It's probably got something to do with where in the appetite regulation system that things are going wrong. The biological pathway is very complex, it shouldn't be surprising that putting your thumb on the scale at one specific point won't work for everyone.
For example, if you have a mutation in MC4R, one of the later parts of satiety signaling, it likely won't matter how strong the upstream signal of satiety is, because it's being fully blocked later down the road.
Or as an analogy, it doesn't matter how hard you stamp on the brake pedal if the brake line is cut.
My friend tried it and her hunger levels went down and she ate much less but her energy dropped dramatically so her activity levels dropped. She didn't lose any weight despite trying for months
Yeah this happened to me ultimately. I lost loads in the first month or two cos I could barely eat anything and was having terrible diarrhea. But I had zero energy and was also incredibly mentally low. So I wasn't able to exercise at all, and once I got up to eating line 1200 cals, my weight loss slowed to the rate I was losing at pre ozempic. So I just stopped, felt way better, was able to exercise again, and have been losing decently since.
Ozempic could help me loose a lot of weight but I don’t just still feel hungry - a caloric deficit creates shaking in my hands, elevated heart rate, irratability, anxiety, etc. it happens whether I consciously reduce or not. Ozempic has def helped with being able to eat less and more healthy. I also don’t think about food non stop. Food tastes normal to me. Not like I’ve turned on a switch and must inhale it. I have more control over my eating and it equips me to employ therapeutic techniques to further rhat work. I also don’t want to drink. It’s been game changing in so many ways but not the full thing I need. I feel like you have described here - theres another part of the system that is broken. TY for stating thjs in more science/medical framing.
Same here. I did lose 20 lb over the first 6 months I was on ozempic, but nothing since then in the next 21 months. I was rarely hungry before and had been on an unintentional low calorie diet since I was a teenager, but I'm also extremely sedentary. I still stay on a glp-1 (currently Mounjaro because ozempic was making me constipated) because it's controlling my a1c to stay below prediabetic levels.
One doctor I asked for an opinion on going on a GLP claimed it wouldn’t help me if I am like her other patients who are emotional eaters. I don’t know if I believe that, but that’s what she said.
I found in my case that a lot of "emotional" eating was just physical after all. GLP-1s only somewhat reduce how much I eat, I still have a strong appetite, but they dramatically changed what I crave. Sweet foods barely register anymore and I'd rather have a bowl of curry than a donut.
Yes, I suspect that they still help. After all, they help reduce alcohol cravings, too. I was on tirzepatide for a few months myself and lost weight, it was great.
That’s a very important observation. A good friend of mine said the difference was that turkey sausage actually sounded tasty on Ozempic whereas they were pretty disgusting before.
And, yeah, I’m all about spicy curries and cooking my own foods now. I love that side of it as I’ve lost 40+ lbs and quite enjoying learning about all sorts of curries.
It cannot be overstated just how big of a difference it makes to emotionally eat pizza, curry, burgers, fried chicken, etc. versus housing an entire package of Oreos. A lot of savory foods at least have a decent amount of protein and fat and are filling instead of being mostly sugar and easy to keep eating.
Even if you do binge on something, the amount that you can physically pack in on these medications (unless, of course, you are the people discussed in this article I guess) is so much lower. For me, even at the lower doses, I started to get my head around a new set of tradeoffs for overeating and started doing it less and to lesser degree.
I’m much better about just eating what I want to eat but in an amount that makes sense when you average out a week of eating and activity. I only really started tracking my food once I reached 26 BMI (from 41, after 3 years, and yes I know BMI isn’t perfect but it is helpful to know an ok place to stop losing weight for a while) and decided to drop my dose a bit and try to get my energy levels and weightlifting volume up some.
I am not in the camp that believes you can go off of these medications and maintain weight though (which the data also doesn’t support). I know if my appetite came raging back, I’d have issues because it just overrides all logic and planning when you can’t stop thinking about food.
I am an emotional eater and I’m down a lot. Two sizes. It mutes that part of the brain and I’m on a low dose. I can stop eating for the first time ever. I never bothered with gastric because I knew it was in my brain and body.
It seems like GLP-1 medications have some of the same issues that other meds have. A lot of blood pressure drugs are ineffective for portions of the population. But then again, we have significantly more options to try when it comes to these more mature medication families.
The thing is that even in people who fail to lose weight from GLP drugs they still get metabolic improvements like lowered A1C, reduced inflammation, etc..
There’s also lots of evidence that people who have had uncontrolled type 2 diabetes before beginning GLP1 treatment lose less weight and have less appetite suppression despite the metabolic improvements.
I knew someone on the max dose of Ozempic who actually gained 15lbs in the 3 months she was on it because her self-hated fueled binging had nothing to do with her hunger cues, blood sugar, etc. She would have zero appetite and still force food down her throat to the point of vomiting, because the point was to hurt herself in a socially-acceptable manner. She was taken off the Ozempic when her insurance stopped covering it, but honestly I don't think it really helped so its probably for the best. Last I knew she was still battling the demons of self-hatred but her weight has more or less stabalized. I'm hoping she finds a way outta that mindset soon.
Exactly this. If your eating has nothing to do with hunger cues and is really deep-rooted as a maladaptive coping mechanism, all the GLP-1s in the world won't stop you.
Sounds like there may be a touch of psychological reactance / oppositional defiance. Some people and especially in some situations are more susceptible to feeling like their autonomy, agency, and/or self-determination is being threatened if they “listen” to other people. Even if there may be something they previously were motivated to do and would do on their own, as soon as somebody else tells them to do it, it feels like giving up control for them to follow through, so they resist. Intertwined with this when applied to dietary changes is how some people turn to food for the dopamine hit when they feel bad.
For this a few other psychological struggles (like depression and anxiety associated rumination), one thing that could help is avoiding using the word “should” as much as possible. It may seem small, but this word tends to trigger feelings of pressure and guilt which fuel many maladaptive behaviors.
I’ve been curious about this because I don’t have “food noise” thanks to my Adderall. I can go entire days without eating and not notice. I eat more regularly when my kids are here, because other people eating reminds me to eat. So I wonder if it would work for me. I do not move enough due to issues with my knees and some depression I’m working hard to overcome.
So it seems logical to me that for some people they would be ineffective because reasons for someone’s obesity vary.
I use both Venvanse (which is just Adderall but works for longer periods) with Mounjaro and it still helps. I have been in Venvanse for over a year now and after a while the Venvanse effects in your hunger diminished too much to be effective for weight loss... I am mainly using for ADHD though so I wasn't too bothered by that.
However me being on Venvanse actually helps staying on a lower dosage on Mounjaro. I am 6 months in and still on 5mg, which is the first step after the initial dosage (2.5mg). I stayed in the initial dosage for 4 months (while being effective) which is very unusual.
The food noise disappeared completely and more importantly, it reduces the amount of food you eat. You eat very little and you get satisfied way earlier. Also, you get punished by eating too much if you ignore the "I am satisfied" signal because digestion is much slower with GLP, you feel bloated for way longer than usual. I'd bet it's how some stomach reduction surgeries feels to an extent.
With Venvanse I'd need to be actively focused on something to be able to ignore hunger, but with GLP that just happens.
I don't get 'food noise' either, tried mounjaro for a few months as my partner had great results with it but all it did to me was give me nonstop nausea. I was at times reluctant to eat because of it but it was too unpleasant and not worth it. Didn't lose any weight. It should be expected that it won't work for everyone, people really are starting to think that these things are magic.
No weigh loss, reduction in liking food, hunger, food noise or liking drinking. No slowing of food processing, no nausea, no difference in fullness, no constipation or diarrhea.
I went to max dose of Ozempic and now on 12.5mg of Mounjaro. Don’t have diabetes btw.
Gee. It's almost like calories in calories out might not be all that's going on with weight loss.
I read a small study recently on this topic that pointed out that almost all of that 15% who don't lose weight on the full dose of Semaglutide had longstanding DM2.
if the research question why does x not react like y and it appears x is eating z% more in calories comparitively, I think that explains the difference.
They may want to know functionally why x chooses to eat more calories or why does y group eat fewer, but it explains the initial question and then they can look to the mechanism under it.
Having tried a GLP-1, it made me unable to eat food even if I wanted to eat food, because I just felt full. If someone is still eating too much on a GLP-1 it means the drug isn't working. If it's working you shouldn't be able to overeat.
I ultimately dropped it because I didn't like the sensation. I just tried it because we had it lying around but the person taking it couldn't take it anymore.
There are people who eat through that sensation of fullness because they are eating as a maladaptive coping mechanism, and its compulsive. They will struggle even with this kind of drug because its essentially a form of self-harm that they are using to regulate, and unless they learn other skills to do that, they will need the eating to function.
This is how I feel all the time and why I struggle to gain weight, I think. I just get full so fast. I used to force more food down, its pretty horrible though and not sustainable. Appetite is weird.
I'm sure if I kept at it maybe I'd have grown a tolerance to it. But it was just awful and I was on the lowest possible dose for a couple months. It was a panic response to some sudden weight gain, but my workout routine ultimately leveled that out and brought me back where I wanted to be.
It also annoyed me that the stuff made weed edibles not work unless I took a ridiculous amount. I think just because it slows your digestive tract down.
I tried it because some people with my health condition experience anti inflammatory benefits from it, but it compounded my gastroparesis too much. I basically couldn't eat at all for a week.
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted for this but there should definitely be some clearer education for people to understand what influences the calories in vs calories out equation!
A lot of people (usually people who don't have to put a lot of work into staying thin) tend to get extremely angry at the idea that weight is associated with anything other than willpower.
A lot of people (usually people who dont track calories and have a hard time losing weight) tend to get extremely angry at the idea that weight is associated with the amount of food they eat.
There is nuance and it can be harder for some people for many reasons.
But it is literally impossible to gain fat when eating a calorie deficit. That's not really a negotiable fact.
Heh, nice try, but I'm able to maintain my weight without medicine. The thing is that if maintaining a calorie deficit is torturous for one person and a mild discomfort for another, that makes a huge difference. And that's the key. I often forget to eat, I just don't have a strong hunger drive.
Have you ever met a fat person who legitimately has never heard the idea that they could consider eating less? Or do you think maybe they respond negatively because that's obviously everybody's first idea but it didn't work for them? Fat people tend to be the people who have tried the most strategies to lose weight.
You're not special, you're just lucky. Same as me.
It's just also unhelpful. If it isn't an actually tenable strategy for the patient population, then repeating it like a mantra is pointless. Literally every fat person has been told to eat less. You're not helping by joining in.
Calorie deficits aren't negotiable is important because it tells a person to look elsewhere for answers and to not waste their time ruminating on a false narrative.
Your original post was playing into the meme that willpower is over played. That's harmful.
But that was the point for me.
It STOPPED the binging.
I burned more calories than I ate, because I just didn’t want to eat.
The food noise simply vanished. This is part of what they do.
Might be worth doing a bit of research and seeing what you think. I waited years thinking they wouldn’t work for me for (I suspect) all the same reasons as you.
Best thing I have ever done was buying 1 pen just to see.
I’m 20kg down and nearly at my second goal weight having crashed through my first goal practically without blinking!
These are miracle drugs IMO, I should have done this years ago, it’s astonishing what they do.
Have a read through some subs on here and ask any questions you can think of.
As a fellow struggler with binge eating, I wish you all the best and good luck 😊👍
ETA.
If you didn’t want to ask in the subs, please feel free to DM me, more than happy to share my experience if it helps.
AssiduousLayabout | 6 hours ago
It's probably got something to do with where in the appetite regulation system that things are going wrong. The biological pathway is very complex, it shouldn't be surprising that putting your thumb on the scale at one specific point won't work for everyone.
For example, if you have a mutation in MC4R, one of the later parts of satiety signaling, it likely won't matter how strong the upstream signal of satiety is, because it's being fully blocked later down the road.
Or as an analogy, it doesn't matter how hard you stamp on the brake pedal if the brake line is cut.
StuChenko | 5 hours ago
My friend tried it and her hunger levels went down and she ate much less but her energy dropped dramatically so her activity levels dropped. She didn't lose any weight despite trying for months
ishka_uisce | 44 minutes ago
Yeah this happened to me ultimately. I lost loads in the first month or two cos I could barely eat anything and was having terrible diarrhea. But I had zero energy and was also incredibly mentally low. So I wasn't able to exercise at all, and once I got up to eating line 1200 cals, my weight loss slowed to the rate I was losing at pre ozempic. So I just stopped, felt way better, was able to exercise again, and have been losing decently since.
addywoot | 38 minutes ago
You were not feeding your body enough energy. Are you at a medically healthy weight?
Ok_Guard9523 | 6 hours ago
Ozempic could help me loose a lot of weight but I don’t just still feel hungry - a caloric deficit creates shaking in my hands, elevated heart rate, irratability, anxiety, etc. it happens whether I consciously reduce or not. Ozempic has def helped with being able to eat less and more healthy. I also don’t think about food non stop. Food tastes normal to me. Not like I’ve turned on a switch and must inhale it. I have more control over my eating and it equips me to employ therapeutic techniques to further rhat work. I also don’t want to drink. It’s been game changing in so many ways but not the full thing I need. I feel like you have described here - theres another part of the system that is broken. TY for stating thjs in more science/medical framing.
patentmom | 4 hours ago
Same here. I did lose 20 lb over the first 6 months I was on ozempic, but nothing since then in the next 21 months. I was rarely hungry before and had been on an unintentional low calorie diet since I was a teenager, but I'm also extremely sedentary. I still stay on a glp-1 (currently Mounjaro because ozempic was making me constipated) because it's controlling my a1c to stay below prediabetic levels.
TemporaryElk5202 | 3 hours ago
Weight gain isnt just about appetite, and glp-1 meds cause you to lose weight in other ways too.
Possible_Top4855 | 3 hours ago
The only signal I have for when to stop eating is when it becomes difficult to breathe 🤷♀️
waitwuh | 4 hours ago
One doctor I asked for an opinion on going on a GLP claimed it wouldn’t help me if I am like her other patients who are emotional eaters. I don’t know if I believe that, but that’s what she said.
AssiduousLayabout | 4 hours ago
I found in my case that a lot of "emotional" eating was just physical after all. GLP-1s only somewhat reduce how much I eat, I still have a strong appetite, but they dramatically changed what I crave. Sweet foods barely register anymore and I'd rather have a bowl of curry than a donut.
waitwuh | 3 hours ago
Yes, I suspect that they still help. After all, they help reduce alcohol cravings, too. I was on tirzepatide for a few months myself and lost weight, it was great.
AssiduousLayabout | 3 hours ago
Yeah, I've lost quite a lot of weight, slow and steady.
Ntroepy | 2 hours ago
That’s a very important observation. A good friend of mine said the difference was that turkey sausage actually sounded tasty on Ozempic whereas they were pretty disgusting before.
And, yeah, I’m all about spicy curries and cooking my own foods now. I love that side of it as I’ve lost 40+ lbs and quite enjoying learning about all sorts of curries.
roygbivasaur | 40 minutes ago
It cannot be overstated just how big of a difference it makes to emotionally eat pizza, curry, burgers, fried chicken, etc. versus housing an entire package of Oreos. A lot of savory foods at least have a decent amount of protein and fat and are filling instead of being mostly sugar and easy to keep eating.
Even if you do binge on something, the amount that you can physically pack in on these medications (unless, of course, you are the people discussed in this article I guess) is so much lower. For me, even at the lower doses, I started to get my head around a new set of tradeoffs for overeating and started doing it less and to lesser degree.
I’m much better about just eating what I want to eat but in an amount that makes sense when you average out a week of eating and activity. I only really started tracking my food once I reached 26 BMI (from 41, after 3 years, and yes I know BMI isn’t perfect but it is helpful to know an ok place to stop losing weight for a while) and decided to drop my dose a bit and try to get my energy levels and weightlifting volume up some.
I am not in the camp that believes you can go off of these medications and maintain weight though (which the data also doesn’t support). I know if my appetite came raging back, I’d have issues because it just overrides all logic and planning when you can’t stop thinking about food.
TemporaryElk5202 | 3 hours ago
She is wrong. it affects your emotional state too and so even emotional eaters often eat less.
you can still outeat it though
Ok_Guard9523 | 48 minutes ago
This is exactly what I was trying to say! Your dr is missing the full pix.
addywoot | 39 minutes ago
I am an emotional eater and I’m down a lot. Two sizes. It mutes that part of the brain and I’m on a low dose. I can stop eating for the first time ever. I never bothered with gastric because I knew it was in my brain and body.
leavezukoalone | 7 hours ago
It seems like GLP-1 medications have some of the same issues that other meds have. A lot of blood pressure drugs are ineffective for portions of the population. But then again, we have significantly more options to try when it comes to these more mature medication families.
hippocampus237 | 5 hours ago
Every drug has a percent of people who respond as intended and those who don’t.
RogerianBrowsing | 4 hours ago
The thing is that even in people who fail to lose weight from GLP drugs they still get metabolic improvements like lowered A1C, reduced inflammation, etc..
There’s also lots of evidence that people who have had uncontrolled type 2 diabetes before beginning GLP1 treatment lose less weight and have less appetite suppression despite the metabolic improvements.
TheSumOfMyScars | 5 hours ago
I knew someone on the max dose of Ozempic who actually gained 15lbs in the 3 months she was on it because her self-hated fueled binging had nothing to do with her hunger cues, blood sugar, etc. She would have zero appetite and still force food down her throat to the point of vomiting, because the point was to hurt herself in a socially-acceptable manner. She was taken off the Ozempic when her insurance stopped covering it, but honestly I don't think it really helped so its probably for the best. Last I knew she was still battling the demons of self-hatred but her weight has more or less stabalized. I'm hoping she finds a way outta that mindset soon.
TailoredHam88 | 4 hours ago
Contrave may have been a better choice for her.
littlerae0fsunshine | 5 hours ago
Exactly this. If your eating has nothing to do with hunger cues and is really deep-rooted as a maladaptive coping mechanism, all the GLP-1s in the world won't stop you.
Suspicious-Grade-60 | 4 hours ago
I gained about 10 lbs on the max dose of Ozempic. I lost about 13 switching to Tirzepitide (not max dose)
insanecrazy4 | 5 hours ago
My wife is taking wegovey and hasn’t lost anything. She’s eating way too much and won’t listen.
waitwuh | 3 hours ago
Sounds like there may be a touch of psychological reactance / oppositional defiance. Some people and especially in some situations are more susceptible to feeling like their autonomy, agency, and/or self-determination is being threatened if they “listen” to other people. Even if there may be something they previously were motivated to do and would do on their own, as soon as somebody else tells them to do it, it feels like giving up control for them to follow through, so they resist. Intertwined with this when applied to dietary changes is how some people turn to food for the dopamine hit when they feel bad.
For this a few other psychological struggles (like depression and anxiety associated rumination), one thing that could help is avoiding using the word “should” as much as possible. It may seem small, but this word tends to trigger feelings of pressure and guilt which fuel many maladaptive behaviors.
LowStrike5558 | 3 hours ago
I’ve been curious about this because I don’t have “food noise” thanks to my Adderall. I can go entire days without eating and not notice. I eat more regularly when my kids are here, because other people eating reminds me to eat. So I wonder if it would work for me. I do not move enough due to issues with my knees and some depression I’m working hard to overcome.
So it seems logical to me that for some people they would be ineffective because reasons for someone’s obesity vary.
Kappa_God | 2 hours ago
I use both Venvanse (which is just Adderall but works for longer periods) with Mounjaro and it still helps. I have been in Venvanse for over a year now and after a while the Venvanse effects in your hunger diminished too much to be effective for weight loss... I am mainly using for ADHD though so I wasn't too bothered by that.
However me being on Venvanse actually helps staying on a lower dosage on Mounjaro. I am 6 months in and still on 5mg, which is the first step after the initial dosage (2.5mg). I stayed in the initial dosage for 4 months (while being effective) which is very unusual.
The food noise disappeared completely and more importantly, it reduces the amount of food you eat. You eat very little and you get satisfied way earlier. Also, you get punished by eating too much if you ignore the "I am satisfied" signal because digestion is much slower with GLP, you feel bloated for way longer than usual. I'd bet it's how some stomach reduction surgeries feels to an extent.
With Venvanse I'd need to be actively focused on something to be able to ignore hunger, but with GLP that just happens.
Misaka9982 | 2 hours ago
I don't get 'food noise' either, tried mounjaro for a few months as my partner had great results with it but all it did to me was give me nonstop nausea. I was at times reluctant to eat because of it but it was too unpleasant and not worth it. Didn't lose any weight. It should be expected that it won't work for everyone, people really are starting to think that these things are magic.
mantis_tobaggan-md | 5 hours ago
There are many different obesity phenotypes. Magnitude of response to GLP-1s is primarily a product of an individual’s specific phenotype.
Baaastet | 55 minutes ago
I’m one of them. Zero effects - good or bad.
No weigh loss, reduction in liking food, hunger, food noise or liking drinking. No slowing of food processing, no nausea, no difference in fullness, no constipation or diarrhea.
I went to max dose of Ozempic and now on 12.5mg of Mounjaro. Don’t have diabetes btw.
es0411 | 3 hours ago
84% of families on GLP-1 still eat McDonalds.
sfcnmone | 7 hours ago
Gee. It's almost like calories in calories out might not be all that's going on with weight loss.
I read a small study recently on this topic that pointed out that almost all of that 15% who don't lose weight on the full dose of Semaglutide had longstanding DM2.
Ketra | 6 hours ago
Or they take glp-1s and still eat too much.
Paperwife2 | 6 hours ago
They usually account for that in studies.
HopeFloatsFoward | 6 hours ago
How do they account for it?
darkblue2382 | 6 hours ago
if the research question why does x not react like y and it appears x is eating z% more in calories comparitively, I think that explains the difference.
They may want to know functionally why x chooses to eat more calories or why does y group eat fewer, but it explains the initial question and then they can look to the mechanism under it.
One-Organization970 | 6 hours ago
Having tried a GLP-1, it made me unable to eat food even if I wanted to eat food, because I just felt full. If someone is still eating too much on a GLP-1 it means the drug isn't working. If it's working you shouldn't be able to overeat.
I ultimately dropped it because I didn't like the sensation. I just tried it because we had it lying around but the person taking it couldn't take it anymore.
littlerae0fsunshine | 5 hours ago
There are people who eat through that sensation of fullness because they are eating as a maladaptive coping mechanism, and its compulsive. They will struggle even with this kind of drug because its essentially a form of self-harm that they are using to regulate, and unless they learn other skills to do that, they will need the eating to function.
lilidragonfly | 4 hours ago
This is how I feel all the time and why I struggle to gain weight, I think. I just get full so fast. I used to force more food down, its pretty horrible though and not sustainable. Appetite is weird.
AspieAsshole | 6 hours ago
I had a similar experience, but I only tried it briefly.
One-Organization970 | 5 hours ago
I'm sure if I kept at it maybe I'd have grown a tolerance to it. But it was just awful and I was on the lowest possible dose for a couple months. It was a panic response to some sudden weight gain, but my workout routine ultimately leveled that out and brought me back where I wanted to be.
It also annoyed me that the stuff made weed edibles not work unless I took a ridiculous amount. I think just because it slows your digestive tract down.
AspieAsshole | 4 hours ago
I tried it because some people with my health condition experience anti inflammatory benefits from it, but it compounded my gastroparesis too much. I basically couldn't eat at all for a week.
Giraffe1317 | 6 hours ago
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted for this but there should definitely be some clearer education for people to understand what influences the calories in vs calories out equation!
One-Organization970 | 6 hours ago
A lot of people (usually people who don't have to put a lot of work into staying thin) tend to get extremely angry at the idea that weight is associated with anything other than willpower.
Ketra | 5 hours ago
A lot of people (usually people who dont track calories and have a hard time losing weight) tend to get extremely angry at the idea that weight is associated with the amount of food they eat.
There is nuance and it can be harder for some people for many reasons.
But it is literally impossible to gain fat when eating a calorie deficit. That's not really a negotiable fact.
One-Organization970 | 5 hours ago
Heh, nice try, but I'm able to maintain my weight without medicine. The thing is that if maintaining a calorie deficit is torturous for one person and a mild discomfort for another, that makes a huge difference. And that's the key. I often forget to eat, I just don't have a strong hunger drive.
Have you ever met a fat person who legitimately has never heard the idea that they could consider eating less? Or do you think maybe they respond negatively because that's obviously everybody's first idea but it didn't work for them? Fat people tend to be the people who have tried the most strategies to lose weight.
You're not special, you're just lucky. Same as me.
Ketra | 4 hours ago
You just shifted your argument from willpower not mattering enough to it be entirely about willpower against suffering.
One-Organization970 | 4 hours ago
It's not worth being skinny if you feel terrible the whole time. Different people literally experience the physical sensation of hunger differently.
Ketra | 4 hours ago
Im aware, that's why i said its harder for people for "many" reasons.
But the science behind calorie deficits isn't negotiable
One-Organization970 | 3 hours ago
It's just also unhelpful. If it isn't an actually tenable strategy for the patient population, then repeating it like a mantra is pointless. Literally every fat person has been told to eat less. You're not helping by joining in.
Ketra | 3 hours ago
Calorie deficits aren't negotiable is important because it tells a person to look elsewhere for answers and to not waste their time ruminating on a false narrative.
Your original post was playing into the meme that willpower is over played. That's harmful.
Cthulhus-Tailor | 4 hours ago
Fat people believing they’re just unlucky is a big reason why they’re fat.
One-Organization970 | 4 hours ago
I'm sure it feels very affirming to believe that.
sfcnmone | 6 hours ago
It's because people really want to believe that the body is a simple machine that they learned all about in high school.
They also tend to believe that semaglutide works because of appetite suppression, when today is perhaps the least of the things it's doing.
RAIDguy | 2 hours ago
Its downvoted because fat people don't violate physics.
bobbery5 | 4 hours ago
Yeah, as someone with Binge Eating Disorder, a GLP-1 absolutely would not help me.
EdTheDuck94 | 3 hours ago
This was me.
Have you tried them?
bobbery5 | 3 hours ago
I have not.
But unless it's magically going to make me burn more calories than I consume during a binge, I'm not going to lose weight.
EdTheDuck94 | 3 hours ago
But that was the point for me.
It STOPPED the binging.
I burned more calories than I ate, because I just didn’t want to eat.
The food noise simply vanished. This is part of what they do.
Might be worth doing a bit of research and seeing what you think. I waited years thinking they wouldn’t work for me for (I suspect) all the same reasons as you.
Best thing I have ever done was buying 1 pen just to see.
I’m 20kg down and nearly at my second goal weight having crashed through my first goal practically without blinking!
These are miracle drugs IMO, I should have done this years ago, it’s astonishing what they do.
Have a read through some subs on here and ask any questions you can think of.
As a fellow struggler with binge eating, I wish you all the best and good luck 😊👍
ETA.
If you didn’t want to ask in the subs, please feel free to DM me, more than happy to share my experience if it helps.
FuckYouNotHappening | 3 hours ago
That’s the thing - it stops the compulsion to binge.
TemporaryElk5202 | 3 hours ago
it still could. like not guaranteed but it could still reduce your binges
Mindless-Baker-7757 | 4 hours ago
Because they keep eating too much.