Her parents made a bad decision, but there should be consequences for the dairy.
California allows for the sale of raw milk for human consumption with regulations and posted warnings. I disagree with this policy, I don't think anyone should drink raw milk. But the dairy in this case did not follow California law. They were selling the milk privately, without the required regulations.
The farm should have been fined the max- $10,000. I don't think Baker is evil, I think she's dumb. She's so dumb that she mucks the goat enclosure and then eats without washing her hands. Not fining her allows her to think everything is fine.
For anyone who doesn't understand why raw milk is bad.... Lots and lots of children used to die from milk sickness. What changed was pasteurization. It is a process of heating milk to kill bacteria. That's all it is. There are no chemicals involved, just low heat. Raw milk is not pasteurized, meaning any germs the cow or goat has is transmitted in the milk. And it can kill people. Adults like Baker have stronger immune systems and are less likely to get seriously ill, but that doesn't mean it is healthy. No one should drink raw milk. I wouldn't even give it to a pet.
Yeah I’ve genuinely never understood what magic power people think they’re getting from raw milk. They’re just getting the same product but with a lot more harmful bacteria.
I can sort of understand the idea of getting raw milk just from the perspective of “this guy walks out, milks the cow, and hands me the milk, so I’m participating in a highly local and sustainable dairy market.”
But then… just heat the milk yourself? Like, why do you think you need exposure to fucking E. coli or whatever?
IT's AbOuT thE vItAmInS ThAt gEt KiLled By ThE haeT.
Genuinely, that's the answer I got from one of the numbskulls here on Reddit.
Killing pathogens majorly outweights the miniscule degradation of vitamins in milk. Plus, milk is not the only source of vitamins in their diet, I hope!
It's irrational, contrarian behaviour deployed to feel a sense of control in their lives at the expense of health and wellbeing.
Vitamins or probiotics? And milk seems so low stakes in terms of nutrients that by either logic I would expect that the rest of their diet is 100% raw and uncooked.
You know what I'm thinking, in India raw milk is available everywhere, but nobody will ever think about drinking it raw, because they know it's dangerous. I guess these morons don't have enough braincell to think about the risks, because we had made rules to protect us against them. But now they've associated those guardrails with their conspiracy theories about the government completely ignoring why we have made it a rule in the first place.
Another thing that comes to mind is vaccines. One might think vaccines are harmful only because their benefits have become non-apparent.
Not wanting anybody to die but if the risks become more apparent maybe people will finally wake up
No. Children deserve safety regardless of whether parents are fucking idiots or not. No one should be selling poison as something that should be consumed, the seller is in the wrong here.
well, yes but i don’t think that absolves sellers of raw milk not testing for common food-borne illnesses. especially in the article case where the raw milk is heavily advertised. there’s enough blame to go around.
I 1000% agree with you, but in this story it really sounds like the parents were just ignorant and the dairy was very clearly breaking the law. The quote at the end by the mom is pretty telling I think. I mean, at least there’s an acknowledgment of accountability coming from the mom that’s seemingly rare in these kinds of situations: “I’m going to hate myself to the day I die for having allowed that to happen,” she said. Now more fearful of harming her children, she agonizes over whether meat is undercooked or pasteurized milk has been sitting out on the counter too long.”
Lots of contributors to this outcome. The farm should have been properly licenced (which would have required it to test properly for pathogens) and should not have claimed they were "a clean tested herd". The parents should have done actual research from independent sources into why milk is normally pasteurised in the first place and what they should look out for and ask about to confirm whether milk they're buiying is safe for infants and children (and surely there's somewhere that could sell them pasteurised goat milk?). The chiropractor and White House and everyone else should stop recommending fucking grifters and 'wellness influencers' and other vested interests hanging around and pushing unsafe beliefs and products.
“She had bought raw goat milk from a farm recommended to her in a Facebook group run by her chiropractor. Marris had hoped the milk, unprocessed and natural, would help with her daughter Brooklyn’s constipation.”
This entire situation really butters my biscuits!!!
A goat dairy farmer (Courtney Baker) was advertising her raw milk on a chiropractor's Facebook page, and the mother in the article was sold this raw milk for her toddler.
Baker later lied to CA regulators saying that they only sold raw milk as animal food (lol). Read the article to see what happened to Baker.
brandnewanimals | 16 hours ago
“She had bought raw goat milk from a farm recommended to her in a Facebook group run by her chiropractor” - I’m already terrified
ETA: thank you for the award!
Porij | 16 hours ago
A pediatric and prenatal chiropractor. Geez.
starfleetdropout6 | 16 hours ago
A one-sentence horror story.
elinordash | 18 hours ago
Her parents made a bad decision, but there should be consequences for the dairy.
California allows for the sale of raw milk for human consumption with regulations and posted warnings. I disagree with this policy, I don't think anyone should drink raw milk. But the dairy in this case did not follow California law. They were selling the milk privately, without the required regulations.
The farm should have been fined the max- $10,000. I don't think Baker is evil, I think she's dumb. She's so dumb that she mucks the goat enclosure and then eats without washing her hands. Not fining her allows her to think everything is fine.
For anyone who doesn't understand why raw milk is bad.... Lots and lots of children used to die from milk sickness. What changed was pasteurization. It is a process of heating milk to kill bacteria. That's all it is. There are no chemicals involved, just low heat. Raw milk is not pasteurized, meaning any germs the cow or goat has is transmitted in the milk. And it can kill people. Adults like Baker have stronger immune systems and are less likely to get seriously ill, but that doesn't mean it is healthy. No one should drink raw milk. I wouldn't even give it to a pet.
/u/sourpussmcgee, /u/goshthisishard
etherealsmog | 18 hours ago
Yeah I’ve genuinely never understood what magic power people think they’re getting from raw milk. They’re just getting the same product but with a lot more harmful bacteria.
I can sort of understand the idea of getting raw milk just from the perspective of “this guy walks out, milks the cow, and hands me the milk, so I’m participating in a highly local and sustainable dairy market.”
But then… just heat the milk yourself? Like, why do you think you need exposure to fucking E. coli or whatever?
New-Negotiation7234 | 17 hours ago
These people should visit the farms and see all the poop. Would never do this after farm animals. Poop. So much poop
Edit: "She had bought raw goat milk from a farm recommended to her in a Facebook group run by her chiropractor. ". What a sentene.
“Would like to buy like a gallon 🤗🤗🤗” the emojis in the undercover message
etherealsmog | 12 hours ago
The emojis stood out to me as well. 😂
ShapeShiftingCats | 12 hours ago
IT's AbOuT thE vItAmInS ThAt gEt KiLled By ThE haeT.
Genuinely, that's the answer I got from one of the numbskulls here on Reddit.
Killing pathogens majorly outweights the miniscule degradation of vitamins in milk. Plus, milk is not the only source of vitamins in their diet, I hope!
It's irrational, contrarian behaviour deployed to feel a sense of control in their lives at the expense of health and wellbeing.
pennypenny22 | 9 hours ago
I wonder how many vitamins they lose from shitting their brains out.
ShapeShiftingCats | 9 hours ago
What brains?
Arjvoet | an hour ago
Vitamins or probiotics? And milk seems so low stakes in terms of nutrients that by either logic I would expect that the rest of their diet is 100% raw and uncooked.
ShapeShiftingCats | an hour ago
You are expecting consistency from irrational people...
carolina822 | 17 hours ago
They get the smug satisfaction of sticking it to the mindless sheeple that just drink their plain old non-tainted milk.
Joe_Kangg | 17 hours ago
One guess, it rhymes with spacenook
Fluid_crystal | 11 hours ago
You know what I'm thinking, in India raw milk is available everywhere, but nobody will ever think about drinking it raw, because they know it's dangerous. I guess these morons don't have enough braincell to think about the risks, because we had made rules to protect us against them. But now they've associated those guardrails with their conspiracy theories about the government completely ignoring why we have made it a rule in the first place.
Another thing that comes to mind is vaccines. One might think vaccines are harmful only because their benefits have become non-apparent.
Not wanting anybody to die but if the risks become more apparent maybe people will finally wake up
sourpussmcgee | 19 hours ago
Shouldn’t this be the responsibility of the parents?
mrsbergstrom | 16 hours ago
No. Children deserve safety regardless of whether parents are fucking idiots or not. No one should be selling poison as something that should be consumed, the seller is in the wrong here.
actsqueeze | 17 hours ago
The seller knowingly sold tainted milk that she new would be consumed by human children
Joe_Kangg | 17 hours ago
Oh
gaymilfappreciator | 18 hours ago
well, yes but i don’t think that absolves sellers of raw milk not testing for common food-borne illnesses. especially in the article case where the raw milk is heavily advertised. there’s enough blame to go around.
Andromeda321 | 17 hours ago
Why not both?
WrigglyGizka | 18 hours ago
The dairy farmer was also breaking the law.
lbdwatkins | 17 hours ago
I 1000% agree with you, but in this story it really sounds like the parents were just ignorant and the dairy was very clearly breaking the law. The quote at the end by the mom is pretty telling I think. I mean, at least there’s an acknowledgment of accountability coming from the mom that’s seemingly rare in these kinds of situations:
“I’m going to hate myself to the day I die for having allowed that to happen,” she said. Now more fearful of harming her children, she agonizes over whether meat is undercooked or pasteurized milk has been sitting out on the counter too long.”
nocuzzlikeyea13 | 15 hours ago
I'm confused. Do you think food quality shouldn't be regulated?
LesAnglaissontarrive | 12 hours ago
Did you read the article?
letthetreeburn | 17 hours ago
Technically yes but if you sold food with a label “30% arsenic GUARANTEED!” you’re still going to jail
othervee | 18 hours ago
Lots of contributors to this outcome. The farm should have been properly licenced (which would have required it to test properly for pathogens) and should not have claimed they were "a clean tested herd". The parents should have done actual research from independent sources into why milk is normally pasteurised in the first place and what they should look out for and ask about to confirm whether milk they're buiying is safe for infants and children (and surely there's somewhere that could sell them pasteurised goat milk?). The chiropractor and White House and everyone else should stop recommending fucking grifters and 'wellness influencers' and other vested interests hanging around and pushing unsafe beliefs and products.
elinordash | 17 hours ago
>the parents should have done actual research from independent sources
The problem is that the mother thought she was researching the issue. If the algorithm knows you are crunchy, it will give you pro-raw milk sources.
This is why the government needs to step in and make it illegal to sell raw milk. There is no reason to allow the sale at all.
LadybugGirltheFirst | 15 hours ago
You mean the government that recommended injecting bleach to kill covid?
thefruitsofzellman | 8 hours ago
“She had bought raw goat milk from a farm recommended to her in a Facebook group run by her chiropractor. Marris had hoped the milk, unprocessed and natural, would help with her daughter Brooklyn’s constipation.”
Perfection.
WrigglyGizka | 18 hours ago
This entire situation really butters my biscuits!!!
A goat dairy farmer (Courtney Baker) was advertising her raw milk on a chiropractor's Facebook page, and the mother in the article was sold this raw milk for her toddler.
Baker later lied to CA regulators saying that they only sold raw milk as animal food (lol). Read the article to see what happened to Baker.
goshthisishard | 18 hours ago
The parents need to be held responsible for feeding such a young child raw milk.
DeadWishUpon | 5 hours ago
You know what we do in a 3rd world country, we boil the freeking milk
TissueOfLies | 18 hours ago
Can someone punish the neglectful parents, too?!
wrecklessdriver | 10 hours ago
While we're at it, can we stop collectively viewing chiropractors as medical practitioners instead of the charlatans that they are?
hopeful_realist_ | 8 hours ago
Reminder that the origins of chiropractic medicine is a message from a ghost. I wish I were kidding.
New-Negotiation7234 | 9 hours ago
Yeah why didn't the parents bring their child back to the chiropractor to treat her e-coli? I'm sure he could have saved her life. /s