Iran’s new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei has said all U.S. military bases in the Middle East should close immediately as those bases will be attacked, in his first public statement since being appointed.
The closure of the Strait of Hormuz maritime passage should be continued as a “tool to pressure the enemy,” he said, in televised comments translated by Reuters. Oil prices extended gains following the comments.
Looks like the Supreme Leader knows more about economics than Dear Leader. And he knows how to maximise the pain.
Doesn’t look like the war will be over soon. Long-term pain (for many people)… but is there any gain (aside for Russia)?
Mojtaba is more aggressive than his father and less pragmatic which is a very large issue considering the characters he’s dealing with.
Most people with an understanding of Iran had hoped his father would die naturally so the clerics wouldn’t feel pressured to replace the old man with a hard liner. But two clowns doubled down and made the old man a martyr so now we got this guy.
He’s also fighting an enemy who just days ago killed his father, wife and daughter. There’s no reason to expect him to hold any moderate positions or to end the war on Trump’s terms. Neither he nor the Iranian people have anything to gain from it.
I put that in my own personal circumstance, mum, dad, brother, wife, only son, and feck me I would want blood, and they voted for him fully appreciating he wants blood, this won't be a negotiated settlement, it will just be trump declaring he won so so so much, and it's over, and then paint Iran as the bad party for keeping it going.....
I respect your view but genuinely think he will TACO, a leopard doesn't change its spots, and the world has to start ratcheting up pressure on him e.g. Europe, Japan, South Korea, China etc.
As I keep trying to explain to others, you can't TACO a major war.
Last year Iran let the US and Israel declare victory and leave after the 12 day war, which was a limited war targeting their nuclear sites and air defenses. What did it get them? This war less than a year later. The US and Israel have also devastated the Iranian air force, air defenses, and navy and started attacking the Iranian defense industry. If Iran let's the US/Israel declare victory, nothing at all stops them from finishing the job next year.
No, Iran needs to inflict immense economic pain on the US and the Gulf States to serve as a deterrent for a future conflict. Another 2 week war with minimal lasting consequences won't deter anything. So Iran is determined to keep the war going until it inflicts enough pain that the US and Israel are dissuaded from ever attacking Iran again. They're achieving this through a blockade of the Strait. They're not going to let up unless they're forced to, or until the damage is bad enough in their minds that no one will try it again.
And keep in mind that this war began, as we discussed, with the death of most of the current Ayatollah's family. He's not going to capitulate anytime soon, on the US/Israeli terms, just because that's what Trump wants.
In a war, both sides get a vote in when the conflict ends. Trump literally can't end this war unilaterally.
They can also destroy American assets in the region and try to convince the hosts of those assets that it is in their interest to expel the Americans.
It’s a potentially effective strategy to rewrite thd power balance in the region. Why would these countries continue hosting American bases, refuel their ships, and so on if America can’t protect them in a war that American started? How long will they tolerate their infrastructure being destroyed and economy being trashed?
In that case, if the US had left and the strait remained closed, I'd imagine most western nations consider it casus belli to forcefully keep the strait open.
The US and Israel have already destroyed anything that was readily bombable. Iran's remaining military and military industrial complex is located deep inside their mountains. They'll aim to make sure a missile hits our ass on the way out.
I think it was my favorite kook, prof xueqin jiang who pointed out these bases weren’t for combat, they were to enforce rule by US favored autocrats. This will cause widespread instability and loss of US influence. Basically surrendering US control of the Middle East to China, Russia and others.
Idgaf, but everything he did makes the US worse off. And now we’re going to see widespread nuclear proliferation and inevitable nuclear exchange in the next 10 years.
I personally know a couple of people whose families were the victims of bombings and who took up arms and vowed to fight to the end. I asked them why they did it - it was a very pragmatic “you just do”. It’s beyond religion or ideology. It’s them loving their family to literal death.
They accept that they might be the loser at the end of the day, but they also accept that as a likely and viable outcome.
We are super screwed. You can’t kill peoples family members and expect to get away with it.
That's one of the biggest ironies of the war, it will make the regime more popular and stable than ever. Nothing rallies people more than foreign invasion.
It especially doesn't help when Israel has flat out said they'd be happy with a situation akin to the Syrian civil war where the country splinters into dozens of factions, sectarian violence is widespread, and hundreds of thousands of people die and millions become refugees.
Yup. Similar to how the genocide in Gaza has produced, at minimum, 60,000 orphans- likely far more. Do you guys want Hamas? Because that’s how you get Hamas. The entire region will be waging a bitter blood feud against the west for generations to come.
There were border guards. It's just they had watched 8 months of the war between Ukraine and Russia and not learned that maybe you should occasionally look up.
Israel really needed to take that one on the chin and move along. No one's security is existentially threatened by their own staggering incompetence.
Yeah. We haven't seen any live video since then. And it's kind of odd that bombs could destroy everything in a half kilometer radius and only injure him...
The one saving grace we have is that he has made comments about keeping his aggression pointed to the US military and not the US citizens. The worst case scenario right now is Iran landing a major terrorist strike on US soil and risk giving Trump a boost in popularity as people rally to the flag in panic.
Can you please explain why Iran hitting legitimate targets on American soil is ‘terrorism’ while Americans blowing up schools and making it rain oil is Tehran is warfare?
Also, note that your ‘worst case scenario’ is what America does to other countries for funsies. Including, most recently, Iran.
I just love how on the internet people will invent entire arguments you never said just so that they can get mad at them.
> Can you please explain why Iran hitting legitimate targets on American soil is ‘terrorism’
Are you saying that a country's civillians should be considered legitimate targets? So by your logic what the US is doing is totally moral and cool so long as Iran gets to do the same? Me personally, I am on the side of not bombing children regardless of their country of origin.
I am against this invasion, I wouldn't disagree with calling the strike on the school terrorism, and honestly if they did manage to get revenge for the death of their leader by taking ours I would probably mail them a fucking gift basket.
I think from a philosophical point of view, it's hard to define what a civilian even is in modern warfare.
Most if not all of us contribute to the war effort in some way. Like obviously the uniformed members of the military are legitimate targets, but what about the hundreds of thousands of civilians thar work for the DoD? Everything from engineering consultants to the guys who maintain the chow halls.
And then there's the hundreds of thousands of people who work for companies that directly or indirectly support the DoD, even in ways you wouldn't normally associate with war. Like what about the software devs that work for Microsoft? Every PC in the military is a Windows machine. What about Open AI employees? Google employees? SpaceX Employees? What about the people who run and maintain chat apps that GIs use to stay in contact with their families while overseas?
As an extreme example, what about the bar just outside of a military base that primarily serves GIs, raising their morale?
Just to note, that's what they said before about their attacks in the gulf countries and their attacks towards Israel - that they're only targeting military targets.
So far in Israel only civilians have been hit and killed, and in the gulf countries it's been mostly civilians who got injured or died. So, I wouldn't take them at their word (obviously their excuse is that their ornaments are just not accurate enough).
The Iranian people have a lot to gain from this conflict ending. But no one on either side gives a shit about the civilians who are suffering the most dire consequences.
Has the West or Israel changed their stance towards Iran? Did the Gulf countries? You're saying the war should just continue then? Looks to be that way.
Obama literally signed the JPCOA which was a massive fig leaf, Iran didn’t soften its rhetoric or its support of proxies in war against Israel or its support of Syria.
The war has been going on since their regime came into power. It’s why proxies are so effective. They add plausible deniability when they’re enacting your agenda.
Why would Israel change its stance? Iran post revolution explicitly calls for the end of Israel and support proxies in every direction to de legitimise Israel as it has done in Yemen with Saudi Arabia.
You can act like the Empire's word is law and is the only one allowed to fight in a war. The hostility began when the US overthrew Iran's government. Why would they be friendly? What international law is that one?
Israel has voted for the cleansing of Palestine in the Knesset. Those resisting them arent the terrorist here, neither are those supporting them.
Most of the time, the US just rolls over the others. Sometimes someone is able to fight back.
So clearly you want war, you'll be satisfied when Trump chooses their leader I guess, thats why you support his war to do it. You must be happy, you got it.
Right and how does opposing US and Israel along with the rest of the gulf in a proxy war better their people’s interests?
It just doesn’t. People don’t want to live under sanctions. Yes the US overthrew Iran, that doesn’t mean this current government has popular support or legitimacy. It’s not a defence for the foreign policy it has chosen.
What law in the Knesset are you referring to? How exactly has Hamas helped the Palestinians?
I don’t want war. In fact this Iranian regime remaining in power means perpetual war through Iranian proxies against Israel and Saudi Arabia. I’m not happy about what’s happening but this is the culmination of decades of Iranian foreign policy.
This war is wrong because it doesn’t have a clear goal, is a massive act of aggression on behalf of the US administration. Everyone on reddit has a problem with Israel but it makes a lot of sense to want a regime gone that is fighting you in multiple theatres.
I'm talking about the people dying in this conflict like the girls bombed in that school...
My comment was more hypothetical than anything. The civilians in Iran will just continue to suffer and die the longer this goes on and its in their interest for it to end. But the odds of a lasting peace coming any time soon are remote and as you say the odds of the US/Israel actually maintaining that peace longer term may be even lower.
There’s nothing to be gained from signing a peace treaty with a partner who has clearly demonstrated, on multiple occasions, that they will simply break the terms of the agreement and resume bombing at will, whenever the mood strikes. Should the US offer to meet and discuss terms, they’re more likely to bomb the building and blow up everyone in it than they are to abide by the terms of any agreement they sign. There’s simply no reason for current leadership to engage in good faith and every reason for them to just leave Trump on read.
People are deluded by their hate of Trump. These are theocratic nutjobs, the Iranian people would be better off by every measure if they moderated. The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend in this case. This war was stupid but it's not as if there was a peace treaty after the June strike, everyone knew it was unstable.
The United States and Israel have been pretty clear in our intent to create a failed state. If you need further proof, look at any of the statements about wiping out all Iranians or installing another religious despot who’s loyal to our dictator.
If I was an Iranian, I would feel betrayed and outraged. Betrayed as the United States ensured my country would have to rally behind the flag of an old dying theocrat while they bomb the areas most likely to hold pro democratic sentiments, and outraged because my family and home is being annihilated by teens sent over to distract from the Epstein class raping and trafficking children.
TL;DR - USA / Israel are committing war crimes gleefully, all the while the global economy unravels. Hopefully this is when it all comes tumbling down, because the alternative is an imperium where even your soul is up for sale (if anybody thinks neuralink is for your benefit you’re a fucking idiot, regardless of the technological capability the intent is apparent. And these are the technate who rule us)
>Hopefully this is when it all comes tumbling down,
Hopefully Iranian war crimes lead to global economic collapse? Wtf are you talking about? That would be so much worse than the status quo for billions of people. This war is stupid but wtf is this? I don't want millions to starve to stick it to Trump.
The Iranian people gain from Iran winning and America losing. An armistice means they lose and we win. If for no other reason than we'll rearm and attack again X months from now.
> Neither he nor the Iranian people have anything to gain from it.
He has a lot to gain. When you deal with a country that is 100x stronger than you militarily and can wipe you out and decimate your already fractured economy, it would stand to reason that yielding would be a far more logical path.
The hard line approach has not worked for his father and will not work for him, and it definitely does not benefit his people. In fact I can't think of any country that did well going on a hard line approach against a stronger opponent
Diplomacy hasn’t worked. The United States and Israel break ceasefire agreements at will. Iran was actively negotiating when the first bombs dropped. They had a nuclear agreement which they were abiding by until Trump tore it up. They signed the NPT. And still the bombs fall.
An example of a country that did well with the hardline approach is North Korea, who wisely chose nuclear deterrence over negotiation. You’ll note they are not be bombed by Israel or the US and most of their elementary schools remain intact.
A better example is Israel, who have refused to sign any nuclear agreements, developed their own weapons program in secret, and have taken a hardline approach with every one of its regional rivals. Tel Aviv is standing, Tehran is burning. Iran tried diplomacy. It didn’t work.
Israel was the stronger country though - it won war after war against much bigger armies that aimed to destroy them. It then cultivated smart peace agreement with neighbors, maintained strong connections with the west and the US and focused on improving the lives of their citizens.
That's the reason Tel Aviv isn't burning, because they have amazing air defenses and shelter spaces for civilians and a very strong air force that manages to take down the opposing army's forces.
It's not as if having a nuke has made Iran stand down and avoid attacking Israel, it was just using a more strategic and less direct approach with what was known as the "axis of resistance" that Iran constructed around Israel.
Khamenei (sr)'s strategy was to build military strength in proxy armies that would serve as tentacle arms that would keep Israel deterred by threat of annihilation from all sides. Hezbollah being the most serious force among them. And it was a strategy that worked for decades, until Hamas attacked and miscalculated, it likely caught the other arms by surprise which allowed Israel to deal with each threat, clean the board and then go after Iran unimpeded.
As for the current conflict, idk if it was warranted or not, what Iran's real plans were and how earnest they were in negotiations. Let's even assume they were, it could just very well had been a bridge too far.
It's not as if Khamenei (sr) wasn't still arming Iran for a future conflict instead of focusing on internal issues - economical, the draught, the internal unrest. Iran kept funneling money into the same strategy, it sent Hezbollah hundreds of millions to rebuild (https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iranian-funds-for-hezbollah-are-flowing-through-dubai-85785a77) and we're seeing the result of that in the new wave of attacks from Hezbollah.
You can't just say the right words, you gotta follow it with actions and it doesn't seem like Iran was doing any of that in the past 8 months since the first conflict.
Not saying Israel and the US's strategy here is a good one, fanatic leaders rarely listen to logic or care about their people dying if it means getting even. I mean, both Khamenei (sr) was quite willing to murder his own citizens to show force. So I doubt the son (who very much approved of thet action) would surrender - I just refuse to accept it as a "logical" and "just" course of action, as if it benefits anyone but himself.
He does not represent the majority of the Iranian people whom his father and cronies have massacred years after year. He has never been a moderate. And he represents a faction that does not believe in freedom of speech or any other rights that Westerners and the Iranian masses hold sacres for living in total freedom. You might hate Trump and have the right to criticize him but do not mislead by making a asinine excuse on why this real estate mogul ayatollah cannot hold a moderate view. It has nothing to do with his family getting killed.
USA has attacked Iran for the second time within 1 year in the middle of negociations. There is no reason to think they would not just attack again if they peaced out now. The only way Iran can be safe from attacks is if it manages to force the USA leave the Gulf of Persia
No it’s not arguably. They’ve ramped up censorship since the start of the war in Gaza but it’s nowhere near the same as Iran as listed by reporters without borders in which Iran is one of the lowest in the world.
So how are they falling in their ratings in recent years? I would say it’s pretty easy to see censorship is up. Yet we still get so much information coming out of Gaza.
If the implication is that Israel is getting struck significantly harder yet it’s somehow covering it up, it’s unsubstantiated. And flies in the face of the fact that Iran is getting bombed by two nations and so much of their leadership is gone.
No one says Israel is getting struck harder. We aren't seeing much damage in Israel cause it is censored. We get very little from Gaza because media is not allowed in and Israel killed a bunch of journalists.
This is you typical Westerners always telling the truth nonsense that you are peddling.
There’s like 15 dead people in Israel from strikes.
There’s nearly 2000 in Iran. We aren’t seeing much damage because the vast majority have been intercepted, the issue for them is that Israel is going to run out of interceptor missiles.
The damage is orders of magnitude higher on one side. Israel has backing from US and can avoid that same destruction at first. Yes there is censorship of certain missile strike areas but in a nation with internet access to western sites it would leak incredibly fast.
Uh, what? The exact opposite is happening. Iranian attacks are almost always scrubbed or downplayed while attacks on Iran are widely circulated by the corporate media apparatus.
Each successful Iranian strike is all over Reddit and gets significant air time on the news. Three might be one every day or two, but every one gets attention and discussion.
The US and Israel are conducting hundreds of strikes in Iran every day.
Literally creating their own worst possible outcome
Kill the moderate hardliner holding the IRGC back and replace him with an IRGC puppet who will make sure Israel and the United States pays for their foolishness
And one who lost alot of his family in the last few days.. I'd wanna blow up the world if I lost my wife and children and sane..imagine someone with no restraints and the means to do it
Yeah, the potential psychological damage that would come from that really shouldn't be overlooked. It's also one of the problems that also occurs when fighting insurgencies too.
People generally don't take losing their family and friends well.
I mean I get this but I feel like people on reddit are making it sound like the sympathize with this guy. him and his family screwed up the lives of millions of Iranians. and a lot of people outside of Iran. he isnt some saint and I can guarantee you he and his family always knew they had a target on their backs
As opposed to the clamp down on protests that possibly killed up to 10,000 people?
If anything by what the newer ayatollah has said he will be probably even more unpopular. Protesters will be playing it safe as a clamp down leads to a chilling effect.
Nothing I said sympathises with the guy..I'm stating he has nothing to lose and the means to go for it. It isn't like Saddam sitting comfortably and living it up large. I actually don't even know how you came to that conclusion
Of course I don't I sympathise with the people who are stuck in the middle of this because the American president rapes kids and the Israeli president is hell bent on bringing on a doomsday scenario
Broadly speaking that’s the idea behind reformists
I’m assuming, since you’re asking, you don’t follow Iranian politics that much. I know a bit, but I just know experts, I don’t consider myself an expert.
The current president of Iran is from the Reformist faction. It was actually a huge deal at the time, Ebrahim Raisi was the president, a “principalist” (hardliner), and the protege of Khameini (and suspected by many to be the next in line after Khameini’s death), and none of this mattered because Raisi died in a helicopter crash.
Pezeshkian wins the ensuing special election with a mandate to negotiate with the United States to try and bring back Obama’s nuclear deal, versus the hardliner who wanted to focus on autarky and development independent from the global economic system.
In my experience a lot of people think that Iran is something like the Taliban when in reality they’re more similar to a place like Turkey. It’s not the best comparison, Iran is very much its own thing, but it at least gives you the idea.
And I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “democratic secular republic.” Iranians are in fact able to vote in elections and have for a long time, there were claims of fraudulent elections in the 00’s but not for awhile. They elect both the legislative body, the president, and even the Assembly of Experts. Now, they don’t get to choose who gets to be on the ballot, but that’s unfortunately rather common (even in the United States in a certain way but that’s a digression). They don’t elect the Supreme Leader, they’re chosen by the Assembly of Experts.
Regardless Iran isn’t really controlled by the mullahs, they’re powerful but the actually powerful controller of Iran is the IRGC
You really think the USA and their allies are going to tolerate this especially with the current admin? They’re going to hunt this terrorist down and make an example out of him just like they did Maduro. Iran just mad their move. It’s the USA’s turn next. We’ll see how they respond.
What do you mean “tolerate”. This is a war, if the US had an easy way to open up the straight and ensure safety of vessels passing through they would. Even if they hunt this guy down that doesn’t change anything. Iran has a strangle hold on Hormuz, they’ve been preparing for this situation for decades. The only military path to resolving this is a months if not years long conflict to root out all the arms from the mountains surrounding the straight.
You guys act likes it’s the USA vs Iran when it’s the world vs Iran. Iran is restricting global trade not just trade conducted by the USA. The USA started this conflict because Iran can’t be allowed to grow their nuclear program and they would not negotiate. Their response was global terrorism.
Global terrorism will not be tolerated. This will end badly for them and the entire world is against them. They have no allies other China who is staying out of the conflict, Russia who will only give them intel, and North Korea is useless.
But I was told by the pedophile rapist president that we decimated Iran's nuclear capabilities months ago. If Iran's nuclear capabilities were destroyed, why was any of this even necessary? Sounds like we were once again lied into a bullshit "wAr On tErRor" by warmongering Republicans.
Youre spreading Fake news, the iran nuclear programm is completly destroyed, there is no chance they are able to build a nuclear weapon in the next decades
Ya, the whole world seems really eager to join the conflict and put boots on the ground in Iran. Sure Iran is a problem for a lot of countries but the US and Israel have run head first into this war without much of a plan. They have no clear obtainable objectives. They have no plan for dealing with the closure of the strait of Hormuz. How are we going to accomplish regime change through bombing? What do you think the global economy is going to look like when the Strait of Hormuz is still closed 3, 6 months or a year from now? There's no military path to opening it short near term. They were in the middle of negotiations when the US abruptly called them off to start this quagmire.
We've learned this lesson already. Look at how things went in afghanistan and Iraq. Significantly smaller countries with far less leverage or military strength. After 20 years in afghanistan we accomplished very little and the Taliban are in control of the country again. At the cost of thousands of lives and a trillion dollars, the same terrorist organization is running the country. We're creating yet another generation of people who hate America because we've murdered their sisters, daughters, sons, brothers, fathers, mothers.
> You guys act likes it’s the USA vs Iran when it’s the world vs Iran. Iran is restricting global trade not just trade conducted by the USA. The USA started this conflict because Iran can’t be allowed to grow their nuclear program and they would not negotiate. Their response was global terrorism.
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Where the fuck do you get your 'info'?
Iran had a nuclear deal before Trump, Americans tore it up. Iran was negotiating last year for a new deal. Americans started bombing. Iran was negotiating last month again. Americans started bombing again.
The world is not on Iran's regime side, but it certainly isn't on America's either. This is Ayatollah vs pedo, and the world hopes this ends before the moron fucks up even more.
The USA in particular has a lousy memory of what it does and what repercussions arise from them. Iran simply has to wait out the attention span of the leader, Donald Trump, who has not exhibited an attention span on an issue longer than 2 weeks without getting distracted by things like plane things, Memphis Tennessee, or ballrooms.
If it was as easy as it was with Maduro, we'd have done it already. Maduro was an overnight operation, this is a War already at the 2 week mark.
The Iran strategy is to drain resolve from someone with little to start with. Trump is a President by whim. He's already blaming Rubio, Jaren and Hegseth for making him think Iran was about to start the War with us.
Trump is saying we've nearly done everything we wanted, despite outlining the current situation as basically the worst case scenario, because he is insecure and cannot handle the slightest of pressure.
Will the current leader of Iran probably eventually die by U.S. or Israeli hands/missles? Sure. But if we have to put boots on the ground or continue failing much longer, or when he dies the next is another hardliner, GOP's political position goes from horrid to worse.
Iran doesn't have to outlast the U.S.A. They only have to outlast Trump's political resolve.
Oh yes, the oh so terrifyingly effective fighting forces of the UAE and Saudi Arabia will totally turn the tides here. As soon as they enter the fray. Sometime now…
>Kill the moderate hardliner holding the IRGC back and replace him with an IRGC puppet who will make sure Israel and the United States pays for their foolishness
Iran's military capabilities have been decimated and many of their terror proxies (namely Hezbollah & Hamas) have been thoroughly dismantled.
Iran isn't an anime villain that can just keep coming back over and over after getting beat down. It is at its weakest point ever at this exact moment, and any recovery from this will take years upon years and a massive investment of money it doesn't have.
This stranglehold they currently have at the Strait of Hormuz is the their last line of defense. If the US and Israel can figure out how to get traffic flowing again, Frieza is toast.
Hezbollah literally launched 100 missiles at Israel last night and is crushing them in battle
Like I said, if you’re really arguing that closing the Straits of Hormuz is their trump card then you need to be careful, you are overdosing on copium.
A buddy of mine lives in northern Israel, he hasn’t been having a good time.
He despises the Israeli state and I won’t be surprised if he leaves the country with this as the last straw. He’s not fully anti-Zionist like I am but he’s definitely non-Zionist so it’s always been on his mind but he’s very much- “I don’t want to get killed by Hezbollah just so my government can commit a genocide.”
Well thats what I mean, trump has no actual balls when people repeatedly tell him no. If trump really was a pro American hardliner, he wouldn't be putins puppet and he wouldn't taco out of anything that makes him look bad to his base. A hardliner would be like, fuck the polls, imma get results and put my money where my mouth is.
Surprised 87 year old is less aggressive than his 57 year old son who lost his family.
We did not even give him a competition by bombing all potential suitors, we got the most hardliner elected. Nothing short of a surprise from this Administration. Some how MAGA will see this win.
Feels by design, like money going into the right pockets. Remember this is the president who said he's gonna make money with being president, and so far he's made a ton. Offshore.
"This guy is 86, frail and cancer ridden. We are looking at very narrow window to off him before father time does the job for us."
People went through that and decided I guess we'd better get to bombing. Are they actually reptillians in human skin suits? Did they escape from an asylum?
Smart money says he doesn't survive the war or is assassinated shortly after. The Israeli's probably couldn't come up with a worse pick for their interests to replace his father and haven't shown much restraint in killing iranian leaders to this point. My expectation is that Israel will kill him if they get the chance on the off chance that the next guy is someone they can work with.
They aren't looking for reasonable, they are creating a justification for their aggression and to fit the narrative they've been trying to create for decades
> Most people with an understanding of Iran had hoped his father would die naturally so the clerics wouldn’t feel pressured to replace the old man with a hard liner.
There's also the very important note that unlike most of the middle east, Iran is not Sunni, it is Shia. And Shia Islam feels extremely strongly towards martyrdom. It's a key concept of the faith system, dating back to its creation when they split from Sunni Islam with the death of Imam Husayn at the battle of Karbala.
And killing the leader outright as well as a school full of kids just turned them all into martyrs. As you said, the Clerics here won't be able to just drop it or choose a pragmatist. The people are enraged and they chose someone who will echo that.
Further, Iran was just attacked less than a year ago. To them, this is existential - if they stop, they will just get attacked again. They've spent decades under sanctions so depression/recession isn't going to hurt them nearly as badly as they will the US.
Edit: They also know that their country is a massive geological fortress that is nearly impossible to truly invade (look at a topo map and you'll see what I mean).
The regime knows it’s a geological fortress. That’s how they’ve managed to get away with deciding to have perpetual war with US and Israel despite the rest of the region trying to stabilise and normalise relations.
Majority of Iranians know it’s not existential. They don’t want to live under this regime, they don’t want sanctions over some insane ideological war. This isn’t some Russia situation where the broader population support it and buy into the existential propaganda.
There are families of 130 dead children who would disagree with you, at minimum. Israel and the US are actively targeting civilian infrastructure (for example, desalination plants).
If you think that isn't considered something they consider existential, you may want to really rethink your position. It may also help you to do some reasearch on Operation AJAX, SAVAK, and why Iran position is what it is.
I think the regime that decided eternal war with Israel and US and subsequently sanctioned is pretty existential. They don’t have to continue that course of action.
Of course you want to bring up events that happened 50-70 years ago. There were many different groups that revolted and they didn’t want to live in a fundamentalist Shiite society.
You’re bringing up Secret police? They literally just had mass casualties from authorities now. The regime is not popular.
> I think the regime that decided eternal war with Israel and US
Perhaps that has to do with the US and Israel constantly murdering and assassinating their citizens? Downing their airliners? How many scientists and energy workers has Israel murdered now on Iranian soil? Hell, the US attacked an Iranian vessel during an exhibition and military exercise with India less than a week ago.
> Of course you want to bring up events that happened 50-70 years ago.
Respectfully, those events don't magically stop mattering, and shape the current worldview of the country and its leadership. Just like centuries of slavery, red line laws, forced medical experimentation, forced sterilization, etc don't magically stop mattering in the US. They shape current events. Just because you personally may have a short memory and want to handwave away the past, most people don't. It shapes culture.
They had a democratically elected government, which was killed off by the US and UK during Operation AJAX for the crime of nationalizing oil after they had been forced into exploitive long term contracts with anglo oil companies during their years as a WWI mandate.
The puppet leader and his secret police killed off most secularists and democracy supporters, leaving the country primarily populated with religious authoritarians. That led directly to the Iranian revolution.
After the revolution, the US provided chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein during the Iraq/Iran war specifically to be used against Iranians, and helped fund his war. We essentially helped kill an entire generation of their people, and we set the stage to kill a bunch of our own when Saddam broke his leash later on.
Obama managed to work out an enforcable agreement allowing a path towards civilian use of nuclear materials which Iran was abiding by, and Trump shredded it. Then he assassinated a military leader under the guise of peace talks.
Essentially, the entire reason the regime and the country want access to nuclear arms is because they view it as the only way to actually control their own country without foreign influence, specifically because of the history of antagonism from outside actors. And now they know that they have no choice because if they back down, they will be attacked again in 3 more months. They know they can't trust us because our government has broken countless agreements, and they can't even trust peace talks because they've been used to murder officials.
> They literally just had mass casualties from authorities now.
Regarding numbers - you keep going on about how the people don't want the regime - the country has 93m people. The recent protests saw, at most, 50,000 people (that is the highest number I could find). There were lots of protests, but most were quite small. About 10k were killed. That represents .05% and .01% of the population respectively. You seem to be assuming that the entire population is against the regime when there don't really seem to be numbers bearing that out.
And whatever dissent was there likely is now taking a back seat thanks to direct attacks on civilian populations. That tends to make people go hardline very quickly because when your country is under attack, you stick with the people who are defending you. Especially when you're dealing with a Shia Muslim culture where martyrdom is a far bigger deal than it is with the Sunni populations we've been attacking.
I am not defending the regime. In fact, I would love to see the people of Iran have a democratic, secular government like the one that we stole from them. They deserve it. Their expats deserve a chance to return home. I spent quite a long time studying the country in University, know multiple families of expats, and feel better informed than most Americans to discuss it.
I am pointing out that your assumptions appear to be flawed, and seem to be built upon a belief that relatively recent events don't shape their culture. They do. And there are people who experienced them first hand who are still alive today. Frankly your view is that of a heavily propagandized outsider and you're not looking at this the way an Iranian citizen would who is experiencing this first hand, watching kids be murdered, hospitals be blown up, and desalination plants be destroyed.
They’ve been in a proxy war the ENTIRE time this regime has been in power. How do you excuse the proxy war with Saudi Arabia, which is aligned with all the gulf states. It’s so fucking annoying reading these comments selectively picking out history when you have Iran which is at war with the US, Israel and the gulf state SIMULTANEOUSLY. Literally funding proxies in different theatres to destabilise the region.
The culture doesn’t want this shiite totalitarian government. I’m not hand waiving the past. Iranians don’t want perpetual war with the US. It doesn’t benefit the average Iranian whatsoever.
The Shah did not kill more secular Iranians than the Islamic regime have. They were brutal. But saying “killing most” is a categorical lie and you don’t have a source for that. The Shah was pro secularist for one. You’re lying about the scale of killing that was done under the Shah.
How is the highest number you found 50,000 people? How long did you look? There were protests in every single province, in 210 cities. There were well over a million protesting in Tehran. Iran has been a disaster with the sanctions and people are tired of living under a regime that is more obsessed with combating Zionism over their daily lives.
There were at least 50,000 arrests. So you’re lying again because you didn’t find 50,000 at most. Some claims are saying 5 million may have protested. The reality is the Iranian regime have deliberately obfuscated that fact and clamped down violently to maintain order. And you’re handwaiving that? Who gives a fuck what percentage of the population died? 2 people get shot by ICE and it’s a national story, 10K Iranians are killed and you just fucking hand waive it like it’s nothing.
Yes I’m sure the population just forgot overnight all the deaths, injuries and trauma their own reignite inflicted on them.
Not just economics - the Supreme Leader knows more about geography. The Strait of Hormuz is one of the major chokepoints for shipping on the globe. And Iran doesn't have to physically patrol it. They just have to make it reasonably likely that any ship traversing the strait will be disabled. They can launch drones relatively close to the Strait, making interception more difficult. Cargo on a single container ship typically ranges from hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. Iran can seriously damage a ship using a $50,000 drone.
Two other geographic issues -
* As reported elsewhere, Doha and Dubai are major airline hubs between Europe and South Asia. Their location and economic development make them an ideal location for refuelling and transfers. The air war has significantly impeded air travel.
* Not only do the Persian Gulf countries export their petroleum products via the Straits, but they also import food and other commodities. None of the countries on the Arabian Peninsula is self-sufficient in food; they rely on imports. While shortages are unlikely, costs will increase in the Gulf States if their food needs to be transported by land through Saudi Arabia.
... did you miss the killing of all the school girls? did they deserve to die? because congrats you just radicalized all those parents. you cant bomb your way to peace. as literally every war has shown.
Did you miss the fact that at 13 they can be sold off and married and that there’s no crime for rape if their husbands decide to rape them daily… daily
One errant missile doesn’t absolve Iran of its shitty culture, shitty theocracy , decades of funding terror , abusive relationship towards women- shut the fuck up with that weak ass excuse…
Next time you say school girl , maybe realize what an atrocious and absolute shit their futures are and hopefully on the bureaucracy is wiped off their face of this earth They’ll have a chance at a normal life. Why do you think five of the soccer players just defected? Why do you think that Iran is not sending any of their men to the World Cup ? because the whole team will defect. You’re being obtuse if you don’t see this…
The irony is that Iran and United States do finally share something in common! Child marriage! Oh don't forget the legal rape of women, removing women's rights. Oh and concentration camps! Theocracies unite!
Well, this was just a message that a state TV reported read, so it’s not clear that those things aren’t true. He could obviously still be alive and/or not severely injured, but this doesn’t prove that.
Right. I'm saying which one is lying. Just stating that both are not possible. TBH, it's for me to believe they would appoint him in such a bad state, but....
Yeah, I mean I think the longer it goes without real evidence that he’s alive and functioning, the more that would lead me to believe he’s not. Providing some kind of proof would be a top priority for regime stability so it’s pretty suspicious that nothing has emerged. They could quite easily at least record a video in a secure location (to the extent that exists), scrub the metadata, and pass it through to state media. Remember they were also claiming his father was still alive well after he was known dead. If I had to guess, he’s probably still alive but severely injured and they don’t want the optics of trotting out a clearly hobbled “supreme” leader, although it does make me wonder about the calculus that went into appointing him in the first place if that is his condition. Its possible with so many dead, he was the only option that could get consensus support in the fog of war, or perhaps that appointing someone several layers down would provide too strong a signal on how much of leadership has been killed.
It’s still possible he lost a leg and could’ve been in a coma (they usually only last a few days), it’s fog of war. Don’t trust that anyone knows exactly what happens. Just keep trying to pay attention to what few facts of reality we know (such as a statement being read on tv and ships burning in the ocean) and base your analysis off of that
This will probably be a big boost for alternative energy. Where i live heating is all electric, and electricity is cheap amd stable. If i had an electric car I would have minimized my exposure to fossil fuel shocks. Hopefully this gets people supporting faster decarbonization.
Wow it's almost like the little princeling who now runs one of the most historically powerful empires on the planet is actually a literal terrorist that is going to destroy as much of the West as he can before he dies. Who would've seen that coming?
> Doesn’t look like the war will be over soon. Long-term pain (for many people)… but is there any gain (aside for Russia)?
I see this ending soon, Iran continues to alienate themselves by declaring that if they feel pain everyone needs to feel pain. It’s only a matter of time before the wheels of the market move entirely against them. They need trade and infrastructure to continue after this conflict, the longer the conflict goes on the more they risk losing. Not only will they not have a military, but their infrastructure is going to be gutted and all trade partners alienated.
The biggest difference is the USD is reserve currency and our economy is the largest in the world, we are an extremely valuable trading partner that cannot be ignored. We have way more leverage than Iran, it’s a silly comparison.
I know there’s a certain narrative going around trying to frame the US economy as weakening or losing dominance. These claims are extremely overblown and out of proportion to the claims they are making.
The reality is the world is deeply embedded in the status quo, and even if they wanted to liquidate and de-invest away from the USD it would take decades. The problem they face is there is no economy that can handle the injection of capital, there’s no comparable markets out there compared to the US. It would cost more facilitating the transfer of wealth then the invest would generate, compared to literally doing nothing.
Weeks? It would take like 50 years to disentangle, and even then the outcome isn’t certain what currency competes or how global trading blocks even take shape. Either way USD will always remain dominant simply because of existing investment.
This administration truly stepped in it. This was entirely an unforced error. TDS got us here (Trump Devotion Syndrome) and now we’re dealing with a more hardline version of the Ayatollah…fantastic. Now global oil trade is disrupted and the supply chain is neutered.
Gas continues to rise at the pumps in the US and worldwide
Stepped in it implies this was a careless mistake.
They jumped into it with both feet and are confused why everyone thinks they did something stupid. We're watching them try (and fail) to spin it live and waiting for the music to stop and see who gets the blame.
Maybe when gas prices rise over $5/gallon all the MAGA idiots will realize they've been duped.
Don't underestimate just how 'real' gas prices are compared to everything else.
Everything else; ICE actions, the war itself, chaotic government, the Epstein files, etc. is immaterial to the average MAGA person. Just shit on a screen that can be changed, spun, ignored, or they might even think is a good thing. Or the short attention span (COVID response, Jan 6th, etc) memory-holeing anything that happened in Trump's first term. It's functionally no different than watching the NFL; it's entertainment that doesn't have an REAL impact in good ol' Anytown, USA.
Ask yourself; if you didn't have access to the internet, exactly how much would you have noticed in the last 15 months? Unless you lived in Chicago or Minneapolis during the mass ICE raids, my guess is not that much. Maybe a business or two closed, or the odd person talking about it here or there, but nothing that couldn't he waved off as business as usual.
Gas prices are something they need to look at every day. Seeing the numbers on the signs be higher when you drive home from work than when you left. Its in-your-face impossible to ignore. You can't turn it off if it makes you uncomfortable. It can't be spun, or have a convenient talking-head to walk you through how to feel about it. They'll have to look at the number on the pump, see it go up up up up with nobody to blame except Trump.
This is a very astute and accurate comment. People online vastly overestimate how much of MAGA actually pays attention to anything online, outside of maybe Facebook, and only ever sees what Fox News wants them to see, never the truth, never reality.
That reality fucks them real hard when it shows up at the pump.
The problem is when they're told to blame it on something else. If they don't ultimately blame Trump for it, it doesn't have the impact that sane people would like it to have.
Also consider.. the hardcore maga will believe what they need to believe, but I can’t imagine this situation and rising gas prices will push people towards Trump, but I can imagine it moves people away from him
Yes but, cult. TDS, Trump Devotion Syndrome. I’ve recently started to investigate and research cults of personality. Sometimes, there’s no exit until the leader just isn’t there anymore. I think we’ll be dealing with maga for another decade, in one way or another.
The good news is, no one will be able to pick up the mantle afterwards. Just be prepared for a presidency where his supporters genuinely see him as a god. We have three more years of the direct rule, and probably ten of indirect rule by him being a “King Maker” for the GOP
This is correct. Your average MAGAt lives in a bubble you cannot even imagine. Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, a curated stream of Facebook bullshit, etc... They have zero clue what's happening in the world. But if the gas price goes way up, they notice, and a huge chunk of them are carbrained dummies so it's THE thing they notice.
This is so relevant, I’m a family doctor working in Florida and when the Medicaid and ACA cuts took effect on Jan 1st people finally started noticing they were getting fucked over when their premiums skyrocketed or they were thrown off their insurance.
This war’s costing $870M a day per Pentagon estimates, while keeping someone on Medicaid averages only about $10k annually, so you can do the math how many people we could’ve funded for their healthcare. The crazy thing is that I’m deep in Trump country and most of these people literally voted for their own downfall 🤷♂️
You’re implying that the cult followers have critical thinking skills. They’ll blame Biden or someone else somehow. “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”.
Best thing to do is shun them all forever and ever.
why wouldn't they? just because trump fell into an israeli honeypot kompromat scheme doesn't mean americans wouldn't vote for him - he admitted to sexually assaulting women on video and voters were like "seems fine."
Biden stopped running mid election, and his backup was just a slogan shouter closer to a soccer mom with no real campaign goal that at best is vice president material.
Basically the only choice was Trump shrugs at least everyone knows he will pull off stupid shit left and right.
Not going to argue with someone who is disingenuous. If you can’t see that the US is controlled by Israel, then you’re either delusional or a zionist yourself.
There are many factors. Lack of awareness is one of the biggest. Israel controls the media, and the voters never connect the dots. Anyone who tries to speak up is immediately labeled anti-Semitic and canceled. AIPAC stays out of the spotlight.
I get it that Isreal is involved and have a lot of influence. But bro, Trump and Hegseth and the republicans are human beings who make decisions of their own accord. We need to blame the people who write the checks and pull the triggers. We need to charge them for war crimes and put them in jail. We should get our own house in order before making the isreal a bogey man for all of our troubles.
I hear you, but the point is they are all compromised, no matter red or blue. Almost everyone in Washington works for Israel. Trump, Hegseth, Rubio… they believe the Israeli narrative. They listen to Israeli interests more than American interests. Israel the common denominator. And Biden was too. He oversaw the genocide in Gaza. The reason Kamala lost was because she refused to denounce the genocide. Every US administration in the last few decades has been controlled by Israel. Obama carried out the wars in Libya and Syria on behalf of Israel. Bush carried out Afghanistan and Iraq on behalf of Israel. Clinton was pressured to go to war in Iran. HW bush presided over the gulf war. Reagan the Iran-Iraq war and Lebanon. And it goes back further. So you can swap out the public facing figures, but until you address the root cause, nothing will ever change.
My man!!!! You gotta be careful with yourself. I agree that Israel’s politics are awful and they’ve committed genocide and they’ve got too much influence on us.
But being like “for the past 60 years they’re the source of all of our problems” is pretty conspiracy theoryish for me. We have all the power in this situation, we write the checks, we build and drop the bombs. We are at fault and we need to hold our leadership to account. If Israel cut ties like North Korea and we never spoke to them, our government would still suck, would still do warm crimes, etc etc etc
It is not a conspiracy theory, and I am not blaming all our problems on them either. There is nothing conspiratorial about recognizing that that group has outsized influence on US politics and the operation of this country. You need to research the history of Zionism in America and the Israel lobby. And look at who owns the all the sensitive power structures in this country. And I am going to stop there now.
Fixing our problems will be really hard. Blaming a small country in the Middle East is easy.
We have to do the hard work and make sure the right people get elected. If people believe in theories like this they’re less likely to do the hard electoral work.
I'll get roasted for this I'm sure, but I honestly hope that oil goes to $200 a barrel. The people who support the Rapist-In-Chief need to face the consequences of their actions. Yes, it will suck. Yes, we will all pay for this collectively, yes, people will die, but my asshat neighbors with lifted trucks will pay far, far more than I will and it seems like gas prices are the only thing that means anything to them.
Good, bring on $200 a barrel. It will be a disaster for the US economy but it's the only language the MAGAts speak.
The war with Iran is the first time I've seen actual despair over in /r/Conservative . Good for them. You want to elect a toddler with poor impulse control? This is what you get. Let's burn the whole house down.
> It will be a disaster for the US economy but it's the only language the MAGAts speak
what's unfortunate is that economic hardship is a cause of fascism - so while MAGA speaks the language of economic pain, it causes them to fascism even harder, even as it starves their children to death.
Yea the old Ayatollah in his old age actually was more content in building up the country than being hardline. You can totally see it if you dont listen to politicians and just read the news headlines of multiple news sources.
It’s our fault for still talking about that Epstein Creep that was the only friend he ever had. He had him killed, isn’t that enough? It’s like he killed Hitler but everyone’s still mad that he’s also Hitler
This might not be planned but it plays into Trumps hands. Allied nations didn’t want to support the war, but this could end up forcing their hands. Fubar.
lol more hardline is garbage, everything he said was predictable, what were you expecting a new leader who will say let’s forgive and forget, they will be killed by the IRGC, if you read the statement he basically says, they will stop if the US stops and in terms of reparations, they will find a different way to collect if the US doesn’t pay. Not sure what was different that the previous leader wouldn’t have said. Honestly that speech was tame
It had to be dealt with at some point. This line of appeasement is what ultimately ended up leading to WW2. Yea we should just turn a blind eye to a brutal dictator because he has oil. Listen to yourself.
I guess we should just let all criminals do what they want
When you have blind allegiance to the party like you do it’s hard to critically think. Anything Trump does equals bad. Try and do some critical thinking and think for yourself.
If 100% of your views align with a single party, you’re the joke.
I agree people who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Is that your gotcha moment? I agree with you lol.
GTFO with this moralizing. It SHOULD NOT be dealt with by an Administration that was appointed for photogenics that can't point to where Iran in on a map
>I guess we should just let all criminals do what they want
Trump can't even run a charity in NYC but rightie dumbshits put him IN OFFICE AGAIN
This all feels and is so stupid. So the orange Turnip shares American secrets with Russia, and Russia is giving those secrets with Iran. This is all so stupid in every way.
Translation: TACOs are off the menu. Trump won't just be declaring victory and walking away from this one. The IR know they have him over a barrel and they're going to make it hurt before they let him go.
Iran is going to keep this going as long as it can, at least up through the midterms. We bombed a school full of children and killed this guy's entire family. Dude is going to collapse the world economy as revenge.
What we have here is viral opinions. Some guys make things up and it spreads. I spent the days leading up to that protest crackdown watching videos coming out of Iran and my view of what happened is in line with this: https://youtu.be/jFaYFhMzCtM?t=588
I have learned it is easy to dupe the masses about what happens in other countries.
I know this might be hard for you to understand but if it was the previous leader who had his family killed, he would still be able to control his emotions when making decisions.
As a anchor I followed said: they are in martyr mode.
Don't expect them to negotiate to end the conflict just because it would be good for Iranian people to stop the current bombings.
They can't "win" a proper war against USA, we all know that, they know it better than anyone, but they can extend the conflict for a really long time and hurt the rest of the world (USA and their used-to-be-allies, like Europe) as much as possible.
They fund terror proxies in the region (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, Syrian militias, etc.) which act as a major destabilizing force in the region.
All of their neighbors hate the Ayatollah regime, which is why the Middle Eastern countries are being screamingly quiet during all of this.
Also, the regime just killed 30,000 of its own people during an uprising demanding economic opportunity, civil rights, and end to their reign of terror.
Resistance isn't terrorism. Especially when one is resisting the Epstein regime.
No, they don't, clearly. Latest reports are the Gulf nations are rethinking their partnerships with the Epstein regime due to his chaotic imperialistic aims.
Propaganda devoid of evidence. The type the Epstein always employs when they want to bully nations they cannot control in order to justify aggressions
Yes, something legitimate would be nice. Resisting colonialism isn't a justifiable reason to hate someone.
Thank you trump for being retarded and destroying the world economy twice only in one year. Destroying any faith we have in the US as a stable economy by tariffing and attacking allies and now causing chaos in the Middle East by assassinating irans cabinet without cause. I can’t wait to pay more on the pump and electricity
Just a reminder. This guy isnt going to ease off even for the state. He was known to be a hardliner. And worse news is that. His wife,children and parents all been killed off. He lives just to smoke whatever is coming.
Willingness to simply make statements in the name of a person who's basically dead gives significantly less credence to their veracity and authenticity.
Yeah, compared to the Iranian media who let's be reminded, has for a whole day stated that no only is their former leader still alive despite reports that he was killed, he was also going to speak in just a moment.
This is the Ukraine-Russia war in inverse. Russia began a "special military operation" in Ukraine, and the U.S. advised Ukraine militarily in order to sink Russia into a forever war and spiral their economy.
This time, the U.S. began a "special military operation" in Iran, and Russia is advising Iran militarily in order to sink us into a forever war and spiral our economy.
The closing of the straights ought to be expected by Mr. Trump. It has already ruined several presidencies. I just wish Penn would have informed Freds children that they had to learn their political-economic ABC's.
Trump Has Lost the Plot in Iran
>Like many of his predecessors over the past five decades, Donald Trump risks having his presidency hijacked by Iran.
The 1979 revolution and subsequent hostage crisis ended Jimmy Carter’s presidency.
The Iran-Contra affair tainted Ronald Reagan’s. Iranian machinations in postwar Iraq sabotaged George W. Bush’s.
The Iran nuclear deal—and the bitter partisan fight over it—consumed the second half of Barack Obama’s presidency.
The October 7 attacks on Israel by Hamas, a member of Iran’s “Axis of Resistance,” triggered a brutal war that subsumed Joe Biden’s. Trump may have envisioned a second term spent striking deals to resolve wars, but Iran has now sucked him in, too.
Trump, I am guessing, was probably taught by Fred to never study history...
In a battle of wills, and with Iran in control of the Strait, it is unlikely that the U.S. felon in chief will “win” this game of chicken over the transportation of oil. The orange one has overestimated his own position. I would wager a lot of money that he knows nothing about his adversary. The economic impact of this is going to be way uglier and last much longer than POTUS even imagines. He lives in a gilded fantasy land, while Americans suffer the economic consequences.
The funny thing about the U.S./Israeli attack is that it literally makes China stronger.
With the energy crisis, the argument for renewables is ever stronger and China is of course the leader in renewables by a large margin.
There will be ever growing demand for Chinese solar panels and wind turbines and of course Chinese EVs too.
It also makes China comparatively more reliable than the U.S. Its a nation that hasn’t been at war since 1979, while the U.S. endlessly exerts it power via its military.
In addition, the surge in oil and gas prices is going to hit the west much more than China, which has access to Russian oil, long term contracts at discounted prices.
Plus the SOCs in China will be absorbing most of the price increases to cushion the rest of the economy, no such cushioning in the US and Europe.
The conflicts listed here is just where America got directly involved with soldiers and military strikes, not counting the coups and other fuckery they were involved with
Strange how the MAGA-"minded" crowd doesn't understand that "fundamentalist" theocratic Iran is a baby they helped to produce along with their imperialist buddies in the UK
How is it trolling? I respect the contributions Marx has made to philosophy, and what Sankara has done for anti-imperialist movements in Africa.
It seems you would be better suited going somewhere else to discuss the issues Marx and Sankara bring up, given that much of Marx's economics (e.g Labor Theory of Value) is unable to predict economic conditions and is a poorly formed model. It's been largely debunked by economists. But as I mentioned, the contribution Marx has provided to political philosophy over the last 200 years is undeniable.
It's not economics though.
Again, I must just come to the conclusion that you're admitting that what you talk about is irrelevant from economics.
Because the United States up until this point wasn't the dominant super power of the world. Plus it puts things in context the geo-political attitude showing how the US has been the biggest aggressor in the world by magnitudes. What makes this list crazy is he didn't even link the countless coups, assaassinations, and installation of dictators by our own hands. But this clearly illustrates the ruthless history of the United States since the 1950's.
That list is full of obvious geopolitical mistakes that, aside from minor sideshows like Grenada, did not end well for the Americans......but what's with including the Korean War?
Obviously the Americans neither "attacked" nor engaged in a "covert intervention". That was 100% an attempt at conquest by the North.
The United Nations repelled that aggression, and Canada proudly fought alongside them.
Even the Afghan intervention, for all it's flaws and backstory of "giving weapons to the Mujahideen", was arguably a response to America being attacked on 9/11 (and they only ever armed the Mujahideen to help repel the Soviet invasion of that country).
All of the sudden the "don't tread on me, muuuuh luuuburteee muuuh gunsssss" cowards are quiet when Trump tells them they can't say anything bad about Israel and they are not allowed to be armed while attending public protests
It’s impressive how far propaganda bots have come since the early 2000’s. I suppose AI has helped but this is pretty good, I could see a lot of low IQ westerners falling for this.
This reply wasn’t as good as I had hoped, whatever AI typed that up for you wasn’t as succinct as the first few times. Perhaps I was overly complimentary at first. Can you redo it and add more anti western messaging? I enjoy reading these propaganda bot posts very much.
He's not the only one to say so. I'm guessing the whole world except the US terrorist regime, the Israeli genocide regime, and the Eurocracy lapdog say so.
So, their new supreme leader was notified that he got the gig from Iran's state TV news, and now the same news channel is claiming that he made this statement above. Some sources claim he's in a coma. What we do know is that he hasn't made any statements in person, nor has he shown his face since being named supreme leader. Who is actually calling the shots for Iran right now?
That's the fun part, we don't know! Could be him, could be someone else. All I know is that this war has accomplished jack shit aside from killing the old man. There is no way we are overthrowing their government without throwing tons of boots on the ground which will just be another endless war with billions of dollars and thousands of lives wasted.
At this stage the status of this particular individual just doesn't matter anymore. He becomes the symbol of resistance and the voice for IRGC to continue this war
"We must maintain our autonomy to sell oil at sub-market rates to countries who are propped up by our failed economy in order to continue our systemic oppression of the Persian people and the suppression of their free expression, particularly their women. This will enable our partnership with Russia to continue its illegal invasion of Ukraine and for our bots to farm Reddit for internet points"
[OP] PurpleReign123 | a day ago
Iran’s new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei has said all U.S. military bases in the Middle East should close immediately as those bases will be attacked, in his first public statement since being appointed.
The closure of the Strait of Hormuz maritime passage should be continued as a “tool to pressure the enemy,” he said, in televised comments translated by Reuters. Oil prices extended gains following the comments.
Looks like the Supreme Leader knows more about economics than Dear Leader. And he knows how to maximise the pain.
Doesn’t look like the war will be over soon. Long-term pain (for many people)… but is there any gain (aside for Russia)?
Deicide1031 | a day ago
Mojtaba is more aggressive than his father and less pragmatic which is a very large issue considering the characters he’s dealing with.
Most people with an understanding of Iran had hoped his father would die naturally so the clerics wouldn’t feel pressured to replace the old man with a hard liner. But two clowns doubled down and made the old man a martyr so now we got this guy.
mkultra69666 | a day ago
He’s also fighting an enemy who just days ago killed his father, wife and daughter. There’s no reason to expect him to hold any moderate positions or to end the war on Trump’s terms. Neither he nor the Iranian people have anything to gain from it.
jrex035 | a day ago
>He’s also fighting an enemy who just days ago killed his father, wife and daughter.
We killed his father, mother, sister, wife, and son in the strike that also wounded him.
Safe to say he's not gonna just let us walk away from this war on our terms.
AlertConsequence5948 | a day ago
I put that in my own personal circumstance, mum, dad, brother, wife, only son, and feck me I would want blood, and they voted for him fully appreciating he wants blood, this won't be a negotiated settlement, it will just be trump declaring he won so so so much, and it's over, and then paint Iran as the bad party for keeping it going.....
jrex035 | a day ago
The worst part is that he was a hardliner before all of this.
The reason why this is such a disaster is because Trump managed to bumble into a catastrophe that he can't TACO his way out of
janethefish | 15 hours ago
And not a "hardliner" by Western standards. He's such a hardliner his father didn't want him in charge. Then we killed his family.
AlertConsequence5948 | a day ago
I respect your view but genuinely think he will TACO, a leopard doesn't change its spots, and the world has to start ratcheting up pressure on him e.g. Europe, Japan, South Korea, China etc.
jrex035 | a day ago
As I keep trying to explain to others, you can't TACO a major war.
Last year Iran let the US and Israel declare victory and leave after the 12 day war, which was a limited war targeting their nuclear sites and air defenses. What did it get them? This war less than a year later. The US and Israel have also devastated the Iranian air force, air defenses, and navy and started attacking the Iranian defense industry. If Iran let's the US/Israel declare victory, nothing at all stops them from finishing the job next year.
No, Iran needs to inflict immense economic pain on the US and the Gulf States to serve as a deterrent for a future conflict. Another 2 week war with minimal lasting consequences won't deter anything. So Iran is determined to keep the war going until it inflicts enough pain that the US and Israel are dissuaded from ever attacking Iran again. They're achieving this through a blockade of the Strait. They're not going to let up unless they're forced to, or until the damage is bad enough in their minds that no one will try it again.
And keep in mind that this war began, as we discussed, with the death of most of the current Ayatollah's family. He's not going to capitulate anytime soon, on the US/Israeli terms, just because that's what Trump wants.
In a war, both sides get a vote in when the conflict ends. Trump literally can't end this war unilaterally.
Ace861110 | a day ago
I mean he can just pack up and leave. But Iran will still keep the straight closed and shoot at Israel.
sylbug | a day ago
They can also destroy American assets in the region and try to convince the hosts of those assets that it is in their interest to expel the Americans.
It’s a potentially effective strategy to rewrite thd power balance in the region. Why would these countries continue hosting American bases, refuel their ships, and so on if America can’t protect them in a war that American started? How long will they tolerate their infrastructure being destroyed and economy being trashed?
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
And whatever might still be left of our Gulf Arab military bases.
defaultedebt | a day ago
In that case, if the US had left and the strait remained closed, I'd imagine most western nations consider it casus belli to forcefully keep the strait open.
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
The US and Israel have already destroyed anything that was readily bombable. Iran's remaining military and military industrial complex is located deep inside their mountains. They'll aim to make sure a missile hits our ass on the way out.
BenjaminHamnett | 18 hours ago
I think it was my favorite kook, prof xueqin jiang who pointed out these bases weren’t for combat, they were to enforce rule by US favored autocrats. This will cause widespread instability and loss of US influence. Basically surrendering US control of the Middle East to China, Russia and others.
Idgaf, but everything he did makes the US worse off. And now we’re going to see widespread nuclear proliferation and inevitable nuclear exchange in the next 10 years.
Useful_Argument_6490 | a day ago
I personally know a couple of people whose families were the victims of bombings and who took up arms and vowed to fight to the end. I asked them why they did it - it was a very pragmatic “you just do”. It’s beyond religion or ideology. It’s them loving their family to literal death.
They accept that they might be the loser at the end of the day, but they also accept that as a likely and viable outcome.
We are super screwed. You can’t kill peoples family members and expect to get away with it.
dust4ngel | a day ago
> You can’t kill peoples family members and expect to get away with it
"you have to take out their families" - trump, 2015
Cute_Obligation2944 | 15 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud
jrex035 | a day ago
That's one of the biggest ironies of the war, it will make the regime more popular and stable than ever. Nothing rallies people more than foreign invasion.
It especially doesn't help when Israel has flat out said they'd be happy with a situation akin to the Syrian civil war where the country splinters into dozens of factions, sectarian violence is widespread, and hundreds of thousands of people die and millions become refugees.
mkultra69666 | a day ago
Yup. Similar to how the genocide in Gaza has produced, at minimum, 60,000 orphans- likely far more. Do you guys want Hamas? Because that’s how you get Hamas. The entire region will be waging a bitter blood feud against the west for generations to come.
Electronic_Film_2837 | a day ago
Israel already had the 10/7 attack before that so they will not see it as a difference. They’ll just keep blasting hamas
8TrackPornSounds | a day ago
The 10/7 attack that Egypt warned them about and took no measures to prevent
Kokkor_hekkus | a day ago
Well their troops were all away from the border busy protecting murderous settlers
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
There were border guards. It's just they had watched 8 months of the war between Ukraine and Russia and not learned that maybe you should occasionally look up.
Israel really needed to take that one on the chin and move along. No one's security is existentially threatened by their own staggering incompetence.
-Jake-27- | 9 hours ago
Warned them from 3-10 days before hand*
sylbug | a day ago
They’ll just keep murdering innocent children and blame it on Hamas hiding in the walls.
no_spoon | a day ago
Well it was a good run America. Up until Trump.
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
The long disaster began with the Nixon impeachment. The inmates have ran the asylum ever since.
Spydartalkstocat | a day ago
Would we or anyone else? I don't think so.
Pedo in chief fucked around and found out with absolutely no plan. Now we all pay the price.
JohnDorian0506 | a day ago
What is he going to do? Die?
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
Yeah. We haven't seen any live video since then. And it's kind of odd that bombs could destroy everything in a half kilometer radius and only injure him...
fhwoompableCooper | 17 hours ago
Realistically why can't we just blow him up again
Describing_Donkeys | a day ago
Also attacked Iran twice in the party year in the middle of negotiations. Like most of us have learned, there is no value to capitulation with Trump.
Cybertronian10 | a day ago
The one saving grace we have is that he has made comments about keeping his aggression pointed to the US military and not the US citizens. The worst case scenario right now is Iran landing a major terrorist strike on US soil and risk giving Trump a boost in popularity as people rally to the flag in panic.
SatanicPanic619 | a day ago
I don't see Trump getting a boost from a terror attack. Most would blame him.
sylbug | a day ago
Can you please explain why Iran hitting legitimate targets on American soil is ‘terrorism’ while Americans blowing up schools and making it rain oil is Tehran is warfare?
Also, note that your ‘worst case scenario’ is what America does to other countries for funsies. Including, most recently, Iran.
Cybertronian10 | a day ago
I just love how on the internet people will invent entire arguments you never said just so that they can get mad at them.
> Can you please explain why Iran hitting legitimate targets on American soil is ‘terrorism’
Are you saying that a country's civillians should be considered legitimate targets? So by your logic what the US is doing is totally moral and cool so long as Iran gets to do the same? Me personally, I am on the side of not bombing children regardless of their country of origin.
I am against this invasion, I wouldn't disagree with calling the strike on the school terrorism, and honestly if they did manage to get revenge for the death of their leader by taking ours I would probably mail them a fucking gift basket.
Professional_Tap5283 | a day ago
I think from a philosophical point of view, it's hard to define what a civilian even is in modern warfare.
Most if not all of us contribute to the war effort in some way. Like obviously the uniformed members of the military are legitimate targets, but what about the hundreds of thousands of civilians thar work for the DoD? Everything from engineering consultants to the guys who maintain the chow halls.
And then there's the hundreds of thousands of people who work for companies that directly or indirectly support the DoD, even in ways you wouldn't normally associate with war. Like what about the software devs that work for Microsoft? Every PC in the military is a Windows machine. What about Open AI employees? Google employees? SpaceX Employees? What about the people who run and maintain chat apps that GIs use to stay in contact with their families while overseas?
As an extreme example, what about the bar just outside of a military base that primarily serves GIs, raising their morale?
Shit gets real messy if you think about it.
kind_bros_hate_nazis | 22 hours ago
What the fuck
AxlLight | 19 hours ago
Just to note, that's what they said before about their attacks in the gulf countries and their attacks towards Israel - that they're only targeting military targets.
So far in Israel only civilians have been hit and killed, and in the gulf countries it's been mostly civilians who got injured or died. So, I wouldn't take them at their word (obviously their excuse is that their ornaments are just not accurate enough).
Anderopolis | a day ago
US citizens might actually do something against their government , though I doubt it.
Puzzle-Necked | a day ago
They'll rise up and complain, maybe post a meme
pliney_ | a day ago
The Iranian people have a lot to gain from this conflict ending. But no one on either side gives a shit about the civilians who are suffering the most dire consequences.
Express_Spirit_3350 | a day ago
And what, a new round every 8 months or so? Kill top generals, leadership, scientists, every once in a while, like a little culling?
Just what exactly are the US and Israel NOT willing to do?
RadiantRole266 | a day ago
Exactly. Israel even has a name for this: “mowing the grass.”
Unique-Egg-461 | a day ago
the "mowing the grass" as Bibi would say
disgusting
-Jake-27- | 9 hours ago
It’s almost like the Iranian regime hasn’t meaningfully changed its stance towards the west and Israel, or the rest of the gulf for that matter.
Express_Spirit_3350 | 9 hours ago
Has the West or Israel changed their stance towards Iran? Did the Gulf countries? You're saying the war should just continue then? Looks to be that way.
-Jake-27- | 9 hours ago
Obama literally signed the JPCOA which was a massive fig leaf, Iran didn’t soften its rhetoric or its support of proxies in war against Israel or its support of Syria.
The war has been going on since their regime came into power. It’s why proxies are so effective. They add plausible deniability when they’re enacting your agenda.
Why would Israel change its stance? Iran post revolution explicitly calls for the end of Israel and support proxies in every direction to de legitimise Israel as it has done in Yemen with Saudi Arabia.
Express_Spirit_3350 | 7 hours ago
You can act like the Empire's word is law and is the only one allowed to fight in a war. The hostility began when the US overthrew Iran's government. Why would they be friendly? What international law is that one?
Israel has voted for the cleansing of Palestine in the Knesset. Those resisting them arent the terrorist here, neither are those supporting them.
Most of the time, the US just rolls over the others. Sometimes someone is able to fight back.
So clearly you want war, you'll be satisfied when Trump chooses their leader I guess, thats why you support his war to do it. You must be happy, you got it.
-Jake-27- | 6 hours ago
Right and how does opposing US and Israel along with the rest of the gulf in a proxy war better their people’s interests?
It just doesn’t. People don’t want to live under sanctions. Yes the US overthrew Iran, that doesn’t mean this current government has popular support or legitimacy. It’s not a defence for the foreign policy it has chosen.
What law in the Knesset are you referring to? How exactly has Hamas helped the Palestinians?
I don’t want war. In fact this Iranian regime remaining in power means perpetual war through Iranian proxies against Israel and Saudi Arabia. I’m not happy about what’s happening but this is the culmination of decades of Iranian foreign policy.
This war is wrong because it doesn’t have a clear goal, is a massive act of aggression on behalf of the US administration. Everyone on reddit has a problem with Israel but it makes a lot of sense to want a regime gone that is fighting you in multiple theatres.
shadowboxer47 | a day ago
>The Iranian people have a lot to gain from this conflict ending
Israel and the US have broken literally every single agreement they've made with Iran.
Why would Iran agree to anything at this point? They'll just be bombed again in 6 months.
Would you want peace if you saw a school full of children bombed?
pliney_ | a day ago
I'm talking about the people dying in this conflict like the girls bombed in that school...
My comment was more hypothetical than anything. The civilians in Iran will just continue to suffer and die the longer this goes on and its in their interest for it to end. But the odds of a lasting peace coming any time soon are remote and as you say the odds of the US/Israel actually maintaining that peace longer term may be even lower.
mkultra69666 | a day ago
There’s nothing to be gained from signing a peace treaty with a partner who has clearly demonstrated, on multiple occasions, that they will simply break the terms of the agreement and resume bombing at will, whenever the mood strikes. Should the US offer to meet and discuss terms, they’re more likely to bomb the building and blow up everyone in it than they are to abide by the terms of any agreement they sign. There’s simply no reason for current leadership to engage in good faith and every reason for them to just leave Trump on read.
CosmopolitanIdiot | a day ago
We can't even adhere to our own trade treaties. Believing we would honor a peace treaty would be wishful thinking at best.
fec2245 | 20 hours ago
People are deluded by their hate of Trump. These are theocratic nutjobs, the Iranian people would be better off by every measure if they moderated. The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend in this case. This war was stupid but it's not as if there was a peace treaty after the June strike, everyone knew it was unstable.
Renegade_Hat | a day ago
They also have a lot to lose.
The United States and Israel have been pretty clear in our intent to create a failed state. If you need further proof, look at any of the statements about wiping out all Iranians or installing another religious despot who’s loyal to our dictator.
If I was an Iranian, I would feel betrayed and outraged. Betrayed as the United States ensured my country would have to rally behind the flag of an old dying theocrat while they bomb the areas most likely to hold pro democratic sentiments, and outraged because my family and home is being annihilated by teens sent over to distract from the Epstein class raping and trafficking children.
TL;DR - USA / Israel are committing war crimes gleefully, all the while the global economy unravels. Hopefully this is when it all comes tumbling down, because the alternative is an imperium where even your soul is up for sale (if anybody thinks neuralink is for your benefit you’re a fucking idiot, regardless of the technological capability the intent is apparent. And these are the technate who rule us)
fec2245 | 20 hours ago
>Hopefully this is when it all comes tumbling down,
Hopefully Iranian war crimes lead to global economic collapse? Wtf are you talking about? That would be so much worse than the status quo for billions of people. This war is stupid but wtf is this? I don't want millions to starve to stick it to Trump.
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
The Iranian people gain from Iran winning and America losing. An armistice means they lose and we win. If for no other reason than we'll rearm and attack again X months from now.
BenevolentCheese | a day ago
> Neither he nor the Iranian people have anything to gain from it.
The Iranian people have a lot to gain from it, he just doesn't care about the Iranian people, just control and destruction.
LawrenceSpivey | a day ago
You misspelled Netanyahu.
AxlLight | a day ago
> Neither he nor the Iranian people have anything to gain from it.
He has a lot to gain. When you deal with a country that is 100x stronger than you militarily and can wipe you out and decimate your already fractured economy, it would stand to reason that yielding would be a far more logical path. The hard line approach has not worked for his father and will not work for him, and it definitely does not benefit his people. In fact I can't think of any country that did well going on a hard line approach against a stronger opponent
mkultra69666 | 23 hours ago
Diplomacy hasn’t worked. The United States and Israel break ceasefire agreements at will. Iran was actively negotiating when the first bombs dropped. They had a nuclear agreement which they were abiding by until Trump tore it up. They signed the NPT. And still the bombs fall.
An example of a country that did well with the hardline approach is North Korea, who wisely chose nuclear deterrence over negotiation. You’ll note they are not be bombed by Israel or the US and most of their elementary schools remain intact.
A better example is Israel, who have refused to sign any nuclear agreements, developed their own weapons program in secret, and have taken a hardline approach with every one of its regional rivals. Tel Aviv is standing, Tehran is burning. Iran tried diplomacy. It didn’t work.
AxlLight | 22 hours ago
Israel was the stronger country though - it won war after war against much bigger armies that aimed to destroy them. It then cultivated smart peace agreement with neighbors, maintained strong connections with the west and the US and focused on improving the lives of their citizens. That's the reason Tel Aviv isn't burning, because they have amazing air defenses and shelter spaces for civilians and a very strong air force that manages to take down the opposing army's forces.
It's not as if having a nuke has made Iran stand down and avoid attacking Israel, it was just using a more strategic and less direct approach with what was known as the "axis of resistance" that Iran constructed around Israel. Khamenei (sr)'s strategy was to build military strength in proxy armies that would serve as tentacle arms that would keep Israel deterred by threat of annihilation from all sides. Hezbollah being the most serious force among them. And it was a strategy that worked for decades, until Hamas attacked and miscalculated, it likely caught the other arms by surprise which allowed Israel to deal with each threat, clean the board and then go after Iran unimpeded.
As for the current conflict, idk if it was warranted or not, what Iran's real plans were and how earnest they were in negotiations. Let's even assume they were, it could just very well had been a bridge too far. It's not as if Khamenei (sr) wasn't still arming Iran for a future conflict instead of focusing on internal issues - economical, the draught, the internal unrest. Iran kept funneling money into the same strategy, it sent Hezbollah hundreds of millions to rebuild (https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iranian-funds-for-hezbollah-are-flowing-through-dubai-85785a77) and we're seeing the result of that in the new wave of attacks from Hezbollah.
You can't just say the right words, you gotta follow it with actions and it doesn't seem like Iran was doing any of that in the past 8 months since the first conflict.
Not saying Israel and the US's strategy here is a good one, fanatic leaders rarely listen to logic or care about their people dying if it means getting even. I mean, both Khamenei (sr) was quite willing to murder his own citizens to show force. So I doubt the son (who very much approved of thet action) would surrender - I just refuse to accept it as a "logical" and "just" course of action, as if it benefits anyone but himself.
Prometheus1717 | 23 hours ago
He does not represent the majority of the Iranian people whom his father and cronies have massacred years after year. He has never been a moderate. And he represents a faction that does not believe in freedom of speech or any other rights that Westerners and the Iranian masses hold sacres for living in total freedom. You might hate Trump and have the right to criticize him but do not mislead by making a asinine excuse on why this real estate mogul ayatollah cannot hold a moderate view. It has nothing to do with his family getting killed.
Nirvana1973 | 22 hours ago
How about the family of 36000 people who were slaughtered with order of he and his father?!
dravik | a day ago
There is a significant amount that the Iranian people could gain.
Keep in mind that all the damage caused by Iranian attacks is broadcast instantly around the world and amplified by Iranian propaganda efforts.
The daily beating that the Iranian government is receiving is hidden from view.
Special-Remove-3294 | a day ago
They really do not.
USA has attacked Iran for the second time within 1 year in the middle of negociations. There is no reason to think they would not just attack again if they peaced out now. The only way Iran can be safe from attacks is if it manages to force the USA leave the Gulf of Persia
pgtl_10 | a day ago
No it's not. Most of it is censored. Israel is arguably the most censored state.
-Jake-27- | 9 hours ago
No it’s not arguably. They’ve ramped up censorship since the start of the war in Gaza but it’s nowhere near the same as Iran as listed by reporters without borders in which Iran is one of the lowest in the world.
pgtl_10 | 7 hours ago
Reporters without boarders doesn't report on this. The Israelis are censoring everything and even US reporters admit as much.
A BBC reporter pointed it out recently.
-Jake-27- | 6 hours ago
So how are they falling in their ratings in recent years? I would say it’s pretty easy to see censorship is up. Yet we still get so much information coming out of Gaza.
If the implication is that Israel is getting struck significantly harder yet it’s somehow covering it up, it’s unsubstantiated. And flies in the face of the fact that Iran is getting bombed by two nations and so much of their leadership is gone.
pgtl_10 | 5 hours ago
No one says Israel is getting struck harder. We aren't seeing much damage in Israel cause it is censored. We get very little from Gaza because media is not allowed in and Israel killed a bunch of journalists.
This is you typical Westerners always telling the truth nonsense that you are peddling.
-Jake-27- | 5 hours ago
There’s like 15 dead people in Israel from strikes.
There’s nearly 2000 in Iran. We aren’t seeing much damage because the vast majority have been intercepted, the issue for them is that Israel is going to run out of interceptor missiles.
The damage is orders of magnitude higher on one side. Israel has backing from US and can avoid that same destruction at first. Yes there is censorship of certain missile strike areas but in a nation with internet access to western sites it would leak incredibly fast.
thehourglasses | a day ago
Uh, what? The exact opposite is happening. Iranian attacks are almost always scrubbed or downplayed while attacks on Iran are widely circulated by the corporate media apparatus.
You a bot, bro?
dravik | a day ago
Each successful Iranian strike is all over Reddit and gets significant air time on the news. Three might be one every day or two, but every one gets attention and discussion.
The US and Israel are conducting hundreds of strikes in Iran every day.
Gamer_Grease | a day ago
There is no reliable information in war.
Brilliant_Crow6391 | a day ago
He's injured and doubtful hes even awake right now.
There is a reason they didnt televise his speech but let a news anchor read his statement out loud
Bluestreaked | a day ago
Literally creating their own worst possible outcome
Kill the moderate hardliner holding the IRGC back and replace him with an IRGC puppet who will make sure Israel and the United States pays for their foolishness
urbudda | a day ago
And one who lost alot of his family in the last few days.. I'd wanna blow up the world if I lost my wife and children and sane..imagine someone with no restraints and the means to do it
jayfeather31 | a day ago
Yeah, the potential psychological damage that would come from that really shouldn't be overlooked. It's also one of the problems that also occurs when fighting insurgencies too.
People generally don't take losing their family and friends well.
absat41 | a day ago
"WE HAVE ALL LOST FAMILY TO THE US AGGRESSOR!!"
god , that is going to be such a powerful rallying cry.
jayfeather31 | a day ago
Absolutely. Nothing unites like a common enemy.
Petrichordates | a day ago
Potential damage?
YoohooCthulhu | a day ago
Now Israel is going to focus super hard on taking things out because they fucked up, which will only escalate things further
No_Tree_8144 | a day ago
I mean I get this but I feel like people on reddit are making it sound like the sympathize with this guy. him and his family screwed up the lives of millions of Iranians. and a lot of people outside of Iran. he isnt some saint and I can guarantee you he and his family always knew they had a target on their backs
Petrichordates | a day ago
Bombing the girls' school is a 9/11 style event. If anytjing we just created a rally around the flag effect.
Civil war is dead as long as they can point to US and Israel as existential enemies.
-Jake-27- | 9 hours ago
As opposed to the clamp down on protests that possibly killed up to 10,000 people?
If anything by what the newer ayatollah has said he will be probably even more unpopular. Protesters will be playing it safe as a clamp down leads to a chilling effect.
Petrichordates | 4 hours ago
Any protesters will now successfully be categorized as US supporters and traitors to Iran, the revolution is dead.
Turning the ayatollah into a Martyr instead of weakening him and letting him die naturally was easily the worst thing they could've done for this.
-Jake-27- | 4 hours ago
They literally already done this. They shut down the internet because they claimed it was Mossad organising in the country.
None of this matters because they’ve shown the lengths they’ll take to maintain control of the regime ultimately.
urbudda | a day ago
Nothing I said sympathises with the guy..I'm stating he has nothing to lose and the means to go for it. It isn't like Saddam sitting comfortably and living it up large. I actually don't even know how you came to that conclusion
nockeenockee | a day ago
Do you sympathize with the people who lied about the need for this war and bombed a school in the process? I sure as hell don’t.
urbudda | a day ago
Of course I don't I sympathise with the people who are stuck in the middle of this because the American president rapes kids and the Israeli president is hell bent on bringing on a doomsday scenario
squish042 | a day ago
The US basically created Bin Laden and look how that turned out. Republican foreign policy has screwed us for generations!
Hankerpants | a day ago
Are you tired of winning yet? I'm tired of winning...
nolafrog | a day ago
Israel will never pay for anything. We are their sugar daddy
RemarkablePrompt7822 | 16 hours ago
> moderate hardliner
That's an oxymoron. Iran's setup would never allow a genuine moderate leader to lead the country.
Bluestreaked | 10 hours ago
“Hardliner” is a faction in Iranian politics. The hardliners and the reformists. Khameini was a part of the hardliners but was a more moderate one
RemarkablePrompt7822 | 9 hours ago
Are the reformists working towards a democratic secular republic?
Bluestreaked | 9 hours ago
Broadly speaking that’s the idea behind reformists
I’m assuming, since you’re asking, you don’t follow Iranian politics that much. I know a bit, but I just know experts, I don’t consider myself an expert.
The current president of Iran is from the Reformist faction. It was actually a huge deal at the time, Ebrahim Raisi was the president, a “principalist” (hardliner), and the protege of Khameini (and suspected by many to be the next in line after Khameini’s death), and none of this mattered because Raisi died in a helicopter crash.
Pezeshkian wins the ensuing special election with a mandate to negotiate with the United States to try and bring back Obama’s nuclear deal, versus the hardliner who wanted to focus on autarky and development independent from the global economic system.
In my experience a lot of people think that Iran is something like the Taliban when in reality they’re more similar to a place like Turkey. It’s not the best comparison, Iran is very much its own thing, but it at least gives you the idea.
And I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “democratic secular republic.” Iranians are in fact able to vote in elections and have for a long time, there were claims of fraudulent elections in the 00’s but not for awhile. They elect both the legislative body, the president, and even the Assembly of Experts. Now, they don’t get to choose who gets to be on the ballot, but that’s unfortunately rather common (even in the United States in a certain way but that’s a digression). They don’t elect the Supreme Leader, they’re chosen by the Assembly of Experts.
Regardless Iran isn’t really controlled by the mullahs, they’re powerful but the actually powerful controller of Iran is the IRGC
Logical-Joke-6249 | a day ago
You really think the USA and their allies are going to tolerate this especially with the current admin? They’re going to hunt this terrorist down and make an example out of him just like they did Maduro. Iran just mad their move. It’s the USA’s turn next. We’ll see how they respond.
pliney_ | a day ago
What do you mean “tolerate”. This is a war, if the US had an easy way to open up the straight and ensure safety of vessels passing through they would. Even if they hunt this guy down that doesn’t change anything. Iran has a strangle hold on Hormuz, they’ve been preparing for this situation for decades. The only military path to resolving this is a months if not years long conflict to root out all the arms from the mountains surrounding the straight.
Logical-Joke-6249 | a day ago
You guys act likes it’s the USA vs Iran when it’s the world vs Iran. Iran is restricting global trade not just trade conducted by the USA. The USA started this conflict because Iran can’t be allowed to grow their nuclear program and they would not negotiate. Their response was global terrorism.
Global terrorism will not be tolerated. This will end badly for them and the entire world is against them. They have no allies other China who is staying out of the conflict, Russia who will only give them intel, and North Korea is useless.
It’s the entire world vs Iran. Bring it on 💪🇺🇸
Petrichordates | a day ago
Nationalism is clouding your ability to see or think.
Logical-Joke-6249 | a day ago
I don’t agree but clearly TDS is clouding yours.
ClownholeContingency | a day ago
But I was told by the pedophile rapist president that we decimated Iran's nuclear capabilities months ago. If Iran's nuclear capabilities were destroyed, why was any of this even necessary? Sounds like we were once again lied into a bullshit "wAr On tErRor" by warmongering Republicans.
Sea_Public_6691 | a day ago
Youre spreading Fake news, the iran nuclear programm is completly destroyed, there is no chance they are able to build a nuclear weapon in the next decades
pliney_ | a day ago
Ya, the whole world seems really eager to join the conflict and put boots on the ground in Iran. Sure Iran is a problem for a lot of countries but the US and Israel have run head first into this war without much of a plan. They have no clear obtainable objectives. They have no plan for dealing with the closure of the strait of Hormuz. How are we going to accomplish regime change through bombing? What do you think the global economy is going to look like when the Strait of Hormuz is still closed 3, 6 months or a year from now? There's no military path to opening it short near term. They were in the middle of negotiations when the US abruptly called them off to start this quagmire.
We've learned this lesson already. Look at how things went in afghanistan and Iraq. Significantly smaller countries with far less leverage or military strength. After 20 years in afghanistan we accomplished very little and the Taliban are in control of the country again. At the cost of thousands of lives and a trillion dollars, the same terrorist organization is running the country. We're creating yet another generation of people who hate America because we've murdered their sisters, daughters, sons, brothers, fathers, mothers.
Admirable_Scene_5066 | a day ago
> You guys act likes it’s the USA vs Iran when it’s the world vs Iran. Iran is restricting global trade not just trade conducted by the USA. The USA started this conflict because Iran can’t be allowed to grow their nuclear program and they would not negotiate. Their response was global terrorism. > > > > Global terrorism will not be tolerated. This will end badly for them and the entire world is against them. They have no allies other China who is staying out of the conflict, Russia who will only give them intel, and North Korea is useless. > > > > It’s the entire world vs Iran. Bring it on 💪🇺🇸
Where the fuck do you get your 'info'?
Iran had a nuclear deal before Trump, Americans tore it up. Iran was negotiating last year for a new deal. Americans started bombing. Iran was negotiating last month again. Americans started bombing again.
The world is not on Iran's regime side, but it certainly isn't on America's either. This is Ayatollah vs pedo, and the world hopes this ends before the moron fucks up even more.
Logical-Joke-6249 | a day ago
It was a shit deal which is why it was torn up
They were not negotiating they were stalling it was obvious
Your pedo comments about trump are a joke and everyone laughs at you when you say that outside of the Reddit echo chamber
Good day sir
Admirable_Scene_5066 | 23 hours ago
Happy day in lala-land too.
localistand | a day ago
The USA in particular has a lousy memory of what it does and what repercussions arise from them. Iran simply has to wait out the attention span of the leader, Donald Trump, who has not exhibited an attention span on an issue longer than 2 weeks without getting distracted by things like plane things, Memphis Tennessee, or ballrooms.
SikatSikat | a day ago
If it was as easy as it was with Maduro, we'd have done it already. Maduro was an overnight operation, this is a War already at the 2 week mark.
The Iran strategy is to drain resolve from someone with little to start with. Trump is a President by whim. He's already blaming Rubio, Jaren and Hegseth for making him think Iran was about to start the War with us.
Trump is saying we've nearly done everything we wanted, despite outlining the current situation as basically the worst case scenario, because he is insecure and cannot handle the slightest of pressure.
Will the current leader of Iran probably eventually die by U.S. or Israeli hands/missles? Sure. But if we have to put boots on the ground or continue failing much longer, or when he dies the next is another hardliner, GOP's political position goes from horrid to worse.
Iran doesn't have to outlast the U.S.A. They only have to outlast Trump's political resolve.
Excellent_Jeweler_43 | a day ago
Who are the US allies that you are speaking of? I am not sure there are any bar Israel
Logical-Joke-6249 | a day ago
The entire gulf area other than Iran??? Do you just read news from subreddits? Lmao
PapaverOneirium | a day ago
Oh yes, the oh so terrifyingly effective fighting forces of the UAE and Saudi Arabia will totally turn the tides here. As soon as they enter the fray. Sometime now…
EremiticFerret | a day ago
The like the one that decided to shoot down three of our F15s?
BillWilberforce | a day ago
What allies does the US have? Trump got rid of them all with his Truth Social posts, his tariffs and endless flip flopping and time wasting.
Prestigious_Load1699 | a day ago
>Kill the moderate hardliner holding the IRGC back and replace him with an IRGC puppet who will make sure Israel and the United States pays for their foolishness
Iran's military capabilities have been decimated and many of their terror proxies (namely Hezbollah & Hamas) have been thoroughly dismantled.
Iran isn't an anime villain that can just keep coming back over and over after getting beat down. It is at its weakest point ever at this exact moment, and any recovery from this will take years upon years and a massive investment of money it doesn't have.
This stranglehold they currently have at the Strait of Hormuz is the their last line of defense. If the US and Israel can figure out how to get traffic flowing again, Frieza is toast.
Bluestreaked | a day ago
Hezbollah literally launched 100 missiles at Israel last night and is crushing them in battle
Like I said, if you’re really arguing that closing the Straits of Hormuz is their trump card then you need to be careful, you are overdosing on copium.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 23 hours ago
Israel eliminated the entire Hezbollah leadership with pagers back in late 2024.
The PM of Lebanon just banned the entire organization. They are rapidly losing any support they once held among the Lebanese people.
They are on their last legs - your claim that they are "crushing" Israel is an absolute laugh. You have a promising career in standup ahead of you.
Postmeat2 | 22 hours ago
>Israel eliminated the entire Hezbollah leadership with pagers back in late 2024.
And they eliminated the Ayatollah a few days ago, now they have a new one. That's not the zinger you think it is.
Dunno about the combat situation, but I do note that Israel isn't really boasting much.
Bluestreaked | 21 hours ago
A buddy of mine lives in northern Israel, he hasn’t been having a good time.
He despises the Israeli state and I won’t be surprised if he leaves the country with this as the last straw. He’s not fully anti-Zionist like I am but he’s definitely non-Zionist so it’s always been on his mind but he’s very much- “I don’t want to get killed by Hezbollah just so my government can commit a genocide.”
Bluestreaked | 22 hours ago
You’re hilarious
Hezbollah will continue to make the Israelis leave Lebanon horizontally
baronmunchausen2000 | a day ago
What exactly is a hardliner? If we go by conventional definitions, at en’t Trump, Hegseth, Rubio hardliners too?
mastergenera1 | a day ago
Trump TACOs out too often to be a hardliner, maybe kegsbreath?
squish042 | a day ago
Trump is a wannabe hard liner but is too big of a pussy.
mastergenera1 | a day ago
Well thats what I mean, trump has no actual balls when people repeatedly tell him no. If trump really was a pro American hardliner, he wouldn't be putins puppet and he wouldn't taco out of anything that makes him look bad to his base. A hardliner would be like, fuck the polls, imma get results and put my money where my mouth is.
axana1 | a day ago
Idk but I sure have been hearing that term a lot lately
InternetImportant911 | a day ago
Surprised 87 year old is less aggressive than his 57 year old son who lost his family.
We did not even give him a competition by bombing all potential suitors, we got the most hardliner elected. Nothing short of a surprise from this Administration. Some how MAGA will see this win.
Interesting-Gur1755 | a day ago
Feels by design, like money going into the right pockets. Remember this is the president who said he's gonna make money with being president, and so far he's made a ton. Offshore.
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
Can you imagine the decision making process?
"This guy is 86, frail and cancer ridden. We are looking at very narrow window to off him before father time does the job for us."
People went through that and decided I guess we'd better get to bombing. Are they actually reptillians in human skin suits? Did they escape from an asylum?
shadowfax12221 | 4 hours ago
Smart money says he doesn't survive the war or is assassinated shortly after. The Israeli's probably couldn't come up with a worse pick for their interests to replace his father and haven't shown much restraint in killing iranian leaders to this point. My expectation is that Israel will kill him if they get the chance on the off chance that the next guy is someone they can work with.
steroboros | a day ago
They aren't looking for reasonable, they are creating a justification for their aggression and to fit the narrative they've been trying to create for decades
getwhirleddotcom | a day ago
Not to mention the orange clown killed this guys family.
dogs_gt_cats | 23 hours ago
> Most people with an understanding of Iran had hoped his father would die naturally so the clerics wouldn’t feel pressured to replace the old man with a hard liner.
There's also the very important note that unlike most of the middle east, Iran is not Sunni, it is Shia. And Shia Islam feels extremely strongly towards martyrdom. It's a key concept of the faith system, dating back to its creation when they split from Sunni Islam with the death of Imam Husayn at the battle of Karbala.
And killing the leader outright as well as a school full of kids just turned them all into martyrs. As you said, the Clerics here won't be able to just drop it or choose a pragmatist. The people are enraged and they chose someone who will echo that.
Further, Iran was just attacked less than a year ago. To them, this is existential - if they stop, they will just get attacked again. They've spent decades under sanctions so depression/recession isn't going to hurt them nearly as badly as they will the US.
Edit: They also know that their country is a massive geological fortress that is nearly impossible to truly invade (look at a topo map and you'll see what I mean).
-Jake-27- | 9 hours ago
The regime knows it’s a geological fortress. That’s how they’ve managed to get away with deciding to have perpetual war with US and Israel despite the rest of the region trying to stabilise and normalise relations.
Majority of Iranians know it’s not existential. They don’t want to live under this regime, they don’t want sanctions over some insane ideological war. This isn’t some Russia situation where the broader population support it and buy into the existential propaganda.
dogs_gt_cats | 6 hours ago
> Majority of Iranians know it’s not existential.
There are families of 130 dead children who would disagree with you, at minimum. Israel and the US are actively targeting civilian infrastructure (for example, desalination plants).
If you think that isn't considered something they consider existential, you may want to really rethink your position. It may also help you to do some reasearch on Operation AJAX, SAVAK, and why Iran position is what it is.
-Jake-27- | 5 hours ago
I think the regime that decided eternal war with Israel and US and subsequently sanctioned is pretty existential. They don’t have to continue that course of action.
Of course you want to bring up events that happened 50-70 years ago. There were many different groups that revolted and they didn’t want to live in a fundamentalist Shiite society.
You’re bringing up Secret police? They literally just had mass casualties from authorities now. The regime is not popular.
dogs_gt_cats | 4 hours ago
> I think the regime that decided eternal war with Israel and US
Perhaps that has to do with the US and Israel constantly murdering and assassinating their citizens? Downing their airliners? How many scientists and energy workers has Israel murdered now on Iranian soil? Hell, the US attacked an Iranian vessel during an exhibition and military exercise with India less than a week ago.
> Of course you want to bring up events that happened 50-70 years ago.
Respectfully, those events don't magically stop mattering, and shape the current worldview of the country and its leadership. Just like centuries of slavery, red line laws, forced medical experimentation, forced sterilization, etc don't magically stop mattering in the US. They shape current events. Just because you personally may have a short memory and want to handwave away the past, most people don't. It shapes culture.
They had a democratically elected government, which was killed off by the US and UK during Operation AJAX for the crime of nationalizing oil after they had been forced into exploitive long term contracts with anglo oil companies during their years as a WWI mandate.
The puppet leader and his secret police killed off most secularists and democracy supporters, leaving the country primarily populated with religious authoritarians. That led directly to the Iranian revolution.
After the revolution, the US provided chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein during the Iraq/Iran war specifically to be used against Iranians, and helped fund his war. We essentially helped kill an entire generation of their people, and we set the stage to kill a bunch of our own when Saddam broke his leash later on.
Obama managed to work out an enforcable agreement allowing a path towards civilian use of nuclear materials which Iran was abiding by, and Trump shredded it. Then he assassinated a military leader under the guise of peace talks.
Essentially, the entire reason the regime and the country want access to nuclear arms is because they view it as the only way to actually control their own country without foreign influence, specifically because of the history of antagonism from outside actors. And now they know that they have no choice because if they back down, they will be attacked again in 3 more months. They know they can't trust us because our government has broken countless agreements, and they can't even trust peace talks because they've been used to murder officials.
> They literally just had mass casualties from authorities now.
Regarding numbers - you keep going on about how the people don't want the regime - the country has 93m people. The recent protests saw, at most, 50,000 people (that is the highest number I could find). There were lots of protests, but most were quite small. About 10k were killed. That represents .05% and .01% of the population respectively. You seem to be assuming that the entire population is against the regime when there don't really seem to be numbers bearing that out.
And whatever dissent was there likely is now taking a back seat thanks to direct attacks on civilian populations. That tends to make people go hardline very quickly because when your country is under attack, you stick with the people who are defending you. Especially when you're dealing with a Shia Muslim culture where martyrdom is a far bigger deal than it is with the Sunni populations we've been attacking.
I am not defending the regime. In fact, I would love to see the people of Iran have a democratic, secular government like the one that we stole from them. They deserve it. Their expats deserve a chance to return home. I spent quite a long time studying the country in University, know multiple families of expats, and feel better informed than most Americans to discuss it.
I am pointing out that your assumptions appear to be flawed, and seem to be built upon a belief that relatively recent events don't shape their culture. They do. And there are people who experienced them first hand who are still alive today. Frankly your view is that of a heavily propagandized outsider and you're not looking at this the way an Iranian citizen would who is experiencing this first hand, watching kids be murdered, hospitals be blown up, and desalination plants be destroyed.
-Jake-27- | 4 hours ago
They’ve been in a proxy war the ENTIRE time this regime has been in power. How do you excuse the proxy war with Saudi Arabia, which is aligned with all the gulf states. It’s so fucking annoying reading these comments selectively picking out history when you have Iran which is at war with the US, Israel and the gulf state SIMULTANEOUSLY. Literally funding proxies in different theatres to destabilise the region.
The culture doesn’t want this shiite totalitarian government. I’m not hand waiving the past. Iranians don’t want perpetual war with the US. It doesn’t benefit the average Iranian whatsoever.
The Shah did not kill more secular Iranians than the Islamic regime have. They were brutal. But saying “killing most” is a categorical lie and you don’t have a source for that. The Shah was pro secularist for one. You’re lying about the scale of killing that was done under the Shah.
How is the highest number you found 50,000 people? How long did you look? There were protests in every single province, in 210 cities. There were well over a million protesting in Tehran. Iran has been a disaster with the sanctions and people are tired of living under a regime that is more obsessed with combating Zionism over their daily lives.
https://www.en-hrana.org/day-50-of-the-protests-intensification-of-security-prosecutions-and-uncertainty-regarding-the-status-of-detainees/
There were at least 50,000 arrests. So you’re lying again because you didn’t find 50,000 at most. Some claims are saying 5 million may have protested. The reality is the Iranian regime have deliberately obfuscated that fact and clamped down violently to maintain order. And you’re handwaiving that? Who gives a fuck what percentage of the population died? 2 people get shot by ICE and it’s a national story, 10K Iranians are killed and you just fucking hand waive it like it’s nothing.
Yes I’m sure the population just forgot overnight all the deaths, injuries and trauma their own reignite inflicted on them.
borkus | a day ago
Not just economics - the Supreme Leader knows more about geography. The Strait of Hormuz is one of the major chokepoints for shipping on the globe. And Iran doesn't have to physically patrol it. They just have to make it reasonably likely that any ship traversing the strait will be disabled. They can launch drones relatively close to the Strait, making interception more difficult. Cargo on a single container ship typically ranges from hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. Iran can seriously damage a ship using a $50,000 drone.
Two other geographic issues -
* As reported elsewhere, Doha and Dubai are major airline hubs between Europe and South Asia. Their location and economic development make them an ideal location for refuelling and transfers. The air war has significantly impeded air travel.
* Not only do the Persian Gulf countries export their petroleum products via the Straits, but they also import food and other commodities. None of the countries on the Arabian Peninsula is self-sufficient in food; they rely on imports. While shortages are unlikely, costs will increase in the Gulf States if their food needs to be transported by land through Saudi Arabia.
MetalBeardKing | a day ago
All the more reason to end their reign ….
thebluepin | a day ago
by doing what exactly?
MetalBeardKing | a day ago
Killing them off.. current supremes bloodline already wiped out … good riddance
thebluepin | a day ago
... did you miss the killing of all the school girls? did they deserve to die? because congrats you just radicalized all those parents. you cant bomb your way to peace. as literally every war has shown.
MetalBeardKing | 23 hours ago
Did you miss the fact that at 13 they can be sold off and married and that there’s no crime for rape if their husbands decide to rape them daily… daily
One errant missile doesn’t absolve Iran of its shitty culture, shitty theocracy , decades of funding terror , abusive relationship towards women- shut the fuck up with that weak ass excuse…
Next time you say school girl , maybe realize what an atrocious and absolute shit their futures are and hopefully on the bureaucracy is wiped off their face of this earth They’ll have a chance at a normal life. Why do you think five of the soccer players just defected? Why do you think that Iran is not sending any of their men to the World Cup ? because the whole team will defect. You’re being obtuse if you don’t see this…
thebluepin | 23 hours ago
yikes. Mask off.
MetalBeardKing | 20 hours ago
Yikes- people who support countries it’s legal to rape 13 yr old girls in …
thebluepin | 19 hours ago
The irony is that Iran and United States do finally share something in common! Child marriage! Oh don't forget the legal rape of women, removing women's rights. Oh and concentration camps! Theocracies unite!
https://19thnews.org/2023/07/explaining-child-marriage-laws-united-states/ https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/us-states-child-marriage-legal-under-18-819065-20251119
WpgMBNews | 17 hours ago
And what about the other 93 million people? Just keep bombing them until democracy magically happens?
Easy-Marsupial3268 | a day ago
The finance capitalist class is making a killing!!!
nikosmax | a day ago
5 minutes ago I was going through a post claiming he lost a leg and was in comma since the attack. Someone is lying xD
ReturnOfBigChungus | a day ago
Well, this was just a message that a state TV reported read, so it’s not clear that those things aren’t true. He could obviously still be alive and/or not severely injured, but this doesn’t prove that.
nikosmax | a day ago
Right. I'm saying which one is lying. Just stating that both are not possible. TBH, it's for me to believe they would appoint him in such a bad state, but....
ReturnOfBigChungus | a day ago
Yeah, I mean I think the longer it goes without real evidence that he’s alive and functioning, the more that would lead me to believe he’s not. Providing some kind of proof would be a top priority for regime stability so it’s pretty suspicious that nothing has emerged. They could quite easily at least record a video in a secure location (to the extent that exists), scrub the metadata, and pass it through to state media. Remember they were also claiming his father was still alive well after he was known dead. If I had to guess, he’s probably still alive but severely injured and they don’t want the optics of trotting out a clearly hobbled “supreme” leader, although it does make me wonder about the calculus that went into appointing him in the first place if that is his condition. Its possible with so many dead, he was the only option that could get consensus support in the fog of war, or perhaps that appointing someone several layers down would provide too strong a signal on how much of leadership has been killed.
Bluestreaked | a day ago
It’s still possible he lost a leg and could’ve been in a coma (they usually only last a few days), it’s fog of war. Don’t trust that anyone knows exactly what happens. Just keep trying to pay attention to what few facts of reality we know (such as a statement being read on tv and ships burning in the ocean) and base your analysis off of that
Caracalla81 | a day ago
This will probably be a big boost for alternative energy. Where i live heating is all electric, and electricity is cheap amd stable. If i had an electric car I would have minimized my exposure to fossil fuel shocks. Hopefully this gets people supporting faster decarbonization.
thr1276 | a day ago
There is a huge gain here Netanyahu gets to keep his position and Israeli citizens gets to enjoy a war they support by huge majority.
Go Israel!
Easy-Marsupial3268 | a day ago
Haha. This is good comedy.
BenevolentCheese | a day ago
Wow it's almost like the little princeling who now runs one of the most historically powerful empires on the planet is actually a literal terrorist that is going to destroy as much of the West as he can before he dies. Who would've seen that coming?
No-Good-One-Shoe | a day ago
The post above this one is about how he's in a coma. Is he or isn't he
rcglinsk | 22 hours ago
"Short term pain for long term gain," says the drunk at the craps table.
Nervous-Lock7503 | 13 hours ago
At this rate, Trump might have to sleep with Mojtaba to end the war..
[OP] PurpleReign123 | 10 hours ago
Wow! That’s the ultimate threat!
The Supreme Leader would not want that to happen.
Extreme-Mood5605 | a day ago
You are wrong!! Trump said that the war “was won in the first hour.” Is on video! He said it. It’s on video. It must be true! We won!! /s
pooinmypants1 | a day ago
“Dear Leader” reference
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Werealldudesyea | a day ago
> Doesn’t look like the war will be over soon. Long-term pain (for many people)… but is there any gain (aside for Russia)?
I see this ending soon, Iran continues to alienate themselves by declaring that if they feel pain everyone needs to feel pain. It’s only a matter of time before the wheels of the market move entirely against them. They need trade and infrastructure to continue after this conflict, the longer the conflict goes on the more they risk losing. Not only will they not have a military, but their infrastructure is going to be gutted and all trade partners alienated.
Okoear | a day ago
I mean same can be said for US. They are the one who triggered the sequence of action that made the oil price rise.
Werealldudesyea | a day ago
The biggest difference is the USD is reserve currency and our economy is the largest in the world, we are an extremely valuable trading partner that cannot be ignored. We have way more leverage than Iran, it’s a silly comparison.
Okoear | a day ago
Yeah but US is destroying it's credibility and all its allies are trying to dissociate from them. Main thing Trump is doing is pushing them to China.
Werealldudesyea | a day ago
I know there’s a certain narrative going around trying to frame the US economy as weakening or losing dominance. These claims are extremely overblown and out of proportion to the claims they are making.
The reality is the world is deeply embedded in the status quo, and even if they wanted to liquidate and de-invest away from the USD it would take decades. The problem they face is there is no economy that can handle the injection of capital, there’s no comparable markets out there compared to the US. It would cost more facilitating the transfer of wealth then the invest would generate, compared to literally doing nothing.
Agile_Reputation_190 | 22 hours ago
If this goes on for a couple more weeks, the petrodollar dies
Werealldudesyea | 22 hours ago
Weeks? It would take like 50 years to disentangle, and even then the outcome isn’t certain what currency competes or how global trading blocks even take shape. Either way USD will always remain dominant simply because of existing investment.
NotMyMainLoLzy | a day ago
This administration truly stepped in it. This was entirely an unforced error. TDS got us here (Trump Devotion Syndrome) and now we’re dealing with a more hardline version of the Ayatollah…fantastic. Now global oil trade is disrupted and the supply chain is neutered.
Gas continues to rise at the pumps in the US and worldwide
boblabon | a day ago
Stepped in it implies this was a careless mistake.
They jumped into it with both feet and are confused why everyone thinks they did something stupid. We're watching them try (and fail) to spin it live and waiting for the music to stop and see who gets the blame.
Maybe when gas prices rise over $5/gallon all the MAGA idiots will realize they've been duped.
LuminousRaptor | a day ago
>Maybe when gas prices rise over $5/gallon all the MAGA idiots will realize they've been duped.
I admire your optimism, but we've long since past any reasonable self reflection for people who are still MAGA.
boblabon | a day ago
Don't underestimate just how 'real' gas prices are compared to everything else.
Everything else; ICE actions, the war itself, chaotic government, the Epstein files, etc. is immaterial to the average MAGA person. Just shit on a screen that can be changed, spun, ignored, or they might even think is a good thing. Or the short attention span (COVID response, Jan 6th, etc) memory-holeing anything that happened in Trump's first term. It's functionally no different than watching the NFL; it's entertainment that doesn't have an REAL impact in good ol' Anytown, USA.
Ask yourself; if you didn't have access to the internet, exactly how much would you have noticed in the last 15 months? Unless you lived in Chicago or Minneapolis during the mass ICE raids, my guess is not that much. Maybe a business or two closed, or the odd person talking about it here or there, but nothing that couldn't he waved off as business as usual.
Gas prices are something they need to look at every day. Seeing the numbers on the signs be higher when you drive home from work than when you left. Its in-your-face impossible to ignore. You can't turn it off if it makes you uncomfortable. It can't be spun, or have a convenient talking-head to walk you through how to feel about it. They'll have to look at the number on the pump, see it go up up up up with nobody to blame except Trump.
Ryzu | a day ago
This is a very astute and accurate comment. People online vastly overestimate how much of MAGA actually pays attention to anything online, outside of maybe Facebook, and only ever sees what Fox News wants them to see, never the truth, never reality.
That reality fucks them real hard when it shows up at the pump.
1-Dollar-Doge-Coins | a day ago
The problem is when they're told to blame it on something else. If they don't ultimately blame Trump for it, it doesn't have the impact that sane people would like it to have.
Ryzu | a day ago
Also very true.
MyNuggets | 21 hours ago
Also consider.. the hardcore maga will believe what they need to believe, but I can’t imagine this situation and rising gas prices will push people towards Trump, but I can imagine it moves people away from him
NotMyMainLoLzy | a day ago
Yes but, cult. TDS, Trump Devotion Syndrome. I’ve recently started to investigate and research cults of personality. Sometimes, there’s no exit until the leader just isn’t there anymore. I think we’ll be dealing with maga for another decade, in one way or another.
The good news is, no one will be able to pick up the mantle afterwards. Just be prepared for a presidency where his supporters genuinely see him as a god. We have three more years of the direct rule, and probably ten of indirect rule by him being a “King Maker” for the GOP
303uru | a day ago
This is correct. Your average MAGAt lives in a bubble you cannot even imagine. Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, a curated stream of Facebook bullshit, etc... They have zero clue what's happening in the world. But if the gas price goes way up, they notice, and a huge chunk of them are carbrained dummies so it's THE thing they notice.
nightswatchman | a day ago
This is so relevant, I’m a family doctor working in Florida and when the Medicaid and ACA cuts took effect on Jan 1st people finally started noticing they were getting fucked over when their premiums skyrocketed or they were thrown off their insurance.
This war’s costing $870M a day per Pentagon estimates, while keeping someone on Medicaid averages only about $10k annually, so you can do the math how many people we could’ve funded for their healthcare. The crazy thing is that I’m deep in Trump country and most of these people literally voted for their own downfall 🤷♂️
chilifartso | a day ago
You’re implying that the cult followers have critical thinking skills. They’ll blame Biden or someone else somehow. “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”.
Best thing to do is shun them all forever and ever.
NotMyMainLoLzy | a day ago
It’s called Trump Devotion Syndrome for a reason, there won’t be any changing of minds. It’s a cult at this point.
feelthecernburn | a day ago
Israel got us here
CwrwCymru | a day ago
The US had a choice and made it.
feelthecernburn | a day ago
The US government is controlled by Israel.
CwrwCymru | a day ago
Then why did Americans vote them in?
1-Dollar-Doge-Coins | a day ago
Get ready for the "bOtH sIdEs" response.
dust4ngel | a day ago
> Then why did Americans vote them in?
why wouldn't they? just because trump fell into an israeli honeypot kompromat scheme doesn't mean americans wouldn't vote for him - he admitted to sexually assaulting women on video and voters were like "seems fine."
Zef-Daytrade | a day ago
Biden stopped running mid election, and his backup was just a slogan shouter closer to a soccer mom with no real campaign goal that at best is vice president material.
Basically the only choice was Trump shrugs at least everyone knows he will pull off stupid shit left and right.
feelthecernburn | a day ago
Not going to argue with someone who is disingenuous. If you can’t see that the US is controlled by Israel, then you’re either delusional or a zionist yourself.
CwrwCymru | a day ago
On brand for an American to jump to an extremist reactionary response.
No wonder your country is in this state.
feelthecernburn | a day ago
There are many factors. Lack of awareness is one of the biggest. Israel controls the media, and the voters never connect the dots. Anyone who tries to speak up is immediately labeled anti-Semitic and canceled. AIPAC stays out of the spotlight.
Caracalla81 | a day ago
Boom! Headshot!
Draxxthemsklounsst | a day ago
The United States of israhell
feelthecernburn | a day ago
People keep thinking Trump is the problem. It’s Israel. Always has been. Netanyahu said he’s been yearning for this war for 40 years.
The scariest part? They’re ready to suck us dry then toss us aside if we fail in this war. They think they won’t go down with us.
commencefailure | a day ago
I get it that Isreal is involved and have a lot of influence. But bro, Trump and Hegseth and the republicans are human beings who make decisions of their own accord. We need to blame the people who write the checks and pull the triggers. We need to charge them for war crimes and put them in jail. We should get our own house in order before making the isreal a bogey man for all of our troubles.
feelthecernburn | a day ago
I hear you, but the point is they are all compromised, no matter red or blue. Almost everyone in Washington works for Israel. Trump, Hegseth, Rubio… they believe the Israeli narrative. They listen to Israeli interests more than American interests. Israel the common denominator. And Biden was too. He oversaw the genocide in Gaza. The reason Kamala lost was because she refused to denounce the genocide. Every US administration in the last few decades has been controlled by Israel. Obama carried out the wars in Libya and Syria on behalf of Israel. Bush carried out Afghanistan and Iraq on behalf of Israel. Clinton was pressured to go to war in Iran. HW bush presided over the gulf war. Reagan the Iran-Iraq war and Lebanon. And it goes back further. So you can swap out the public facing figures, but until you address the root cause, nothing will ever change.
commencefailure | a day ago
My man!!!! You gotta be careful with yourself. I agree that Israel’s politics are awful and they’ve committed genocide and they’ve got too much influence on us.
But being like “for the past 60 years they’re the source of all of our problems” is pretty conspiracy theoryish for me. We have all the power in this situation, we write the checks, we build and drop the bombs. We are at fault and we need to hold our leadership to account. If Israel cut ties like North Korea and we never spoke to them, our government would still suck, would still do warm crimes, etc etc etc
feelthecernburn | a day ago
It is not a conspiracy theory, and I am not blaming all our problems on them either. There is nothing conspiratorial about recognizing that that group has outsized influence on US politics and the operation of this country. You need to research the history of Zionism in America and the Israel lobby. And look at who owns the all the sensitive power structures in this country. And I am going to stop there now.
commencefailure | a day ago
Fixing our problems will be really hard. Blaming a small country in the Middle East is easy.
We have to do the hard work and make sure the right people get elected. If people believe in theories like this they’re less likely to do the hard electoral work.
NotMyMainLoLzy | a day ago
I’ve been temp banned from two subs for saying saying Israel has some culpability here, so I can’t.
feelthecernburn | a day ago
I know, me too. They control everything. Big risk
FlyingBishop | a day ago
The US controls everything. Israel is a patsy. If the US didn't want this congress would've stopped it weeks ago.
ktaktb | a day ago
This is the first downward slide of the markets where trump cant taco out of it
circuitloss | a day ago
I'll get roasted for this I'm sure, but I honestly hope that oil goes to $200 a barrel. The people who support the Rapist-In-Chief need to face the consequences of their actions. Yes, it will suck. Yes, we will all pay for this collectively, yes, people will die, but my asshat neighbors with lifted trucks will pay far, far more than I will and it seems like gas prices are the only thing that means anything to them.
Good, bring on $200 a barrel. It will be a disaster for the US economy but it's the only language the MAGAts speak.
The war with Iran is the first time I've seen actual despair over in /r/Conservative . Good for them. You want to elect a toddler with poor impulse control? This is what you get. Let's burn the whole house down.
dust4ngel | a day ago
> It will be a disaster for the US economy but it's the only language the MAGAts speak
what's unfortunate is that economic hardship is a cause of fascism - so while MAGA speaks the language of economic pain, it causes them to fascism even harder, even as it starves their children to death.
bass_heavy | a day ago
Invasion incoming in …3…..2…..
Alarming_Comedian846 | a day ago
JDPON Don is real
jamesd1100 | a day ago
Yeah I give this guy maybe 10 days to live to be honest lmao
Zef-Daytrade | a day ago
Yea the old Ayatollah in his old age actually was more content in building up the country than being hardline. You can totally see it if you dont listen to politicians and just read the news headlines of multiple news sources.
Of course USA and Israel didn't want this......
BenjaminHamnett | 18 hours ago
It’s our fault for still talking about that Epstein Creep that was the only friend he ever had. He had him killed, isn’t that enough? It’s like he killed Hitler but everyone’s still mad that he’s also Hitler
TheRuneMeister | a day ago
This might not be planned but it plays into Trumps hands. Allied nations didn’t want to support the war, but this could end up forcing their hands. Fubar.
Artistic_Concern_33 | a day ago
lol more hardline is garbage, everything he said was predictable, what were you expecting a new leader who will say let’s forgive and forget, they will be killed by the IRGC, if you read the statement he basically says, they will stop if the US stops and in terms of reparations, they will find a different way to collect if the US doesn’t pay. Not sure what was different that the previous leader wouldn’t have said. Honestly that speech was tame
Zealousideal-Yak3845 | a day ago
No mention of the nuclear fatwa?
mintfox88 | a day ago
So we should have just let a terrorist entity hold the world economy hostage. Nah.
artisanrox | a day ago
you must be really mad that our own Admin has been attacking Minneapolis
mintfox88 | 21 hours ago
I am, it's not mutually exclusive.
Ilil9nbxclli1 | a day ago
It had to be dealt with at some point. This line of appeasement is what ultimately ended up leading to WW2. Yea we should just turn a blind eye to a brutal dictator because he has oil. Listen to yourself.
I guess we should just let all criminals do what they want
circuitloss | a day ago
> I guess we should just let all criminals do what they want
That's exactly what we're doing with the rapists and pedophiles... Letting them get away with their crimes.
Or are you claiming we should actually prosecute some of them? Imagine that!
Ilil9nbxclli1 | a day ago
A broken clock is right twice a day.
When you have blind allegiance to the party like you do it’s hard to critically think. Anything Trump does equals bad. Try and do some critical thinking and think for yourself.
If 100% of your views align with a single party, you’re the joke.
I agree people who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Is that your gotcha moment? I agree with you lol.
1-Dollar-Doge-Coins | a day ago
I'm certainly not defending this war, but both things are bad. Focusing on one bad thing doesn't excuse the other bad thing.
artisanrox | a day ago
Cheerleading an Amin using military force that has been currently attacking its own cities for months is really not making that argument look credible
BroughtBagLunchSmart | a day ago
Jesus fucking christ MAGA read a book one time, it is all we ask you. Entirely nonsense.
Ilil9nbxclli1 | a day ago
Europeans ignoring German expansion is literally what caused WW2. Maybe you should read a history book
Zef-Daytrade | a day ago
So why should we turn a blind eye to the USA because they have the guns. Listen to yourself.
I guess we should just let all criminals do what they want
Ilil9nbxclli1 | a day ago
Might is right.
Welcome to reality
Zef-Daytrade | 23 hours ago
Oil is right
Welcome to economics
artisanrox | a day ago
GTFO with this moralizing. It SHOULD NOT be dealt with by an Administration that was appointed for photogenics that can't point to where Iran in on a map
>I guess we should just let all criminals do what they want
Trump can't even run a charity in NYC but rightie dumbshits put him IN OFFICE AGAIN
Ilil9nbxclli1 | a day ago
a broken clock is still right twice a day.
It was actually the liberal left that drove voters to vote Republican. The Democrats put voters between a rock and a hard place and they lost out bad.
artisanrox | 23 hours ago
So...they drove everyone to vote for concentration camps and ethnic cleansing over...economic stability?? And health care??
Sakuraphenixx | a day ago
This all feels and is so stupid. So the orange Turnip shares American secrets with Russia, and Russia is giving those secrets with Iran. This is all so stupid in every way.
lnth1 | a day ago
I heard the same about the sharing secrets but curious is there evidence?
AxlLight | 19 hours ago
He didn't share very good secrets if he did, I mean Russia is barely hanging on, and Iran's leadership was decimated in an hour.
Xeynon | a day ago
Translation: TACOs are off the menu. Trump won't just be declaring victory and walking away from this one. The IR know they have him over a barrel and they're going to make it hurt before they let him go.
artbystorms | a day ago
Iran is going to keep this going as long as it can, at least up through the midterms. We bombed a school full of children and killed this guy's entire family. Dude is going to collapse the world economy as revenge.
michael__sykes | a day ago
I don't think he really cares about that school tbh
northcasewhite | 14 hours ago
You talk with little knowledge. Just assumptions.
michael__sykes | 13 hours ago
You really think that someone who's part of a regime that killed tens of thousands of protestors cares about that? It's just logical.
northcasewhite | 3 hours ago
I honestly think you and everyone else needs to study these matters deeper. Look at opinions from more than one side.
E.g. do you actually think this is true? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/06/iran-bans-the-mullet
What we have here is viral opinions. Some guys make things up and it spreads. I spent the days leading up to that protest crackdown watching videos coming out of Iran and my view of what happened is in line with this: https://youtu.be/jFaYFhMzCtM?t=588
I have learned it is easy to dupe the masses about what happens in other countries.
northcasewhite | 14 hours ago
I know this might be hard for you to understand but if it was the previous leader who had his family killed, he would still be able to control his emotions when making decisions.
_ssac_ | 10 hours ago
As a anchor I followed said: they are in martyr mode.
Don't expect them to negotiate to end the conflict just because it would be good for Iranian people to stop the current bombings.
They can't "win" a proper war against USA, we all know that, they know it better than anyone, but they can extend the conflict for a really long time and hurt the rest of the world (USA and their used-to-be-allies, like Europe) as much as possible.
NatSpaghettiAgency | a day ago
I hate the Iranian regime but how to blame him on this?
RichKatz | a day ago
We are essentially now blaming people for just living there?
Or for just living there and being bombed.
Zef-Daytrade | a day ago
the Gaza playbook... got it.
Nehan_Satori | a day ago
Why do you hate them?
Prestigious_Load1699 | a day ago
They fund terror proxies in the region (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, Syrian militias, etc.) which act as a major destabilizing force in the region.
All of their neighbors hate the Ayatollah regime, which is why the Middle Eastern countries are being screamingly quiet during all of this.
Also, the regime just killed 30,000 of its own people during an uprising demanding economic opportunity, civil rights, and end to their reign of terror.
Need anything else?
northcasewhite | 14 hours ago
>All of their neighbors hate the Ayatollah regime
Not most Iraqis and Bahrainis.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 14 hours ago
A 2020 poll showed that only 15% of Iraqis hold a favorable view towards Iran.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/avoiding-iranian-trap-iraqi-shia-are-not-loyal-iran#:~:text=According%20to%20polls%2C%20over%2085%25%20of%20Iraqis%2C,of%20Iran's%20domestic%20politics%20and%20foreign%20policy.
Nehan_Satori | a day ago
Resistance isn't terrorism. Especially when one is resisting the Epstein regime.
No, they don't, clearly. Latest reports are the Gulf nations are rethinking their partnerships with the Epstein regime due to his chaotic imperialistic aims.
Propaganda devoid of evidence. The type the Epstein always employs when they want to bully nations they cannot control in order to justify aggressions
Yes, something legitimate would be nice. Resisting colonialism isn't a justifiable reason to hate someone.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 23 hours ago
Wow.
I've never met someone who legitimately thinks the word "Epstein" is a suitable replacement for critical thought and substantive rebuttal.
Next time, just say "NUH UH!" and be done with it.
Nehan_Satori | 23 hours ago
A roundabout way of saying you can't refute my argument.
Prestigious_Load1699 | 22 hours ago
Holy shit.
You can make a post without blathering Epstein with every other word.
With regard to your so-called rebuttal, I stand by my original post and have nothing to add.
Take care.
Nehan_Satori | 22 hours ago
No accountability for the West being dictated by the Epstein regime. Predictable.
DecentManufacturer27 | a day ago
Thank you trump for being retarded and destroying the world economy twice only in one year. Destroying any faith we have in the US as a stable economy by tariffing and attacking allies and now causing chaos in the Middle East by assassinating irans cabinet without cause. I can’t wait to pay more on the pump and electricity
5minArgument | a day ago
Give credit where due. It took him 2 1/2 -3 years to fuck the US economy the last time.
He has greatly improved. This time t’s only taken one year.
Nehan_Satori | a day ago
He's single handedly accelerated the demise of the West
Sevastous-of-Caria | a day ago
Just a reminder. This guy isnt going to ease off even for the state. He was known to be a hardliner. And worse news is that. His wife,children and parents all been killed off. He lives just to smoke whatever is coming.
El_Polio_Loco | a day ago
But we also have reports that this guy has been in a coma for a week.
Sooooooooo?
APRengar | a day ago
I mean, it's clear the IRGC has no issue using him to pursue their ends regardless. The individual doesn't matter.
El_Polio_Loco | a day ago
Willingness to simply make statements in the name of a person who's basically dead gives significantly less credence to their veracity and authenticity.
Nehan_Satori | a day ago
Western media isn't reliable, clearly
El_Polio_Loco | 23 hours ago
No media is reliable. Especially information that makes it to the front of reddit.
AxlLight | 19 hours ago
Yeah, compared to the Iranian media who let's be reminded, has for a whole day stated that no only is their former leader still alive despite reports that he was killed, he was also going to speak in just a moment.
Nehan_Satori | 18 hours ago
Western media covers for the Epstein regime
bean930 | a day ago
This is the Ukraine-Russia war in inverse. Russia began a "special military operation" in Ukraine, and the U.S. advised Ukraine militarily in order to sink Russia into a forever war and spiral their economy.
This time, the U.S. began a "special military operation" in Iran, and Russia is advising Iran militarily in order to sink us into a forever war and spiral our economy.
ryanstephendavis | 15 hours ago
This is a very interesting take and seriously makes way too much sense
RichKatz | a day ago
The closing of the straights ought to be expected by Mr. Trump. It has already ruined several presidencies. I just wish Penn would have informed Freds children that they had to learn their political-economic ABC's.
Trump Has Lost the Plot in Iran >Like many of his predecessors over the past five decades, Donald Trump risks having his presidency hijacked by Iran.
Trump, I am guessing, was probably taught by Fred to never study history...
Zef-Daytrade | a day ago
it isnt even history, its just reading the pentagon studies and recommendations based on the costs involved without shooting for the moon in goals.
sadly Trump likes to shoot for the moon even if its impossible.
numbmumpleb1ister | 21 hours ago
In a battle of wills, and with Iran in control of the Strait, it is unlikely that the U.S. felon in chief will “win” this game of chicken over the transportation of oil. The orange one has overestimated his own position. I would wager a lot of money that he knows nothing about his adversary. The economic impact of this is going to be way uglier and last much longer than POTUS even imagines. He lives in a gilded fantasy land, while Americans suffer the economic consequences.
ThroatEducational271 | 23 hours ago
The funny thing about the U.S./Israeli attack is that it literally makes China stronger.
With the energy crisis, the argument for renewables is ever stronger and China is of course the leader in renewables by a large margin.
There will be ever growing demand for Chinese solar panels and wind turbines and of course Chinese EVs too.
It also makes China comparatively more reliable than the U.S. Its a nation that hasn’t been at war since 1979, while the U.S. endlessly exerts it power via its military.
In addition, the surge in oil and gas prices is going to hit the west much more than China, which has access to Russian oil, long term contracts at discounted prices.
Plus the SOCs in China will be absorbing most of the price increases to cushion the rest of the economy, no such cushioning in the US and Europe.
SankaraMarx | a day ago
And I agree even if I have to pay more at the pump and my whole country might collapse
Someone has to stand up to the warmongering shit stains in the US and Israeli governments
Croc_Dwag | a day ago
You think Iran is any better lol
SankaraMarx | a day ago
Awww, you think he did something there big Dawg ...
25 countries they have directly attacked since 1945
Over 50 and closer to 70 in which they had a hand in coups and other covert interventions
|Country|Years|Type of Action|Notes| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |China|1945–1946|Military intervention|U.S. troops deployed during Chinese Civil War| |North Korea|1950–1953|War|Korean War| |South Korea|1950–1953|War (operations conducted there)|U.S. forces fought on South Korean territory| |Guatemala|1954|Military/CIA-backed intervention|Air attacks during coup| |Indonesia|1958|Bombing support|Anti-government rebellion support| |Cuba|1961|Invasion|Bay of Pigs| |Laos|1964–1973|Massive bombing campaign|Secret war| |Vietnam|1964–1975|War|Vietnam War| |Cambodia|1969–1975|Bombing and invasion|Vietnam War expansion| |Dominican Republic|1965|Military invasion|Occupation to stop leftist uprising| |Lebanon|1958, 1982–1984|Military intervention|Marines deployed| |Grenada|1983|Full invasion|Overthrew Marxist government| |Libya|1986|Air strikes|Bombing ordered by Reagan| |Panama|1989|Full invasion|Removal of Noriega| |Iraq|1991|War|Gulf War| |Somalia|1992–1994|Military intervention|Operation Restore Hope| |Bosnia & Herzegovina|1995|NATO bombing|Yugoslav wars| |Sudan|1998|Missile strikes|Al-Shifa factory bombing| |Afghanistan|1998, 2001–2021|Missile strikes and full war|War on Terror| |Yugoslavia (Serbia)|1999|NATO bombing|Kosovo War| |Yemen|2002–present|Drone strikes|Counter-terror operations| |Pakistan|2004–2018|Drone strikes|Cross-border war on terror| |Iraq|2003–2011, 2014–present|Full invasion and war|Iraq War| |Libya|2011|NATO air war|Overthrow of Gaddafi| |Syria|2014–present|Air strikes and troop deployment|Anti-ISIS operations|
wyocrz | a day ago
You missed the coup of '53 against Iran and the indirect war against Russia starting in earnest in '22.
SankaraMarx | a day ago
The conflicts listed here is just where America got directly involved with soldiers and military strikes, not counting the coups and other fuckery they were involved with
Strange how the MAGA-"minded" crowd doesn't understand that "fundamentalist" theocratic Iran is a baby they helped to produce along with their imperialist buddies in the UK
defaultedebt | a day ago
And what is the economic relevance of this Mr Sankara? Or Mr Marx? What do you prefer?
I mean, it's fun and all pointing fingers at how the US has caused terror, but this is a forum for economics, not history.
SankaraMarx | 23 hours ago
If I have to explain it to you, then I wonder what you are even doing in the economics sub ...
defaultedebt | 23 hours ago
Yeah, I expected as much. A deflection rather than a response.
Might it be because you're unable to explain the relevance?
SankaraMarx | 23 hours ago
Why would I waste time with someone who starts a comment with subtle trolling in the first sentence
Get over yourself, I don't owe you anything
defaultedebt | 23 hours ago
How is it trolling? I respect the contributions Marx has made to philosophy, and what Sankara has done for anti-imperialist movements in Africa.
It seems you would be better suited going somewhere else to discuss the issues Marx and Sankara bring up, given that much of Marx's economics (e.g Labor Theory of Value) is unable to predict economic conditions and is a poorly formed model. It's been largely debunked by economists. But as I mentioned, the contribution Marx has provided to political philosophy over the last 200 years is undeniable.
It's not economics though.
Again, I must just come to the conclusion that you're admitting that what you talk about is irrelevant from economics.
pharm4karma | a day ago
Why did you leave out WWI and WWII?
S_K_I | a day ago
Because the United States up until this point wasn't the dominant super power of the world. Plus it puts things in context the geo-political attitude showing how the US has been the biggest aggressor in the world by magnitudes. What makes this list crazy is he didn't even link the countless coups, assaassinations, and installation of dictators by our own hands. But this clearly illustrates the ruthless history of the United States since the 1950's.
SankaraMarx | a day ago
I was considering answering, but I thought it would be a waste of time, but I thank you for the short, sweet and to the point answer you gave the man
OldPostageScale | a day ago
>Yugoslavia
This always gives away the plot
SankaraMarx | a day ago
There is no plot, there is only history, and America was involved with the bombings in Yugoslavia to back their sketchy local friends that side
WpgMBNews | 17 hours ago
That list is full of obvious geopolitical mistakes that, aside from minor sideshows like Grenada, did not end well for the Americans......but what's with including the Korean War?
Obviously the Americans neither "attacked" nor engaged in a "covert intervention". That was 100% an attempt at conquest by the North.
The United Nations repelled that aggression, and Canada proudly fought alongside them.
Even the Afghan intervention, for all it's flaws and backstory of "giving weapons to the Mujahideen", was arguably a response to America being attacked on 9/11 (and they only ever armed the Mujahideen to help repel the Soviet invasion of that country).
Croc_Dwag | a day ago
Shooting protesters is only bad when the us do it
SankaraMarx | a day ago
All of the sudden the "don't tread on me, muuuuh luuuburteee muuuh gunsssss" cowards are quiet when Trump tells them they can't say anything bad about Israel and they are not allowed to be armed while attending public protests
WEAK sauce my guy
Croc_Dwag | 17 hours ago
Yes or no please
SankaraMarx | 15 hours ago
Some spine please
zedarzy | a day ago
As if MAGA gives two shits about that.
SankaraMarx | a day ago
They honestly don't ... they just love Trump cause he allows them to hate on "other" People
mickeyt1 | a day ago
Obvious bot reply is obvious
SankaraMarx | a day ago
Much like thst bot between your legs broer
19yzerman19 | a day ago
It’s impressive how far propaganda bots have come since the early 2000’s. I suppose AI has helped but this is pretty good, I could see a lot of low IQ westerners falling for this.
SankaraMarx | a day ago
People should start accepting that they can't just shout "bot" when someone holds a different opinion than them
It is not the kindergarten, you can't just call "Bullshit" and declare a win
If you wanna call bullshit, then slap down the facts (according to you) so it can be processed and qualified
19yzerman19 | a day ago
This reply wasn’t as good as I had hoped, whatever AI typed that up for you wasn’t as succinct as the first few times. Perhaps I was overly complimentary at first. Can you redo it and add more anti western messaging? I enjoy reading these propaganda bot posts very much.
SankaraMarx | a day ago
Take your Great Replacement sad story somewhere else, I feel fokkol for Western "Civilization"
19yzerman19 | a day ago
Damn, I was wrong. Modern bots can be broken just as easily as the early 2000’s bots. Was fun to test though.
pgtl_10 | a day ago
Iran didn't bomb anyone out of blue.
Croc_Dwag | a day ago
Turkey what did they do?
VlijmenFileer | a day ago
He's not the only one to say so. I'm guessing the whole world except the US terrorist regime, the Israeli genocide regime, and the Eurocracy lapdog say so.
NammeV | 17 hours ago
They're all one - colonial regimes
BarryMcKockinner | a day ago
So, their new supreme leader was notified that he got the gig from Iran's state TV news, and now the same news channel is claiming that he made this statement above. Some sources claim he's in a coma. What we do know is that he hasn't made any statements in person, nor has he shown his face since being named supreme leader. Who is actually calling the shots for Iran right now?
Admirable_Scene_5066 | a day ago
No idea if the man is alive, wounded, in a coma or whatever else he may be, but the TV notified thing isn't unusual, it is spin.
It is basically 'I didn't seek it, it was not my ambition, but now that my country has called on me I will take up my duty for the motherland'
YouShallNotPass92 | a day ago
That's the fun part, we don't know! Could be him, could be someone else. All I know is that this war has accomplished jack shit aside from killing the old man. There is no way we are overthrowing their government without throwing tons of boots on the ground which will just be another endless war with billions of dollars and thousands of lives wasted.
Living_Toe5741 | 17 hours ago
At this stage the status of this particular individual just doesn't matter anymore. He becomes the symbol of resistance and the voice for IRGC to continue this war
ChaLenCe | 17 hours ago
"We must maintain our autonomy to sell oil at sub-market rates to countries who are propped up by our failed economy in order to continue our systemic oppression of the Persian people and the suppression of their free expression, particularly their women. This will enable our partnership with Russia to continue its illegal invasion of Ukraine and for our bots to farm Reddit for internet points"