From the article:
Objections to the South Africa analogy inevitably hinge on the fact that Israel has 2 million Palestinian citizens. But that omits the nearly 6 million *non-*citizens who happen to have been born and live on the same land, with no prospect of ever attaining citizenship or the right to inhabit their own homes. It’s true that South Africa’s laws were different from Israel’s, but they aimed to solve the same puzzle: Keeping political power in the right hands.
You're telling me that foreign citizens don't enjoy the same rights citizens do?
You're honestly telling me that (((Israel))) functions like literally every single other county on the planet? I'm shocked, I tell you.
How are the ~5.5 million 'non-citizen Israelis' living in the state of Israel in your judgement "foreign", out of interest? They are not foreign in the sense that they are from a different country or state...
I really wish I could ask people like you if you believe your own arguments or if you think the rest of us are just really dumb and trust I would get an honest answer. I obviously wouldn't so I guess I have to trust my own intuition, which is that it is both but mostly the second.
Palestinians aren't "foreign citizens." They have been deprived of sovereignty by Israel, living under occupation without any say in the government that rules them.
How can one be a foreigner in their homeland? Palestinians are the rightful owners of the country currently called Israel; you can export Jews from all over the world, but you'll never change that fact.
"Blood and soil" will always be a fascist view of the world. The vast majority of Israelis were born in Palestine. The idea they were "exported" and can be cleansed from the land is obscenely racist.
Israel is an evil country because it deprives half of its citizens of rights and freedom. You cannot achieve justice without recognizing the universality of human rights.
Where did I say anything about cleansing Israelis from Palestine? My comment was actually the opposite; that Jews attempting to cleanse Arabs from their homeland is foolish.
You are also essentially calling most of the world/citizenship laws fascist. Assuming that I had a visa allowing me to work in the UK for a good number of years; if I had a child, born in the UK, during that time, would they have as much rights to UK citizenship as someone whose family has been rooted there for the past 100 years? Should every country adopt the US's birthright citizenship?
I am South African, btw. And I know that the Apartheid government encouraged immigration of the "right" people from Europe a few decades ago, not because of the benefits they would bring, but to strengthen their racist arguments and claims. Meanwhile, the black South Africans who didn't have any other home other than South Africa needed passes and other documentation to move in the country. Oh, btw; the Apartheid government referred to its preferred group as "Europeans" in official documentation, and the blacks as "Africans". In South Africa, while trying to argue that they had more claims to the country than others.
AwarenessMassive | 20 hours ago
From the article:
Objections to the South Africa analogy inevitably hinge on the fact that Israel has 2 million Palestinian citizens. But that omits the nearly 6 million *non-*citizens who happen to have been born and live on the same land, with no prospect of ever attaining citizenship or the right to inhabit their own homes. It’s true that South Africa’s laws were different from Israel’s, but they aimed to solve the same puzzle: Keeping political power in the right hands.
Fluid_Drummer1665 | 17 hours ago
You're telling me that foreign citizens don't enjoy the same rights citizens do? You're honestly telling me that (((Israel))) functions like literally every single other county on the planet? I'm shocked, I tell you.
dauty | 12 hours ago
How are the ~5.5 million 'non-citizen Israelis' living in the state of Israel in your judgement "foreign", out of interest? They are not foreign in the sense that they are from a different country or state...
pantone13-0752 | 15 hours ago
I really wish I could ask people like you if you believe your own arguments or if you think the rest of us are just really dumb and trust I would get an honest answer. I obviously wouldn't so I guess I have to trust my own intuition, which is that it is both but mostly the second.
asentientgrape | 13 hours ago
Palestinians aren't "foreign citizens." They have been deprived of sovereignty by Israel, living under occupation without any say in the government that rules them.
Key_Gap9168 | 16 hours ago
How can one be a foreigner in their homeland? Palestinians are the rightful owners of the country currently called Israel; you can export Jews from all over the world, but you'll never change that fact.
asentientgrape | 13 hours ago
"Blood and soil" will always be a fascist view of the world. The vast majority of Israelis were born in Palestine. The idea they were "exported" and can be cleansed from the land is obscenely racist.
Israel is an evil country because it deprives half of its citizens of rights and freedom. You cannot achieve justice without recognizing the universality of human rights.
Key_Gap9168 | 12 hours ago
Where did I say anything about cleansing Israelis from Palestine? My comment was actually the opposite; that Jews attempting to cleanse Arabs from their homeland is foolish.
You are also essentially calling most of the world/citizenship laws fascist. Assuming that I had a visa allowing me to work in the UK for a good number of years; if I had a child, born in the UK, during that time, would they have as much rights to UK citizenship as someone whose family has been rooted there for the past 100 years? Should every country adopt the US's birthright citizenship?
I am South African, btw. And I know that the Apartheid government encouraged immigration of the "right" people from Europe a few decades ago, not because of the benefits they would bring, but to strengthen their racist arguments and claims. Meanwhile, the black South Africans who didn't have any other home other than South Africa needed passes and other documentation to move in the country. Oh, btw; the Apartheid government referred to its preferred group as "Europeans" in official documentation, and the blacks as "Africans". In South Africa, while trying to argue that they had more claims to the country than others.
Jamgull | 2 hours ago
Why are you in this subreddit if you don’t want to read the article and engage with the ideas presented?