad thing.
CoverHuman9771 | 2 hours ago
You’re completely missing my point on purpose.
Making something legal makes it much easier to access which means that more people are consuming it. More people would do cocaine if it was legal. No rational person would argue against that.
IntrigueDossier | 2 hours ago
Instances of legalization have shown that use goes up in the short term but tends to fall below historical averages over time. There's also harm reduction to consider, which tends to improve significantly regardless of timeframes. This was the case in Colorado with weed and Portugal with general drug legalization.
CoverHuman9771 | 2 hours ago
That’s a load of BS. Marijuana usage has exploded over the past 30 years. There are no studies that will say that usage has decreased over time. That massive increase in usage is almost entirely driven by ease of access to the product.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.16519
https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/legalized-states-frequent-cannabis-use-now-more-common-among-some-young-adults
https://www.colorado.edu/today/2022/08/25/cannabis-legalization-boosts-use-double-digits-new-study-suggests
Fuzzy_Ad9970 | 3 hours ago
The compelling argument is freedom. Hope this helps.
CoverHuman9771 | 3 hours ago
Do you use that same “compelling” argument when it comes to pedophilia?
Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought.
Fuzzy_Ad9970 | 3 hours ago
Are you comparing people viewing other consenting adult's naked bodies to raping children?
CoverHuman9771 | 2 hours ago
They are both bad for society. There is a literal mountain of evidence showing how harmful pornography is for those who create it and those that consume it.
Just because something worse exists doesn’t justify its legality. Robbing liquor stores isn’t as bad a raping children. Should people be free to rob liquor stores?